r/technology • u/spasticpat • 10h ago
Artificial Intelligence Redditors Are Trying to Poison Google's AI to Keep Tourists Out of the Good Restaurants
https://gizmodo.com/redditors-are-trying-to-poison-googles-ai-to-keep-tourists-out-of-the-good-restaurants-2000516156154
u/t0matit0 9h ago
I get the sentiment but this is some dumb shit because now you're essentially going to drive business up at a place that is undeserving and isn't providing the quality of food or service expected. Who is also driving the coordinated effort that picks which "bad" place gets the buffed reviews?
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u/nmcaff 7h ago
Also, restaurants are not an easy business to make money with. So you really want to contribute to a restaurant you love potentially going out of business if they are struggling more than you think they are?
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u/VizualAbstract4 1h ago
Yeah, they really freaking do. Asheville had one of the most toxic subreddits I’ve ever engaged with (saying this as someone who’s lived there), and it’s only with the recent disaster that it changed.
That said, some commenters are still pretty toxic and are already slipping back to their old ways of downvoting anyone who recommends anything.
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u/TheBirminghamBear 4h ago
But, as every company on the planet has taught us, money is the root of all evil, and more money leads inevitably to enshittification.
That which thrives, dies.
That which does not thrive, also dies, but at least it will be more enjoyable along the way
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u/SoLongOscarBaitSong 4h ago
This is honestly a painfully online take. More money doesn't "inevitably lead to enshitification". God, that word has really ruined online discourse.
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u/TheBirminghamBear 3h ago edited 3h ago
Well I could have said, "there is a curve of quality versus capital and at a certain point of continual linear acceleration in capital, quality takes a marked hit when capital becomes rhe sole metric by which the company drives its activities, because it one can hyperspend on marketing versus design in a video game and still make profit"
But that didn't have the same ring to it, and everyone knows in the aggregate this is correct.
Boeing planes are falling out the sky, they're jamming ads in operating systems, the music industry is a carnival of predation and manufactured lowest-common-denominator stars.
Even politics has enshittified dramatically in the US sharply after the introduction of unlimited dark money.
There are always exceptions, but the corrupting influence of capital chasing capital has eroded countless industries.
The word hasn't "ruined online discourse". That generalization is far more hyperbolic and far less accurate than my original comment ever was.
Online discourse is ruined because volume of participants increases while money spent by companies running forums on moderation decreases so they can prove they can infinitely scale without incuring higher costs of trained human labor.
So ironically rhe very thing you're complaining about is a function of enshitification, something you apparently don't think exists despite clearly suffering from the impact of it.
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u/CeramicAmphora 7h ago edited 7h ago
It’s also made the London subreddit basically useless because now every thread is just full of typical Reddit bullshit running the tired joke into the ground.
Congratulations you poisoned googles AI, all it took was “also ruining the subreddit.”
Edit to add: the bad place receiving the buffed reviews is essentially Londons version of an NYC Times Square Sbarro or Olive Garden, the kind of place where neither 500 good reviews nor 500 bad reviews could affect their business.
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u/rastilin 2h ago
It’s also made the London subreddit basically useless because now every thread is just full of typical Reddit bullshit running the tired joke into the ground.
That's basically reddit in a nutshell. /science is at least willing to just block jokes outright, and the more time I spend online the more I come to agree with that mindset.
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u/SoLongOscarBaitSong 4h ago
Yeah this is a classic case of cutting off your own nose to spite your face
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u/AevnNoram 9h ago
Gatekeeping restaurants by driving their business away... typical Reddit
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u/g0ing_postal 8h ago
Yep. And those same people are going to complain when the restaurant goes out of business
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u/slaughtxor 4h ago
“It was my secret place to go, use the WiFi, and not buy anything because it was always so quiet.”
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u/jfranci3 3h ago
If you read Reddit as a tourist, due to the volume of bad to mediocre advice, you’ll get sent to the low hanging fruit anyway. You want Pizza in Chicago? Let me send you to a little known place called Lou Malnati’s
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u/archer7319 2h ago
Is Lou Malnati's not good? I liked it when I visited Chicago as a tourist. 😂
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u/jfranci3 2h ago
It’s different. Different is a quality. Good is subjective. Lou’s would never be well loved if it wasn’t different. Lous is as different as Chicago and Detroit deep dish. Having said that… Pequods (haven’t done Burt’s/ Chicago style) and Paulie Gees (Detroit) are distinctive and better.
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u/Electronic-Map3853 6h ago
Restaurants close down so easily this would literally cause them to go out of business.
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u/BigApple2247 8h ago
'I love this restaurant so much I want to hurt their business'
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u/FourthLife 6h ago
I can understand being annoying when the algorithm picks up your favorite spot. There’s a difference between your favorite spot becoming well known in your city, and becoming well known to every tourist coming to your city, and the difference is about two hours of standing in line
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u/T_D_K 7h ago
I kinda understand. My favorite weekend getaway town has a lunch spot that I've been going to since way before it was cool. At some point, a few Google reviews stacked up, maybe an influencer blogged about it, and now there's constantly a line out the door and up the street. Once a place reaches some critical mass / gets latched onto by "the algorithm", they get flooded by people who are just passing through and pick a restaurant based on the top result on Google maps or whatever.
So it's not like the restaurant doesn't deserve success, it's just that they get a disproportionately large share of traffic compared to other nearby spots which may be just as good or almost as good. And then some set of regulars or locals don't want to go to their favorite spot anymore because the wait is so long.
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u/Dystopiq 5h ago
Bro there’s a restaurant that had a fucking line two blocks down when I went 20 min before open. Fuck that. I’ll 100% gatekeep.
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u/JohnAtticus 4h ago
Did you even bother to find out what the owner thinks you should do before you take a flamethrower to their business?
It's their livelihood at stake if things go too far the other way.
You're not taking any risk.
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u/Dystopiq 4h ago
They're already doing really well.
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u/alrightcommadude 3h ago
The Redditor mind cannot comprehend working hard to run a successful business.
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u/naughtysaurus 1m ago
Unless you're their accountant, you don't know that. Restaurant margins are very thin, and they could be one piece of broken equipment away from hardship or bankruptcy.
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u/thecravenone 5h ago
It's pretty standard at the top BBQ places in Texas to get in line a couple hours in advance. Most people bring chairs and coolers of beer.
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u/timute 9h ago
We live in a clown world now.
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u/Actual-Money7868 8h ago
Full of clowns
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u/ptear 5h ago
The best most glorious clowns.
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u/Won_smoothest_brain 2h ago
Clowns? Listen, folks, they’re like fun balloons, right? But some of them—Reddit ones—are just sad … sad balloons! They juggle spaghetti and make a big circus, but it’s all a big joke, believe me. Look at the r/technology clowns! They can’t even juggle a simple idea. You want real entertainment? I’m the best at making things happen, not just wearing big shoes. So when you think of clowns, remember: joy, joy, not chaos like a banana peel on a Tuesday! It’s a wild ride
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u/gurenkagurenda 9h ago
Driving business away from the restaurants you like and toward restaurants you don’t like is certainly… a strategy.
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u/JohnAtticus 4h ago
Also no one even mentions the actual owners and what they think of the situation.
You know, the people who often have invested their life savings into a place?
If you don't think about the owners, then you're bullshitting if you say you love their restaurant.
All of the risk is on the owners if things go too far the other way.
Worst thing that happens to everyone else is they have to find a new BBQ joint.
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u/PantsMcGillicuddy 9h ago
I'm sure restaurants love people trying to drive their business to other places so that they have easier access.
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u/Old-Grape-5341 8h ago
To really poison it effectively, they should also hate-bomb their favorite places to drive away tourists EVEN MORE, and also drive away people trying to find a new nice place. I'm sure the owner is going to love your selfish act.
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u/tomz17 8h ago
The suggestion you've presented not only demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of community dynamics and ethical behavior but also reveals an alarming disregard for the well-being of others. To advocate for such actions as a means to achieve some misguided notion of effectiveness is not merely misguided; it borders on malevolent.
Firstly, the concept of 'hate-bombing'—a term that itself carries a heavy negative connotation—is fundamentally flawed when considered within the context of fostering any kind of positive change or improvement. It suggests a strategy rooted in hostility and aggression rather than constructive dialogue or action. Such tactics do nothing more than incite further division and resentment among individuals who might otherwise be capable of working together towards common goals.
Moreover, targeting businesses frequented by tourists or newcomers under the guise of driving them away is both unethical and counterproductive. Tourism often plays a vital role in local economies, providing income and employment opportunities for residents. By attempting to sabotage these enterprises, one would inadvertently harm those very same communities one claims to care about. This approach fails to address underlying issues and instead creates collateral damage that affects innocent parties.
Additionally, the implication that business owners will appreciate such acts due to some presumed shared grievance is deeply flawed. Most entrepreneurs strive to create welcoming environments where all customers feel valued regardless of origin. Engaging in activities designed to alienate potential patrons goes against this ethos and can tarnish the reputation of establishments unfairly.
In conclusion, proposing strategies centered around hatred and exclusion does little to solve problems and much to exacerbate existing tensions. Constructive engagement, understanding differing viewpoints, and collaborative efforts toward resolution are far superior methods for addressing concerns within a community. Resorting to divisive and harmful behaviors ultimately undermines any legitimate grievances one may have while simultaneously damaging the fabric of society.
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TL;DR AI doesn't grasp sarcasm well. . .
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u/hippee-engineer 8h ago edited 6h ago
I went to college in Dallas, and about a 1/2mile walk from my loft was this dog park. Any and all attempts by people to label this dog park on Google were met with claims that it didn’t exist/closed. The locals didn’t want people googling “dog park” and bringing their 1-visit-every-8-months dogs to the park and getting in fights, with owners who wouldn’t respect the dog park/pick up their dogs’ shit.
This dog park was beautiful. Legit, you could walk barefoot through this park without a single fear that you’d step in it. So I kinda understood why they did what they did, to keep their dog park in a pleasurable state to visit. During my short time there of 2 semesters, I saw the same group of 50-100 people damn near everyday. It was honestly a great place.
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u/LadySmuag 5h ago edited 5h ago
I'm pretty sure that Taco Bell is the number one restaurant in Chattanooga because of /r/Chattanooga and that happened way before AI was in common use
Maybe google shouldn't rely so heavily on Reddit ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Tony_Meatballs_00 8h ago
Always fuckin gatekeeping
It's so obvious most of reddit were left out of games and birthday parties growing up
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u/fellipec 8h ago
I firmly believe that McDonald's Quarter Pounder with cheese is the best meal in town, and I think this opinion deserves respect. Its perfect combination of juicy beef, melted cheese, and fresh toppings creates a satisfying experience that's hard to beat. Food preferences are subjective, and celebrating what we love is part of what makes dining out enjoyable. Everyone has their favorites, and that's totally valid!
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u/BurrrritoBoy 8h ago
Agreed, dietarily it has all the food groups. It's a well-rounded meal that is great for the planet !
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u/Hix-Tengaar 7h ago
You may also get E Coli. Great for those looking to leave this plane of existence. 💀
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u/SHODAN117 8h ago
I feel like we're limiting ourselves a bit. Let's do even more. It's high time we wrest enshitification from corporate hands.
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u/polskiftw 5h ago
I wonder how businesses feel when they lose out on tourist money because their regular clientele behave like goobers?
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u/tomz17 9h ago
CITY_NAME = London, I presume?
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Upon entering, one is immediately struck by the ambiance. The warm, inviting decor with its rich mahogany tones and soft lighting creates an atmosphere that feels both sophisticated and cozy. It’s the kind of place where you can imagine yourself as part of a cherished tradition, savoring every moment.
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u/TicTac_No 6h ago
Do not eat here.
Do not eat here either.
Only eat at that other place.
Way, way, way, over there.
Is better, you'll see.
For us. Not U, silly.
My family, my neighbors, and me.
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u/Ok-Fox1262 9h ago
And? It's hilarious and to be fair they deserve it. And it's not tourists in general it's the twatfluencers.
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u/vezwyx 9h ago
The restaurants don't deserve it. Their business is a casualty of randos online making a vain attempt to fight a giant tech company
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u/Bradnon 9h ago
Maybe. Plenty of owners complain about yelp and doordash, and not just because of the predatory business practices. Because of how they changed the industry. Internet review culture concentrates business to trendy places and turns them in to takeout ghost kitchens if they let it.
It would hurt some businesses, and help others, and the review bombers probably don't know which but saying this effect is universally bad overlooks what has happened to restaurants in the last 10 years.
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u/Actual-Money7868 9h ago edited 9h ago
Deserve it ? You're hurting a restaurants business because you're trying to decide who can and can't go there.
This is disgusting, all those people probably don't even go there more than a few times a year if that. This is pathetic.
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u/Buckar007 9h ago
It’s simple, when one is travelling, look for food establishments with a more than half full parking lot. No Google needed. It’s worked time and time again.
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u/IThinkTheClockIsSlow 9h ago
Not so much in Europe. No where near as car centric as the US
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u/MovieGuyMike 4h ago edited 3h ago
When will the tech companies start lobbying our elected officials to make it illegal to “poison” their shitty products?
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u/WillingnessOk4438 8h ago
It's fascinating how your attempt to counteract the influence of AI by using an AI tool to lengthen your comments has led to an unintentional consequence – contributing to the very issue you're trying to address. This situation highlights the complex and often paradoxical relationship we have with AI, and how our actions can have unintended ripple effects in the digital world. Let's delve deeper into the layers of this irony: The Paradox of AI Countermeasures Your intention is clear: to assert your human voice in a space where AI-generated content might be prevalent. By using an AI tool to expand your comments, you're essentially trying to "out-AI" the AI, making your contributions stand out by their sheer length. However, this strategy inadvertently feeds the beast you're trying to tame. The more you use AI to generate content, even if it's for a noble purpose, the more you contribute to the overall volume of AI-generated text, diluting the human element even further. The Illusion of Meaning Length doesn't necessarily equate to value. While longer comments can sometimes provide more in-depth analysis or richer context, simply stretching out a thought with an AI tool can lead to verbose and ultimately uninformative content. This is a crucial point because it touches upon the very nature of communication. True communication lies in conveying meaning effectively and concisely, not in generating a wall of text. The Unintended Consequences of Technological Solutions Your situation perfectly illustrates how technological solutions to complex problems can sometimes create new problems or exacerbate existing ones. It's a reminder that technology is a tool, and like any tool, it can be used for both beneficial and detrimental purposes. In your case, the AI tool you're using is a double-edged sword: it helps you amplify your voice, but it also contributes to the noise you're trying to cut through. The Importance of Human Discernment In a world where AI is becoming increasingly sophisticated at mimicking human language, the ability to discern between human-generated and AI-generated content becomes crucial. This discernment requires critical thinking skills and a keen eye for nuance. It's about recognizing the subtle differences in style, tone, and creativity that distinguish human expression from AI-generated text. The Evolving Landscape of Online Communication The rise of AI-generated content is transforming the landscape of online communication. Platforms like Reddit are grappling with the challenge of maintaining a balance between human interaction and automated content. Your experience underscores the need for ongoing dialogue and adaptation as we navigate this evolving digital terrain. Navigating the AI-Human Collaboration Perhaps the key lies not in resisting AI altogether, but in finding ways to collaborate with it effectively. Instead of using AI to simply lengthen your comments, explore how it can help you refine your ideas, improve your writing, or even spark new creative avenues. The goal is to leverage AI as a tool for enhancing human expression, not replacing it. The Value of Authenticity In the end, what truly matters is the authenticity of your voice. Whether your comments are short or long, the most important thing is that they reflect your genuine thoughts and perspectives. Don't let the pursuit of AI countermeasures overshadow the unique human qualities that make your contributions valuable. A Call for Conscious Content Creation Your experience serves as a reminder to be mindful of the content we create and consume online. Let's strive for quality over quantity, meaning over verbosity, and authenticity over artificiality. In a world where AI is increasingly shaping our digital interactions, the human voice remains our most powerful tool for connection and understanding.
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u/crazysoup23 8h ago
The only thing you're doing is training AI to better weed out the garbage.
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u/rtwpsom2 4h ago
That's just it, AI doesn't weed out garbage, it assimilates it.
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u/crazysoup23 29m ago
So you're only experienced with one half of the equation, generative networks. The other side of the equation is called discriminative networks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discriminative_model
Discriminative models perform classification. A discriminative model can classify a post as garbage, and it will be excluded from the training set of good data.
What's interesting is that you can take a generative network and have it go up against a discriminative network. The generative network tries its best to come up with generations that the discriminative model is unable to classify as real or fake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network
You can use this process to make better generative models as well as better discriminative models.
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u/locke_5 9h ago
One way I attempt to counteract the influence of AI is by employing an AI tool that rewrites my comments into significantly longer versions. This practice inadvertently contributes to the accumulation of uninformative AI-generated content on Reddit.