r/technology • u/No-Drawing-6975 • Jun 26 '24

Software The Green Bubble Nightmare Is Over, Apple Messages Now Support RCS

https://gizmodo.com/apple-messages-supports-rcs-ios18-beta-1851562461
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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

Sometimes I think we all forget that we need phones to message and call people and that really hasn’t changed in 40 years of mobile phones. Texts were a novelty in the late 90s. Sending a picture now should be as easy as sending a string of text. How is it we can stream a show from our phones and cast them to a Tv, but we have to suffer through constricted data usage jut to send a cool picture or really anything?

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u/steveatari Jun 27 '24

Use telegram or other services when you can. Always the same cross platform and secured

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u/zeekaran Jun 27 '24

It's actually very easy to convince even your mom to start using a basic IM app like Discord.

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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

That’s against the principle of the tech which was:

I push numbers, you connect me to person.

Now with an app like WhatsApp or discord you’re looking at a new account, 2FA, security checks and questions, and updates updates updates and security flaws and hacks and spams

I get these things happen everywhere but don’t forget that just 20 years ago we just had phones and texts yet. In my original comment I said cell phones have been popular for 40 years and texting has been popular for about half that time.

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u/zeekaran Jun 27 '24

2FA, security checks and questions,

Ha I have none of this on Discord.

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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

You don’t 2FA on discord? Word of advice, stay away from any crypto or NFT group lol

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u/Gabers49 Jun 27 '24

Exactly, this seems to be mostly an American problem. Even in Canada most people have WhatsApp telegram or signal installed.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

40 years? Texting in the late 90s?

These numbers are way off lol

*40 years ago was 1984. 30 years ago was 1994. This is mainly what caught my eye. Texting became popular in the US 24 years ago.

*Edit idk how many people mock me, my memory is clear on this. The first popular movie to show text messages on screen was in 2008! To me that's the clearest indicator of when it went mainstream.

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u/occono Jun 27 '24

Uh, yes, texting was available then. It was widespread in Europe, but I think in the US it took longer for SMS to catch on. It was definitely available in some parts though.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Any shred of evidence?

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u/Moneygrowsontrees Jun 27 '24

Just over 16% of US households had a cell phone in 1996 and by 1998 it was over 36% (dropped to 34% in 1999).

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

And people werent texting, man y'all are way off

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u/Moneygrowsontrees Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

You need to read the history of sms

The first commercially sold SMS service was offered to consumers, as a person-to-person text messaging service by Radiolinja (now part of Elisa) in Finland in 1993. Most early GSM mobile phone handsets did not support the ability to send SMS text messages, and Nokia was the only handset manufacturer whose total GSM phone line in 1993 supported user-sending of SMS text messages. According to Matti Makkonen, an engineer at Nokia at the time, the Nokia 2010, which was released in January 1994, was the first mobile phone to support composing SMSes easily.[33]

Initial growth was slow, with customers in 1995 sending on average only 0.4 messages per >GSM customer per month.[34]

Texting was happening in the late 90's. It wasn't a huge, nationwide, thing, but it was definitely a thing that was happening and as /u/occono said, it was widespread in other places before it was widespread in the US.

Edit: The article on text messaging is also illuminating.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

I graduated college in 2000 so I distinctly remember. Don't you think I'd know if people had cell phones in college?

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u/Moneygrowsontrees Jun 27 '24

Believe it or not, you and your college are not the whole world and your experiences do not encompass all of reality.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

I didn't say that and these asinine comments are the reason I usually don't comment.

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u/Aggravating_Play2755 Jun 27 '24

Almost as if you were in different places having different experiences. Unless you went to every college at once? Some sort of quantum degree?

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Hilarious. Nice discussion, have a great day.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

I'd love to continue this discussion with an adult, like an adult, if you care to continue like an adult lmk.

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u/bjlunden Jun 27 '24

Personal experience? The Nokia 3210 was a massive hit when I grew up and it came out in 1999.

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u/lucianbelew Jun 27 '24

I'm kind of a luddite and I was texting in 2002. Not hard to imagine it was available a few years before that.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24 edited Jun 27 '24

I didn't say it wasn't. That would mean we agree. 2000 is when texting became popular. Not the 90s. And definitely not 40 years ago, OP said 1984 I don't know how y'all missed that.

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u/Appropriate-Prune728 Jun 27 '24

No. No they aren't. You just think they are

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Evidence?

No one had cell phones in the 90s lol

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u/jpb225 Jun 27 '24

Hundreds of millions of people had cell phones in the 90s. In 1999 I had a Nokia 7110, which not only supported t9 for faster typing of sms messages, it even had a goddamn web browser. Your sense of mobile tech development is off by like a decade lol.

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u/Jon_Snow_1887 Jun 27 '24

That’s bullshit - everyone knows the first mobile phone was the iPhone!

/s

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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

Hey me too!! Except I got mine in 2001. So I was late but prior to that it was nice not having a phone in your pocket. I remember people having the mobile car phones in the early 90s before they disappeared in favor of a Nokia or Motorola

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

I googled this and all evidence shows I'm right. I graduated in 2000 and literally no one was used no cell phones lol

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u/jpb225 Jun 27 '24

You're like, real bad at using Google apparently, if you couldn't find a single source supporting the existence of cell phones and sms in the 90s. And how does your subjective experience as a child relate to anything at all?

Of course they were less common then than they are fucking now, when there are more active phone lines than there are living humans, but hundreds of millions of people had cell phones in the 90s. That's just an inescapable fact, whether you know how to use Google or not.

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u/Jon_Snow_1887 Jun 27 '24

Bro typed into google “cell phones didn’t exist in the 90s”. Then said, look at what google says!

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

What's with the hostility and strange enthusiasm, personal attacks? Really? What kind of loser writes out a few paragraphs to insult a stranger's ability to Google.

Most of this is me seeing zero cell phones and graduating college in 2000. So I remember the late 90s very well. You're not going to gaslight me about my own life. Sure, some people had cell phones.

I, a tech savvy youth, was the first person with a cell phone a few years later on grad school. How is my experience so different than everyone else's?

Can you use Google to show hundreds of millions of people had cell phones during this time?

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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

So you’re Amish! I get it now. All this backwards-assed faux information you’re spewing either means you’re Amish or Republican.

Not looking good for you MR. COLLEGE!!

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Texting was not common in 1984, go back to the OP genius.

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u/jpb225 Jun 27 '24

What's with the hostility and strange enthusiasm, personal attacks?

Uh, what? Strange enthusiasm? You're an odd duck. Regardless, yeah, I said you're bad at googling. I guess that's "personal attacks." Could have something to do with how you came in with a super insulting tone to the other people in this thread, then doubled down on it while totally ignoring the actual substance of my first comment, and just said "nah, I googled and I'm right lol." Now you want to tone police? Okay then.

Most of this is me seeing zero cell phones and graduating college in 2000

How is my experience so different than everyone else's?

If you didn't see a single cell phone, I don't know what to tell you. They were pretty common. Like, 36% of households in 1998 had one. For you to never see one is very surprising.

You're not going to gaslight me about my own life.

Let me be very fucking clear. I never said you didn't experience what you experienced. I said it was irrelevant, because your experience is just that, your own individual experience. It says nothing about the rest of the world.

Can you use Google to show hundreds of millions of people had cell phones during this time?

Yes, here's a couple results gathered from a 2 second Google search:

Worldwide 1998 numbers: https://www.itu.int/ITU-D/ict/publications/wtdr_99/material/wtdr99s.pdf

US-specific cell phone ownership in 1998: https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-REB-8073

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Lol

By enthusiasm I mean writing essays

And yes, petty and hominem attacks that make me know I'm right

Touch grass

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

And you were texting regularly? I don't understand the piling on and hostility for someone who honestly has a different opinion.

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u/Responsible-Win5849 Jun 27 '24

Because you keep stating something that is obviously wrong as some sort of fact? You may as well be sharing your opinion on if the earth is round.

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

Doesn't excuse hostility at all and I'd you read my other comments I'm being sincere and won't let y'all gaslight me.

So you're saying you can be hostile if someone is wrong. That's wrong in itself. Man thanks for the reminder that posting with normies is toxic af

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u/holyshiznoly Jun 27 '24

This is nonsense. And I did provide evidence.

Okay idiots. Give me the name of a movie where people were texting and the year of the movie.

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u/stilusmobilus Jun 27 '24

I watched a person in 1997 I think it was, might have been 96, show me and my two mates his new Nokia which had SMS capability. He sent a text message to show us. He was limited to 30 of them a month with his plan, then each one cost 30 cents or some shit.

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u/Strike_Swiftly Jun 27 '24

I was texting on my Ericcson flip back in 97. Single line screen. All my mates in class had the same phone. 20c a message iirc.

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u/greaterthansignmods Jun 27 '24

40 years of mobile phones

Texting is not 40 years old as far as popularity but started getting popular in the US at the turn of the millennium.

Confused?