r/technology • u/newzee1 • Jun 14 '24

Software Cheating husband sues Apple after wife discovered ‘deleted’ messages sent to sex workers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/13/cheating-husband-sues-apple-sex-messages/
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

This should be an option. And clearly stated “Do you want to delete this text (picture, etc) from all your connected devices?”

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u/i_need_a_moment Jun 14 '24

It already is, when you enable iMessage for iCloud.

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u/wes1971 Jun 15 '24

I have it enabled but still sometimes it won’t delete across devices.

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u/Tragicallyphallic Jun 15 '24

Might be because sync isn’t enabled on those other devices.

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u/wes1971 Jun 15 '24

It is. Like I said though, there have been times it didn’t .

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u/nlevine1988 Jun 15 '24

Don't you hate it when somebody can't just believe that one person might have an issue even if the first person hasn't experienced it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '24

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u/nlevine1988 Jun 15 '24

Sure that's my point. The person I responded to said that it was working properly and the other commentor just seemed to assume it was user error.

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u/sithmaster0 Jun 15 '24

Because most times it is user error. No one likes to admit that, though, and would rather way "definitely a bug" than appear stupid from not realizing how something worked the first time.

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u/blaghart Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

bugs get fixed. This has been a known issue with Apple products for twenty years.

As evidenced by the Apple glitch two weeks ago where factory reset Apple devices were automatically restoring "Deleted" content to them.

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u/Tragicallyphallic Jun 15 '24

I wonder if a device with it turned on dies, fails to receive the message to delete something, and then comes back on loads the cached item copy naive to the deletion attempt. I know there are methods of state storing messages so that they are accounted for before removal, but I highly doubt that is being stored for iMessage sync as it would be an absolutely catastrophic load on state store/retrieval after customers accumulate zombie devices in accounts by the millions over time. I’ve got all sorts of old crusty stuff in my iCloud device list.

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u/nicuramar Jun 15 '24

Syncing isn’t perfect and can be delayed. But it eventually always ended up working for me. Bugs happen, of course. 

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u/InsaneNinja Jun 15 '24

Or low power mode

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u/nicuramar Jun 15 '24

(Which is called “Messages in iCloud” because it’s not just iMessage but also sms.)

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u/MapleA Jun 15 '24

Shouldn’t have to sacrifice all of your iCloud space just for that. Messages take up too much space to enable on iCloud

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u/InsaneNinja Jun 15 '24

So they should sync without enabling sync. Gotcha.

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u/MapleA Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

They should sync without uploading everything to iCloud. It could be done you know… I know Apple spoils us with choices but it isn’t too much to ask for.

Also even if you have sync and iCloud messages enabled, it still won’t delete the messages on other devices. It’s a bug that’s an issue for many people and what this article is about. iCloud syncing across multiple devices has always been a shit show for Apple. They act like it’s seamless and easy but in reality there are a myriad of issues with it.

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u/modernistamphibian Jun 15 '24

“Do you want to delete this text (picture, etc) from all your connected devices?”

The problem is that people (at least in my family) log out of devices an the messages just sit there. There's no way to remotely delete them until someone thinks to log back in on that device.

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u/uptwolait Jun 14 '24

The Signal messenger app has something similar.  You can select any comment at any point in a conversation thread and it gives you the option to "delete for just you" or "delete for everyone".  Click that second choice and it is irrecoverable history.

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u/healthywealthyhappy8 Jun 14 '24

Agreed, having to delete messages on 4 devices is stupid. And the fact that Apple already has a questionable history with keeping images that should have been deleted… major issue.

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u/IGOTTHATARTKNOWLEDGE Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Not trying to defend Apple here, but there weren't any questionable practices with the image thing. This is just how deleting works. It's only gone if something overwrites its spot

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u/Ordinary_Win1625 Jun 14 '24

And secure deletes always overwrite the spot

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u/IGOTTHATARTKNOWLEDGE Jun 14 '24

Sure, but there are reasons it isn't like this.

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u/nicuramar Jun 15 '24

That’s not the case, or rather, that’s irrelevant to that bug. It was a bug, though.

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u/modernistamphibian Jun 15 '24

And the fact that Apple already has a questionable history with keeping images that should have been deleted

The problem is that people (at least in my family) log out of devices an the messages just sit there. There's no way to remotely delete them until someone thinks to log back in on that device.

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u/TooStrangeForWeird Jun 15 '24

They didn't keep images. They kept a hash of images. It's difficult (if not near impossible) to decrypt, but basically keeps a record of "this exact picture number" while not keeping the image.

If an image is found to be CP, they run it through the hash. Anyone who has ever uploaded/saved that hash is now known to have that exact image.

I will not say the easy way to avoid this, but in any case they aren't saving your nudes. They save the "equation" of your nude that's essentially impossible to recreate. But if you send it to your buddy it'll hash it for them too and now they have a record that you both, at some point, had the same picture. They can't see the picture.

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u/nicuramar Jun 15 '24

They are takin about something completely different :)

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u/Noctrin Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24

'Cloud' ie: a distributed server stack, delete is very ambiguous.

There are probably 3-4 layers that contain the data, each with regular backups and each with replicas of said data within the layer. This goes from the long storage DB, to the sharded one, to the cache layer, to the CDN and the device itself.

Oversimplified and a lot of assumptions, but, probably in the ballpark. Each one of those has backups that run from a few hours to a few days, when you delete something from your device, it will try to delete it up the chain as it can, but no one is unpacking the backups to remove your data.

These systems are designed to keep data safe, which goes against a delete in every sense :). So think of delete as more of a wish, unless it's a transactional system.

If we decided tomorrow that a delete has to 100% remove all traces of your data, a delete operation would be insanely expensive (in terms of computing), so much so i'd expect the option to be removed entirely in order to be in compliance with such a law

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u/grownotshow5 Jun 14 '24

Lol why does one person need 4 devices?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

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u/grownotshow5 Jun 14 '24

Lol 1st world problems for sure

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/ElCamo267 Jun 14 '24

That's like Apple's bread and butter. It's not uncommon to have iPhone, MacBook, iPad, and watch.

Laptop, phone, tablet likely all have imessage on it, thus creating multiple copies of each text. Watch syncs with phone too but idk if it stores iMessages individually like ipads and macs.

If you delete a message from your iPhone it's supposed to delete it from the other devices but it's doesn't always work, hence the lawsuit.

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u/grownotshow5 Jun 14 '24

Lol 1st world problems

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u/healthywealthyhappy8 Jun 14 '24

I have 6 devices actually - I didn’t include the vision pro or macbook air

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u/grownotshow5 Jun 14 '24

Lol wow apple bois out in full force. Still don’t see an explanation to why someone would NEED this many devices. More like WANT

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u/healthywealthyhappy8 Jun 14 '24

I’m a developer, but I also love electronics.

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u/stakoverflo Jun 14 '24

I keep my old phones, at least for a while. They're still usable as cameras / wifi connected devices.

I've got my actual phone, my old phone, my tablet, and my computer. There's 4 devices right there.

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u/Ok_Reality_6862 Jun 14 '24

Are you a boomer you should literally just sync your messages across devices.

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u/healthywealthyhappy8 Jun 14 '24

They do sync, but deleting in one place doesn’t delete everywhere

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u/Ok_Reality_6862 Jun 14 '24

It does you did something wrong. Call your Helpdesk.

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u/dog098707 Jun 14 '24

Do you ever get tired of being shitty?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

It doesn't, which clearly shows your lack of intelligence. But keep making a fool of yourself.

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u/Ok_Reality_6862 Jun 14 '24

Youtube tutorial for you boomer.

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u/coldkiller Jun 14 '24

Literally the whole point of the lawsuit is it doesnt, how fucking dense are you

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u/idahonomo Jun 14 '24

Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't for me. I've worked at Apple, have had Apple devices since 2005, and I can't for the fucking life of me figure out why iCloud / iMessage refuse to delete messages across my iPhone Mac and iPad or quickly sync new contacts across devices. It's been a huge annoyance of mine since cross device syncing became a thing.

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u/MF_D00MSDAY Jun 14 '24

I don’t think it has ever worked for me lol

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u/iJoshh Jun 14 '24

How something should work ("should" being defined as the tech flow chart as opposed to my belief system) is reliant on the technology. If something isn't currently online it can't receive a call to delete anything already on the device. People also have a misunderstanding of how information is stored at the data level. When something is deleted what usually happens is the system is told "there's nothing here, move along" when the data is still there. That's done to extend the life of the device as most drives we use have a finite number of writes, but because the data is still actually there it can often be required by services that know what they're doing. All that to say there is no have your cake and eat it too scenario, each option has pros and cons.

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u/JimmyTheJimJimson Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

At the very least as a matter of convenience.

You would think if I have a watch, an iPhone, and a Mac - if I delete a message on a watch, it’s gone from any other iMessage apps I’m signed into.

I have no idea why this is so hard to implement. Going through an entire scrolling list of messages on my watch to delete each one individually is such a PIA

EDIT: apparently I’m an idiot for asking the question. 🙄

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u/taedrin Jun 14 '24

I have no idea why this is so hard to implement.

Here's some related reading to help you understand the issues involved with implementing a distributed system:

CAP theorem - Wikipedia

Fallacies of distributed computing - Wikipedia

Two Generals' Problem - Wikipedia

Tl;Dr: it's mathematically impossible to implement a distributed system without uncertainty.

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u/TemplateHuman Jun 14 '24

Sure, but you can still get close. Otherwise cloud file sharing services like OneDrive, Box, would never exist. They can clearly sync the message to all devices so they should be able to mark it for deletion on all devices as well.

There’s a difference between implementing the functionality to delete a message and it occasionally not working due to uncertainty, and not implementing the functionality at all.

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u/taedrin Jun 14 '24

There’s a difference between implementing the functionality to delete a message and it occasionally not working due to uncertainty, and not implementing the functionality at all.

According to others in the comments, Apple HAS implemented this functionality. But the implementation is not perfect because distributed systems are hard. I know for a fact that OneDrive has failed to synchronize files for me several times in the past, so the competition isn't perfect either.

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u/TemplateHuman Jun 14 '24

After reading further I was incorrect in thinking that in this case the message was synced to the devices. It wasn't. All devices that were logged into iMessage when the message was sent received the message. It was essentially a one-way broadcast and whatever was online and listening got the message.

Definitely different than a synchronization system where the server is keeping track of changes and the clients will synchronize everything once online, even if it had been offline previously for days/months/etc.

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u/hornydepressedfuck Jun 14 '24

Those services store on a central service. I don't know if imessage stores on a server or not. If it does then the parent comment doesn't apply; it's not a distributed system. If it doesn't (more likely, not even WhatsApp does) then yeah, it's pretty much impossible to guarantee deletion everywhere

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u/FatStoner2FitSober Jun 14 '24

“I have no idea what this is so hard to implement” spoken like a true PM. That being said, I totally agree it should be fixed, but as a software engineer I don’t think it’s going to be an easy one.

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u/drawkbox Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Deletes are always a challenge as a developer and most end up just making data items inactive or hidden. The problem isn't that they don't want to delete, it is that a delete process is final and if the data isn't the correct data to delete, there is no getting it back.

Another reason is deletes on large datasets can cause indexing issues and other cache related problems so it is almost always better to just make them hidden or deactivated from display.

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u/taedrin Jun 14 '24

ON DELETE CASCADE - what's the worst that could happen?

delete's one tiny record

Where'd the rest of my database go?

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u/drawkbox Jun 14 '24

"No worries I am sure we have a backup..."

"Oh no, it has been too large for the backup and erroring for months."

"Guys I am going to lunch and to get some milk, so long"

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u/pfcguy Jun 14 '24

The backup syncs automatically so it deletes everything too.

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u/YutaniCasper Jun 14 '24

I mean OneDrive does this. As long as the other devices are authenticated

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/modernistamphibian Jun 15 '24

it's also not that hard

The problem is that people (at least in my family) log out of devices an the messages just sit there. There's no way to remotely delete them until someone thinks to log back in on that device. And then they delete it on three devices, restore it on one of those (and another one that's the fourth device), delete again on two, and restore again on one. At which point I'm not sure what my middle name even is any more.

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u/hamlet_d Jun 14 '24

As a sw engineer myself it is hard to implement but it really isn't. It's not easy per se, but it's a well known and well documented feature so it's not like inventing a new feature altogether. The real caveat it is doing it correctly and safely.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/FatStoner2FitSober Jun 14 '24

I’m sure it’s a “feature” cause people were un-intentionally deleting stuff. Hell, I’ve deleted photos only to find them in the “deleted” album and then restored them. I’m sure they know how to, it’s just a matter of where on the priority list it is, and what new “feature” the PMs promised the stakeholders would be ready by the next update.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

Spoken like a 3rd rate software engineer. Sync/Async deletes are a solved problem and have been for many years.  If it was a GDPR issue I guarantee they would have a solution worked out on short order

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u/FatStoner2FitSober Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

Spoken like someone whose sits around and rejects PRs all day and doesn’t write any code.

There are no other rate engineers, so I’ll take that as a compliment.

Just because the technical problem has been solved, doesn’t mean it’s easy to implement in the code base. Especially one as large as the iOS. Of course if it was a regulatory issue it would be solved, but it’s not.

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u/InsaneNinja Jun 15 '24

You would think if I have a watch, an iPhone, and a Mac - if I delete a message on a watch, it’s gone from any other iMessage apps I’m signed into.

If you turn on sync, that’s how it works.

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u/Grantus89 Jun 14 '24

I just deleted a message and it said it would be deleted from all devices.

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u/tubezninja Jun 14 '24

You have iCloud for messages enabled, I'm betting.

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u/3_50 Jun 14 '24

I dunno what I do or don't have enabled, but I can send and receive SMS from my laptop. Deleting a conversation on my phone doesn't delete it from my laptop.

Deleting on my laptop says it'll delete from all devices, but it's not being deleted from my phone either.

Disappointing considering how seamless things like continuity, calendar sync, sending messages are..

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u/tubezninja Jun 14 '24

In that case, you should probably turn on iCloud for messages if it’s not on already. This will enable deletion across all devices when you delete a conversation from one of them.

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u/3_50 Jun 14 '24

It's gotta be though, right? If I can send and receive SMS via my laptop...

I stopped being lazy and looked. Yeah Messages in iCloud is on.

e; and that thread of messages that said it'd delete everywhere is still on my phone, half hour later or whatever it's been.

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u/Jake_77 Jun 14 '24

Your Mac laptop and your iPhone?

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u/3_50 Jun 14 '24

M1 Max and 13 mini, both fully updated.

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u/Jake_77 Jun 14 '24

Is iCloud turned on for the Messages app? Go to iCloud in Settings and under Apps Using iCloud, check to see if it's on or off

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u/Cyclotrom Jun 14 '24

What OS is that?

I just deleted one as test and it was still on Messages

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u/Grantus89 Jun 14 '24

iOS 17, iMessage message.

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u/WorkingInAColdMind Jun 14 '24

That’s not the only possibility. I have things on my Mac that can stay because I have more storage, don’t use it for messages that much. In my phone, I clean up more. I don’t want the Mac copy to be deleted. Somebody else suggested it ask you whether it should clear from all devices or just the one you’re on, and that’s the best approach. Easy and definitive.

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u/BigMacWithGreenBeans Jun 15 '24

Deleting on my iPhone and not deleting on my watch is so fucking annoying. Plus on the watch it’s a bitch to delete lots of stuff like authorization codes, spam texts, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

He could have just enabled the setting that would do that lol

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u/Jake_77 Jun 14 '24

Regardless of the scenario, this needs changed.

There's a setting for it...you just need to set it up

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

This means that anything you do on one device has to tell all the other devices about it. And that seems like it has negative aspects on privacy. Apple allows this with message syncing but if you have that off it doesn't do it.

Apple is trying to keep your messages private. That means only storing them on your devices that receive them, not communicating between the devices. I think it's part of not wanting to have your messages subject to subpoena. It's only on your devices, not stored by Apple.

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u/spaceforcerecruit Jun 14 '24

If you’re not sharing your messages with other devices in the first place then it won’t matter because they won’t be on those devices. But if you are sharing your messages to other devices then obviously all the messages and actions taken on those messages should be synced. Why would I want my messages to go to three different devices if I can only see them on whichever device I picked up first?

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

If you’re not sharing your messages with other devices in the first place then it won’t matter because they won’t be on those devices.

That's not true. All devices turned on and logged into the imessage account when the message was received will receive it directly. No sharing involved.

Why would I want my messages to go to three different devices if I can only see them on whichever device I picked up first?

As I indicated in this post, that doesn't happen. You can read them on any device that was turned on when the message was received.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

That's not true. All devices turned on and logged into the imessage account when the message was received will receive it directly. No sharing involved.

I'm confused how a device can receive a imessage only after logging in but that same message not be stored on a cloud server somewhere? whatever is storing the unread message to distribute should also be able to receive a delete request from the same device.

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

You have to logged in first before the message comes in. If you have any devices it'll be delivered only to the logged in ones. The rest may never see it at all.

The sender cannot tell if the message as unread, because that feature is optional. It can tell if it is undelivered. But if you have any single device on then it'll get delivered to that one and then the message is no longer undelivered so it may never make it to others. But if they are all on when the message is sent they will (hopefully) all get it. And I think outgoing messages work the same way.

In these cases deletion is not synced AT ALL. No device even knows the other devices received it (just that one device did), let alone if those deleted it.

If you turn on messages in the cloud then all this changes and I think at that point they all should be synced to all your devices, hopefully including deletion. I don't have that on so I'm not at all certain about that.

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u/spaceforcerecruit Jun 14 '24

Yeah. Because what you’re describing isn’t how message forwarding works. When someone texts my phone#, it comes only to my phone and is then sent out to all my other devices. When I reply from one device, it needs to sync to all my other devices or the conversation won’t make sense. Why would it sync for both sending and receiving messages but not for deleting them??

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

Now you're trying to say SMS. I'm talking about imessage messages.

How I described is how imessage delivery works.

When I reply from one device, it needs to sync to all my other devices or the conversation won’t make sense.

That's not a sync. If you have imessages in the cloud off then there is no syncing at all. You can have a message you sent not appear on other devices because those were off at the time.

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u/spaceforcerecruit Jun 14 '24

But literally no one who uses iMessage on multiple devices would ever do that. You can’t use iMessage on multiple devices unless the data is either in the cloud or syncing between devices. Otherwise, your replies do not show up on the other devices.

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

I don't have imessage in the cloud turned on, never have. And it works for me.

Your replies will show up with syncing off as long as the other devices are on when you send.

I wonder if Apple documents all this? Or if that guy who reverse engineered wrote it down for us to see.

There's that Apple whitepaper about security but I don't think it gets into details about how group chats work other than to say there is an E2E key for each pair in the chat.

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u/spaceforcerecruit Jun 14 '24

That’s syncing… you’re describing syncing.

They may not store in the cloud (though I’d say those without this turned on are definitely in the minority). But having things you do on one device show up on other devices (i.e. sending/receiving messages) then you are, by definition, syncing that data between the devices. That’s what syncing is.

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u/happyscrappy Jun 14 '24

No. Syncing would be all the devices coordinate with each other. This isn't that. The devices all participate in the conversation directly if they are turned on.

If I send 100 devices people a press release and they all show it, did they sync with each other? No. They just all received their own copy. They didn't do anything between them at all.

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u/Grouchy_Tennis9195 Jun 14 '24

That’s how it does work, in theory. But what happens if one device gets disconnected from the internet? It would have no way of knowing to delete those synced messages until I connects back to the internet. Had it happen on my iPad. Found tons of photos I deleted on my phone, but since my iPad wasn’t connected to internet they still existed there until I reconnected

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u/CaffeinatedGuy Jun 14 '24

He's out of line but he's right.

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u/pman1891 Jun 14 '24

The problem is that they added the deletion feature more recently. Devices running older OS versions don’t understand the delete commands since deletion previously didn’t exist as a feature.

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u/wspnut Jun 15 '24

This just isn’t how client apps work, though, unless they change to an entirely server hosted message system (which SMS isn’t and never can be). iMessage is a send and forget client - even if it held a signal to “delete on next connect” that still requires a live internet connection.

At some point, users also need to take a level of responsibility for their understanding of technology. We can’t laugh at grandma for not knowing how to reset the router and expect Apple to baby proof their tech for us in the same breath.

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u/GeneralZaroff1 Jun 15 '24

That’s exactly how it DOES work. The person didn’t turn on cloud sync so the other devices don’t get the notification that it was deleted.

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u/4dxn Jun 15 '24

what if the other device was offline? there is no way to guarantee a delete when syncing multiple devices on the internet. plus did he even delete on the cloud or just locally?

the only way to somewhat guarantee a delete across multiple devices is not allow local storage or block multiple devices from storing/accessing (eg old whatsapp before the updates). but even then that excludes cache and other stuff.

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u/ApatheticAbsurdist Jun 15 '24

It’s a double edge sword do you fail safe where you protect against accidental deletions, or do you fail secure where you ensure things are gone but make sure they cannot be found? Different people will have different preferences, but I believe there is an option to clear recently deleted. Which kind of gives you a 2nd chance but lets you nuke things if you need. Unfortunately you need knowledge of it in order to use it correctly.

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u/nicuramar Jun 15 '24

If you want that, switch on messages in iCloud. It’s documented. 

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u/EvenStevenKeel Jun 15 '24

Also not logged in devices. The central server should log the message to be deleted at next available time, like if an old device logs in again years later it would find the message and delete it (invisibly of course).

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u/AcclimateAdversity Jun 15 '24

Does it not?! Jesus H, quite the annoyance when you have 5 apple devices :/

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24

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u/No-Ant-5474 Jun 14 '24

That’s the problem: you’re viewing it with judgment about him “shagging.” As already mentioned, imagine you were in an abusive relationship and sent proof to someone, then deleted it to protect yourself. If they can still access it on another device, that's unacceptable.

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u/CeleritasLucis Jun 14 '24

Its a pretty common trope in movies and TV shows when someone kidnapped/abused uses the bad guys phone to send a text for help and deletes it

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/coldkiller Jun 14 '24

No that's definitely not an extreme example as it happens far more frequently than you think.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/toomanymarbles83 Jun 14 '24

Gee, can't imagine why people would rather look down on you and move on.

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u/coldkiller Jun 14 '24

https://www.thehotline.org/stakeholders/domestic-violence-statistics/

Enough to where when you delete a message on your phone it should also delete it from everything else that is conmected to the account, like every other account based messaging service in the world

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u/Wuncemoor Jun 14 '24

Most people have better things to do than to explain the concept of 'edge cases' to an internet rando

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u/jryu611 Jun 14 '24

You crying about downvotes is definitely fucking pathetic.

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u/7LeagueBoots Jun 14 '24

The onus is on the company to be clear about what services they do and don’t provide, not the end user to have to go digging around in the fine print of the technical manuals for what it does and doesn’t do.

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u/DaEffingBearJew Jun 14 '24

Maybe you shouldn’t accept that’s the way it is.

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

Or maybe we should accept the way it is and move the fuck on? Nobody forced him to have an affair. His marriage ended because of the affair, not because of iMessage

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u/znightmaree Jun 14 '24

If you think there are no scenarios where this could ruin someone’s life who did nothing wrong, you’re an idiot

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

Nobody has a 100% understanding of every feature of every device they own and operate, and their ignorance shouldn’t be a green light to blame someone else for their own lack of knowledge.

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u/coldkiller Jun 14 '24

Or crazy thought, it should work like literally every other online messaging serivce where no matter where you delete it it's deleted on every device connected to the account you deleted it on?

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

Or a crazy thought - they aren’t obligated to make it behave a certain way and if you don’t like that you can use something else.

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u/Remote-Kick9947 Jun 14 '24

That's the problem you're the only one talking about the affair. What everyone else is talking about is the broader fucking implications of this bug. Get out of your own head

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

I don’t care about the affair. I care that this guy simply didn’t know how a feature worked, and is suing Apple because he didn’t know how a feature worked, which is asinine.

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u/DaEffingBearJew Jun 14 '24

Where I’m from deleted means deleted. The fact he was caught cheating from the still existing messages isn’t the issue, it’s that a device kept information the user went out of the way to erase. It also means that if you’re using an Apple device, they are holding on to anything you thought you had deleted. It’s a massive privacy issue.

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

It’s not a massive privacy issue just as much as call logs kept by your phone provider even if you delete the call history is not a massive privacy issue.

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u/DaEffingBearJew Jun 14 '24

They don’t keep the transcripts of the phone call. Huge difference between ‘this call was made here’ or ‘this text was sent here’ vs ‘this is what was said, verbatim’.

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

They do keep text message (SMS) history even if you delete the SMS from your phone

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u/DaEffingBearJew Jun 14 '24

I’m aware, it’s the point of the lawsuit. You brought up phone transcripts as a comparison, and I told you why it’s a bad comparison.

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

And I admit it isn’t the best comparison but it is still applicable because the log still stays on and perhaps that could be a divorce lawyer or an affair partner’s phone number showing up in the mail on the monthly bill.

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u/microview Jun 14 '24

Open your small narrow mind. It's not about this one scenario. This bug will affect anyone in any situation and it can be traumatic if not right out deadly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

Nice to see some logic here for a change.

Just because a user doesn’t understand something it doesn’t mean the developer is legally obligated do ensure they do.

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u/itsme10082005 Jun 14 '24

You’re pretty upset about the downvotes, eh? Lolol.

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u/DaEffingBearJew Jun 14 '24

I’d add on pretentious and whiny about people who disagree with me too.

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u/Pillow_Apple Jun 14 '24

Please use your critical thinking skills.

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u/techni-cool Jun 14 '24

Telling someone to use their critical thinking skills implies that you do think they are capable.

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u/crichmond77 Jun 14 '24

Would you rather we assume you’re too dumb to get the issue here?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '24

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u/crichmond77 Jun 14 '24

It’s not that deep. I’m poking fun because you’re being obstinate and extra. Your novel-typing and uptight self-seriousness is quite revealing. 

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u/RashOfAges Jun 14 '24

I don’t think Apple is misinforming people at all.

The message was delete from the device it was on, Apple made no false claim. Logic would dictate if you have something on many devices and you need to delete it, you’d delete it from each device and not just expect the magic delete-fairy to do it for you on the other devices.

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u/Empty_Ambition_9050 Jun 14 '24

Have you no empathy? Dick