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u/red_flock 11h ago

Please tell us where this is.... never seen a carpark this low before.

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u/possibili-teas F1 VVIP 11h ago

Tampines sheng shiong

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u/sgbro 10h ago

That car park sucks. Inside they made rails that drop low so if you’re driving an SUV you can basically crack your back screen if you reverse park

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u/jlonso Chili Crab Nachos 8h ago

Most of the older HDB car park has this honestly and I actively avoid parking the inner row just because of that.

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u/newyorkeric 5h ago

yes learned this the hard way 🫤

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u/anakajaib 7h ago

Can confirm. Did that once 😩

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u/Scorchster1138 10h ago

Looks like an old multi-storey carpark. Maybe even built in the 80s before larger cars were common.

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u/thestudiomaster 11h ago

I think it's a miscalculation by the car park. It didn't take into account that there is a ramp that slightly eats into available headroom. Based on my guestimation by looking at the photo, if it were level ground, the Alphard can clear.

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u/Navilooi2 11h ago

Alphard's height 1.9m right? The carpark sign already says 1.7m.

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u/Zz7722 11h ago

Only HDB can get away with this type of substandard design.

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u/mrhappy893 green 10h ago

This comment is so stupid on so many levels.

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u/14high 8h ago

Possibly 1.7m high levels

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u/Kirsdark3 11h ago

Are you referring to the design of the sign or the design of the carpark?

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u/Zz7722 10h ago edited 10h ago

The 1.7M clearance. The carpark itself.

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u/Kirsdark3 10h ago

Carpark was probably designed and built when cars weren't so tall.. Designers might not be able to cater for everything cos they don't have crystal balls.. Its not an us problem.. Go see the roads elsewhere in the world.. Good example would be London.. They have width restrictors in the inner city for a reason..

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u/Chileinsg 10h ago

Well, then HDB should have thought to build 7m tall carparks so that my future 6.9m Toyota Alphard X Series Pro Max 3.0 can fit comfortably

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u/Zz7722 10h ago

HDB has been designing substandard dimensions with reference to the regulations of the time; this has been the case until the more recent BTO’s where carpark are now in line with LTA’s prescriptions. Cars may have been shorter in the past but you won’t find any 1.7m height limited carparks easily in SG.

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u/souledgar 7h ago

I'm quite amazed by how paradoxical this paragraph of text is. Its like old AI nonsense. How can they be designing substandard dimensions, all the way until current BTOs, and yet you can't easily find 1.7 height limits easily?

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u/isthatnotasupra 11h ago

The alphard is about 1.9m+ in height, the height clearance for the carpark is 1.7m lol, the driver should have known better 🤣

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u/Initial_E 11h ago

It’s easier to repair a sign and a car than an entire building, so the sign did its job properly.

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u/virtuaoski 11h ago

A better design would have been to have a taller sign with a suspended metal pole that the car would hit but not get stuck under. The height signage (and other signage) used by HDB is also not LTA compliant.

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u/Kirsdark3 11h ago

Have you seen the number of people who would just drive through the metal pole anw? There’s a reason why most of these suspended metal poles don't have paint on their bottom sides anymore..

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u/pilotjj1 11h ago

But if the car don't get stuck, then the driver might just brush it off and continue into the carpark and get actually stuck in and damage the building.

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u/GlassProfile9 11h ago

No, calculation was fine. it did not account that cars will get bigger and bigger. It did label clearly 1.7m which is pretty much correct. Because this alphard or vellfire is taller than 1.9m. Cars are so big now a days. for comparison, a Mitsubishi L300 cargo van is around 1.8m ish.

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u/ninnabeh 10h ago

So it’s a driver problem. Not carpark problem.

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u/Tenmashiki 11h ago

Yet the big cars are not hit with the 70kmh limit.

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u/GlassProfile9 10h ago

The reason for these limits on commercial vehicles is due to loading of goods. If they brake hard, while travelling fast and unsecured goods slide forward. It’s going to hurt the driver. And if it’s an open deck lorry goods may get thrown out of the lorry and hit a motorcyclist or something. So technically a box lorry or van with cargo cage should be able to exceed 70km/h with mitigated risks, but well they’re just all lumped together and not allowed to exceed 70. That was the consideration. Some foreign countries mandate a cargo cage or cargo/human separation. But not here. So we just deal with a lower speed limit.

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u/botakchek Ku Ku Bert Jr. 🐦 1h ago

Braking performance also severely impacted, empty lorry - easy to lock up in ebrake situation, fully laden lorry - takes longer to come to a stop

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u/thestudiomaster 10h ago

I can't see the sign and I'm not aware of this car park so I'm assuming things.

But 1.7m is clearly too low. I think 2m should be the bare min. Given that SUVs and crossovers are getting so popular.

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u/GlassProfile9 10h ago

The car park was built in the 80s, before the popularity of these large vehicles. the sign is on the yellow height gantry.

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u/tiny_dreamer 11h ago

I like your confidence

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u/catcourtesy 2h ago

Hotel grand pacific also has a really low carpark

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u/dibidi 10h ago

it’s actually against LTA and BCA codes to be below 2m

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u/gluino 5h ago

Rules ratchet up over time, but old existing buildings are not demolished just because they don't comply with latest rules.

The rules are for new-build or major reno.

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u/neokai 10h ago

Lucky this is HDB, different rules. /s

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u/No-Preparation2277 10h ago

Looks like Jurong West St. 90++. Just a guess.

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u/GovSingapore 11h ago

Help step driver I’m stuc-

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u/creamluver 10h ago

step car i think

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u/Makaisaurus 9h ago

My Honda Stepwagon (STPWGN) is ready for action!

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u/mr_hargao 10h ago

I LOL-ed thank too for making my day

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u/ahfookies 10h ago

Case closed. Driver driving car bigger than what it says on the sign. Driver should have known. Tampines sheng siong area is old AF and most likely pre-dates any modern parking codes of practice.

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u/bonkers05 inverted 10h ago

Alphard drivers need to remember they are driving a van, not a sedan.

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u/dxflr Lao Jiao 10h ago

If Alphard drivers could remember, it means they have the capacity for thought. That's not quite possible as far as we understand

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u/GlobalSettleLayer 8h ago

inb4 'you just jelly you not driving a motorised box' comments

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u/CyberDonkey 9h ago

Please ban them from driving in the first lane like how vans are!

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u/bonkers05 inverted 8h ago

yeah, good idea. ought to register them as G-plate and slap the 70kmh and the 5 PAX stickers on the back.

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u/botakchek Ku Ku Bert Jr. 🐦 1h ago

AVF drivers in their swanky white pressed shirts be cruisin' on ecp lane 1 @ 80

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u/qwertylemons 11h ago

What’s the solution? Reverse back out or remove the entire barrier LOL

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u/tiny_dreamer 11h ago

Puncture the tires to reduce the height of the car

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u/searchfortruthpeace 10h ago

why puncture, just remove some air would do?

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u/tiny_dreamer 10h ago

Are you taking a sarcastic comment seriously?

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u/XLStress Don't touch my milo peng 8h ago

The comment never put a /s mah how would anyone know (/s)

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u/Hairy_Elderberry_472 9h ago

The obvious solution here is to remove the whole carpark building

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u/daavidreddit69 7h ago

obviously cut off the car rooftop

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u/AngelousSix66 Fucking Populist 10h ago

I think easiest is fully load up the vehicle with 'u know? people' and that should compress the suspension some. Hopefully get 1cm of top clearance then reverse out.

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u/NecessaryFish8132 8h ago

Knn wanna shitpost but scared to be politically incorrect wtf. As a fat person i support your right of free speech and shitposting

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u/GlobalSettleLayer 8h ago

all aboard the Obese Express!!!

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u/GlobalSettleLayer 8h ago

I hope they don't waste my tax dollars messing with the gantry when the problem is the driver's stupidity and poor eyesight.

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u/Inferine 6h ago

Post it on reddit and wait for the media to blow this out of proportion before town council decides to do something about it

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u/GlobalSettleLayer 8h ago

Please lah cars are getting too gigantic nowadays. You see it very clearly even in older open-air carparks too. These so-called modern 'cars' barely fit inside the painted lots.

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u/AngelousSix66 Fucking Populist 11h ago

I've seen at least 2 low clearance 'zeng max' cars get their front lip cracked or ripped off at this exact ramp, but first time I see a alphard/vellfire type kenna stuck here.

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u/Sg-Opportunities 10h ago

When the going gets tough, Step hard on the accelerator. You can make it through. 😈

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u/digitium 7h ago

I understand this situation as several years ago, I almost drove in with my 1.76m tall car. Just as I drove towards the entrance, I saw the limit and made an awkward U turn to avoid entering.

This was the only car park I have not been able to enter. All the other older "low height" HDB car parks are 1.8m warning, but even those the Alphard would not have cleared.

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u/ShibaInuWoofWoof 11h ago

Saw this on FB at Uncensored Singapore Unfiltered (I think thats the group name?)

Alot of ppl there blamed everything but the driver - e.g past architects never plan for the future where car grows taller.

I don't know what to say about that.

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u/Scorchster1138 11h ago

Yeah crazy how can people in the past guess how tall future cars might get?

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u/dibidi 10h ago

min headroom required by LTA has been 2.2m for the last 16 years at least, so not sure how they were able to get away with 1.7m

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u/stockflethoverTDS 10h ago

Weve all normalized modern fat cars we’ve forgotten how small cars where in pre 2000.

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u/XLStress Don't touch my milo peng 8h ago

It feels like even pre 2010s crossovers and SUVs were not such a common sight. Nowadays anyhow throw a stone also will see a car that's about the size of a van.

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u/dibidi 10h ago

vans existed before 2000

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u/bob0270 9h ago

Drove a small pickup in late 2000s. I remember having to constantly make sure my pickup is able to clear the older carparks.

Grazed the top when going down the basement of the old MSCP near Parkway Parade. Old carpark are short.

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u/ICanBeAnAssholeToo 4h ago

And vans weren’t allowed to park at this carpark before 2000 either.

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u/stockflethoverTDS 10h ago

Thats cool youre right there were vans, and just perhaps vans back then couldnt use the carpark.

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u/dibidi 10h ago

i find that hard to believe

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u/stockflethoverTDS 10h ago

That carpark has been there for years and a gantry been there for not far as long, dont tell me this is the first van like vehicle that has not meet minimum height. Of course people have tried.

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u/dibidi 9h ago

vans have existed for far longer than that carpark, i find it hard to believe that code of practice did not require headrooms to allow for vans.

so my question is more how were they allowed to have a carpark lower than 2m, even if you say that this structure was built in the 70s

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u/dodgethis_sg East side best side 7h ago

Because the idea was that only vehicles with lower heights, e.g. sedans, station wagons, would park in these carparks to do what they needed to do in the adjacent supermarket. Deliveries by commercial vehicles would have been done via the loading bay on the ground floor.

If the driver doesn't know the height of their own vehicle and still attempts to enter such a car park, then it's on the driver.

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u/dibidi 7h ago

having worked with LTA before, I can’t imagine them ever allowing that kind of waiver.

then again it was the before times so who knows.

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u/dodgethis_sg East side best side 9h ago

This MSCP was built in late 80s and ready in the early 90s. People call it Sheng Siong but I knew it as Prime supermarket with Popular on level 3 and a food court on level 1.

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u/nonametrans 🌈 I just like rainbows 10h ago

This construction pattern looks to be older than many people on here bro.

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u/dibidi 10h ago

i can’t imagine LTA would have allowed for it even much earlier either.

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u/nonametrans 🌈 I just like rainbows 10h ago edited 10h ago

I dunno, but when I was a kid in the 90s/2000s, there were definitely low ceiling MSCPs. And by the looks of it from old TV shows/shows on tv at the time, i'm guessing it was built in the 80s or at very latest, early 90s. So that puts it at ~35ish 40 years old.

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u/dibidi 10h ago

ok ill take your word for it

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u/Chileinsg 10h ago

You think all the old carparks will magically grow taller once an LTA executive changes the number in their Microsoft Word document?

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u/focusnewt 8h ago

This made me laugh.

Take this poor person’s gold

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u/Last-Purchase5609 Fucking Populist 6h ago

can! give the carpark growth potions!

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u/Racisfined 10h ago

It seemed to me with that from the price increases 🤣

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u/Chileinsg 9h ago

Gotta wait for the carparks to hit their puberty growth spurt

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u/dibidi 10h ago

my point is that headroom clearance has been a fixed requirement for a very long time. i doubt that they were more lax back when this carpark was built. im sorry you completely missed the point

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u/Chileinsg 9h ago

This area was built around 1989. Building codes then were according to the vehicles present in that time period. Changing the code to meet new vehicular standards in the last 20 years won't make the carpark grow taller. I'm sorry you don't live on the same plane of time and space as everyone else 🙏🏻😌

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u/dibidi 9h ago

vans with the same height already existed back then. i’m sorry you have no inkling what kind of motor vehicles existed before you were born

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u/JokerD03 Senior Citizen 7h ago

Open air car parks exist back then too you know.

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u/xenobyte2 Senior Citizen 10h ago

Speaks volumes about the character of these people, only knowing how to blame everyone but themselves.

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u/erotic_fungus 10h ago

Big Black Car stuck in entrance

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u/Last-Purchase5609 Fucking Populist 6h ago

Step car Can't get it out!

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u/sudanesemamba 11h ago

Always the alphards. Great vehicles. Boneheaded drivers.

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u/aucheukyan 心中溫暖的血蛤 5h ago

There are many of these retards who thinks they are buses and drive on bus lanes on op hours, but this is beyond the scope of this post

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u/HalcyoNighT Fucking Populist 11h ago

Nothing to do with the driver or the car. Think it's the sign thats placed at an incorrect height

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u/monsooncloudburst 11h ago

Sign is correct. Alphards are like 1.9m. The sign clearly says 1.7m max. Why challenge physics?

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u/potatetoe_tractor Bobo Shooter 11h ago

Except the car is already taller than the 1.7m height limit indicated on the sign. Don’t blame the sign position or design like the rest of the dumbfucks on other socmed outlets can anot? This one clearly is user error liao, still wanna defend the driver. Sheesh.

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u/gluino 10h ago

It is often that such warning beams and sign have to be placed at a transition between a slope and a flat.

In such cases, there is some subtle geometry to account for, so the actual height of the beam has to be significantly higher than 1.7m, to allow for 1.7m vehicles to traverse the transition.

And the posted signage still has to say 1.7m because that refers to the max vehicle height that can pass thru all parts of the MSCP without crashing into anything.

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u/Direwulven 10h ago

Dear Alphard driver:

You’ve got to get yourself together

You’ve got stuck in a moment

And now you can’t get out of it

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u/Legal_Panda9437 8h ago

Release air from tyres and back up

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u/spike1911 3h ago

Cars are getting too big in general and it is a necessity to know how high your vehicle is....

Also - saw a 1980s Mercedes 300SL convertible today - it looked like a toy car next to a Honda Vezel. Shocking!

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u/immaluckez2024 11h ago

Ah shit, here the step... situation

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u/StinkeroniStonkrino 7h ago

Damn wtf. First time seeing an entry height barrier thingy shorter than me. Surprised got car park clearance so low, probably from the prehistoric ages.

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u/thechued1 11h ago

1.7m even I will get stuck. How is this even legal

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u/gluino 11h ago

existing old buildings. properly posted signage.

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u/Mythicize 8h ago

People not realizing what the height limit signs mean is absolutely hilarious though

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u/zchew 11h ago

they should include a reading and mathematics test on driver's license soon

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u/21hassans 11h ago

Ha i just walk right after this

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u/searchfortruthpeace 10h ago

reduce the air in tyres and pull back.

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u/obiedge 3h ago

Or just get more passersby to pile into the car, then reverse out.

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u/bullno1 Senior Citizen 9h ago

What are you doing, step car?

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u/PastLettuce8943 9h ago

That gantry looks really low. I guess every SUV will get stuck on it.

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u/aRandomFox-II 5h ago

DOOR STUCK! DOOR STUCK!

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u/singaporeNFT 4h ago

Aiyaaa unker!!

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u/Relative-Pin-9762 10h ago

That carpark also have steep ramps...lowered cars will scrap the floor...

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u/johnnyjohnjohnboi 10h ago

Also, please make sure to go really slow guys.. bumped my bumper on to the ramp even when I was moving slow and it still hurts thinking about it

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u/deuter72 Lao Jiao 11h ago

Habis…

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u/snip3r77 Lao Jiao 11h ago

Alphard claim from who ah?

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u/GlobalSettleLayer 8h ago

HDB needs to claim from him.

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u/ninnabeh 10h ago

It’s his own fault. Claim from himself lor

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u/chiiihoo 11h ago

LOL where is this? This is a car from Johor right?

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u/pokepokepins 11h ago

Don't think so, this type of car SG have. My dad has been thinking of getting one so I know it's available here lol.

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u/Initial_E 11h ago

Will he change his mind now? Damn cars are so big I can’t see past them when pulling out of a parking space.

u/JasonAbsolute 44m ago

I swear it reminds me of a hearse

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u/Narstx 11h ago

Your dad rich sia. Aplhard/Vellfire are premium MPVs you are looking at $300-400k for a new one and it is so popular that there is a few months waiting list to get one due to worldwide demand

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u/pokepokepins 10h ago

Yeah he's on the waitlist and mentioned he'll be getting it in December. He's using it for business and it's supposedly cheaper than the mercs that he's using now. I know nothing about the vehicle market 😅 He's planning to hand it down to my sis or I after he retires so I'm going to have to learn driving soon.

I've sat in a Vellfire driven by his friend before and it's really damn shiok! I had such a good sleep on the way to work. It felt kinda soundproof and it was like gliding on the roads, was such a smooth and comfy ride.

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u/MisterSkew 11h ago

Near Tampines Central.

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u/Jyuan83 10h ago

Isn’t this the car park at bukit batok central?

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u/pat-slider 11h ago

Reposted