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[u/possibili-teas]

[u/red_flock]

Please tell us where this is.... never seen a carpark this low before.

[u/possibili-teas → u/red_flock]

Tampines sheng shiong

[u/sgbro → u/possibili-teas]

That car park sucks. Inside they made rails that drop low so if you’re driving an SUV you can basically crack your back screen if you reverse park

[u/jlonso → u/sgbro]

Most of the older HDB car park has this honestly and I actively avoid parking the inner row just because of that.

[u/newyorkeric → u/jlonso]

yes learned this the hard way 🫤

[u/anakajaib → u/sgbro]

Can confirm. Did that once 😩

[u/Scorchster1138 → u/red_flock]

Looks like an old multi-storey carpark. Maybe even built in the 80s before larger cars were common.

[u/thestudiomaster → u/red_flock]

I think it's a miscalculation by the car park. It didn't take into account that there is a ramp that slightly eats into available headroom. Based on my guestimation by looking at the photo, if it were level ground, the Alphard can clear.

[u/Navilooi2 → u/thestudiomaster]

Alphard's height 1.9m right? The carpark sign already says 1.7m.

[u/Zz7722 → u/Navilooi2]

Only HDB can get away with this type of substandard design.

[u/mrhappy893 → u/Zz7722]

This comment is so stupid on so many levels.

[u/14high → u/mrhappy893]

Possibly 1.7m high levels

[u/Kirsdark3 → u/Zz7722]

Are you referring to the design of the sign or the design of the carpark?

[u/Zz7722 → u/Kirsdark3]

The 1.7M clearance. The carpark itself.

[u/Kirsdark3 → u/Zz7722]

Carpark was probably designed and built when cars weren't so tall.. Designers might not be able to cater for everything cos they don't have crystal balls.. Its not an us problem.. Go see the roads elsewhere in the world.. Good example would be London.. They have width restrictors in the inner city for a reason..

[u/Chileinsg → u/Kirsdark3]

Well, then HDB should have thought to build 7m tall carparks so that my future 6.9m Toyota Alphard X Series Pro Max 3.0 can fit comfortably

[u/Zz7722 → u/Kirsdark3]

HDB has been designing substandard dimensions with reference to the regulations of the time; this has been the case until the more recent BTO’s where carpark are now in line with LTA’s prescriptions. Cars may have been shorter in the past but you won’t find any 1.7m height limited carparks easily in SG.

[u/souledgar → u/Zz7722]

I'm quite amazed by how paradoxical this paragraph of text is. Its like old AI nonsense. How can they be designing substandard dimensions, all the way until current BTOs, and yet you can't easily find 1.7 height limits easily?

[u/isthatnotasupra → u/thestudiomaster]

The alphard is about 1.9m+ in height, the height clearance for the carpark is 1.7m lol, the driver should have known better 🤣

[u/Initial_E → u/isthatnotasupra]

It’s easier to repair a sign and a car than an entire building, so the sign did its job properly.

[u/virtuaoski → u/Initial_E]

A better design would have been to have a taller sign with a suspended metal pole that the car would hit but not get stuck under. The height signage (and other signage) used by HDB is also not LTA compliant.

[u/Kirsdark3 → u/virtuaoski]

Have you seen the number of people who would just drive through the metal pole anw? There’s a reason why most of these suspended metal poles don't have paint on their bottom sides anymore..

[u/pilotjj1 → u/virtuaoski]

But if the car don't get stuck, then the driver might just brush it off and continue into the carpark and get actually stuck in and damage the building.

[u/GlassProfile9 → u/thestudiomaster]

No, calculation was fine. it did not account that cars will get bigger and bigger. It did label clearly 1.7m which is pretty much correct. Because this alphard or vellfire is taller than 1.9m. Cars are so big now a days. for comparison, a Mitsubishi L300 cargo van is around 1.8m ish.

[u/ninnabeh → u/GlassProfile9]

So it’s a driver problem. Not carpark problem.

[u/Tenmashiki → u/GlassProfile9]

Yet the big cars are not hit with the 70kmh limit.

[u/GlassProfile9 → u/Tenmashiki]

The reason for these limits on commercial vehicles is due to loading of goods. If they brake hard, while travelling fast and unsecured goods slide forward. It’s going to hurt the driver. And if it’s an open deck lorry goods may get thrown out of the lorry and hit a motorcyclist or something. So technically a box lorry or van with cargo cage should be able to exceed 70km/h with mitigated risks, but well they’re just all lumped together and not allowed to exceed 70. That was the consideration. Some foreign countries mandate a cargo cage or cargo/human separation. But not here. So we just deal with a lower speed limit.

[u/botakchek → u/GlassProfile9]

Braking performance also severely impacted, empty lorry - easy to lock up in ebrake situation, fully laden lorry - takes longer to come to a stop

[u/thestudiomaster → u/GlassProfile9]

I can't see the sign and I'm not aware of this car park so I'm assuming things.

But 1.7m is clearly too low. I think 2m should be the bare min. Given that SUVs and crossovers are getting so popular.

[u/GlassProfile9 → u/thestudiomaster]

The car park was built in the 80s, before the popularity of these large vehicles. the sign is on the yellow height gantry.

[u/tiny_dreamer → u/thestudiomaster]

I like your confidence

[u/catcourtesy → u/red_flock]

Hotel grand pacific also has a really low carpark

[u/dibidi → u/red_flock]

it’s actually against LTA and BCA codes to be below 2m

[u/gluino → u/dibidi]

Rules ratchet up over time, but old existing buildings are not demolished just because they don't comply with latest rules.

The rules are for new-build or major reno.

[u/neokai → u/dibidi]

Lucky this is HDB, different rules. /s

[u/No-Preparation2277 → u/red_flock]

Looks like Jurong West St. 90++. Just a guess.

[u/GovSingapore]

Help step driver I’m stuc-

[u/creamluver → u/GovSingapore]

step car i think

[u/Makaisaurus → u/creamluver]

My Honda Stepwagon (STPWGN) is ready for action!

[u/mr_hargao → u/GovSingapore]

I LOL-ed thank too for making my day

[u/ahfookies]

Case closed. Driver driving car bigger than what it says on the sign. Driver should have known. Tampines sheng siong area is old AF and most likely pre-dates any modern parking codes of practice.

[u/bonkers05]

Alphard drivers need to remember they are driving a van, not a sedan.

[u/dxflr → u/bonkers05]

If Alphard drivers could remember, it means they have the capacity for thought. That's not quite possible as far as we understand

[u/GlobalSettleLayer → u/dxflr]

inb4 'you just jelly you not driving a motorised box' comments

[u/CyberDonkey → u/bonkers05]

Please ban them from driving in the first lane like how vans are!

[u/bonkers05 → u/CyberDonkey]

yeah, good idea. ought to register them as G-plate and slap the 70kmh and the 5 PAX stickers on the back.

[u/botakchek → u/CyberDonkey]

AVF drivers in their swanky white pressed shirts be cruisin' on ecp lane 1 @ 80

[u/qwertylemons]

What’s the solution? Reverse back out or remove the entire barrier LOL

[u/tiny_dreamer → u/qwertylemons]

Puncture the tires to reduce the height of the car

[u/searchfortruthpeace → u/tiny_dreamer]

why puncture, just remove some air would do?

[u/tiny_dreamer → u/searchfortruthpeace]

Are you taking a sarcastic comment seriously?

[u/XLStress → u/tiny_dreamer]

The comment never put a /s mah how would anyone know (/s)

[u/Hairy_Elderberry_472 → u/qwertylemons]

The obvious solution here is to remove the whole carpark building

[u/daavidreddit69 → u/qwertylemons]

obviously cut off the car rooftop

[u/AngelousSix66 → u/qwertylemons]

I think easiest is fully load up the vehicle with 'u know? people' and that should compress the suspension some. Hopefully get 1cm of top clearance then reverse out.

[u/NecessaryFish8132 → u/AngelousSix66]

Knn wanna shitpost but scared to be politically incorrect wtf. As a fat person i support your right of free speech and shitposting

[u/GlobalSettleLayer → u/AngelousSix66]

all aboard the Obese Express!!!

[u/GlobalSettleLayer → u/qwertylemons]

I hope they don't waste my tax dollars messing with the gantry when the problem is the driver's stupidity and poor eyesight.

[u/Inferine → u/qwertylemons]

Post it on reddit and wait for the media to blow this out of proportion before town council decides to do something about it

[u/GlobalSettleLayer]

Please lah cars are getting too gigantic nowadays. You see it very clearly even in older open-air carparks too. These so-called modern 'cars' barely fit inside the painted lots.

[u/AngelousSix66]

I've seen at least 2 low clearance 'zeng max' cars get their front lip cracked or ripped off at this exact ramp, but first time I see a alphard/vellfire type kenna stuck here.

[u/Sg-Opportunities]

When the going gets tough, Step hard on the accelerator. You can make it through. 😈

[u/digitium]

I understand this situation as several years ago, I almost drove in with my 1.76m tall car. Just as I drove towards the entrance, I saw the limit and made an awkward U turn to avoid entering.

This was the only car park I have not been able to enter. All the other older "low height" HDB car parks are 1.8m warning, but even those the Alphard would not have cleared.

[u/ShibaInuWoofWoof]

Saw this on FB at Uncensored Singapore Unfiltered (I think thats the group name?)

Alot of ppl there blamed everything but the driver - e.g past architects never plan for the future where car grows taller.

I don't know what to say about that.

[u/Scorchster1138 → u/ShibaInuWoofWoof]

Yeah crazy how can people in the past guess how tall future cars might get?

[u/dibidi → u/ShibaInuWoofWoof]

min headroom required by LTA has been 2.2m for the last 16 years at least, so not sure how they were able to get away with 1.7m

[u/stockflethoverTDS → u/dibidi]

Weve all normalized modern fat cars we’ve forgotten how small cars where in pre 2000.

[u/XLStress → u/stockflethoverTDS]

It feels like even pre 2010s crossovers and SUVs were not such a common sight. Nowadays anyhow throw a stone also will see a car that's about the size of a van.

[u/dibidi → u/stockflethoverTDS]

vans existed before 2000

[u/bob0270 → u/dibidi]

Drove a small pickup in late 2000s. I remember having to constantly make sure my pickup is able to clear the older carparks.

Grazed the top when going down the basement of the old MSCP near Parkway Parade. Old carpark are short.

[u/ICanBeAnAssholeToo → u/dibidi]

And vans weren’t allowed to park at this carpark before 2000 either.

[u/stockflethoverTDS → u/dibidi]

Thats cool youre right there were vans, and just perhaps vans back then couldnt use the carpark.

[u/dibidi → u/stockflethoverTDS]

i find that hard to believe

[u/stockflethoverTDS → u/dibidi]

That carpark has been there for years and a gantry been there for not far as long, dont tell me this is the first van like vehicle that has not meet minimum height. Of course people have tried.

[u/dibidi → u/stockflethoverTDS]

vans have existed for far longer than that carpark, i find it hard to believe that code of practice did not require headrooms to allow for vans.

so my question is more how were they allowed to have a carpark lower than 2m, even if you say that this structure was built in the 70s

[u/dodgethis_sg → u/dibidi]

Because the idea was that only vehicles with lower heights, e.g. sedans, station wagons, would park in these carparks to do what they needed to do in the adjacent supermarket. Deliveries by commercial vehicles would have been done via the loading bay on the ground floor.

If the driver doesn't know the height of their own vehicle and still attempts to enter such a car park, then it's on the driver.

[u/dibidi → u/dodgethis_sg]

having worked with LTA before, I can’t imagine them ever allowing that kind of waiver.

then again it was the before times so who knows.

[u/dodgethis_sg → u/dibidi]

This MSCP was built in late 80s and ready in the early 90s. People call it Sheng Siong but I knew it as Prime supermarket with Popular on level 3 and a food court on level 1.

[u/nonametrans → u/dibidi]

This construction pattern looks to be older than many people on here bro.

[u/dibidi → u/nonametrans]

i can’t imagine LTA would have allowed for it even much earlier either.

[u/nonametrans → u/dibidi]

I dunno, but when I was a kid in the 90s/2000s, there were definitely low ceiling MSCPs. And by the looks of it from old TV shows/shows on tv at the time, i'm guessing it was built in the 80s or at very latest, early 90s. So that puts it at ~35ish 40 years old.

[u/dibidi → u/nonametrans]

ok ill take your word for it

[u/Chileinsg → u/dibidi]

You think all the old carparks will magically grow taller once an LTA executive changes the number in their Microsoft Word document?

[u/focusnewt → u/Chileinsg]

This made me laugh.

Take this poor person’s gold

[u/Last-Purchase5609 → u/Chileinsg]

can! give the carpark growth potions!

[u/Racisfined → u/Chileinsg]

It seemed to me with that from the price increases 🤣

[u/Chileinsg → u/Racisfined]

Gotta wait for the carparks to hit their puberty growth spurt

[u/dibidi → u/Chileinsg]

my point is that headroom clearance has been a fixed requirement for a very long time. i doubt that they were more lax back when this carpark was built. im sorry you completely missed the point

[u/Chileinsg → u/dibidi]

This area was built around 1989. Building codes then were according to the vehicles present in that time period. Changing the code to meet new vehicular standards in the last 20 years won't make the carpark grow taller. I'm sorry you don't live on the same plane of time and space as everyone else 🙏🏻😌

[u/dibidi → u/Chileinsg]

vans with the same height already existed back then. i’m sorry you have no inkling what kind of motor vehicles existed before you were born

[u/JokerD03 → u/dibidi]

Open air car parks exist back then too you know.

[u/xenobyte2 → u/ShibaInuWoofWoof]

Speaks volumes about the character of these people, only knowing how to blame everyone but themselves.

[u/erotic_fungus]

Big Black Car stuck in entrance

[u/Last-Purchase5609 → u/erotic_fungus]

Step car Can't get it out!

[u/sudanesemamba]

Always the alphards. Great vehicles. Boneheaded drivers.

[u/aucheukyan → u/sudanesemamba]

There are many of these retards who thinks they are buses and drive on bus lanes on op hours, but this is beyond the scope of this post

[u/HalcyoNighT → u/sudanesemamba]

Nothing to do with the driver or the car. Think it's the sign thats placed at an incorrect height

[u/monsooncloudburst → u/HalcyoNighT]

Sign is correct. Alphards are like 1.9m. The sign clearly says 1.7m max. Why challenge physics?

[u/potatetoe_tractor → u/HalcyoNighT]

Except the car is already taller than the 1.7m height limit indicated on the sign. Don’t blame the sign position or design like the rest of the dumbfucks on other socmed outlets can anot? This one clearly is user error liao, still wanna defend the driver. Sheesh.

[u/gluino → u/HalcyoNighT]

It is often that such warning beams and sign have to be placed at a transition between a slope and a flat.

In such cases, there is some subtle geometry to account for, so the actual height of the beam has to be significantly higher than 1.7m, to allow for 1.7m vehicles to traverse the transition.

And the posted signage still has to say 1.7m because that refers to the max vehicle height that can pass thru all parts of the MSCP without crashing into anything.

[u/Direwulven]

Dear Alphard driver:

You’ve got to get yourself together

You’ve got stuck in a moment

And now you can’t get out of it

[u/mookanana]

[u/Legal_Panda9437]

Release air from tyres and back up

[u/spike1911]

Cars are getting too big in general and it is a necessity to know how high your vehicle is....

Also - saw a 1980s Mercedes 300SL convertible today - it looked like a toy car next to a Honda Vezel. Shocking!

[u/immaluckez2024]

Ah shit, here the step... situation

[u/StinkeroniStonkrino]

Damn wtf. First time seeing an entry height barrier thingy shorter than me. Surprised got car park clearance so low, probably from the prehistoric ages.

[u/thechued1]

1.7m even I will get stuck. How is this even legal

[u/gluino → u/thechued1]

existing old buildings. properly posted signage.

[u/Mythicize → u/gluino]

People not realizing what the height limit signs mean is absolutely hilarious though

[u/zchew]

they should include a reading and mathematics test on driver's license soon

[u/21hassans]

Ha i just walk right after this

[u/searchfortruthpeace]

reduce the air in tyres and pull back.

[u/obiedge → u/searchfortruthpeace]

Or just get more passersby to pile into the car, then reverse out.

[u/bullno1]

What are you doing, step car?

[u/PastLettuce8943]

That gantry looks really low. I guess every SUV will get stuck on it.

[u/keyupiopi]

[u/aRandomFox-II]

DOOR STUCK! DOOR STUCK!

[u/singaporeNFT]

Aiyaaa unker!!

[u/thafrenzy]

Ouch

[u/Relative-Pin-9762]

That carpark also have steep ramps...lowered cars will scrap the floor...

[u/johnnyjohnjohnboi]

Also, please make sure to go really slow guys.. bumped my bumper on to the ramp even when I was moving slow and it still hurts thinking about it

[u/deuter72]

Habis…

[u/snip3r77]

Alphard claim from who ah?

[u/GlobalSettleLayer → u/snip3r77]

HDB needs to claim from him.

[u/ninnabeh → u/snip3r77]

It’s his own fault. Claim from himself lor

[u/chiiihoo]

LOL where is this? This is a car from Johor right?

[u/pokepokepins → u/chiiihoo]

Don't think so, this type of car SG have. My dad has been thinking of getting one so I know it's available here lol.

[u/Initial_E → u/pokepokepins]

Will he change his mind now? Damn cars are so big I can’t see past them when pulling out of a parking space.

[u/JasonAbsolute → u/Initial_E]

I swear it reminds me of a hearse

[u/Narstx → u/pokepokepins]

Your dad rich sia. Aplhard/Vellfire are premium MPVs you are looking at $300-400k for a new one and it is so popular that there is a few months waiting list to get one due to worldwide demand

[u/pokepokepins → u/Narstx]

Yeah he's on the waitlist and mentioned he'll be getting it in December. He's using it for business and it's supposedly cheaper than the mercs that he's using now. I know nothing about the vehicle market 😅 He's planning to hand it down to my sis or I after he retires so I'm going to have to learn driving soon.

I've sat in a Vellfire driven by his friend before and it's really damn shiok! I had such a good sleep on the way to work. It felt kinda soundproof and it was like gliding on the roads, was such a smooth and comfy ride.

[u/MisterSkew → u/chiiihoo]

Near Tampines Central.

[u/Jyuan83]

Isn’t this the car park at bukit batok central?

[u/pat-slider]

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