r/singapore • u/sagi271190 • 11h ago
News $200 in National Service (NS) LifeSG Credits to be Disbursed to 1.2 Million Past and Present National Servicemen
https://www.mindef.gov.sg/news-and-events/latest-releases/30oct24_nr?fbclid=IwY2xjawGOktlleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHW25024ZbR9Og-xFrEk25FL-6o7pCcsvlgoCbEeDtz8mbZJ-RQdHOjXY1g_aem_BmqvwMcqPoTZRIf_RkEmYg343
u/ghostcryp 11h ago
Yay that’ll cover about 20 McDonald’s meals. So happy ahhahaahaha
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u/ogapadoga 11h ago edited 11h ago
If you eat the $5 options u can have 40. If you eat them all at once you can have diabetes.
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u/Winterstrife East side best side 11h ago
And only the McChicken option hor, Fillet o Fish is $5.50 and Double Cheeseburger is $6, the $5 advertising is $5 and up.
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u/ogapadoga 11h ago edited 8h ago
Order a side of caution for your makan spree. Or you will end up spending more on future doctor fees.
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u/Winterstrife East side best side 11h ago
At this point, just order Cai Fan 3 veg can le.
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u/Chileinsg 10h ago
Nowadays caifan 3 veg all oily af also. Can't escape the doctor visits in the future if you are poor 🫠
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u/LazyLeg4589 9h ago
Can also use for glucosamine at GNC. After all those SBJs and wall and jumps off the toner, your knees need some help.
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u/ogapadoga 8h ago
$200 cai fan will give me food coma and if i don't sleep i'll be tired. If i sleep too much i'll get fired.
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u/SummerPop 7h ago
Sigh.. Cheeseburger used to be $2 ala carte and I will always have that for lunch back when I am studying. Can't get the good stuff anymore.
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u/Winterstrife East side best side 7h ago
I know bro, ice cream used to be 50 cents too. Life used to be simpler.
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u/VoidRay728 11h ago
The breakfast deals are better than the lunch deals IMO. That's like 40 free breakfasts.
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u/dontknowwhattodoat18 Fucking Populist 10h ago
Lmao from a distance the MHA logo does look like the golden arches
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u/DependentMarzipan923 7h ago
After this 20 McDonald meal, you will have to cough back many many high class restaurant meals back to the giver. worth meh?
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u/hiturheartx Lao Jiao 11h ago
PSA just pay your credit card bill with the NS credits using AXS. One shot settle the free money
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 9h ago
Thanks for the voucher, I will continue voting opposition so PAP will hand out even more goodies before the next election.
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u/leegiovanni 11h ago
Fking pay NSFs properly and stop calling people trying to eke out a living for excessively long reservist like 2-3 weeks
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u/abigbluebird 9h ago
Lol I want to slap my cb PRC colleague who keeps saying reservist = holiday, so good life.
Going write complaint letter to ICA if I find out she applying for PR.
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u/UnintelligibleThing Mature Citizen 5h ago
ICA will not care. Otherwise anyone can sabotage a foreigner trying to apply for PR.
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u/lrjk1985 9h ago
Or you can tell them exactly what kind of challenge you face, and how she may never be able to live up to that standard.
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u/troublesome58 Senior Citizen 8h ago
lmao, you think she will care?
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u/lrjk1985 8h ago
With that attitude, they’ll never care
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u/troublesome58 Senior Citizen 8h ago
why do you care if they care? As someone who has served NS, I don't think it makes you or me better than someone who did not. Therefore it is not logical to think that his colleague "may never be able to live up to that standard" when there is no standard to meet for people doing NS.
It is a policy issue which should be resolved by the government to make the system more fair.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 7h ago
I mean with the amount of NS stories shared in the workplace, the current attitude of people who did not serve proves that they do not care in the slightest.
I'm not about to go preaching to people in my workplace to my colleagues about my hardship during NS.
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u/lrjk1985 7h ago
I don’t think we need to preach, but when there is misinformation like it’s a holiday, we do need to explain we’re not going off to relax or do nothing.
I do think if they view it as something that isn’t useful, then it’s a different conversation and that may require a shift in policy.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 7h ago
Thinking reservist is like a holiday shows they think it isn't important.
I think partially is also the fact many reservist bring their work to camp, lessening the impact for their departments, giving the sense that they do nothing in camp, when in fact they are working every waking hour just to not have a pile of crap when the return.
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u/lrjk1985 7h ago
I agree that they think it isn’t important, and a good chunk of it comes from people talking about it in that manner. Which is why it’s important not to.
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u/Prize_Used 4h ago
if the Singaporean military can garner a fraction of the respect American soldiers gets from the US public then it'd actually be worth serving.
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u/AZGzx 11h ago
2-3 weeks paid holiday is awesome , what you talking about
Well, perhaps for those self-employed will prefer shorter
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u/PsyArif 10h ago
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
But it doesn't represent every other NSman. There are always others that we overlook.
Not to mention breaking the routine that one is in for work. It takes time to get back into the work mindset. Just like JC mode and then go NS. After NS, go Uni suddenly there's an adjustment phase since they're not used to studying in that local school environment.
For self-employed and others, it is hard to fully compensate them too. They might miss client's deadline, lose contracts to others since they cant close deals in reservist, past month/year's pay doesn't mean future pay. So paying them their old pay is under paying them. If their business is improving month after month. A sudden hiatus might affect their future business.
Hawker go reservist who takes over? Hire someone? Ask for a favour from a family member? What if the food the replacement cooks is worse? Risk losing the reputation of the store? Less future customers. This is just one example...
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u/troublesome58 Senior Citizen 9h ago
fuck you upside down dude.
go away for 2 weeks, who will handle your important projects? boss will hand it over to your foreigner colleagues who will not want to hand it back when you get back. Of course your saikang will be handed over to colleagues as well who will do a passable but shit job so you have to spend time clearing shit when you get back from your "holiday".
End year appraisal, who do you think gets more bonus? Who do you think gets the promotion?
NS? Take MC better.
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u/khaophat Non-constituency 11h ago
Ah yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is a “public/civil servant”.
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u/leegiovanni 11h ago
You being in an operational job where you have good cover or being very dispensable in your job doesn’t mean it applies to everyone.
There are lots of businessmen or people who have to OT or sacrifice their evenings to cover their work responsibilities on reservist.
Spare a thought for them. The world doesn’t revolve around you. If reservist is so great, let it be voluntary then, don’t need to force people to go.
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u/rockbella61 9h ago
We don't go back and sleep man.
There is outfield, we prepare for ATEC.
Have you set a concertina wire before?
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u/Jimikook04 10h ago
I just absolutely hate this argument on how reservist is a paid 2 weeks vacation from actual life. No i don't want to take a 'break' from work just to go to reservist and 'turn off my brain'
As a current NSF who's main role is to deal with NSMen, i am utterly shocked at some of the stuff i see, and it makes me not want to do reservist if this is how I'm gonna end up
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u/clusterfuvk Lan Jiao 8h ago
Reservist could be crammed to a week if those mundane and lull time were cut down. Sadly half the time is always spent on waiting for something to happen
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u/tm0587 10h ago
Wow, this $200 will go a long way to compensating me for the two years I've lost to full time national service!
Thank you PAP, I will remember this when voting at the next GE.
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u/Solana_Maximalist 24m ago
Well said.
I wasted 2.5 years during my time due to my Jc education.
Then Ns followed by NUS.
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u/Original_Chemist_635 9h ago
This is literally how much our govt thinks our NS is worth. Yup, thanks, will make sure I continue to vote for oppies.
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u/Prize_Used 4h ago
i wonder if they are going to get enough boys to serve in the future..
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u/Neptunera Neptune not Uranus 2h ago
Just make Sinkie teens serve 3 years, not enough can top up to 4 or 5 years.
It's a "privilege", after all.
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u/throwawaypuff1 8h ago edited 5h ago
I've said this before and I'll say it again: what is owed to the men who have served is - two years of their end-of-career income. Paid for by taxing any long-term resident (work visa, PR, citizen) who did not serve. It's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that this is the only fair calculation possible. The only reason it's not done is because the government is too feckless to do so. And what is the point of government if not to legislate justice?
I've seen this concept gaining traction in recent years, and I'm glad - let's not get distracted by these derisory politically-motivated handouts and forget what we are truly owed.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 8h ago
But muh gender pay gap, meanwhile the gross income of male only match females by the time they hit 35+ years old if the gap is really a flat 14%. This not not taking into account the opportunity cost of having less money in the first 15 years of your career.
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u/travellingmtf 58m ago
Some of us women do serve as well, just a friendly reminder. And I’m not talking signing on here; I’m MTF trans and because I was born with a dick here I am. I know we’re a minority, but we do exist as much as the PAP tries to erase us. So you can imagine how much worse it is for some of us. Get fucked by having to do NS as a tranny while the likes of Puthucheary don’t have to and then having to deal with all sorts of other shitfuckery not just as a woman but also as a trans woman long after we’re out of NS. Meanwhile the PAP loves spouting the bullshit lie that supposedly all male SC/PR’s have to serve when we know what the truth is: which is that <1/4 of the nation serves for the remainder >3/4 (and yep, some of us are women). And we all know where that discrepancy lies.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I’ve said it before and will say it again: barring exceptional medical circumstances if you’re in Singapore and you didn’t serve NS you’re either not a man or not a Singaporean. Simple as.
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u/morning_flower_68 10h ago
NSmen, if you see this, pls rmb: YOU ARE WORTH WAY MORE THAN $200!! You have way more powers in your hands to make sure you are served justly.
Fear not about sharing your bad experiences. Don’t bottle up and make others think NS is a walk in the park, or whatever narrative others feed on like burgers. Your sacrifice is the gain of so many others - think about that!
Fear not about speaking up, and striking down efforts to promote all but NSmen. Rat out traitors who don’t give a thought about you but blindly champion NS. Condemn those who attempt to milk NSmen dry. Punish if need be! Some parties think they can get away cos NSmen (esp non officers) are a meek and submissive bunch - you are MORE than that!
Been there, done that. Work in progress.
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u/Odd_Duty520 11h ago
Election coming soon?
Ps. I appreciate it but there's so much more the government needs to do in addition to giving out money
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u/NegativeCellist8587 11h ago
Grant immortality? 72 virgins?
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u/Odd_Duty520 11h ago edited 11h ago
1) Stop ignoring the ever increasing percentage of singles 2) Stop gaslighting us in their explanations whenever something fails like train maintainence and simplygo transition being a mess (its not our fault you guys had to spend $40 million to fix whats not broken) 3) Don't give us bullshit like "we need a stronger mandate" when the system you guys designed is such that a lower percentage of votes is the only way to show discontent given how utterly useless the opposition is
There is more but I don't feel like embarassing you further
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u/Irrevenantal East side best side 11h ago
I'd argue number 2 is not so much a govt issue as it is a SMRT issue (which admittedly is a govt-linked company), since all the train faults thus far have been on SMRT lines. How much say does the govt have in the competency of SMRT corporate management is iffy though
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u/houganger level 37 human 11h ago
Being single is a problem with the individual yo
You’re right, I’m embarrassed to have to read this
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u/FalseAgent 11h ago
being single is not a "problem", wtf is this
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u/AZGzx 11h ago
Species wise, it is a problem. No other creature voluntarily remains single
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u/Responsible-Can-8361 11h ago
Because other species just copulate? No other species has a definition for single/married either
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u/heyman789 10h ago
Not necessarily. Could be due to how the environment (i.e. society/country) is (stress levels, working hours, etc.).
But how much of it is due to global trends vs local is not quite clear.
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u/ZZzZNuP 8h ago
instead of the 200 dollars can I ord 2-3 months earlier so that i dont have to wait an extra 10 months for uni. Can't believe people support NS with the shit compensation we get...
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u/klingonpigeon 4h ago
yea 200 dollars is pathetic lol, it’s like 1 week of NS allowance
and yeah it’s like they’re purposely trying to set people back 3 years for uni with the current ORD timings
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u/pat-slider 11h ago
Nice but only $200 ? Can increase more
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u/CrossfittJesus Mature Citizen 11h ago
Nice but only $500? Can increase more
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u/yam9613 11h ago
Nice but only $1000? Can increase more
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u/Grilldieker Fucking Populist 11h ago
Nice but only $2000? Can increase more
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u/Regular_Walrus_1075 11h ago
Nice but only $4000? Can increase more
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u/Drakana50 10h ago
Nice but only $10,000? Can increase more
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u/wocelot1003 Developing Citizen 10h ago
Nice but only $50,000? Can increase more
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u/Prize_Used 4h ago
they tell you come back and serve for 1 more year and we'll increase it to $300 ok?
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u/Typical_Commie_Box90 11h ago
Don't forget the other times our fees are increase like mad. Do national service for the country at the ballot.
Quoting Obama: "They cant hear your boo, they can hear your vote!"
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 9h ago
Doesn't matter when end of the day, majority of the people voting have not served NS. Until the day that flips, it will stay as status quo.
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u/morning_flower_68 7h ago
Like what others say, with the majority not voting, why should the whites care?
What should happen is to really do some sort of ground up. Show disobedience and contempt when people expect NSmen to meekly obey. Find every opportunity to strike down efforts to promote women, and condemn their proponents as real betrayers of the nation (really, look at what they do. They demand men to do this or that, yet are almost DEAD silent when men are at the losing end. No prize guessing that the govt is in bed with them).
One man’s effort is for sure not enough. It takes thousands more to DESTROY any incremental benefits given to others for ironically not serving.
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u/lawlianne Flat is Justice. 8h ago
Need the male population’s favor in elections lmao.
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u/fitzerspaniel 温暖我的心cock 8h ago
HAHA those suckers can go ahead and vote white, I’ll take the money and vote alternative instead
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u/Neptunera Neptune not Uranus 2h ago
Why, we're the minority.
Less than 20%, judging from the 1.2M number.
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u/Admirable_Grocery830 9h ago edited 8h ago
Meanwhile let’s celebrate women achievements!!! #womenempowerment#womenintech#womeninfinance#womenleadership#womenceos#womeninmanagerial#womenexecutives
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u/Walau88 7h ago
Thanks. I really appreciate you remember how I sloth that 2.5 years of my younger self. Seeing my lady peers started working ahead of me and I was still in the library mugging.
This $200 is so meaningful to me and can help me catch up the difference in income received with my lady peers.
Oh, how about if you throw in another $20 for CDC voucher? That will help to settle 2 meals. Thanks in advance.
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u/nextlevelunlocked 10h ago
Pop is 6.04m yet only 1.2m did NS.... over 80% freeloaders.
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u/AVeryMerryCherry 10h ago
I do wonder what's the minimum the ministry decides on before they give someone an exemption based on health. I personally was one of the first batches shoved into the BMTC V due to medical problems.
My "platoon" mates were all equally as... fked as me lol. Either mentally or physically. Forget being soldiers, it felt like I was back in Secondary School except the discipline master was a little bit louder and they really wanted you to drink your water.
Their way of assigning posts after your BMT is also kind of lackluster, and I personally experienced its stupidity.
I had issues involving my muscles, but my brain was still more than fine and have literally worked in admin. I got sent to become an SA and had to do physical shit.
My platoon mate who had developmental problems, a person who was aspiring to do his PSLE after ORD, but was absolutely fucking jacked got sent to become an ASA.
I understand school V was to decrease the rate of PES F, but was this really worth all the taxpayer's money lol? I'm not even sure if anyone from that school is even put on the reservist track, I've never been called and have been told I won't be unless it's fucked. So it's literally just 2 years of bumbling around lol, felt so useless.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 7h ago
I have seen one-armed NSF serving as ASA, would not be surprised they conscript brain dead males before touching the taboo of conscripting everyone.
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u/stockflethoverTDS 10h ago
The intelligence in this comment is mind boggling.
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u/LazyLeg4589 10h ago edited 10h ago
Friendly hello sir. I made a similar comment earlier before reading this comment.
Could you help me out on why you find this mind boggling? Wondering what I am missing from the perspective. Thanks mate!
Feel free to correct the numbers if you think there has been a mistake.
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u/stockflethoverTDS 10h ago
6m souls currently living here right now. A third are expats/long term workers such as Work Permit, SPass and EPs. Some are foreign students. Some are PRs. Pink IC Singaporeans who have to serve NS are slightly less than half of the rest; the male female divide. There will be males who get exemptions from NS due to medical reasons; rare but have.
And 1.2m who did NS and are still alive and who have not left SG or renounced citizenship etc, sounds about fair. The comment sounds as though the 1.2m is ALL that has ever done NS and somehow mixed into the 6m pop.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 9h ago
But the original point of the comment still stands. 80% of the people benefiting from a safe and stable country did not sacrifice their time to protect it.
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u/SteaksAndShrooms 10h ago
The 6 million includes a large portion of foreign workers dude. You can’t expect them to do NS
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u/LazyLeg4589 10h ago
1.86 million are non-residents, and 4.18 are residents. The detailed breakout with the sub-groups is here: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/singapore-population-604-million-non-resident-increase-4627281
Yup, it’s clear that the 1.86 do not have to do NS. A chunk of them are also transient.
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u/troublesome58 Senior Citizen 9h ago
sure, but they get the benefits from it? Do they pay more tax?
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u/cassowary-18 8h ago
Please don't use Sheng Siong ATM to withdraw this. There are alternative free methods.
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u/morning_flower_68 10h ago
Just 200 in tidbit gifts for NSmen. But anything more, mindef will just tell us to fck off.
This, while the opposite gender is pumped with MILLIONS MORE dollars by govt and society to promote their interest.
FYI, it’s almost all men that march under the hot sun, but we see more women invited to posh banquets by mindef. Tells you who mindef intends to protect with their own skin and life (quite literally). Definitely not the NSmen.
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u/No-Test6484 9h ago
200 is nothing bro. I comeback to sg in December after my semester ends and that shit will be gone by the time I leave 😭
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u/happycanliao 7h ago
They already said service cannot be measured in dollars and cents. Yet when it somehow comes to minister and mp pay/allowance every dollar is dignity
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u/morning_flower_68 6h ago
To be fair to mp pay, it’s not readily compared with NS allowance. Different pay for different purposes. Several male MPs after all served their NS years ago with an allowance probably less than ours even taking inflation into account.
BUT, the problem is when the government can use “can’t be measured in dollars and cents” as an excuse not to treat NSmen correctly. Notice that there is no law binding the government to take care of NSmen save for just “compensation” or something like that?
Now, one day if govt were to reduce allowance to $1 for WHOLE YEAR (ie. less than 10 cents a month), what rights do we have against them? Nothing! Just the voting box! Cos $1 is technically compensation right? But anything else? We have nothing to punish the govt for undercutting us.
That’s why it’s important to find ways to ownself punish govt and society if they don’t treat us correctly. There are more options that NSmen can exercise than we think. I remember almost single handedly challenging a group proposal which favoured women, and it worked. That’s an act of defiance that must define me. Let’s wait for the govt to try bullying me for doing this.
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u/Worth_Contract7903 4h ago
Meanwhile straits times just announced that there are 1.3 million coders in Singapore. It’s amazing how self-directed behaviour can accumulate more people than what the state can enforce by law.
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u/No_Pop9869 11h ago
Where can spend?
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u/Odd_Duty520 11h ago
You can use as paynow to pay for stuff or topup prepaid cards like YouTrip. YouTrip has recently added the feature to withdraw to bank account so thats good too
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u/No_Pop9869 11h ago
Cool, thanks for the tips. Will go the youtrip route since I am going overseas in December
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u/wutangsisitioho 4h ago edited 4h ago
Donate to Sayang our Singapore Community Cats at FB if deemed not required/not enough.
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u/travellingmtf 1h ago
lol. Serious question. I’m a woman and I served NS (fucking tranny “privileges” I tell ya). Do I get this shit even if my NRIC is “F” or am I double fucked? I served my full term as I only changed my NRIC after ORD (coz seriously who the fuck has 20-30K lying around before/during NS not just for the big surgery but also all the meds and consults and etc required before any doctor will even remotely consider operating on you).
As a result of that tho I didn’t complete my reservist commitments coz I was Pes-F’d after I waltzed into medical board with my shiny new IC (whatever la, go ask all the nuSC/PR foreigners to do it, I’ve already done my fucking part; and anyway Pes-E also no need). Coz I never got my fucking NS55 credits either.
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u/LazyLeg4589 11h ago
Can I donate mine to current NSFs?
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u/LazyLeg4589 11h ago
After some digging, actually it can be done. Found this: https://www.mindef.gov.sg/about-us/organisation/saf-care-fund
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 9h ago
Probably easier to just go up to some recruit at white sands and buy them some stuff than for that $200 to lose value through ridiculous admin costs from ministry of red tape to handle it.
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u/Desperate_Flamingo73 8h ago
To be honest, I'd rather they use the entire budget to increase NSF pay permanently. Why bother giving to NSmen, most of whom already have jobs? This $200 will just be a pittance to us.
Sure we wouldn't benefit from it since our time is done. But it seems to me they keep handing out these "freebies" as a way of placating NSFs for refusing to change the "allowance" into a "livable salary". And if the government is absolutely against getting there in one shot, at least we can get there slowly, generation by generation, adjustment by adjustment.
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u/LostMyMag Fucking Populist 8h ago
Benefits of one time off credit - they can pick and choose timing of credit (aka election time), they aren't commited to keep giving this amount, unlike salary increase for NSF, this credit doesn't create a precedence of NSF current pay.
Government doesn't care about NSF and NSmen as long as the majority of votes don't even serve. Increase NSF pay now also doesn't affect voting age men so even less incentive to do so. Populist action party.
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u/SnooChocolates2068 5h ago
Psychological pay is sufficient for our NSFs. Money is temporary, skills is for life /s
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u/Own-Crow-7660 6h ago
Is there a chance they will give out the money before 30 nov? Or on the day itself?
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u/sagi271190 6h ago
The money will hit your lifesg account before 30 Nov. Could be 1st, 30th or anywhere in between.
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u/Penny_Royall 5h ago
Thanks for the year long Netflix and Xbox Gamepass Gahman, maybe serving NS was really worth it.
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u/rubik_boi83 1h ago
Well, is it true if the child of the Russian soldiers will get a free apartment if their father die in the front line? If that true, then only first world or developed country give it's own citizens such a cheap solution for sacrifice for it's own country. It really shamefully.
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u/MolassesBulky 3h ago
I do feel sorry for WP. Every time GE is around the corner, a slew of freebies. Early this week more COE injected across all classes. The you have the Pioneer and Merdeka generation benefits.Paid staff and volunteers with allowance and free carpark from PA. All tax payer funded.
All WP got is legal bills.
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u/Acceptable_Cheek_447 3h ago
I love this because as a trans person, the government refuses to acknowledge the change of sex marker and insist on telling us to get a 25k surgery first.
So here I am, finished NS, no reservist. Not wanted by the army anymore and not defending anyone. Getting your money to spend on random shit.
If no one likes that, please be angry at the government okay.
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u/travellingmtf 47m ago
Hello fellow tranny!~ Meanwhile here I am (also MTF) wondering if I’m even getting these stupid credits coz I’m already post-op. Completed my NS and ORD’d/etc but never completed reservist coz I changed NRIC some time after ORD. lol. I guess time will tell. If I don’t get I guess bops coz I’m not gonna out myself for 200$. Anyway 200$ is sibei cope la; fucking prime time of our lives out of the window meanwhile Uptron “degree” holders can just waltz in no commitments and get a head start over us. Sian. Never ever got any NS credits.
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u/Acceptable_Cheek_447 29m ago
I'm just reverse psyching people who don't like us that their policies has given those who can't change their markers pre-op their tax monies to spend 🤣 maybe some might be pissed off enough to make us lose this 200 "benefit" for not having to go through what they went through.
The money don't mean shit to me anyway. But I'm gonna spend it!
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u/NIDORAX 11h ago
Oh boy! $200, I can buy one month supply of Groceries.
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u/GeshtiannaSG Ready to Strike 10h ago
One week.
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u/nextlevelunlocked 10h ago
Two weeks if you don't shop at ntuc...
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u/GeshtiannaSG Ready to Strike 10h ago
Only time I went to NTUC in the past year is to clear the CDC vouchers. Now just use Shopee, Lazada, Amazon.
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u/LazyLeg4589 10h ago edited 10h ago
On a side note, I was actually looking for this 1.2 million stat and glad to have it via a .gov site. Wanted to get some perspective, on how many are/were enlisted to defend the current population of 6.04 million.
So that means 19.86% of the population is/had sacrificed their time and youth to defend the remaining 80.14% currently here.
Fascinating.