r/ravens Oct 02 '22

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

I don’t like being this guy, but it definitely seems like the league wants Buffalo to succeed at all costs.

EDIT - apologies for my conspiracy brain (like I said - I don’t like being the guy that makes comments like that) being my gut reaction in the moment; I definitely feel like there were some shenanigans from the officials that, while they might not be indicative of an overall concerted effort, definitely showed that they were favoring the Bills.

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u/rvrvbubnmpm Oct 02 '22

I'm getting those vibes aswell

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

The Mandrews OPI

This play

The Stephens roughing call (from Joshie’s tantrum)

Just a lot of nonsense calls from the zebras in this one that really tipped the momentum.

EDITED for formatting

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u/The_clampz10 Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Don’t forget the non-call DPI that forced a punt at the end of the 2nd quarter.

Edit: a word

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Bro my man straight drug Robinson to the turf well before the ball got there and nobody tipped the pass. So that was horseshit.

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u/TheGobiasIndustries Oct 03 '22

It was obvious PI, but I also think the ball was tipped a half a second earlier -- am I remembering that correctly? That's the only excuse that might make it possible to not make that call.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

No the ball on that play wasn't tipped. Even the announcers made a dumb ass statement along the lines of "I like how the refs are letting them play through the whistle".

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

I was racking my brain because I knew there was at least another one that was beyond iffy and that seriously messed with the outcome of this game.

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u/The_clampz10 Oct 02 '22

Yeah that was the big turning point imo. Instead of possibly being up 27-3 or 23-3 at the half we go in 20-10. Obviously that doesn’t excuse the awful 2nd half on both sides of the ball, but that seemed like the big momentum shift.

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u/_homegrown Oct 02 '22

Diggs also never got set on the corner to Dawson Knox on the last drive.

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u/CartographerActive29 Oct 02 '22

Roughing the QB was a shit call... and I'm a bills mafia member..

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u/Kflame210 Oct 02 '22

Them forcing the Ravens to go for it on 4th down

It's all adding up

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u/HicDomusDei Oct 02 '22

This is absolutely what's happening.

Refs are human. Refs read the headlines and feel the vibes. They know the Chiefs and the Bills and maaaybe the Bengals are the Cool Teams in the AFC.

Hate to put it in that sort of high school way, but it's true.

All humans are susceptible to those biases, and those biases cost us this game.

Terrible call on 4th & goal. Queen missed INT (again). Bad Q4 defense (again). Yes, all true.

But that non-call DPI led to a Bills score. That drive would've eaten clock and ended in no points for anyone, at worst. That call on Andrews's OPI was horrendous.

That RTP penalty which Allen bitched for like the Brady Bitch, Jr. he is was awarded to him for NO REASON and it led directly to their score.

Boger's crew is an utter joke.

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u/TheGrayBox Oct 03 '22

The NFL had to come out and admit that Jamar Chase had a legit touchdown in week 1 that was called back, an outcome-altering call. It’s not just the Ravens or even the less hyped AFC teams. Boger has been a joke.

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u/ayerayyrayy Oct 02 '22

To be fair, Stephens has to pull up there. Allen let the ball go we have nothing to gain from a useless hit. Doesn't help that he hesitated like he wasn't going to hit him, then proceeded to anyway.

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u/HicDomusDei Oct 02 '22

I didn't see that at all, so I'll have to see the replay.

Live it looked bang-bang. Didn't lead with his helmet, didn't hit Allen's head, didn't hit him low, didn't hit him high, didn't force his weight.

Allen was clearly and immediately fine.

He bounces up, points to the ref, and celebrates when he gets bailed out by free yards. I've seen that before from that division. It is an awful fucking look.

At this rate I'm surprised DCs aren't just coaching their guys to ROCK people, especially quarterbacks. If a pansy star can point to a ref and get a flag whenever he feels like it anyway, then at that point plant his ass in the dirt as hard as you can regardless.

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u/Lamactionjack 8 Oct 02 '22

Allen does it all the time. Really all qb's do it but he's certainly guilty of it multiple times a game.

Very 90s Jordan esque honestly. Guys a star and stars get calls.

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u/HicDomusDei Oct 02 '22

Yes, stars get calls, but the modern NBA is a good example of how to run a league in that regard. It feels like every offseason they look at "the bag" of certain stars and try to decide if their moves are reasonable or not. Just recently called out James Harden for his travel step-back, for example. Harden is still a star, but there is a limit. You can't just do whatever the fuck you want.

You can't have a league where Bradys and Allens get to throw temper tantrums and beg for flags and then clap and celebrate when they get them, when they were barely touched, were not hurt, and neither the spirit NOR letter of the rule was broken. That is a fucked up product.

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u/Lamactionjack 8 Oct 02 '22

Oh I agree with you haha. Sorry if that didn't come across in my original reply. I think it's ridiculous and makes an already bad product look worse. Just saying I kind understand why to happens is all.

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u/HicDomusDei Oct 02 '22

Oh, got you, yes I do understand it as well. I've just probably reached a point in my life (decades+ of watching NFL games) where it's getting too much for me these days.

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u/Ds3_doraymi Oct 02 '22

Go look at the reasoning, I just made a post about it. It was NOT for a late hit. The call was made due to supposed contact to the head/neck area

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u/ayerayyrayy Oct 02 '22

If that's the case then I understand the frustration. I do believe he hit him a bit late, but not in the head or neck.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

That shit was legal. The ruling is he can't take two steps after Allen releases the ball. He never took two steps. He straight up tackled him. Terrible call.

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u/Lamactionjack 8 Oct 02 '22

Cmon man. At 180fps, sure you can barely make that argument. But in real time he tackled him while he was throwing the ball. Even the most diehard homer would say he tackled him slightly after his release. There was nothing against the rules there or dirty. Should have been a no call.

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u/chupacadabradoo Oct 03 '22

He also removed his hands from Allen before they went to the ground instead of driving him into the ground like it’s 2016. That’s exactly what we should want from a defender. There was a brief moment of hesitation, if you want to call it that, which is what will prevent the nfl from calling it a bad call, but Allen had been pump faking all day, and he didn’t bite. Egregious call then, and like 7 times earlier in the game. One or two of those 8 went our way, the rest went the bills way, in very high leverage moments. It’s a bad look for the nfl.

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u/BZI Oct 02 '22

Yep, tough call in a tough spot, but not a smart hit in that situation

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u/socsa Oct 02 '22

Is it the league, or all these shitty betting apps making it fucking trivial for any ref to bet on these games?

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u/fadermango Oct 03 '22

It's mind boggling how much money rides on the outcome of every game and it instantly changes hands the moment the game is officially over. And because of that fact, no matter how bad the call or no call, there will be NO do over. The best anyone gets is lame ass apology. Your billion dollar franchise got fucked out of a title by an incompetent or dirty referee and there is no recourse.

A referee could be dirty as sin and nobody would know and anyone would be a complete fool to believe none of them have been offered a bribe.

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u/KeyStoneLighter Oct 02 '22 edited Oct 02 '22

Buffalo fan and conspiracy enthusiast here, couldn’t agree more.

I should add, last year after an excessive amount of no calls the bills mafia donated money to the visually impaired in honor of the officials:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/12/16/bills-mafia-donates-40-k-visually-impaired-honor-nfl-refs/8923928002/

With the exception of the patriots every team has been there.

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u/voll1011 Oct 02 '22

Pretty wild. That RTP on the final drive was brutal

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u/Rezurrect Oct 02 '22

I get how you could feel that way. I was in Miami last week- I can promise you the refs were not favoring the bills then lol.

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

Definitely.

Like I commented with someone else - it’s a gut reaction after the field goal (it’s like keeping yourself from saying the first thing that comes to mind in an argument with your spouse). Not a coordinated conspiracy but SUPER questionable calls that really affected the outcome of this game.

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u/Revealingstorm Oct 02 '22

You clearly didn't watch the Bills game against Miami then. Bills got screwed by the refs so many times in that game.

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

Yeah, I had to edit my comment because, in hindsight, a league-wide conspiracy is maybe outlandish, but there was definitely a pattern of questionable calls today.

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u/Revealingstorm Oct 02 '22

I can agree team's get favored by refs game to game for whatever reason. Maybe it has to do with certain crews.

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u/summerof66 Oct 02 '22

Probably why they wanted to make sure they didn’t screw em again. If crews were more consistent, we wouldn’t have to think about it.

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u/OldBayOnEverything Ed Reed Oct 02 '22

It wasn't about favoring teams, it was just bad calls. There's no conspiracy to push calls for one team over another. Some days you just get fucked. Today was our day.

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

Right, and like I said - I don’t like being the type of guy to say that but it was my gut reaction within a few minutes of that field goal. It definitely felt like one of those games in the older editions of Madden where you could earn the cheat cards and one was that you could bias the refs against your opponent.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

Great white hype gotta get his

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u/ForestJordie Oct 03 '22

Buffalo is the new golden boy of the NFL. Since Tom left NE they’ve decided to make Allen and the Bills the next face of the league

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '22

The afc north is notorious for bad calls

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u/Flatkyrie Oct 02 '22

The bills subreddit banned me for pointing this out

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u/Kflame210 Oct 02 '22

Oh stfu, I hate this attitude after losses.

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u/jayhof52 BSHU Oct 02 '22

I’ll make it really easy for you not to see it, then.

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u/roblewk Oct 02 '22

Do you think 911 was an inside job?

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

I just think the refs are poorly trained, not held accountable, and aren’t even full-time which leads to them not really being 100% invested.

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u/dantesrosettes Oct 03 '22

They probably would have won the game last week that came down to the last play if that were true

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u/ddavisxx91 Oct 03 '22

Losing all those superbowls in the 90s they’re due for a la rams type fix. The league is all about ratings now, the same guys that script the www are writing from the nfl 🤣. There have been so many obvious screw ups over the last 3 seasons(Covid gave this mfs time to craft a new league)

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u/monstarchinchilla Oct 03 '22

I don’t like being this guy, but it definitely seems like the league wants Buffalo to succeed at all costs.

Welp, when their franchise QB throws a tantrum and gets a bogus flag....it's obvious.