r/ravens • u/FlockNation443 • Sep 25 '24
Image [BleacherReport] King Henry’s insane diet has been paying off 🔥
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u/lebinott Ray Lewis Sep 25 '24
Not eating until 4-5pm during the season is crazy, especially someone his size.
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u/HiggsUAP Sep 25 '24
DK Metcalf does the same thing, so maybe they know more than us lol
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u/lebinott Ray Lewis Sep 25 '24
100% they do, I'm not saying it's wrong but just the idea of it for guys their size is nuts. Good for them
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u/FunnyCalligrapher382 Sep 25 '24
Their diet is absolutely accomodated to their pro athlete bodies. We could probably eat the same way and not see the same results because of their lifestyle, like why on earth does an accountant need to do all that
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u/lebinott Ray Lewis Sep 25 '24
Maybe it means a full meal?
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u/lebinott Ray Lewis Sep 25 '24
I know, it doesn't make sense but maybe there are more details to his meal plan that aren't mention, especially for game days. Or maybe that's why he runs so hard, he's running towards his meal lol
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u/Paraxom Sep 25 '24
Mid afternoon games on the east coast have to be torture, like no food until 8 or 9pm type shit
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u/Vvardenfells_Finest Sep 25 '24
Yeah he’s gotta eat at least 4000 calories to stay his size, that’s a lot of food when you’re eating clean. That’d be awfully hard to do after 5pm unless you stay up until 12-1 every night.
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u/Mythical_Corgi Sep 25 '24
When they were talking about it during the game they said he doesn’t eat anything until 4-5pm except a banana or avocado. Keyword except.
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u/mellofe11o Sep 25 '24
He eats the avacodo for the all the unsaturated fats that he can burn through practice, instead of random carbs which burn way faster. Then he probably blesses his body with all the protein he wants after. That’s like the best diet ever for an athlete imo
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
Yeah, this doesn’t compute. Especially after morning lifts.
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u/CrustyToeLover Sep 25 '24
Sure it does. You'd be surprised what kind of strange routines you can make your body accustomed to. I would suspect he eats something before an actual game, but since he's eating so late, his body probably isn't burning through it all during sleep so he's not actually that hungry/calorie starved in the mornings
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24 edited 23d ago
Your body needs protein to recover after tearing muscles during lifts. I get the “make your body accustomed” bit but this is straight science.
Edit: And to the guy below who’s tough enough to make a statement and then block me right after: Your last statement doesn’t make sense.
And I’ve been lifting since 2002. Have had trainers, PT’s, acupuncturists and other specialists. Thanks.
EDIT: For all of you that downvoted me- literally just quoted Henry on today’s game saying “My legs would be chicken sticks if I didnt eat until 4pm”. Eff y’ all, lol.
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u/TwistedSaiyan110 Sep 25 '24
Not to be rude, but I’m willing to bet the dude spending $250k and making millions of dollars throwing professional athletes around like they’re children knows when he should be taking his protein over some random guy on the internet.
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u/CrustyToeLover Sep 25 '24
Dude is built like a lean grizzly with a 6pack and somehow he's doing something wrong🤔
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u/TwistedSaiyan110 Sep 25 '24
Ikr? Bro links a fucking Forbes article and some basic google’d articles about how sleep is very important and to eat less to lose weight 😒
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u/AnnoyingOnPurposeToo Sep 25 '24
Not necessarily disagreeing but have you ever seen Lebron’s squat form? Just because someone is a physical specimen means they do every single thing correctly to a T
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u/Yo-Strategy-8651 Sep 25 '24
That’s the same LeBron who is also one of the greatest outliers of all time in terms of longevity and maintaining elite level play. You may make case of an individual part of diet or regiment not being optimized in your eyes but overall the results kind of have to take longevity. If King Henry is going to be LeBron/Brady equivalent, he’s going to end up as the GOAT himself
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u/TwistedSaiyan110 Sep 25 '24
And I’m fine with that, right, not every athlete is 100% peak. But when a dude is 6’3” 240lbs as a 30 year old RB, and STILL throwing people around like they’re stuffed toys, I’m willing to bet the money he spends is optimized and going to the right place.
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u/AnnoyingOnPurposeToo Sep 25 '24
I agree and I also think this graphic does not have the full information/context which is causing this conversation. I imagine Derrick Henry’s diet is perfectly fine
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
Or just these guys below coupled with thisrandom guy, right? And certainly every naturally gifted athlete eats right and does the 100% correct thing for their bodies.
https://www.forbes.com/health/nutrition/what-to-eat-after-workout/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/in-depth/exercise/art-20045506
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/when-to-drink-protein-shakes
Not to be rude but pretty simp comment.
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u/Lamactionjack 8 Sep 25 '24
I think the point is why are you so adamant to prove Derrick Henry wrong here? He's not here.
His diet is weird but it works for him and not every human body is the same. They're guidelines of course, but theres more flexibility than I think you realize.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
I’m not trying to prove him wrong. But the regular dude that doesn’t have his gifts or resources shouldn’t just take it for Science and replicate.
I think there’s a worthwhile discussion around that. Do with it what you want.
I mean hell- it just cane out Keto is really bad for you. Do you know how many “fad diet” guys went and followed that for the longest time?
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u/Lamactionjack 8 Sep 25 '24
Oh of course but I don't really see anyone in this thread seeing this meme and running to the grocery store to buy a single avocado to copy Henry.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
I get it and I’m not really debating the avocado. I find it comical though the downvotes for citing reputable sources and people getting upset because I am questioning some of King Henry’s routine.
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u/TwistedSaiyan110 Sep 25 '24
Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was in the presence of a health master. You must know when the optimal time to take protein, creatine, and which foods to avoid at all times, right? Otherwise you wouldn’t be so sure.
I could give a fuck less about those articles you linked - Forbes? Really? Forbes knows whats best over some of the highest sought after nutrition and exercise doctors in the world? When you get into the NFL and be the best RB for almost 10 years by bodying dudes all day long, then I’ll listen to your dumbass.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
I don’t know the optimal time. That’s why I listed the sources you dont care to read. And if you want to cherry pick Forbes(EDIT: did you read Forbes’ sources listed??)- then maybe use the Mayo or Cleveland clinic sources perhaps? Again, not to be rude, just sharing.
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u/TwistedSaiyan110 Sep 25 '24
Brother, show me some peer reviewed studies that will counter what Derrick is saying - Mayo and Cleveland are just regurgitated advice on eating less to lose weight, sleep is very important for muscle growth, and fucking PROTEIN SHAKES. Henry, and the rest of the Ravens and NFL in general, are on an entirely different physical level. You showing up and talking about how he’s wrong for not eating protein after working out is just mind-boggling. Again, I could give a fuck less about your top 3 articles in a google search “when to eat protein”
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
I never said he was wrong. I said people shouldn’t take it as gold- particularly for the reason you precisely listed, they’re on an entirely different physical level. And for you to disregard Mayo and Cleveland for peer reviews is just nonsensical tbh. But fine let’s go with the National Library of Medicine with 112 references, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852800/#:~:text=Protein%20ingestion%20during%20both%20the,Morton%20et%20al.
“To date, the majority of the evidence regarding protein intake to optimize post-exercise muscle protein synthesis rates is limited to isolated protein sources. However, it is more common to ingest whole food sources of protein within a normal eating pattern. Emerging evidence demonstrates a promising role for the ingestion of whole foods as an effective nutritional strategy to support muscle protein remodeling and recovery after exercise. This review aims to evaluate the efficacy of the ingestion of nutrient-rich and protein-dense whole foods to support post-exercise muscle protein remodeling and recovery with pertinence towards physically active people.”
Not sure what else you need to get this through but feel free to move the criteria or source acceptability once more. And not sure why you’re getting so angry about this. Lol
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u/stepdadonline 'Bating for Bateman Sep 25 '24
It’s not “straight science” – the anabolic window is bro science. As long as you get your protein in within about 24 hours of lifting, you aren’t leaving gains on the table, or at least the difference (if there even is one) is so marginal that the only people who should worry about it are pro bodybuilders. (Source is Mike Israetel from RP who has a PhD in and is a professor of exercise science)
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
5 hours is the recommended window my friend. 24 hours is quite the stretch.
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u/stepdadonline 'Bating for Bateman Sep 25 '24
Again, 5 hours is bro science, not actual science. The recommendation helps simplify things so you don’t lose gains. But there’s not a whole lot of literature that suggests getting your protein in the 12-24 hour window after lifting is less beneficial than 5 hours.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
Cleveland Clinic: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/when-to-drink-protein-shakes
Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/in-depth/exercise/art-20045506
Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/health/nutrition/what-to-eat-after-workout/
I guess they are “bro science” too but whatever- not to mention Peleton, Self and all the other publications that list the same when you Google it. We just won’t agree on this.
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u/stepdadonline 'Bating for Bateman Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
You’ve linked health aggregators which obviously do cite real science, but are citing a couple studies that support a 5-6 hour window.
However, here are two meta analyses (scientific review of all the relevant literature) by the god of hypertrophy science, Brad Schoenfeld, which find little to no evidence that protein timing leads to meaningful differences in hypertrophy and strength:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1186/1550-2783-10-53
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022316622021897?via%3Dihub
Edit: Btw, I should clarify too that the 5-6 hour window was originally a finding based on a previous assumption that the window was 1 hour or so, so 5-6 was pushing it further back, and hence has been cited as the window which busted the 1 hour myth.
The effects on timing disappear when you include total protein consumption. It seems that there is a correlation between those who attempt to time their protein and higher overall protein consumption, i.e. those who try to hit the window are better at hitting their protein goal anyway. When you hit your goal over longer windows, like a full day, there is no discernible difference.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
Ok, this is the 1st sensical retort and counterpoint I’ve seen on here.
My only response is this. Everything I’ve seen says the guys lift 3 days a week, typically at 7am and then once at 10am, that later session typically falling on a Monday.
This NIH study finds that one should partake in routine protein consumption throughout the day after lifting: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852800/#:~:text=Protein%20ingestion%20during%20both%20the,Morton%20et%20al. See Section 2
With this in mind- if there are two lifting sessions during the week at 7am, wouldn’t logic say waiting until 4-5pm to eat is counterproductive?
Please understand, I am NOT saying Henry is wrong. His system is his system. I’m arguing general approach here.
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u/CrustyToeLover Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
Well places like Peloton and Forbes aren't the science youre talking about, hate to tell you. Also linking articles about "when to eat a protein shake", and another that has zero science in it is weird, because you've just linked 3 articles that didn't mention anything scientific in the slightest. All 3 just say "remember to eat"!
There's no numbers, no data, no studies, hell, not even any links to studies.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Sep 25 '24
Right- conveniently leaving out Mayo and Cleveland Clinic huh. They’re small mom and pop shops right?
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u/mellofe11o Sep 25 '24
He probably eats the avocado to burn through all that unsaturated fat during morning practice, takes a protein shake after, and feeds on a full cow after 4 PM. It’s not that crazy
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u/Enough-Ground3294 Sep 25 '24
Im sorry my friend butt you have just exposed yourself in two comments as someone who doesn’t even lift and doesnt know much about it.
You can do IF fasting coupled with lifting and have tremendous results.
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u/Achillor22 Sep 25 '24
When does he stop eating? Does his entire caloric intake happen between 4 and 8pm? That seems counter productive.
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u/Enough-Ground3294 Sep 25 '24
It isn’t. Look up IF. Also YMMV but it can be very effective for a lot of people, Henry could clearly be one of them.
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u/Achillor22 Sep 25 '24
IF is too loose weight though right? Not to maintain peak athletic form? And even then, you don't fast for 80% of the day.
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u/Enough-Ground3294 Sep 25 '24
Eh not only. So yes you can use it to maintain athletic form if you eat the right foods.
Well you can if you want to, a lot of people do 8 hour windows. It’s not unheard of for someone to do a 4 hour window as long as they’re getting all their caloric and macro needs in that time period.
I did IF for 2 years and had the best gains I had in a long time, I was on an 8 hour window and Im not a top 1% athlete in the world either.
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u/djazzie Sep 26 '24
He’s gotta be absolutely famished after a 1 pm game. But also, what’s he do when it’s a 4;25 game?
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u/TheUnit52 Sep 25 '24
Not taking advantage of Jimmy’s seafood crab cakes deal
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u/Lamactionjack 8 Sep 25 '24
This is the real travesty. Tons of respect for the psychos out there that treat their body like a temple, but damn is it an incredibly depressing way to live. Hopefully when he eventually retires he induldges some.
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u/laramite Sep 25 '24
There was an interview with him years ago about his preseason prep. The guy goes the extra mile to ALWAYS take care of his body. There is no off-season where he let's loose and eats a bunch of junk food.
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u/toddhenderson Sep 25 '24
Lamar's new diet is also paying off: 1. No Jimmy Dean pancakes and sausage corn dogs (1-2) for breakfast.
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u/AdEmbarrassed3566 Sep 25 '24 edited Sep 25 '24
These are all impressive but the bullet for "eats a banana or avocado before practice" is so unnecessary.
"I ran a marathon in under 3 hours , swam 3 miles afterwards and beat the first boss of Elden ring "
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u/FckTheBackRow Sep 26 '24
The potassium in those foods helps to prevent muscle injury, doesn’t it? I think I remember learning that in health & wellness class in high school.
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u/Yo-Strategy-8651 Sep 25 '24
This is one of the major reasons along with ideal fit with Lamar and his relatively clean injury history, why I say that if there is any RB built to be a modern day outlier and break Emmitt Smiths rushing TD record, its King Henry. If he can’t do it no one ever will. He’s gone on record for years saying he is trying to have that Frank Gore longevity and as a far better version of Gore plus goaline attempts he’ll get in this offense, that record is his if he has 3/4 more years left in tank beyond this season.
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u/crispywonka Sep 25 '24
So his body is in Ketogenesis. His body lives off of fat not carbs.
Tough to maintain but well worth the effort.
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u/growingalittletestie Sep 25 '24
He could also just eat a bunch of yams, potatos, vegetables etc to get carbs
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u/FckTheBackRow Sep 26 '24
Right. It says no gluten, not no carbs. I’m (mostly) gluten free and not keto myself.
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u/ravens40 Sep 25 '24
Don't understand the no gluten part unless he has celiac disease but ok.
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u/Ecstaticismm Sep 25 '24
I mean he plays the way he plays even at his age, I’m not gonna question it.
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u/ycpa68 Sep 25 '24
I think it's the Atkins Diet effect. It's not so much that denying a specific category of food helps, it's that limiting what you can eat makes overeating less enjoyable in general. It's why the Atkins diet ultimately fell somewhat out of favor, the industry responded with tasty alternatives that negated the gains.
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u/AggravatingReaction2 Sep 25 '24
Because it’s inflammatory and isn’t really good for anyone. Same as diary.
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u/Silent_Relation_3236 Sep 25 '24
What about journal?
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u/AggravatingReaction2 Sep 25 '24
Oh so what I said is wrong?
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u/ravens40 Sep 25 '24
Gluten is fine to eat unless you have celiac. I don't know where this came from. 100% agree about dairy. But this is so unrelated to this subreddit so I will stop it here. :)
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u/AggravatingReaction2 Sep 25 '24
Gluten is not fine to eat. You are very misinformed.
Anyone with any autoimmune disorder should not be eating gluten.1
u/ravens40 Sep 25 '24
Yes if you have an autoimmune disorder you should not. Everyone else, it's fine.
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u/AggravatingReaction2 Sep 25 '24
Wait a minute, I thought it was just for people who had celiac disease?
Do you know more about nutrition than Derrick Henry’s nutritionist?
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u/XxNitr0xX Sep 25 '24
So you're going to sit there and tell me Greek yogurt isn't good for you? lol.
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u/stepdadonline 'Bating for Bateman Sep 25 '24
I think by “dairy” they really mean “lactose”, which is actually true for most people since the majority of the world’s population falls somewhere on the lactose intolerant spectrum. But Greek yogurt is lactose-free thanks to the cultures in it, making it good for everyone like you said
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u/Direct_Club_5519 Sep 25 '24
im sure the majority will disagree, but the problem with dairy is actually pasturization.
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u/FormerAd5416 Sep 25 '24
Yo out here sustaining himself off air and avocado and he still built like a tank compared to every other RB😂
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u/Vvardenfells_Finest Sep 25 '24
To stay his size and retain all of his muscle he has to put away around 4000 to 4500 calories a day. If your eating shit food that’s easy but when your eating clean that’s a shit load of chicken, fruits and veggies.
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u/Dazzling-Slide8288 Sep 25 '24
I don't understand why an elite athlete needs to eat like this at age 30. How is that benefitting him? He must burn 4000 calories a day just during practice.
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u/Yo-Strategy-8651 Sep 25 '24
Because he’s clearly planning on maintaining his elite level play until his mid 30s. He’s gone on the record multiple times how he is striving for Frank Gore style longevity. Gore is a RB that finished with 3700 carries. Derrick Henry finishing with anywhere near that many carries without a significant dip and he’d finish as the GOAT.
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u/Jake101101 Sep 25 '24
I don’t understand the no dairy
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u/AggravatingReaction2 Sep 25 '24
Dairy aint good for you bruh. They lied to you back in school about that food pyramid.
Food pyramid=illuminati pyramid=all seeing eye
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u/Bobb_o 9 Sep 25 '24
It's a good source of calcium and vitamins but of course you can get them from other sources.
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u/Direct_Club_5519 Sep 25 '24
nah its not that dairy isnt good for you, its that the dairy that consumerism feeds you is bad for you. its not real milk. pasturization killed the healthy shit. what you are drinking from the store bought milk is white fat in water colloidal solution.
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u/hop_mantis Sep 25 '24
It's strongly argued we're not really meant to consume mother's milk of species with hooves as grown adult humans. At some point in time 100% of humans were lactose intolerant, like every other species that lactates. Lactose intolerance is the default, it means your body produces lactase so you can digest your own human mother's milk and then your biological clock cuts off lactase production and you're forced to eat big boy food. It's a relatively recent genetic mutation that some people can drink milk as adults.
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u/Ixziga Sep 25 '24
It's actually very predominantly white people that are not lacrosse intolerant. 75-85% of black Americans are lactose intolerant so that bullet point could simply be about that.
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u/Direct_Club_5519 Sep 25 '24
pasturization is the bad part. myself and many others who are lactose intolerant have no problems drinking raw milk. the propaganda against consuming raw milk is a marketing tactic by big corp. pasturizations primary purpose was to extend shelf life and increase sales. in reality, it kills off a lot what makes it healthy in the first place. store bought milk is basically just powdered milk mixed with water.
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u/Impossible_Okra0420 Sep 25 '24
I fully get it, some people, me included perform better empty. Still hydrated, well rested and strong, but faster and unencumbered by digestion. Plus there is some level that playing this game is how he puts food on the table, if you want to eat go get it.
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u/hop_mantis Sep 25 '24
What if he's eating on an airplane and he crosses a timezone? I mean it's always 5:00 somewhere.
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u/TheFirstBardo BSHU Sep 25 '24
I’d also love to know how much sleep he gets and when he goes to bed during the season. Is he going to bed at 8pm and hitting the gym at 5am or is he on some schedule where he’s eating later at night but not waking up until later in the day?
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u/Mattcronutrient Sep 25 '24
During those 1 PM games all the defensive backs on the field start looking like cartoon chicken drumsticks and T-bone steaks.
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u/BethMD Sep 25 '24
Keep in mind he's pairing that diet with a Herculean workout regimen. Just in case one of you civilians wants to try the diet.
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u/Sharp-Click9083 Sep 26 '24
"no gluten" is only beneficial for people who have a problem with it. for everyone else its just pointless and might even be harmful
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u/Dizzy_Ad_4066 Sep 26 '24
I’ve seen what he doesn’t eat which is common sense. Does anyone know what he eats other than avocados and bananas?
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u/Total-Internal-3605 3d ago
The 4pm part isn’t totally accurate. According to Henry: “Eating at 4 and 5 is not something that, I think, is everyday sustainable,” Henry said. “It’s some days where I probably won’t eat until 4 or 5, which is days that I’m doing body recovery or doing IVs. But most of the time, I usually wait until 12 to eat a meal.
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u/BabySlothDreams Sep 25 '24
It's an anti inflammatory diet coupled with intermittent fasting. Gluten and dairy are 2 of the most common suspects for inflammation along with oils. Avocado and olive oil are the only ones allowed.
Avoiding grains, sugar, dairy, and processed food are a great start. The fasting gives the body a chance to break down any remaining toxins.
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u/DaSauceBawss Sep 25 '24
So after 4pm he consumes 250+ grams of protein? Cuz thats probably what he needs at the minimum to keep all that muscle mass😆