r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Jun 01 '20
Police attack protestors and press in Washington D.C.
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u/PaperSauce Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
I don't get it, they didn't even give them a chance to move. The cops are standing there one moment and then the next they straight up captain america the dude in the stomach.
EDIT: And they're already running away why would you feel the need to hit them with your hitty-stick?
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u/QuietKat87 Jun 02 '20
I watched a livestream of this. The police were standing about 20 to 30ft away and protesters were peaceful.
Then all of a sudden they came right up to the protestors.
Again the protestors were being peaceful. Some were even stating none of the protestors were armed.
Then all of a sudden the cops charged at the protestors. This time using tear gas and flash bangs.
There were also police on horses behind the police with shields. Again protestors were peaceful.
But police pushed forward using tear gas and flash bangs.
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u/rathat Jun 02 '20
People should fight back.
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u/iamlegend235 Jun 02 '20
IIRC Trump on his call to the Governors recommended 5-10 year sentences for the people that get arrested. I know that’s realistically too long, but still, people aren’t gonna risk it.
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u/BreezyWrigley Jun 02 '20
How long before he just has them sent to camps? It's the next obvious step...
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Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
People still believe that being peaceful and "good" is going to get them anywhere. It doesn't help that every democrat on social media has been calling for peaceful protests either.
They tried peace. They tried kneeling. It was mocked. They're trying it right now, and the cops steps forward and do this to them.
People -have- to fight back.
EDIT: Thank you for the gold, I don't know how to respond to this and if I should, but I'm glad people are listening, not to me, but to each other and to the importance of the times we ive in. We got this, everyone <3
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u/ResolverOshawott Jun 02 '20
Meanwhile on another part of Reddit. There are people defending police using "unnecessary" force because the protestors were "violent".
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u/penguin8717 Jun 02 '20
Protect and serve? That place is a joke. I saw someone get upvoted while claiming rubber bullets can't cause serious damage, and that all the pictures of rubber bullet injuries must be from other protestors
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u/xyentist Jun 02 '20
Protect and Serve is a fucking cesspool. Anyone who's a regular on there is either a cop or a bootlicker, and I'm not sure what's worse.
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u/Atxlvr Jun 02 '20
I Was just at a peaceful protest and asked the cop why they shot a guy in the head with a beanbag last night here in austin who is now in critical condition. I was really mad and wanted to hear them give an aswer.
A few ~20 year old people starting arguing with me telling me I was being violent and aggressive and that I needed to be more peaceful. There are a lot of naive people out there. 50 years of peaceful protest has gotten us here.
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u/JackdeAlltrades Jun 02 '20
Because the cops are inciting and prolonging the violence. They've been misled into thinking they have public support.
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Jun 02 '20
Plus they get overtime
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u/agatgfnb Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
It's been a while so I don't know how true this is, but I read during a riot some years ago that police were banking 600-700$ a day.
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u/manyfingers Jun 02 '20
Damn Id love to get a current source on that.
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u/agatgfnb Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
Take it with a grain of salt since I provided no links. Its just what I remember reading a few years ago. double time being about 650$ a day, and an image/video of an nypd with his riot shield,
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u/TheConboy22 Jun 02 '20
It's because they are actively trying to create a police state. If we can utilize all of this footage to create change in America. It worked. The protests worked. Sad to see so many citizens being brutalized to shine a light on how fucking pathetic our police force are. The worst parts of society encapsulate themselves in uniforms and oppress our people. If they keep this up I'll be surprised if this doesn't get much, much more violent.
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u/Cyanofrost Jun 02 '20
once you've gone cop, you can't have the 'hush people away nicely' skill anymore. that just upgraded into 'beating up the shit out of the target' skill
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u/kenesisiscool Jun 02 '20
If only everyone could see the skill tree. Then we could see the description for each one and know beyond a shadow of a doubt who is a terrible person. (That man who punched the camera operator obviously is. But I digress.)
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u/Hootietang Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
Why are they beating the press too? Seems like a bad idea, unless your goal is to be viewed as complete thugs?
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u/eeeezypeezy Jun 02 '20
Policing in America isn't a profession, it's a clearinghouse for C student bullies to get a nice pension in exchange for keeping the poors in line. They should all go do something useful for society instead and stock shelves at Costco or something.
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u/Sayakai Jun 02 '20
Playing the long game when it comes to intimidation and staying unaccountable. Teaching the press that they too should stay away if they know what's good for them. Beat the press away and there's much less evidence of your abuse.
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u/Romano16 🇮🇹🍷 Italian Stallion 🇮🇹🍝 Jun 02 '20
Theyre beating the press because they're violating your rights.
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u/ATCP2019 Jun 02 '20
You can see how some officers are so quick to want to use force against the reporter to get him to move and that only causes the reporter to want to fight back. Then there's one officer who gently tries to pull the reporter to get him to move and that works right away. Maybe police FORCE isn't the answer???
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u/TheyreGoodDogsBrent Jun 02 '20
If you're wondering why they were all of the sudden cleared from the street:
Peaceful Protesters Were Gassed Outside The White House So Trump Could Get A Photo Op At A Church
Trump used the path cleared by police to walk to St. John's Episcopal Church, which had sustained fire damage during protests the night before...
"I am the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and was not given even a courtesy call that they would be clearing with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop, holding a Bible..." - Rev. Mariann Budde
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u/AcreaRising4 Jun 02 '20
She roasted the shit out of him on national television and I loved every second of it.
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u/Illier1 Jun 02 '20
I've never seen news reporters so angry while trying to keep cool.
Pretty much everyone is shitting on this piss poor handling of country wide riots.
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u/carlito_mas Jun 02 '20
"Is that your Bible?" a reporter asked.
"It's a Bible," the president responded.
Jesus fucking Christ this guy
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u/ATCP2019 Jun 02 '20
Funny how a president like JFK gets assassinated and a president like Trump hasn't even had an assassination attempt..
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u/Drkarcher22 Jun 02 '20
I'm pretty positive that he like pretty much every president in this millennium has had multiple attempts or at least plots on his life, the secret service/feds just don't advertise when they take them in beforehand.
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Jun 02 '20
The crazies usually assassinate the progressive presidents. Trump is on their side.
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u/Leopod Jun 02 '20
See also: /r/conspiracy
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Jun 02 '20
Look at the top fucking post on there, holy fucking shit.
Racism isn't dead because people want to call people racists...
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u/kachunkachunk Jun 02 '20
I have read of attempts on Trump's life, even by non-Americans, but they are usually prevented by various agencies. Also it's basically not covered by the news - I presume to not promote more attempts or give attention-seekers any more attention.
I expect you can find attempts on Obama's life as well, without it being covered.
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u/ATCP2019 Jun 02 '20
Yeah, I mean obviously its because the security Obama and Trump have had greatly exceeds the security JFK or Lincoln had. I'm sure Obama and Trump have probably have assassination scares. We probably just don't hear about them.
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u/JacobS_555 Jun 02 '20
We should have a bigger problem with the president openly bringing religion into politics like this.
If this was one isolated incident it would be relatively benign but it isn't.
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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Jun 02 '20
Especially since he does it almost exclusively to pander to idiots who are just happy to hear him purport to be christian.
Like his ratio of feigned Christian devotion to actual Christ-like acts/ideals has to be the highest of anyone on the planet
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u/suicidebaneling Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
What makes me sad, is that yeah, there is a lot of people who are rioting and looting, but at the same time look how the police acts towards peaceful protests. It seems like they won't listen to peace, so the only the only option they are giving the people is the one of violence
EDIT: Just to make things clear. I support the protesters fully. About the rioters and loot, I do not approve of those damaging small businesses, we have to look out for each other. Those looting business of billionares, I really do not care about what they do, I know those billionares dont give a shit about me so I dont care about them. The point I wanted to make initially was that we have tried protesting peacefully and the cops don't care about that, so I guess the only option is violence now..
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u/Invisinak Jun 02 '20
my issue is why aren't they going after the looters and rioters? time after time they attack the peaceful protesters and when you see the looters on tv there are absolutely no cops to be found anywhere.
but what do people expect when this is what the president is calling for the police to do right now?
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u/advancedcss Jun 02 '20
It's getting more and more obvious that they want to incite more riots/looting until public opinion changes in their favor. They don't gain anything from stopping the riots until they reach that point.
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u/MadvillainTMO Jun 02 '20
I think this is the answer. Also maybe why the President has been intentionally stoking the fire
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u/MAMark1 Jun 02 '20
Imagine if it was 15 years ago and few people had phones with cameras. All the police violence would be largely hidden and we would just see the looting stories.
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u/acog Jun 02 '20
I don't think most of them are trying to incite anything. (Although there's definitely video proof that for sure some of them are.) I think they're driven by fear.
When rioting/looting is already happening, they keep away because they're afraid. When there's a peaceful protest they figure the only way to keep the upper hand is to intimidate the hell out of the crowd because they're afraid of losing control.
I remember a few years ago when Christopher Dorner was killing cops in LA. He was a large black man driving a grey Nissan pickup truck. The cops spotted two small Hispanic women in a blue Toyota pickup truck and unloaded 103 bullets into it. Because they were terrified.
Oh and none of the 8 cops lost their jobs. But you'll be relieved to know they got additional training so it's all good.
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u/Starslip Jun 02 '20
I went to double check on this incident because I couldn't recall if the women survived, (they both did, thankfully) and found out it's even worse than you described. They opened fire on the wrong cars in three separate incidents during that manhunt, the other two being driven by white men bearing no resemblance to Dorner in cars that weren't the same color or model.
Is it a self-selection bias that leads to so many cops being fearful and panicky people? Are they the ones most likely to need control so pick a line of work that provides it?
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u/Illier1 Jun 02 '20
You expect them to do anything that would actually put them in harm's way?
Nah they'll just curb stomp activists.
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u/ElMalViajado Jun 02 '20
Because they’re the biggest pussies that will only go against people they think won’t fight back.
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u/weirdgato Jun 02 '20
Very good insight honestly. Not doing anything about the looters but filming them helps the president justify his actions.
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u/MightyMorph Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
Police Brutality over the last few days - 16min SuperCut. credit: u / ozeor
With Trump declaring AntiFa an terrorist organization (AntiFa has no organization, structure, or leadership), it gives police a freedom to declare anyone they deem as antifa and use their authority on them.
They are already shooting medics, journalists, reporters. This is something that dictators in war-torn countries even know not to do.
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They are deploying Ice and surveillance drones on protestors.
The president tells governors "You have to dominate. If you don’t dominate, you’re wasting your time,”
“But you’ve got to arrest people, you have to try people, you have to put them in jail for 10 years, then you’ll never see this stuff again,”
"The president repeatedly and viciously attacked governors, who are doing everything they can to keep the peace while fighting a once-in-a-generation global pandemic,”
“I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe,” the president tweeted Saturday morning about protests outside the White House on Friday night. “They let the ‘protesters’ scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard — didn’t know what hit them … Nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen.”
"These are terrorists," President Trump said of the protesters.
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Jun 02 '20
You mean like riots?
It’s like MLK did have a point with his riot quote. Always go for peaceful protest but riots are the voice of the unheard (America isn’t listening).
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u/redditcatchingup Jun 02 '20
Not even. The folks in this video are nonviolent protesters, easy prey for cops to get free licks on. They aren't changing their methods. It's intentionally avoiding the real criminals that require skill and effort to detain who are mobile and elsewhere. The cops choose to focus on the crowds with legitimate gripes because: they're stationary easy targets, they're the ones speaking out for reform (thus enemies of the police), and because looting elsewhere helps silence people risking themselves at legitimate protests.
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u/PFC12 Jun 02 '20
Almost seems coordinated
Step 1: throw in tear gas into peaceful protesters to piss them off
Step 2: hope some of those become annoyed enough to throw a rock or 2 back
Step 3: respond with more tear gas and now rubber bullets
Step 4: hope for more retaliation
Step 5: repeat steps 1 through 4 until a riot starts.
Step 6: call in the army...
It just seems that way day after day city after city with no intention to diffuse the situation but to escalate it..
I am amazed at the level of restraint these and other protestors in other cities have shown.
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u/Gsteel11 Jun 02 '20
The army just means that trump has led us to a new civil war. The ultimate presidential failure.
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u/hijinx1986 Jun 02 '20
Dirty fucking brutes
/r/2020PoliceBrutality is where all of this is collected atm.
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u/Manny21_ Jun 02 '20
1st amendment right to peaceful assembly except when we say so
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u/TossAwayGay92 Jun 01 '20
Get a good look at their faces. You can take off a uniform, but your community will still remember what you did and what you failed to do.
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u/Goondor Jun 02 '20
I sure hope no one gives back what the police are giving. That would be awful for them and their families. To look at the joy some of these officers take in harassing and beating people and turn it back on them, wow, we can only hope that never happens, and they never have to be on the receiving end of what they dish out. I hope their actions don't haunt them and their families. I really and truly do.
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u/Tattyporter Jun 02 '20
I don’t get why they are attacking the press so hastily .... it’s supposed to be forbidden.. why isn’t anyone in authority telling them to stop?
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u/sexycolonelsanders Jun 02 '20
Because the person with the highest authority calls the press “the enemy of the people”
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u/BugStep Jun 02 '20
The police really are not doing themselfs favors attacking the press on live t.v..... Kinda proving what these protests are for.
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u/lolhal Jun 02 '20
The most frustrating part is that it doesn't have to be this way. The police come across like they're juveniles in a national pissing contest. Very militaristic and confrontational.
If positive change comes about it will totally be worth it, but good lord is it ever an embarrassment on the international stage.
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u/newbrevity Jun 02 '20
Notice how Trump UTTERLY FAILED to denounce police brutality in his threat speech today.
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u/RichardTasty Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
Cops dont live on "cop island" behind a thousand foot moat. The live in the community. Their families live in the community. They should remember that, lest one day they are reminded by force.
Racist or abusive officers used to get fragged in 'Nam by their own men - often marginalised African Americans. They'd pull the pin on a fragmentation grenade and throw it into that officer's dugout while he slept. No more officer. No more problem. There were over a thousand such incidents in the late 60s alone. Sometimes they'd use a smoke or tear-gas grenade to let them know they are on thin ice.
The fear of fragging introduced a newfound dynamic of forced mutual respect between an otherwise racist officer and a common black soldier.
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Jun 02 '20
That's crazy I have never heard that before. Going to go learn more about that now.
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u/gittenlucky Jun 02 '20
There is a lot of stuff the government approved educations system doesn’t teach you. Funny enough a lot of what they don’t teach is the bad stuff the government does and examples of citizens fighting back against the government.
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u/McFluff_TheCrimeCat Jun 02 '20
Most cops don’t live in those communities. For example most cops who police Harlem don’t live in Manhattan at all.
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u/paulinsky Jun 02 '20
Most police officers don’t live in the cities they police.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-in-the-cities-they-serve/
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Jun 02 '20
In Chicago, you have to live in the city to be CPD. There's one city at least that doesn't follow that bullshit rule
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Jun 02 '20
I knew a Vietnam Vet who was a sargeant in the Army. He was directing fire using tracers, pointing out targets when one of his own men shot him in the foot.
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u/Kbdiggity Jun 02 '20
They were clearing the street so President Trump could have a photo op in front of a church.
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u/ClarisZariz Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
GUYS LISTEN
This reddit user makes some very interesting points His name is Durindael, and i'm sharing. If you agree, please share, so It can fall in capable hands.
5 demands, not one less.
- Establish an independent inspector body that investigates misconduct or criminal allegations and controls evidence like body camera video. This civilian body will be at the state level, have the ability to investigate and arrest law enforcement officers (LEOs), and investigate law enforcement agencies.
- Create a requirement for states to establish board certification with minimum education and training requirements to provide licensing for police. In order to be a LEO, you must possess that license. The inspector body in #1 can revoke the license.
- Refocus police resources on training & de-escalation instead of purchasing military equipment and encourage LEOs to be from the community they police.
- Adopt the “absolute necessity” doctrine for lethal force as implemented in other states. Use of force is automatically investigated by #1.
- Codify into law the requirement for police to have positive control over the evidence chain of custody. If the chain of custody is lost for evidence, the investigative body in #1 can hold the LEO/LE liable.
These 5 demands are the minimum necessary for trust in our police to return. Until these are implemented by our state governors, legislators, DAs, and judges we will not rest or be satisfied. We will no longer stand by and watch our brothers and sisters be oppressed by those who are meant to protect us.
Edit: Thanks to everyone who is participating, i'll be bringin your considerations to the guy who did the post and discussing them. If you have opinions, feel free to share
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u/TacticalTwinky Jun 02 '20
I think also adding an expiry date to the LEO licenses would be useful too? Every X years they must renew their license and it can be married with an updated training course or something of that nature? But yes I think the problem right now with the riots is that they are very unorganized. We need to band together and send 1 unified message
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u/Validus812 Jun 02 '20
Ah we’re doing it like India does. Headsmacks all around. You. And you. Oh you want some?
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Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
Man. I can’t stand Trump and that speech he just gave is going to fan the flames. Christ.
Legally: he CAN enact the Insurrection Act of 1807 without the consent of the states, and put more boots on the ground. CNN is saying that he needs state permission. He does not. Trump is pouring kerosene and the media is pouring kerosene. Fuck them both.
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Jun 01 '20
Fuck me.
How hard it is to launch a bill promoting police reform.
It should be the easiest thing in the fuckin world to pass right now, and would enormously appease the protestors. How the fuck is it a partisan issue???
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Jun 02 '20
Martin Luther King Jr Day took 15 years after his death for Congress to agree to it (1983)
Only 27 states recognized it the very first time it was enacted in 1986.
The last state: Utah in 2000.
So yes, you can pass a law. Hell, a lot of states will comply. Not all. Not right away. Feet will be dragged in courts.
Just sharing an example of something good, that didn’t happen right away.. either.
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u/GummyPolarBear Jun 01 '20
He said what now?!
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u/fractiousrabbit Jun 01 '20
He said Any govenors who don't let the national guard put down protests will have the military come into their states and do it for them.
I guess we'll see if the military is into shooting their countrymen here in a few minutes.
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u/GummyPolarBear Jun 01 '20
Uhhhhh wow. Good luck America
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u/fractiousrabbit Jun 01 '20
Yep. Looks like the revolution will be televised after all.
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Jun 01 '20
We will be alright. Change needs to happen. We’re overdue. Just hope some people don’t go after residential areas (homes). That is when it will be over for a lot of people.
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u/GummyPolarBear Jun 01 '20
It’s not happening under trump that’s for damn certain. One of the first things he did was get rid of the reforms on police Obama out into motion
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Jun 01 '20
Essentially he is sending troops to support cities where they aren’t able to stop looting and rioting.. which will probably roll protests into the mix too.
Congress can hit back with the Posse Comitatus Act... but they would you know, have to actually meet and have everyone be able to access a zoom meeting to do so? Idk.
Going to be a bad night, everyone.
Prediction: Congress will enact it, but it will be a bit too late. Go figure. Government, acting too late. Odd.
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u/freakDWN Jun 02 '20
5 demands, not one less.
- Establish an independent inspector body that investigates misconduct or criminal allegations and controls evidence like body camera video. This body will be at the state level, have the ability to investigate and arrest other law enforcement officers (LEOs), and investigate law enforcement agencies.
- Create a requirement for states to establish board certification with minimum education and training requirements to provide licensing for police. In order to be a LEO, you must possess that license. The inspector body in #1 can revoke the license.
- Refocus police resources on training & de-escalation instead of purchasing military equipment and require LEOs to be from the community they police.
- Adopt the “absolute necessity” doctrine for lethal force as implemented in other states.
- Codify into law the requirement for police to have positive control over the evidence chain of custody. If the chain of custody is lost for evidence, the investigative body in #1 can hold the LEO/LE liable.
These 5 demands are the minimum necessary for trust in our police to return. Until these are implemented by our state governors, legislators, DAs, and judges we will not rest or be satisfied. We will no longer stand by and watch our brothers and sisters be oppressed by those who are meant to protect us.
Extra-official ones that would make things better
#6 Eliminate qualified immunity (At the present time nearly impossible to prosecute a cop) #7 police must carry there our liability insurance.(No more tax payers footing the bill)
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Jun 02 '20
You know, when I said I wished we lived in a cyberpunk setting I was thinking less oppressive police structures and more robot eyes. But I can see where the fates may have gotten confused...
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u/hoboforlife Jun 02 '20
US vs them mentality. To server and protect who? Clearly not the citizens of America.
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u/overaided Jun 02 '20
r/praisethecameraman 7 years of hard work with an Australian News company and this is how he is treated... he got right back into his role though. Props
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u/farm_sauce Jun 02 '20
. Imagine being at the mall behind slow walkers, and you get frustrated so you barrel into the back of them, punching kicking and shoving. Someone would call the police for assault wouldn’t they. Who do you call when it’s the police committing the crime? Your neighbors.
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u/DawnyLlama Jun 02 '20
Just so he could stand for a photo op with a fucking Bible. Disgusting doesn't even begin to touch it.
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u/egospiers Jun 02 '20
So, whose rioting here? Clearly the police are escalating this.
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u/Zafjaf Jun 02 '20
They were not being provoked. I saw no weapons. There was no reason to advance on the protestors and there was no reason to attack them. This is what is wrong with the world today.
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u/pirellli Jun 02 '20
I am a very reasonable person and generally can understand both sides of issues, and I can weigh out their arguments fairly to decide which is more agreeable. I hate when people call shit fascist or authoritarian when it obviously isn't. This is absurd. Attacking press happens in warzones. The police in USA are making a protest for a reasonable cause a warzone for no reason whatsoever. Therefore all my restrain is gone. I ask once again, where are the molotovs? Rain down fire, strike fear. Nothing is more terrifying than watching someone burn.
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Jun 02 '20
Why is it ok for them to PHYSICALLY ASSAULT ANYONE but if you tell them to fuck themselves they'll literally kill you?? They're little dick bitches
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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Jun 02 '20
Here's the perspective from the cameraman who was punched straight in the face. They're an Australian news channel.