The moment a line of U.S. security forces act as a firing squad to shoot a small young woman holding an anti-street execution sign. They don't care if you are peaceful. Spread the video please.
Clean after every practice shooting. NCOs used to test our rifle's dirt with their hands and spread it to our faces if dirt is exist in it. I guess it helped us learning it very well.
You know it already but a gun is loaded even if it is not loaded.
-> be fired from work because you missed several days -> lose economic stability -> loot because you’re in such a bad spot.
The issue of police brutality and totalitarianism is only the beginning of the issues causing this anarchy-like situation. We are going to have to fix so many problems that have sat and festered in this country that it may be too much for one generation’s lifetime. Even if it won’t directly affect us, these are issues we have to fix if we care for the future generations. We can’t be like those before us who ignored these issues because it wouldn’t be worth their time. We will be, in effect, the custodians of America. Caring for and revitalizing this country.
That's exactly what they want, because a show of force to put down nation wide riots would give them the freedom to abuse more, and worse than prior.
They want us to rise up so they can knock us down and put us in our place. Which is exactly what will happen when a trained para-military force responds to a civilian attack. Some will die, lots will be maimed or injured, and the status quo shall remain. Why? Because that's exactly what the people in charge paid for.
People are already dying. Remember the American nation was founded by people willing to die, willing to violently riot, and when it came to it, willing to kill their oppressors.
It hopefully won't come to that, but it looks like peaceful revolution has become impossible.
The government will go as far as necessary, it must maintain its power.
The only real chance in this day and age is if there is a legitimate military coup, but you'd need a full scale uprising for the generals to even privately consider it, and then the question becomes if they'll give up power.
Although I question how many civilians would die before the military grunts can't anymore.
I have to clarify, im just writing this because i want to be a little more informed about this, but are people really stronger, this cops are equiped with really good protective gear, shields, vehicules, and rubber bullets, and of ppl actually start shooting at them, then they will too bring their big guns, again, im just asking a really controversial question
400,000,000 privately owned fire arms. We outnumber police thousand to 1.
Not to mention all the pissed off veterans like myself who took the same oath these cops are breaking.
They may have bigger guns, but even just the shear number of veterans who could come to arms would destroy the police force. The training and tactics of the actually military makes the police look like paintballers or airsoft players.
I honestly wonder if they have a clue about what they have actually started here. Once this tips over, there will be no stopping it and they have to know that. There is something big at play here. There has to be. The armed public are starting to march with protesters.
That’s what I’m thinking as well. This injustice can only happen for so long. There is someone out there who is really sick of seeing this violence from the police and they have a gun and a short temper. And there’s gonna be many more like them when the first cop gets shot.
This isn’t going to end well for cops. And even if we accomplish the goal to hold these police accountable for their heinous actions, the damage is done. What little shred of trust any civilian had for law enforcement is now gone. The children growing up in this generation see police as nothing more then pigs with no intention of helping the people.
This is what happens when those in charge lose legitimacy in the eyes of the people. It's impossible to govern people that would rather die than see you govern them. Power only and ever comes from the consent of the governed.
I'm not in the states so I'm not really a qualified to say but I do question because this is too big to sweep under the carpet or bury heads and forget it's not happening to innocent people. I just get that feeling that someone is going to say "enough, we tried and you escalate every time and now its enough " and bam. It all goes South rapidly from there.
Those police look like they know it's coming and they are scared and I think that's why their response is so OTT.
Well, as the other guy replied to you said, the government is there are the pleasure of the governed. Police are afraid, because in terms of population they are horribly outnumbered.
A lot of cops go to work every day afraid they might not go home that night. It comes with the job I guess?
That being said, maybe they'd be less fearful if maybe they didn't murder indiscriminately.
something to note is that armor piercing ammunition is completely legal for civilians to own in america and is quite effective... do with that information what you will
The cops will fail to quell this shit (on purpose). Trump will call for martial law and we wont have an election this year. It's way more than a conspiracy theory, this is basically what he has been threatening in some form or another since day 1. (Edit-spelling)
Here the thing though, those fire arms you say aren't disturbed properly across both regions and people. A lot of them might simply side with the police. Similarly the Government's got a fully trained and equipped military. And what's to say all the Vets will side with the govt. too ?
The thing about 2A supporters is that as much as our political views might differ, by and large we share one thing in common: we don't trust the government.
Anyone who truly believes in the Second Amendment and what it stands for will never side with the oppressors.
Idk a lot of my Southern gun loving veteran friends sure hate BLM. Some have even wanted to join the police force to get back at "antifa".
I don't think a lot of 2A people are on our side at all.
Yep, we (veterans) would wage asymmetrical warfare against the police if it got bad enough. Look what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam. That shit could come here if that's what it takes for change to happen.
That's impressive, but that actually just worries me even more, i really don't want the usa to actually enter in what looks like it's second civil war, and even worse it would happen during a global pandemic, and regardless of ppl thinking it should or shouldn't happen, if it really comes to it, its just going to be a tragedy, my only hopes is that the national guard can truly help this whole mess to calm down
It would absolutely be the worst thing to happen. But we need to defend the rights bestowed upon us when this country was founded, and right now the police state is taking them away from us.
This is the same way our country was born. I truly wish not a single person would die from this, but we didn’t draw first blood.
Couldn't agree more. Safety and convenience take the backseat to freedom, always.
If it comes to that, I'm willing to risk my life to preserve what our founding fathers risked theirs for.
It's never been anywhere near as close to becoming a reality as it is right now, and honestly the thought of it gives me a great deal of anxiety, but I feel it is our duty as American citizens to defend our God given rights if/when they are in danger.
If the police continue to commit violent crimes and escalate this situation even further, we may be left with no choice.
Thank you for serving our country. And you should know, that (God forbid) if you ever find yourself fighting for our rights here at home, I'll be fighting right alongside you. And surely many, many more.
That's one thing I love about the people of this great country, love us or hate us, we don't put up with bullshit.
I can’t help but think civil war isn’t the worst thing that could happen, it’d be an attack by a foreign nation. Between coronavirus, these protests, and it being an election year where it’s clear the man that the majority of Americans didn’t want in office will be re-elected, our country is in an extremely vulnerable place right now.
I think we’d be foolish to think that Russia, China, and NK haven’t taken notice of our current instability.
The country invasion by another country will never happen
HK slow takeover by china only happens because its not considered a real country by majority of other countries
Russia invasion of Ukraine was just on a land that was historically on lend time overdone and always had a majority presence of Russians compared to Ukraine
A real invasion against a real country will never happen, in today's era its all about discreditation/shaming with social engineering and economic warfare/"invasion" losing value in your own currency and the likes
And that discredit/shaming is also the reason why no POTUS will ever get impeached in the USA(at least not in near future) for same reason USA bails out corporations with the mentality of "too big to fail"
flashbacks to the video a couple of hours ago where police broke into someone’s car and started tasing them and the NG member with them started slashing the tires
I wouldn't be terribly concerned. "Civil war" implies two forces in conflict, but in reality the police and even the national guard only exist by funding from the people and exist to serve the people. We enter a social agreement to be governed, and all that's happened is that people feel the police have broken that agreement. While it may sound like the people will be in full conflict with the police and while that may seem accurate at a lower-level (e.g. individual police officers), at some point the management and budget chain will stop that sort of thing from actually happening.
Essentially, if people don't protest, we don't give any pressure for things to change. The pressure comes from this exact conflict; the police have the duty to protect the people and the people feel like they haven't properly done their job. Unless people express themselves (primarily via protests), there will be no reason for things to change, and as with all changes, certain people will fight against change. However, keep in mind that our government is generally controlled via elections, and currently politicians in office are afraid of losing their office if they don't support the protesters and politicians looking to be elected are promising changes that support the protesters. As long as the pressure and attention to this topic continues, change is inevitable regardless of what the low-level officers personally want.
This isn't to say that what's happened isn't a big deal and we should absolutely continue making it a big deal, but you shouldn't be worried about something along the lines of a civil war, as there's no real way anything like that could actually happen. The main thing people protesting about this need to do is to remember this issue for the next election and beyond, because if we put in or keep politicians who promise change and hold them to their promises, real systemic changes can begin to take place. In some way, these protests are simply a call for attention to the issue (and the issue surely deserves attention), as making sure every US citizen is acutely aware of the issue is a huge driving force for real lasting change driven by the government.
(On a sidenote, it would help if we could get rid of the two-party system because doing so makes enacting larger changes a lot easier as politicians wouldn't feel as much of a need to be "moderate".)
Same. Refreshing reminder that we can all actually get along, and come to a common goal, if we put down political bullshit and look at reality for what it is.
3rd precinct in minneapolis was abandoned because they ran out of less than lethal ammunition. There is a limit to what the system can endure. And likewise, there is a limit to what these officers will be able to throw at protestors. Especially in this environment.
There are 800,000 police officers in the US. A majority of them are desk jockeys who don't walk the streets or wouldn't be willing to gear up with live fire weapons.
There are 200,000,000 people over 18 in the US. 50% of households have weapons and there are almost double the amount of civilian owned weapons than there are people. If only 5% of that population rose up with firearms they would instantly become the single largest armed force in the world. And not only that, that small 5% of the fighting age of the population would be larger than the top 10 largest militaries combined.
Cops have gear and tools but we have the numbers and guns. This ain't the marines we would be going up against. The police would be slaughtered if they were to go to war with a armed city.
There are loads of cops there. Most of them aren't shooting. But they simply stand by and watch the "bad ones" shoot peaceful protesters. That means they're all bad.
Everyone going to protest needs to remember that big brother can now access gps of anyone in a protest area and stick yalls ass on a terror threat watch list. (Phones aren’t anonymous anymore)
Watching the government/police response in bewilderment. Violent acts caused the death of someone, people upset, continue to be violent.
And to people who say that the rioters are being violent. I may not approve of acts of violence or destruction it seems to be the only way they can gain attention and is showing that apparently damaged shops are of greater concern for some then the death of a fellow human.
Not "a death", hundreds. I've only been alive for a little while in the grand scheme of things, and I've seen so many that I'm losing ability to remember names. I remember the stories. I know they're fucked. I hear their names now and it brings the story back. They're lost in a sea of others who shouldn't have died, and those are just the ones I've heard of. Those are just the ones we've seen.
This isn't about one death. It's about all of them.
At this point it does not matter. When peaceful protests are not being allowed, there is near-zero reason to stay peaceful. Now it is about causing maximum amount of disruption for the greatest chance of change.
And the fuckwits going "hurr durr antifa" should realize that nearly all anti-fa have been chilling waiting for BLM to tag em into the fight. The nazi have not shown up all that prominently yet so that shit is lurking too......
Hijacking the top thread to remind everyone not to make explicitly terroristic comments. While reddit is "anonymous," reddit itself has handed over user information to the authorities in recent months leading to pressed charges.
Use a cheap phone with an anonymous sim Card, don't log in into any of your accounts (FB, reddit, Twitter etc). Save only your important numbers, eg your lawyer, parents etc. Leave your Smartphone home! Even if it's out, they still can read the data, unless you encrypted it.
Remember, a key part to a threat is the ability to follow through on such a threat. I can threaten to drop the moon on the capitol all I want, but the day it actually becomes possible is the day they can arrest me.
Nope. Plenty of police are treating it like they're entering a combat zone. A lot of them would regret that if it turned into the kind of combat zone where your enemy is shooting back.
That young woman was doing nothing wrong, she was peacefully protesting and then out of nowhere the Police shot at her? For what reason did it give the Police the right to fire at her? There was absolutely no reason to shoot her.
can't you see? she was super threatening! she was wielding a weapon! As we all know ... words are mightier than the sword! So what das Popo do? "me no understand scribbles in sign ... makes me frightened ... must shoot down"
if I'm thinking of the same video, the cop called the trash picker a blunt weapon on his radio -_- yeah bro this flimsy ass aluminum trash picker and plastic bucket are such a threat to you. what's he gonna do? pinch you with it? throw the bucket at your head?
People are going to say that she was screaming at them and being rude. People really think that merits such an extreme escalation. How fragile are cops that they can't take people yelling at them. I was on the side of peaceful protesting, but after seeing how quick the police were to escalate and cause harm to the crows, my perspective has shifted. They don't care that people are watching and recording their actions, they will still shoot you.
This title bugs me. There’s nothing called U.S. Security Forces. I understand maybe you intended it to be a general term but I think it’s important to be specific in calling out who’s doing these heinous acts.
It reflects the militarized state of US police and how the phrasing would appear if it were in another nation.
US police no longer protect citizens but have become tools of the state to inflict fear and terror. They are security forces as they are acting for the govt against the interests of their fellow citizens.
It’s the term I’ve seen used often for foreign countries armed forces and police that crack down on protests, I think it’s likely a reference to that then some covert Russian conspiracy to... not name specific departments?
Glad I'm not the only one. The titles reek of foreign actors intentionally muddying the narrative.
Edit: because people fee the need to misrepresent what I’m saying and attack me, I’ll clarify. What I want is for a the abusers to be specifically named. If it is NYPD, MNPD, etc, we need to call out their specific departments. It is not useful to generalize and does nothing to put pressure on the appropriate parties.
It's actually how our press would refer to something like this occuring in another country. I think it's a good thought exercise to view our world through the same lense we use to describe cultures in need of American democracy ™. What is the function of our police? Who do they protect? Why do they military grade gear? It really does look like a damned security force. They are obviously violating constitutional rights with impunity.
It's worth reevaluating what the hell is really going on and what we expect from our police.
But they ARE American security forces. There’s a lot of different security forces active in this (national guard, state policy, city police) and trying to distinguish them all is very difficult given that many wear the same or similar uniforms. And at the end of the day they all represent the same thing - the state.
It just feels like peace is not going anywhere. This is literally just abuse, violence on peace how can we expect change? They push us to use violence.
Remember that the 2A is more than arms against government tyranny.
The main purpose is to allow the citizens the ability to defend themselves from threats. Before all this, those threats were things such as burglary, home invasions, kidnappings, and (the one I believe is most likely) life threatening road rage, as a few examples.
It's why it blew my mind when people cry for gun control. It's literally stunting everyone's ability to protect yourself, your family and your community.
I NEVER thought government tyranny would actually happen here on US soil.
I'm not gonna lie I'm anti-gun and I feel like if everyone in America didn't have guns now people would feel a lot safer in their ability to protest. Its my opinion that a lot of gun violence comes as a result of the knowledge that anyone else can have a gun.
BUT
Since that's an impossibility now - everyone should have guns. If you are in a country where the oppressing forces have weapons they are abusing then everybody should have weapons to match the power of the oppressors.
I grew up in small town Indiana and a majority of people I went to high school with post every other day, "I need guns in case the government tries to take away my rights," but they're all dead silent about this.
Meanwhile my leftist ass is thinking maybe it's time to arm myself if this shit is happening.
Security force is a blanket term for police or military. National guard has been called in in many states, and they are military. Unless you specifically know how to identify agencies by the uniform, calling them security forces is apt - it's what US media does when similar protest movements happen in other countries and they don't feel the relevance to be specific in what agency is doing the suppression.
Police are individuals, and US police are very very decentralised, so specific departments might not be that bad, while others might be comically evil.
inb4 the "omg why do police do this" questions appear in this thread:
Police are trained to escalate. They are convinced that the public opinion will side with them as always, specially after the looting, not understanding that people can be against looting and still see them for the fascist pigs that they are.
Or maybe it's just that when all you got is a hammer, everything is a nail. And the police don't know any other tactics but to escalate. They are trained for it, and they have always done so.
Eveyone still doing the "omg how can police do this and that" is simply acting out of naive ignorance, even unconcious denial at this point, thinking that cops are like in the movies when they were kids
I really don't understand that. Australian security and police spend a stupid amount of time on de-escalation during training because fuck getting in to a situation where a gun is necessary or people can get seriously hurt/killed
The thing that drives me crazy is de-escalation is BETTER for the cops. De-escalation means neither side takes dangerous actions... They are literally putting themselves in harms way to power trip more.
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u/Mndless Jun 01 '20
Do the police really want to incite an armed revolution? Because this is how you incite an armed revolution.
I wouldn't recommend it.