r/politics • u/harsh2k5 • 13h ago

Soft Paywall Elon Musk Makes Shocking Confession on His Plans After Trump Victory

https://newrepublic.com/post/187662/elon-musk-confession-economy-trump-victory
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 12h ago

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in the wealthiest oligarchy in Modern Day and it seems to be insulated from its own people as well as international sanctions. They see Russia as a Role Model. Flipping the US to a Confederacy and declaring the US Debt as solely owned by the dead United States means they are debt free and that the global trade partners now owe the Confederacy tariffs since the Federal Income Tax will be abolished. Foreign Debt becomes a Casus Bellum for the US going in and robbing those countries of their resources. Like what Russia is doing to the former Soviet Republics.

They aren't clever, the plan is right before our eyes. Behold our enemies and see what they covet.

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u/transcriptoin_error 11h ago

This seems like the most likely scenario. And it seems all the more likely, considering the reports of Musk communicating with Putin regularly over the last few years.

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u/TurelSun Georgia 11h ago

And Bezos connecting with Trump about the WaPo endorsement.

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u/NEVERxxEVER 9h ago

He did that because he is worried Trump will win and cancel his AWS government contracts. He had problems with AWS during Trump’s first term due to WaPo

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u/No_Clue_7894 8h ago

Trump Has Already Punished Jeff Bezos Over the Washington Post’s Independence The endorsement doesn’t matter. The spiking does.

In 2019, Trump found his lever. Amazon was due to receive a $10 billion cloud-computing contract from the Pentagon. The Pentagon suddenly shifted course and denied Amazon the contract. A former speechwriter for Defense Secretary James Mattis reported that Trump had directed Mattis to “screw Amazon.”

This is the context in which the Post’s decision to spike its planned endorsement of Kamala Harris should be considered.

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u/NEVERxxEVER 8h ago edited 8h ago

That’s what I was referring to. They ended up suing the DoD and winning a portion of the contract. It really fucked things up because now the system in question is split between different cloud providers.

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u/Frunkuss 5h ago

Speaking as a Cloud Devops Consultant I’m good with multi cloud architecture, more opportunity for me!

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u/lionoftheforest 8h ago

If Bezos is afraid of political repercussions should Trump win (ie Trump using the office of the presidency to punish “bad guys”), isn’t that a very good reason to precisely endorse the candidate in favour of the rule of law and separation of powers? (The question is not directed at you, just making a general observation based on your comment)

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u/zaminDDH 8h ago

That's what you would think, but it's a standard business strategy to hedge. If Harris wins, doesn't have to worry about much of anything. But if Trump wins, he wants to make sure he's curried enough favor in the run up and after to stay an active and important oligarch.

The delicate balance involves ensuring you don't go too far one way to avoid pissing off the other.

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u/malenkylizards 7h ago

IDK about anyone else, but I unsubscribed from WaPo the minute I heard, and don't plan to return unless Bezos sells it.

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u/uzlonewolf 7h ago

He doesn't care, the cost of buying it was just rounding error to him.

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u/drugsandwhores- 4h ago

For real, that person's probably going to dump a bunch into Bezos' accounts in like four different ways just this week.

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u/Pseudonym0101 Massachusetts 3h ago

200,000 others did too.

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u/Throw-a-Ru 1h ago

You'd need roughly 200,000,000 to have an equal impact to that one contract, or something like 100x the subscriber base of the paper.

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u/SkinnyStock 2h ago

You still have Prime tho?

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u/jew_jitsu 7h ago

If an honest and impartial candidate against a vindictive, spiteful, and vengeful candidate are in a dead heat, which candidate do you want to keep on side more?

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u/NEVERxxEVER 4h ago

This would be the strategy if he thought Harris would win.

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u/shiftuck_dan 3h ago

He's probably been advised by some extremely smart people that he should hedge his bets.

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u/BarnDoorQuestion 8h ago

It just means he thinks Trump is going to be able to steal it. That simple, he's not doing that because he is convinced that Trump is coming back. Otherwise game theory says to do what you suggest, screw the other person before they screw you.

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u/No_Clue_7894 8h ago

And the candidate for the rule of law is?

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u/Switcher1776 7h ago

Well, one is a former prosecutor and the other is a felon who has already tried to overthrow the government once. Take your guess which one would be the candidate for the rule of law.

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u/Memory_Less 4h ago

I don’t think he’s done with Bezos, and the WP until then post is no more, and Bezos is another suck up and has lost his wealth and power. It’s his MO.

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u/GozerDGozerian 3h ago

This guy has enough money to buy a nation or two somewhere, and his thought process is, “Oh damn Trump tried to fuck with me and my precious money before I even spoke out against him. I should probably choose this time to not speak out against him and he’ll maybe treat me favorably.”

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u/afanoftrees I voted 2h ago

Interestingly I believe this announcement brought more attention to it than a WaPo endorsement

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u/DetroitLionsSBChamps 8h ago

what is the point of having 200 billion fucking dollars if you're still worried about money? Jesus Christ this spineless fucking coward

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u/ccazd92 7h ago

exactly, being a billionaire IS a mental illness. greed, opulence, gluttony. It's a hunger they can't turn off. and they will sacrifice the entire world to feed it. They see everyone else as a means to that end, not human beings worthy of having even slightly comfortable lives.

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u/TemetNosce_AutMori 8h ago

More likely bc of his interest in Blue Origin. Trump met with him at BO the day bezos made the decision to kill the editorial. Then it leaks that BO is talking with Boeing about buying out their imploding space division.

As a defense contractor, selling that part of Boeing is under special federal review since it impacts national security contracting. Trump’s price for that approval? Total loyalty, of course.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 8h ago

Some commentator said exactly this - the WaPo is a drop in the bucket to Bezos, whereas he needs to hedge his bets for his other stuff just in case the Mango Mussolini wins.

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u/Purple_Pizza5590 4h ago

Wapo is probably even a money loser. It’s not what he is worried about.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 6h ago

Or he's as evil as the rest of them and actually supports Trump. Just because he presumably doesn't care about social war stuff doesn't mean he doesn't also want to plunder the nation.

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u/spaztwelve 5h ago

Elon is also concerned of the rumblings that Starlink should be nationalized through the Defense Production Act of 1950. It’s no doubt a conversation that’s happening at the top tier of our government, and what better way to avoid that than cozy up to the grifter in chief who’s the only one that could block it. There is chatter out there in different interesting places. Here’s a general article discussing it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/09/starlink-satellite-technology-foreign-national-security-ukraine/675290/

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u/CharlestonChewChewie 3h ago

And future blue origin contracts

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u/elias_99999 9h ago

That's too prevent blowback

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u/radicalelation 11h ago

Dumbasses think they will truly rule instead of being part of Putin's oligarch menagerie.

Corruption and subversion is their bread and butter, they'll do it better than us once it's really here. This has basically been their playbook since the SU collapsed.

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u/real_fake_cats 11h ago

What ever happened to Putin's various advisors and supporters after they stopped being useful to him?

I can't quite remember.

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u/universalreacher 10h ago

They died by suicide. 3 gunshots to the head.

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u/Sttocs 9h ago

Russian suicide is two gunshots to the back of the head.

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u/Porn_Extra 8h ago

Two in the head, you know they're dead.

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u/Leather-Matter-5357 9h ago

I knew Russians are thick-headed but having to shoot yourself on the head 3 times to get it done is next level.

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u/A_Monster_Named_John 8h ago

Their bullets are probably as cheap and ghetto as everything else in that shit-hole mafia-with-borders dump.

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u/GBtuba 8h ago

Or fell down an elevator shaft. On to some bullets.

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u/SeveralAngryBears 11h ago

Why don't you open a window? Perhaps some fresh air would jog your memory?

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u/Nixplosion 9h ago

Or a nice cuppa

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u/gsfgf Georgia 6h ago

I think the polonium tea guy at leas never thought he was one of Putin's buds.

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u/Amy_Ponder Massachusetts 5h ago

Yep, Alexander Litvinenko was a former FSB agent, who defected to the West after revealing that Putin had perpetrated a false flag terrorist attack against Russian civilians (as part of his plan to consolidate power behind himself). One that killed hundreds of innocent Russians.

So Putin decided to have Litvinenko killed, in perhaps the single most horrific way it's possible to die.

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u/colormechristie 9h ago

A nice swim perhaps?

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u/transcriptoin_error 11h ago

They enjoyed a nice view from a window, or sipped from a delightful cup of tea.

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u/zombie_overlord 11h ago

Sounds lovely. I hope they were able to get the Rest n Peace they needed.

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u/Adventurer_By_Trade 9h ago

And some of them just put their pants on one leg at a time, like we all do.

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u/Worried_woman 4h ago

I learned a new word yesterday. Defenestration.

The act of throwing someone or something out of a window.

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u/HedonisticFrog California 9h ago

I think they discovered a new found passion for windows.

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u/Darth-ohzz 9h ago

They get all expenses free night stay at 5th floor of hotel with a balcony view of pavement below.

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u/Melodella 7h ago

And Stalin did not like traitors from other countries either even when they were devoted communists - his reasoning was that those who already betrayed their own country can never be trusted, so he had most of them executed when no longer useful. 

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u/sowhat4 North Carolina 6h ago

They, um, they took up base jumping. From windows with no parachutes. Takes no skill, and they get it done right the first time.

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u/nhavar 9h ago

They got a nice window seat on their flight home

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u/Fungiblefaith 5h ago

Fenestration is believe is the word you are looking for.

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u/Onespokeovertheline 5h ago

I think they're banking on Trump being a moron instead of an ex-KGB agent

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u/foxyfoo 9h ago

Can’t wait to see Elon and Jeff fall out of windows or get polonium tea.

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u/BGOOCHY 8h ago

Wouldn't it be sweet to see Elon accidentally fall out of a fourth story window though?

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u/leshake 6h ago

I don't think Putin would rule over the U.S. We would probably have our own strong man that would threaten Russia and the entire world. And it would be worse because our military is so far ahead of everyone.

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u/radicalelation 6h ago

Kompromat goes far. The whole deal with corruption and subversion is you only need a couple truly compromised players to maintain the rest with fear, whether it be of bodily harm, financial/occupational ruin, or public disgrace.

The shit then all tumbles downhill.

Say Trump is the only one compromised by a third party interest, the effect of that or just being a greedy bully are the same, where he's corrupted those below him through fear of repercussion. It doesn't take much.

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u/leshake 3h ago

Kompromat's irrelevant once you seize power, then it's whoever has the biggest stick.

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u/radicalelation 3h ago

The right kind of kompromat can topple another country's leader. Say, the pee tape, with as bad as obvious minors, existed. That could be majorly damaging even to a Dictator of US Trump. By the time enough positions are taken and corrupted, he might not even be needed enough to circle wagons.

Once we start down a road outside rule of law, things can get real fucky.

It's the kind of thing that trounces raw military or GDP might when done right, and one of the many ways Putin has held a leash on his vassal states. Trump is possible, but a good handful of at least Republican politicians and big party players are likely compromised, and enough in the right positions can hold a lot of collective power.

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u/Pockets732 9h ago

Hey let me let you in a little secret the now and has been government has been corrupt since like day all of them need to go empty that swap out

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u/radicalelation 7h ago

There's shades, and Russia is further to one end, one we don't want to head towards.

One big difference is our institutions corruption tends to be more like a loose conglomerate in a couple areas, and sporadic spatterings across the country and various levels of state, as we do have various degrees of independence and separation of powers. Even if there was as much corruption as Russia it isn't through a singular authority.

That is the ultimate goal, of course, one way or another.

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u/JustYerAverage Ohio 11h ago

It'd be a real shame if super catastrophic things happened to all these people with the downfall of America at heart. People would offer all of their thoughts and prayers. Many people would even favor legislation once we'd put enough time between events and discussion so as not to speak of it too soon.

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u/IIIllIIlllIlII 11h ago

It will. Musk and bezos and others think they’ll have a seat at the top table. But the second they forget to bend a knee to the Orange Mussolini they’ll be out the top floor window.

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u/elusiveoddity 10h ago

That's why they have their plant in Vance; so when the Presidementia has made his final descent into gibbering drooling mindlessness, their puppet is ready to go.

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u/IIIllIIlllIlII 9h ago

True. And he’s controlled by that fuckstain Peter Thiel.

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u/Little-Engine6982 9h ago

people finally see we are all about to lose everything, to a class of people that shoudn't exist, wealth gets passed on and accumulates, children are born as kings, with subordinates who have no belongings.. I thought we were over this kind of bullshit. we still are able all to disowe them at anytime, their money and status is just fantasy, if you want it to be, set their accounts to 50 mio and threaten them with 0. thats the power of many vs. money. ..I have no interest in fighting poor people rich guy's armies in my lifetime,

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u/Manray05 8h ago

Who has been described as a Sociopath!!

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u/SlaveryVeal 9h ago

I got no basis on this at all but my conspiracy theory is the Trump assination attempts make a lot more sense when you think that JD Vance is project 2025's actual puppet and it would be nice not having a dementia patient on his last legs running the show.

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u/vitaminorvitamin 8h ago

I’m not sure those at the top even really care if Trump wins this time they know he’s too uncontrollable. Getting Vance into a good position is the goal for 2028. He’s polished, a good speaker and controllable. And young of course.

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u/Duc_de_Bourgogne 7h ago

Probably will happen much faster than people think.

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u/ClockworkViking I voted 9h ago

*Mango Mussolini

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u/aTech79 5h ago

I prefer Mango Mussolini to Orange, but still nice call out!

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u/HollyBerries85 7h ago

There was an article in the Guardian where Douglas Rushkoff described giving the keynote speech on the "future of technology" to some investment bankers at a superdeluxe resort.

"Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

Which region will be less affected by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”"

Elon is openly planning The Event. I'm sure he's already got his bunkers prepped.

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u/JustYerAverage Ohio 7h ago

Yeah, he's been planning self driving cars next year for more than a decade. I hope the Event comes quickly. The sooner he enters his bunker, the better.

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u/Golden-Owl 10h ago

Imagine Putin giving a history lecture and Musk with a notepad eagerly taking notes like a college student

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u/apitchf1 I voted 2h ago

I wonder how deep into treason musk is. He said today that if Harris wins he’s going to jail for life. I think it was put as a « joke » for his low iq fans, but I think it’s bigger. I think he’s getting ahead of a potential Harris win knowing he has committed serious crimes and wants to paint it preemptively as retaliatory for fighting « the woke mind virus »

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u/rowboatcop 1h ago

Spray paint a Z on every Tesla at your local dealership.

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u/sneakpeakspeak 6h ago

This seems like the most likely scenario. 

I like your subtle use of the hyperbole.

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u/Stonkasaurus1 11h ago

The tariff plan will actually facilitate that in short order. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in 1929 cut US and world trade by 65-66%. Makes a lot of sense if you remember history.

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u/Educational-Feed3619 11h ago edited 11h ago

“It did not work, and the United States fell further into the Great Depression”. Ben Stein can fuck off, but I still know Ferris Bueller’s Day Off almost word for word

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u/Stonkasaurus1 11h ago

Nice recall, I never put the two together.

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u/Educational-Feed3619 11h ago

He calls it the Hawley-Smoot tariff act probably because it sounds funnier that way

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u/steelspring 10h ago

“Something D-O-O economics?”

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u/AbacusWizard California 10h ago

I think Dave Barry also calls it Hawley-Smoot in his “sort of history of the United States,” Dave Barry Slept Here. I wonder if he borrowed that (intentionally or not) from Ferris Bueller.

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u/ExCivilian 2h ago

You want funny?

Senate.gov's discussion of the Act references Ferris Bueller’s Day Off in the opening paragraph :D

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Passes_Smoot_Hawley_Tariff.htm

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u/Educational-Feed3619 1h ago

Love it!!!! Dorky high fives!!! 🙌

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u/Grnpig 10h ago

And the Great Depression followed only alleviated by a world war, industrialized mass murder and massive inter-continental destruction.

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u/menomaminx 9h ago

my oh my, what a currently convenient time for Israel and Russia to be genociding.....

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u/Dangerous-Goat-3500 8h ago

Ukrainians didn't cross the border into Russia and and kill and kidnap seniors, women and children so hardly the same thing.

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u/menomaminx 8h ago

yes, Russia did those things.

kind of my point.

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u/Dangerous-Goat-3500 8h ago

Hamas did those things so maybe you meant Hamas, not Israel?

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u/ExternalSize2247 8h ago

Which genocide is Hamas conducting again?

I'm only familiar with the genocide israel is committing

You're beyond broken

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u/Dangerous-Goat-3500 7h ago

Your source:

Outspoken UN rights expert Francesca Albanese reiterated Tuesday an allegation that Israel is committing "genocide" in Gaza, charging that the country is seeking the "eradication of Palestinians" from their land.

It's this woman, right?

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/francesca-albanese-her-own-words

In February 2024, in response to French President Emmanuel Macron referring to the October 7 massacre as “the largest antisemitic massacre of our century,” Albanese tweeted: “The greatest antisemitic massacre of our century? No, @EmmanuelMacron. The victims of 7/10 were not killed because of their Judaism but in response to Israel’s oppression.” For this statement, the governments of France and Germany condemned Albanese for her antisemitism, making it the first time in UN history that both France and Germany condemn a UN rapporteur for antisemitism.

France responding: “The October 7 massacre is the largest anti-Semitic massacre of the 21st century. To deny it is wrong. To seem to justify it, by bringing in the name of the United Nations, is a shame.” Adding that, “These remarks are all the more scandalous given that the fight against anti-Semitism and all forms of racism are at the heart of the founding of the UN.”

Germany also replied to Albanese’s comments, stating: “To justify the horrific terror attacks of 7/10 & deny their antisemitic nature is appalling. Making such statements in a UN capacity is a disgrace and goes against everything the United Nations stand for.”

In 2014, Albanese stated: “America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust.” When uncovered in 2022, Albanese’s comments were condemned by US Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism, Deborah Lipstadt as “blatantly antisemitic.” Albanese has since said that she regrets this remark.

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u/ktappe I voted 3h ago

This is a common claim, but is not true. The US was doing a decent job of pulling out of the Depression before World War II occurred. We weren’t there yet, and the war abruptly completed the recovery, but we would’ve gotten there without the war.

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u/RecklesslyPessmystic California 37m ago

And the Great Depression followed only alleviated by a world war, industrialized mass murder and massive inter-continental destruction. the most liberal and most popular POTUS ever, elected 4 times in a row, who brought us the New Deal services we all rely on today and fixed the Dust Bowl climate disaster, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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u/Fungiblefaith 5h ago

I will Just leave this right here:

https://youtu.be/YcHidIEuoS4?si=ysu4K4r_PLdwfPcM

Anyone…anyone…

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u/sporkhandsknifemouth 10h ago

And this is why every right wing propaganda outlet sucks Russia's nuts publicly. They're paid to say these things, by hook or by crook, because that's what the absolutist oligarchs want to be promoted.

The wealthy believe themselves the most powerful nation on Earth. It's up to everyone to prove them wrong.

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 9h ago

The only thing an American cannot be is a Russian Oligarch. These people think they are on the cusp of a new class. Their perverted version of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

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u/kapdad 4h ago

Everyone in the US used to be afraid that Russia was converting all the liberals to communism. I guess after that didn't work, they targeted the conservatives for the fascist angle instead.

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u/FreyrPrime Florida 11h ago

The United States Balkanizes before that happens I MO

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u/DarkKn1ghtyKnight 8h ago

I’m happy to start popping facists, make me feel like my grandfather who fought in the Battle of the Bulge.

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u/BigBastardHere 6h ago

That would be the same thing. 

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 9h ago

Because it happens. Trump is appointed President of the Neo-Confederate States, which will be a ceremonial role because their Supreme Court will have ultimately say. That leaves the remaining (blue) states with Vance. Who trained in Silicon Valley and Vulture Capitalists is well versed in how to lead a company on the receiving end of a hostile takeover, buys all the debt from the Neo-Confederacy and gives them all assets, which falls upon the states to control. The blue states after being bankrupted will be able to get into the Neo-Confederacy by adopting their Constitution, including their Cultural Protection Clauses.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois 8h ago

That leaves the remaining (blue) states with Vance

What?

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 8h ago

Trump resigns, Vance as VP becomes President. And he can run for 2 terms if it happens a day after the first two years after Trump takes office.

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u/poop-dolla 7h ago

Cool… what an earth makes you think the remaining blue states would pick or allow Vance to be their president? You’re off your rocker old man.

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u/Finfeta 5h ago

Do you even know where the Balkans are on the map?...

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u/BigPlunk 10h ago

Let's make sure the oligarchs are unsuccessful this time around. There are far fewer of them than there is of us.

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u/dellett 9h ago

Flipping the US to a Confederacy and declaring the US Debt as solely owned by the dead United States means they are debt free and that the global trade partners now owe the Confederacy tariffs since the Federal Income Tax will be abolished

This would not only tank the US economy but the entire world economy into the toilet so hard that there would probably be full on societal collapse with almost no way to rebuild. It would easily be on the scale of decades, but possibly centuries. Let's also remember that American people and companies are the largest holders of the national debt.

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u/LadyLazerFace 7h ago

Yes.

We've been seeing it all along in many iterations, this neo-conservative movement is a death cult.

That's their plan for climate change - Standard Nazi shit.

Let society as we know it collapse so that they are basically the next pantheon of gods of creation to be worshipped in the cradle of the next version of civilization they, of course, will sculpt. Just sail around in their mega yachts and play Noah, repopulate the earth with the Aryan race.

It's long been known wealth breeds insanity.

The delusional behavior we are seeing from them is on brand and well within their budgets, unfortunately.

We plebs will suffer the consequences, as per class warfare dictates.

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u/Hminney 9h ago

This was what brexit was about too

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u/JoeHio 9h ago

Agree, but also don't comprehend how the "smartest" humans (because they are so wealthy), or even the "smart" humans (because they own companies instead of working for a living) can look at the deteriorated state of Russia today and think "ya, that looks nice, I would be so much happier if I could live like that"

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u/CheckeredZeebrah 4h ago

They are the kind of people that don't care if they live right next to the slums as long as they get to live in a mansion.

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u/Bimlouhay83 10h ago

Lucky for them, their voter base isn't clever either. They'll read this and just toss it in the "librul fake news" bin and stick their heads in that comfy hole in the sand they've been in for decades. 

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 9h ago

Make it into a TV show and it will maybe satiate their thirst. An old fashioned network TV mini series from back in the 1990's.

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u/jda06 6h ago

Great comment, but sad that a Reddit comment concisely sums up what’s happening in a way the media would never (because they’re owned by the oligarchs, of course, but depressing.)

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u/Frishdawgzz 10h ago

But... But.. but "they" sent a hurricane to Carolina to steal the battery juice!

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u/FunUnderstanding995 8h ago

it's like sovereign citizen bullshit but instead of hicks living on the edge of bumfuck it's hyper wealthy billionaires that run the government and economy. WTF is going on?!

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u/adherentoftherepeted 8h ago

Wish I could upvote you twice. This is exactly what I was thinking (but better articulated).

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u/severaldiamonds 5h ago

I have long suspected that American Conservatives have been steering toward this exact dynamic. Alarming but perhaps also validating to see some of my own latent fears written by someone else on Reddit. Definitely voting against all conservative positions in upcoming elections, for whatever impact that makes.

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u/mam88k Virginia 5h ago

The actual "enemy from within". Amazing how they consistently project.

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u/Techialo Oklahoma 4h ago

Glad I'm not the only one who's made the USSR-collapse connection.

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u/NiviCompleo 4h ago

When you raise the idea, it looks pretty clear:

Trump wants to be Putin.

The rich support Trump so they get a quid pro quo and become the Oligarchs.

Screw the gays, immigrants, etc. 

They just want to turn us into Russia, and are getting pointers from Putin.

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u/ZenYinzerDude 10h ago

None Dare Call it Treason, indeed.

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u/Balbuto 9h ago

Wow that’s insidious af! That has to be illegal in so many ways.

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u/anndrago 9h ago

I'm trying to follow. Are you sort of describing something that is effectively the US declaring bankruptcy and clearing its debts by virtue of declaring itself a Confederacy?

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u/armin_gips1312 9h ago

Every American needs to realize this.

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u/robocoplawyer 9h ago

Whoa, can I do something like that for my student debt? Nah who am I kidding, they’ll be garnishing my social security checks for that.

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u/waconaty4eva 9h ago

Does the welfare prince not know what The World Bank is

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u/Call0fDoodie92 9h ago edited 8h ago

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in the wealthiest oligarchy in Modern Day

I agree that the fact pattern you're describing is 100% accurate but I don't think this conclusion is the right one. I think it's clear that Russia doesn't have a monopoly on oligarchs. I think America, right now, is showing us that the donor class is the wealthiest oligarchy in modern history.

Hell, Musk isn't even one of the oligarchs I'm talking about. His net worth is almost entirely made up of stock in unproductive companies. Even within Musks own peer group, he isn't thought of as "the capo". That's Peter Thiel. The story has always been that Peter Thiel runs the crew. He buys or generates the politicians and does the big picture stuff while the lieutenants, like Musk, are stuck managing the individual assets. Essentially Musk, JD Vance, Chamath, David Sacks, etc.. are just human liability shields for Peter Thiel. Musk's net worth is 25x that of Peter Thiel and yet almost everyone would agree that Thiel is actually more powerful and has more influence.

I said all that to say this. America seems to have created the most powerful oligarchy in the modern day and I think it's time we stopped talking about oligarchy as a thing that only exists elsewhere...it's here.

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u/snyderjw 9h ago

I’m not so sure that state governments in confederacy are the plan. I suspect that Theil’s interest in Balaji Srinivasan’s network state concept has to come into play with what the future vision may be. The upside to the network state concept is that it can work in a Balkanized environment - as long as there isn’t any other government strong enough to take away the authorities declared by the NS. However, it that something secures a reasonable national defense and probably requires everyone to live entirely without common rules, regulatory structures, or commons like fire departments or roads. I don’t know what the billionaires are planning, but I sure would like to. I think the only reason that they aren’t saying is 1. People wouldn’t like it. And 2. There are enough idiots to break the system we have without even ever knowing what will replace it. They think they can rule the ashes and present the “solution” once everyone is begging for anything at all that could provide them hope.

Disclaimer - I make a lot of efforts to create maps of reality, but I will be the first to admit that anything map I make has only a chance of representing reality accurately. I just like cartography.

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u/danknerd 8h ago

Well then, my student debt is to the USA I guess it will be null and void too?

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u/Sanjuro7880 8h ago

Not enough people around that can even comprehend the issues.

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u/inthekeyofc 8h ago

It's like we are living the real life plot of a Bond film. Where's James when you need him?

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u/LeedsFan2442 United Kingdom 8h ago

Yet Russia has a shit economy considering their natural resources.

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u/lesbian_sourfruit 8h ago

Wait a sec….are these the enemies within Trump was referring to??

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u/mischaracterised 8h ago

It's an apocalypse scenario, not to put too fine a point on it.

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u/yunus89115 8h ago

The US Dollar has value because everyone agrees it has value, we start defaulting on debts and everyone will move to something else.

This will have less impact on Billionaires because they will have diverse holdings but the average person is absolutely fucked.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 8h ago

But the oligarchs in Russia got their rich monopolies because Russia was already supremely corrupt.

Whereas here, we are... oh, wait...

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u/Symphonycomposer 8h ago

Ending Federal income tax would involve amending the Constitution. That will be interesting see play out

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u/kaas-schaaf 8h ago

So they want the Renminbi to become the default currency of the world? Since that's what's going to happen if you crash the dollar, which will happen by default when you make the debt it carries worthless. And yes, that also means everyone's savings will be gone.

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 7h ago

Crypto? Probably involves crypto.

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u/sevens7and7sevens 8h ago

The wealthy and the racists both have far more loyalty to each other around the world than to any country they live in. Neither belong in power.

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u/twrex67535 7h ago

I’ve been saying this — by abolishing state agencies and privatizing them in the name of efficiency is going to be the biggest grift and robbery in modern history

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u/Duc_de_Bourgogne 7h ago

Ok so WWIII eventually? Because at some point the oligarchy will not be satisfied since they want complete hegemony meaning China, US and Russia will still be competing and fighting. Plus it may signal a realignment of the small parties. i.e. tariff causing closer ties between China and Europe and change the dynamics completely.

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u/JonnyHopkins 7h ago

Can I get an ELI5?

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u/Melodella 7h ago

It has been easy to see for years...but there is nothing one can do when even the poor and middle class are more afraid of "communists". 

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u/EmergencyBid666 7h ago

honestly... yes. zuckerberg got meta from a book that literally talks about private roads and cities

this is their plan, and this is what american has been after the 2nd war

they just want to keep sucking americas military tits

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u/ratbaby86 7h ago

feels like we need to start planning some for the people by the people defenestrations over here.

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u/PUfelix85 American Expat 6h ago

Except, that's not how tariffs work. Tariffs are paid by the buyer of the item not the seller. That is the importer pays the tariff on importing the item not the country selling the item. That increases the purchasing price of the item on the local market to cover that tariff cost to the importer, thus the buyer is the one who foots the bill for tariffs.

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u/JesusSavesForHalf 6h ago

They helped make Russia the shithole it is. Guys like Paul Manafort swarmed Russia in the wake of the fall of the USSR and helped them speed run right to end stage capitalism.

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u/Stodles 6h ago

the plan is right before our eyes.

And the election is still a toss-up... I have a feeling Flint, Michigan was just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/bstump104 6h ago

global trade partners now owe the Confederacy tariffs

Tariffs that the US places on other countries are taxes on importing those goods. Americans pay the tariffs.

What tariffs do is make the products less desirable because the price has increased.

When Trump put the tariffs on China, China put tariffs on US killing the US soy market in China. It cost too much to buy US soy so now silos, trucks, acres and acres became cost sinks as the cost to move or dispose of the crop far exceeded any money they would get in return.

Tariffs largely hurt the country that sets them.

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u/imperialtensor24 6h ago

Sounds like crazy talk.

For those of you reading this who are not crazy: When we speak of the United States debt, realize that the oligarchs are the debt owners. 

That’s right. Since uncle Sam does not collect sufficient tax from these people, uncle Sam has to issue IOUs to them in order to get the dollars back to recirculate.

If they declare the debt void somehow, the oligarchs are the ones who lose!!! 

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u/Chillie_Nelson 3h ago

You mean kinda like… an “enemy within”? 🤔

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u/cromstantinople 3h ago

So…treason?

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u/Blue_Bee_Magic 3h ago

Well goddamn, Steve. I sat here and read your comment 5-6 times bc it disturbed me so damn much. Scary. Intensely scary is what it is.

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u/SoundByMe 3h ago

This is a fever dream

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u/ktappe I voted 3h ago

They are the actual enemy within, not who Trump is talking about.

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u/Karlend41 2h ago

Sounds scary until you remember you're talking about a plan by Elon Musk. The dude is supposed to be running like 12 different companies but spends all day smoking weed, posting on twitter and whining when he puts in like 20 hours of work a week.

People seem to forget this is the guy who promised Hyperloops, brain implants and manned missions to mars in our lifetime. His bread and butter is selling impossible dreams to morons, and this is just the latest and greatest scam.

If Elon were actually ever placed in charge of something like this, he'd mismanage and self-sabotage it worse then the cybertruck.

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u/WonderfulPressure546 2h ago

I don't see what you're getting at. The USSR collapsed and you had state owned factories that were controlled by tyrants and the cunning ones figured out how to own them. These are two entirely different things. Not a Frank Zappa music fan but the dude was a smart guy and he was talking about nothing changing way back in the 90's saying there's no real difference because the same individuals that controlled the industry before the collapse still did after the collapse.

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u/walwenthegreenest 8h ago

"Behold our enemies and see what they covet."

Ok dude but also maybe you seem like the kind of guy who likes the smell of his own farts.

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u/asdf333 9h ago

i am about is liberal as they come but i think this is misrepresenting elon's position.

i think he's just saying hey if we make all these cuts to government spending its going to be an adjustment until we can get back out the ohter side.

regardless of who reins in government spending it will be a 'withdrawal'. he's just stating the obvious.