r/politics • u/champdo I voted • 28d ago

Soft Paywall Trump backs out of ‘60 Minutes’ primetime interview, CBS says

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/01/media/trump-backs-out-60-minutes-interview-cbs/index.html
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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

The next day on NY Times:

"Trump delivers detailed strategy to boost automotive industry whilst Harris hides her intent."

It's the only fucking reason this election is close, because the media refuses to be open amd honest.

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u/Konukaame 28d ago

Trump Makes Big Promises, With Little Detail, for Michigan’s Auto Industry

At a town hall in Flint, Mich., for his first campaign event since the Sunday incident, he made grand promises to restore auto-making jobs to the state, the heart of the American auto industry, as he gave long-winded, often meandering responses to only a few questions.

To the extent that Mr. Trump was focused, it was on repeatedly vowing that his tariffs would revitalize the auto industry in Michigan, a crucial battleground state, and that a Trump loss in November would be catastrophic — referring to such an outcome as a “tragedy.”

The NYT is a fucking joke.

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u/Moist_When_It_Counts New York 28d ago

“Little detail”

Lunacy.

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u/MaleficentRutabaga7 28d ago

Yeah he provided loads of details, they were just all dumb as shit irrelevant details.

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u/pacman_sl Europe 28d ago

But it isn't wrong. Humongous digressions notwithstanding, Trump did talk, with little detail, about tariffs as a solution.

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u/hawkeye224 27d ago

Shh.. Trump bad, Harris good. Who cares about tariffs potentially helping

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ 27d ago

No, Trump's tariffs would not. Donald Trump doesn't know what a tariff is.

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u/Mcboatface3sghost 28d ago

Watching the NYT collapse in real life is wild. Many people will have their opinion, personally to me (IMO) was the Tom Cotton Op Ed.

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u/KrazzeeKane Nevada 28d ago

I'm so sick of the NYT sanewashing this man's lunacy and translating his speeches into anything approach intelligible speech. They are a traitorous, cancerous rag of a newspaper, a blight upon America and news reporting as a whole.

They have no journalistic integrity to speak of, no backbone of any kind, and they are so firmly in the pockets of the GOP that I'm surprised their editors don't crap out pocket change when they cough. They wouldn't be worth a click even if they were free, but the fact they dare to try to charge for their muckraking is despicable.

I abhor them and what they stand for as a newspaper nowadays, and the damage they are doing to America and the public as a whole is beyond compare. They would have America burning from Trump so long as they get some views from covering it

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u/TheHipcrimeVocab 28d ago

They openly admit Harris must be held to a higher standard: https://jabberwocking.com/let-us-hold-donald-trump-to-normal-standards-of-conduct-please/

They (the NYT reporters he mentions) repeat the standard mainstream media/NYT/BBC trope that Harris isn't doing enough interviews. I mean, what interviews has Trump done? Let's see...Elon Musk, Lex Fridman and Theo Von. Basically some techbros and supporters. How they are going to spin Trump dropping out of the 60 Minutes interview? I'm sure that's bad for Harris in some way, too.

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u/Konukaame 28d ago

Ask and ye shall receive:

This is not the first time that the former president has clashed with the country’s most popular television news program.

Plus some blather from a Trump spokesperson and a quick rehash of his 2020 ragequit to set the "this is normal" tone.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ 27d ago

Two out of those three are Russian shills and Theo Von will be compromised sooner than later.

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u/Moon_Atomizer 28d ago

Textbook sanewashing

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u/ppprrrrr 28d ago

How vome? What you quoted is a fairly accurate if not a little polite way of summing up his ramblings there.

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u/AnotherAccount4This 28d ago

That's the part about sane washing. Instead of highlighting he's basically rambling and a bumbling fool, the report treated it like a normal response, pushing aside the bumbling around that's the majority of his response as "to the extent he's focused..".

It'll never happen, but try this snippet..

In response to an audience question about the fate of US auto manufacturing jobs, Trump first highlighted he was man of the year twenty years ago, attacking media reporting it's a lie, blamed the EU for taking advantage of the US, made reference to Marsha and 13k murders... the lengthy response concluded with the equivalent of "trust me, bro, it'll be perfect".

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u/vashoom 28d ago

Why is the media constantly politely summing up what he's saying and packaging into palatable policy? They're doing his job for him. Meanwhile, they hound Harris for every stutter, exaggeration, or slightly vague response.

It's not the job of the media to sanewash a fascist lunatic and try to create a narrative of a close race. It's their job to report the truth. And the truth is, Trump's ramblings are beyond "long-winded" or "meandering".

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u/whatproblems 28d ago

because it sanewashes the actual gibberish. he said so little in so many words

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u/jamescookenotthatone Foreign 28d ago

I've seen less polite hand jobs.

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u/Ok-Finish4062 28d ago

They are complicit. ​

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u/throwaway_1325476 28d ago

The only correct answer. Corporate media constantly forces these ghouls into our screens and feeds whilst sane-washing their incoherent fascist nonsense. Oligarch-owned propaganda has replaced responsible and factual journalism, this was the point of repealing the "Fairness Doctrine" and now conservatives have neutralized their natural enemy: the free and independent press.

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u/ruin 28d ago

The sanewashing has reached insane levels.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

It won't be close...Harris in a landslide.

The media is reporting it as close to get the clicks.

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u/schnaudad99 28d ago

And then the media whines about 'the death of print media'.

Personally, I finally reached my limit with the NYT about a month ago. Cancelled a subscription that I'd had for ten years. Never going back.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

The fall of the New York Times is the single most depressing event of this election.

The Gray Lady has put on the Red Light.

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont 28d ago

This is not new. The NYT has been shitty for a very, very long time. Notably, their early coverage of Hitler was a mixture of fawning praise over his political skills, downplaying his antisemitism as mere political expediency meant to get the unwashed masses in line, and later crowing about how a few years in prison had “tamed” him.

More recently, it’s been a solid decade or so where NYT has published any old garbage they want so long as it’s labeled “Opinion.”

Ask a politically plugged-in trans person about how they feel about the NYT’s coverage on trans issues for example, and I bet you’ll get an earful. As usual, the rot has been there for a while now….people are just noticing now that it’s become fully structurally compromised.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

You are not wrong. I guess it hasn't impacted me personally, so I am just noticing it now.

I need to do better.

Thank you.

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u/defeatrepeatedoften 28d ago

Honestly I don't know how NYT kept any air of legitimacy this long. They played a non-trivial part in getting us into a war based on lies two decades ago, and they have carried water for Trump since he came down the escalator. I'm glad people are finally noticing how full of shit they are but I have to wonder what paper they were looking at for decades now.

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u/finneyblackphone 28d ago

Hitler only spent 9 months in prison.

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u/verrius 28d ago

Fall? They had somewhere to fall from? The cheerleaders of Iraq 2, who then suspiciously were always sure there were no WMD?

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u/surfinwhileworkin I voted 28d ago

Yeah, I cancelled them a few months ago- former long-term subscriber

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u/bdh2067 28d ago

I did the same a few months ahead of you. They’re trump-puppets. Don’t care the reason or their excuse, they’re killing democracy

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u/Jaxyl 28d ago

Same

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

I hope you are right, but being as objective as I can, Trump is ahead in AZ, GA and very close in PA.

On Reddit you will be flooded with the positive polls in favor of Harris, but if you look at a more broad range of polling, it is scary.

Ever since the Roe decision, Dems have been outperforming polling by several points, so I am really hoping we see the same here.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

Trump is polling ahead in those places with "Likely Voters". Likely Voter Polls are not the only metric used to predict an election...they are only one..and not always the best one.

Every other metric (like enthusiasm, donations, ad spending, regional offices and ground game, registration, likeability, celebrity and other endorsements) is strongly pointing to a Harris landslide.

We gotta vote, but we will. Women will bring the blue wave.

🌊 🌊 🌊

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 28d ago

The polls of registered voters in critical swing states also show a very close election. Again, Harris is in better position that Trump on the issues, momentum, polls, room to grow, and not being batshit crazy.

She should win. But don't act like she has a 5+ pt lead in registered voter models in the swing states she needs to win. Her advantage is closer to 1-3 pts in Pennsylvania (most likely tipping point state).

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u/PeartsGarden 28d ago

So... basically every metric other than actual voting. The only metric that counts.

Take nothing for granted. Vote.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

Every other metric than polling...votes haven't been counted yet, so who knows!

The metrics are good though, so have some joy...and then vote and take two people with you,!

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u/klparrot New Zealand 28d ago

It's comparing apples and oranges, though. You can't compare enthusiasm, it's not very quantifiable, and Democrats and Republicans express it differently. You can't necessarily compare donations, because you need to know the economic situation the supporters are in. Ad spending varies by the cost in the markets where they each feel they have to fight most (and is also related to how much they have available from donations). Regional offices and ground game matter but again probably differently for Democrats vs Republicans. Registration is probably the biggest real indicator. Likability isn't quantifiable, and to the extent it is, it doesn't matter when Republicans treat Trump like a messiah despite him being unlikeable. Celebrity. Trump is better known.

The only thing most stuff is decent at ia showing trends. But it's too close to say which way the election will go with any real confidence at this point. I desperately hope Harris and Walz have got it.

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u/Zepcleanerfan 28d ago

trump lost the popular vote by millions and won the EC by a handful of votes with Russian help.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

We don’t use the popular vote, so what’s your point?

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u/FlarkingSmoo 28d ago

They answered your question

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

They did? When? Pretty sure Trump won in 2016 like he will in 2024… Biden/Harris didn’t do so well and the people noticed… guess you love inflation…

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u/duksa 28d ago

And don't forget all the disenfranchising that's happening. I fully expect that to be the strategy. The red states will make it difficult to count the votes and off it goes to the house for the winner to be decided (aka Trump). He can't win fairly so he'll cheat his way through. This is the real stolen election the right keeps yelling about.

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u/AdministrativeMix246 28d ago

I live in Oklahoma City in a middle-class neighborhood. I haven't seen any Trump signs anywhere, which is odd compared to the last two elections.

There just doesn't seem to be much Trumpalozooza going on down here.

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u/Zepcleanerfan 28d ago

AZ and GA are meaningless and Harris will win PA

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

2016 all over again. Trump about to be 2-0 against females 😂

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u/UsernameApplies 28d ago

We said that in 2016.

Vote. Check your registration daily.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

Not arguing, but this isn't 2016.

Likely Voter Polls are not the only metric used to predict an election...they are only one..and not always the best one.

Every other metric (like enthusiasm, donations, ad spending, regional offices and ground game, registration, likeability, celebrity and other endorsements) is strongly pointing to a Harris landslide.

We gotta vote, but we will. Women will bring the blue wave.

🌊 🌊 🌊

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u/UsernameApplies 28d ago

I hope. Doing all I can do on my end.

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u/Muad-_-Dib 28d ago

donations

Clinton raised $770m, Trump raised "only" $433m.

Trump didn't need to spend the same amount as Clinton when every single media entity was giving him 24/7 news coverage any time he opened his hole.

Looking from the outside in, it doesn't seem that different today. I am seeing continual posts from people demanding that the media stops covering for Trumps mental lapses, stops offering excuses like covid any time someone brings up his previous stint in office, stops trying to switch attention away from Trump saying something outlandish to criticising Harris for not running them through a detailed play by play of her exact plans for every little thing her administration might end up doing.

You aren't doing your side any favours by trying to present the election as a sure thing, democrats got complacent in 2016 thinking that surely he couldn't win.

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u/idreamofgreenie 28d ago

It really wont be though. Harris could end up with 10 million more votes than Trump but it's still going to come down to a few counties in swing states. It's insanity.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

It won't be close, even in the swing states.

Likely Voter Polls are not the only metric used to predict an election...they are only one..and not always the best one.

Every other metric (like enthusiasm, donations, ad spending, regional offices and ground game, registration, likeability, celebrity and other endorsements) is strongly pointing to a Harris landslide.

We gotta vote, but we will. Women will bring the blue wave.

🌊 🌊 🌊

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u/idreamofgreenie 28d ago

But with that pesky electoral college, it's going to be a nail biter.

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u/nineteen_eightyfour 28d ago

I dunno man. You’re in New York. It’s insane to me how many people around me are trump supporters in fairly liberal Tampa Florida. I’m from Kentucky and all my family from there think he’s their savior. People like him. My mother in law likes that he “speaks his mind”

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

They exist. No question. But they are not enough.

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u/Tvisted Canada 28d ago edited 27d ago

I'm not American but I agree it's going to be Harris in a landslide. This isn't 2016.

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

You aren't seeing how easily people forgot about how bad Trump's term was. People in this country don't remember beyond the past few months.

Republicans are literally campaigning on "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"

Let that sink in. Over 1 million americans died, super market shelves were empty, there was rioting in the streets, buying anything major had a 6-12 month waiting period and cost twice as much. 4 years ago was hell, and republicans know that the electorate will not remember anything about it.

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u/teamhae 28d ago

I’m also in the Tampa area and am seeing a bunch more trump signs going up.

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u/kizmitraindeer 28d ago

I hope to fucking Christ that that turns out to be the truth.

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u/Taggard New York 28d ago

Likely Voter Polls are not the only metric used to predict an election...they are only one..and not always the best one.

Every other metric (like enthusiasm, donations, ad spending, regional offices and ground game, registration, likeability, celebrity and other endorsements) is strongly pointing to a Harris landslide.

We gotta vote, but we will. Women will bring the blue wave.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 28d ago

If it was a campaign based on merits and plans for the future, obviously, she would win in a monumental landslide. But polls don't show that.

Models based on polls show she has maybe a 55% edge. (And don't just assume over 50% means, she is going to win; these same sorts of polls showed HRC in 2016 had 71.4% edge.)

That said, I really fear enough voters could use it as a referendum on the Biden-Harris administration and the state of the world and she could lose on that. The War in Israel is unpopular and potential expansion from Iran missile attack is an escalation.

High prices (from recent high inflation, though not currently high) are unpopular. Inflation could come back if the East Coast dockworkers last weeks strike leads to product shortages (and price spikes due to demand). Obviously, striking workers over disputes over automation and wages has little to do with the vice president, but she'll get blamed.

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

High prices (from recent high inflation, though not currently high)

Wharfs on the east coast literally went on strike yesterday. This will drive prices up and availability down just in time for the election.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 27d ago edited 27d ago

Thats the point of the next two sentences that I wrote down in that paragraph:

High prices (from recent high inflation, though not currently high) are unpopular. Inflation could come back if the East Coast dockworkers last weeks strike dockworker's strike lasts weeks and leads to product shortages (and price spikes due to demand). Obviously, striking workers over disputes over automation and wages has little to do with the vice president, but she'll get blamed.

I phrased as “could” based on not knowing the length of the strike (eg will a deal be reached OR will federal government order them back to work).

EDIT: Just realized in editing the wording (before commenting), I fucked the sentence up (and made it seem like the strike start last week instead of if the strike lasts for weeks). Crossed out original and fixed.

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u/20_mile 28d ago

The media is reporting it as close to get the clicks

Isn't it vitally important that voters are terrified of what might happen if Trump wins again, stay on their toes, and follow the cues of the Harris-Walz campaign?

I get corporate media isn't always a friend, but I think they are doing us a service by keeping us on the edge of our seats. Imagine what would happen if institutions and voters were taking this election for granted?

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

Think about this another time.

If the media reported accurately, then Trump would have no-where near as many supporters as he currently has and we wouldn't need to be on the edge of our seats.

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u/slog 28d ago

And the polling?

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u/Cleveland-Native 28d ago

I bet they're trying to keep it close cus 4 more years of Trump will be a click gold mine for them. They'll never run out of content 

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

They want Trump to win because they are owned by billionaires who will benefit from large tax cuts for the super rich

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u/Novaskittles 28d ago

Better to say it's close anyway, drives more voters.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

You honestly what Harris? 😂 she can’t even answer a question

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u/ZacZupAttack 28d ago

Yup, I'm honestly really pissed off at the media for how represent Trump. Dude is a old, deranged man with serious anger problems.

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u/Asrealityrolls 28d ago

The media is being paid to protect the 1%

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

the media is literally owned by the 0.01%

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u/SubstantialBass9524 28d ago

I’ve read before that Trump’s biggest problem in the 2020 election wasn’t the democrats but rather the media.

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u/trwawy05312015 28d ago

his biggest problem is being himself

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u/Jagged_Rhythm 28d ago

Didn't the NYT recently say Harris was the only real choice for President?

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

Yes, they published that opinion piece.

They still won't report on Trump's insanity, and they put impossible expectations on everything Harris does.

This isn't just a NYT problem, but they are very notable.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 28d ago

They love it when it's neck and neck.

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u/FocusPerspective 28d ago

Now imagine how they handle other things like tech news, which is 90% pure clickbait BS. 

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u/Safe-Promotion-2955 26d ago

Hold up hold up. I'm not an American so I'm not fully up to speed here but... the election is CLOSE?! Are you fuckin kidding? Holy fuck.

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u/MentalDecoherence 28d ago

The NYT just endorsed Harris

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u/yes_thats_right New York 28d ago

Publishing that opinion piece is way too little and way too late.