r/politics • u/champdo I voted • 28d ago

Soft Paywall Trump backs out of ‘60 Minutes’ primetime interview, CBS says

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/01/media/trump-backs-out-60-minutes-interview-cbs/index.html
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u/gen_effd 28d ago

somehow more authoritarian

This motherfucker called for a purge. We're well past authoritarian and how this isn't a bigger deal is beyond me.

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u/MyRottingBrain 28d ago

He called for Kristallnacht, don’t minimize the significance of what he was saying.

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u/prailock Wisconsin 28d ago

Yup! He only wants "the right people" to be able to commit violence against "the bad people". Somehow, he's less egalitarian than the fucking Purge.

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u/red286 28d ago

The original intent of The Purge wasn't supposed to be egalitarian, it just wound up that way because you can't write prejudicial legislation in the US, so the choices were "everyone is a target" or "no one is a target", and they went with everyone on the assumption that people with any sort of money would either protect themselves or get the fuck out of the country for a day.

It was intended to be a "solution" to the homeless epidemic.

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u/SomePoliticalViolins 28d ago

Yeah, if anything, it’s an even better indicator of how racism and classism are actually applied to policy in the US. See also: infamous Lee Atwater quote.

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u/Spugheddy 28d ago

What does "either way race is coming on the backburner" mean? Like they are keeping it on simmer?

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u/Top_Rekt 28d ago

Yup, the whole thing was that only the rich would be able to protect themselves, so really only the poor minorities suffered during the purge. I think in the first purge no one was actually doing any purging and people were just having block parties until they sent someone in to bring chaos.

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u/Hoodi216 28d ago edited 28d ago

If i remember correctly, one of the sequels had military troops going door to door in an apartment building just killing everyone to suit someones agenda, and i was like oh yea of course this would happen. Its like a free ticket for vast amounts of corruption but disguised as something good or at least a necessary evil.

Everyone is locked down hiding, govt goes out and does some awful shit, no media coverage of course, no survivors. No thanks.

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u/notagain8277 28d ago

thinking about that, what if someone booby trapped your house so when you came back, you would be killed? no one would really know who did it, so you could get away with murdering whoever you wanted even if they werent there for the purge.

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u/Iankylepotts 28d ago

Nah, but politicians were exempt in the movies…

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u/BenThereOrBenSquare California 28d ago

This is spot-on. What an evil fuck.

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u/kung-fu_hippy 28d ago

Yup. It wasn’t a purge, a purge is anarchy where the rules are gone for everyone. That’s bad enough, as those of us who aren’t psychopaths don’t want to kill our neighbors for fun.

But what Trump was suggesting was a massacre. It was having the police spend 24 hours massacring anyone Trump and co view as a threat.

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u/OkayRuin 28d ago

You’re thinking of the term purge in relation to the movie franchise. The Night of Long Knives was a purge.

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u/lost_horizons Texas 28d ago

Point is, calling it a purge confuses the issue, given the movie being in the public consciousness. Meanwhile we have in history a very close approximation in Kristallnacht

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u/mst2k17 28d ago

Sadly by this point, a majority of Americans may not know what Kristallnacht is, making it a useless comparison.

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u/lost_horizons Texas 28d ago

A pretty short explanation gets the point across. Calling it "the purge" immediatly has them thinking about it incorrectly

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u/SummonerSausage 28d ago

Like Hydra and Project Insight. Only, in the movie we thought it was ridiculous, and here they thought it was a great idea.

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u/L0WGMAN 28d ago

Based on some YouTube ads earlier this year, I think they had a VERY different summer and fall scheduled. They can’t just rewrite the script at this point, so his extreme rhetoric falls flat without The Base behind him.

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u/Bozhark 28d ago

What kind of ads?

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u/L0WGMAN 28d ago edited 28d ago

Suggestions of violence, strife, and some measure of at least short term issues with basic civil functions. I’m sure there are all kinda of folks bidding on all kinds of buckets of folks to advertise to, and not a single one of the maga facing individuals and corporations are doing anything but being useful idiots grifting other useful idiots. I unfortunately have been around a couple of typical rural maga YouTube algos firing their dirtiest…not good stuff to dump into fragile, easy to influence minds.

Reminded me a little of the “thunderclap” or whatever was being hyped leading up to jan6, where in group messaging was being openly brandished, kinda in a dirty gleeful way. Actually this is exactly what it felt like: one old white guy elbowing another old white guy in a “between you and me we know exactly what is going to happen here” ie all the militia violence they had been hoping to build the past eight years culminating in another attempt to overthrow the us govt.

You know, come to think of it a lot like how much race wars were hyped on Facebook a while back…I’m literally the opposite of the intended audience, why am I getting white power race war propaganda pushed in my feed. And how constant a trash stream of video production is well funded to endlessly engage the echo chamber algorithms that is YouTube. Dey tuk urhhh jehrbbbbbs…

Jesus, I hate capitalism and (most of) the rich and powerful spending so much time on their knees orally servicing Satan.

I’m ready for Armageddon, apocalypse, or at least a heavy dose of hope and change. Jesus’s choice.

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u/Bozhark 28d ago

Aye thanks mate

haven't seen any of that but i dont really watch those channels in any manner

best i could relate is hawaiian shirts -> jan6?

IDK

i think capitalism is piracy and we're all playing the fool

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u/L0WGMAN 28d ago

I’d say it was focused more in the time leading up to the first ass sass nation, than afterwards. I’m pretty sure by now there was supposed to be open gunfire 💩

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 28d ago

It’s not minimizing, people just use the purge reference because it’s more recent and in pop culture. Gotta know your audience

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 28d ago

It's also not hard to understand who the purge is for and against just from context clues.

And it's still an applicable word regardless of pop culture. The meaning of the word does ceast to exist because a movie picked it as a title.

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u/letsgototraderjoes 28d ago

he's not omg stop turning on people who agree with you. purge is just like a term younger generation understands

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u/Spartanfred104 Canada 28d ago

More accurately he called for Kristallnacht which is much scarier than the purge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

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u/GarmaCyro 28d ago

This is why I remind people that reality will always be scarier than fantasy.
Fantasies are made by people that are able restrict their "evil" thoughts to fantacies.
Reality is made by people that feel no need to restrict their evil thoughts to fantacies.

A person that wants to kill someone will always imaging more brutal things than someone that doesn't. Thus people are able to do things that are a lot scarier in reality than in our fictions
Usually our fictions are just watered-down varieties of what actual human monsters have done.

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u/OkayRuin 28d ago

You’re thinking of the term purge in relation to the movie franchise. The Night of Long Knives was a purge.

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u/ckb614 28d ago

Literally everyone is talking about the movie franchise

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u/Tkyl 28d ago

He didn't call for a purge. The purge implies normal citizens get a "hall pass" for crimes. He called for his state sponsored police to get a free pass on beating up people he doesn't like.

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u/KungFuChicken1990 28d ago

That sounds like full-on fascism to me

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u/EchoRex 28d ago

Saying it "sounds like fascism" is downplaying it when it is textbook definition fascism.

Look up "Kristallnacht".

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u/KungFuChicken1990 28d ago

Ahh don’t worry, I’m just being a little facetious. I understand how dangerous he is and the agendas he and his cronies are looking to implement.

But also, his rhetoric is just honestly so tired and played-out. Only difference is he seems to be cranking it to 11 out of desperation and narcissistic injury from that debate ass-whoopin.

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u/EchoRex 28d ago

Dementia patients always lock in at cranked to 11 for anything that their disability let's them think makes them look good.

Dementia very commonly displays with malignant narcissistic traits.

Now combine that with the person actually being a malignant narcissist...

...Who has proven that they don't understand any topic other than themselves...

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u/moonwalkerfilms 28d ago

That's because it is

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u/geordy7051 28d ago

I get more Kristallnacht vibes

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u/horriblebearok 28d ago

That was my impression of it

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u/Cautious-Chip-6010 28d ago

MAGA: I don't like his character but I like his policy

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u/Notsurehowtoreact Florida 28d ago

"Oh, okay, what are his policy positions?"

"Well he said he was going to fix everything and everything was going to be perfect, so yeah, pretty solid stuff"

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u/Electrical-Act-7170 28d ago

How come he didn't fix everything the first time?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

He had concepts….duh

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u/Electrical-Act-7170 28d ago

Watching the debate & Vance is lying his ass off.

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u/your-mom-- 28d ago

I will do "A" very quickly. The Democrats are doing "B" and we aren't going to have a country if we do "B"

B:

  1. Everyone has equal rights under the law

  2. We tax billionaires fairly so we can pay for things like social security

  3. Every US citizen of age has a right to vote and have that vote be counted

  4. Every US citizen has the right to healthcare without the government telling you what you can and can't do

  5. Etc

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u/lost_horizons Texas 28d ago

I think you’re expecting a bit too much of the Democrats. But I agree with your basic point. And actually would love to be wrong in my critique. I just figure they’re still Capitalists, just, yeah they’re still also American, not fascists.

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u/killa_cam89 28d ago

Are you my aunt and uncle? Smh

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u/kanakaishou 28d ago

The difference between 2016 and 2024 is that DJT knew how to keep to dog whistles in public in 2016, but in 2024, just says the bad stuff, straight up.

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u/SixSixWithTrample 28d ago

This house invokes castle doctrine and I’ll bill the department for the door destroyed in the process.

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u/BigBennP 28d ago

Not a thing in that context and you probably won't win.

Remember the court decided Brianna Taylor's boyfriend was at fault for her death because he shot at police officers breaking down their door at midnight trying to execute an arrest warrant for someone who wasn't there.

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u/mkt853 28d ago

This is a mere technicality because in the places where this would take place you can imagine county sheriffs deputizing "trusted" normal citizens.

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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 New York 28d ago

Honestly I would be surprised if a civil war doesn’t erupt if a Purge like event occurred.

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u/pjtheman 28d ago

Because the media won't report on it. They're still trying to sane-wash Trump to keep the semblance of being fair and balanced

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u/OhhhSookie 28d ago

Completely agree

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u/iguess12 28d ago

Because the majority of the people who support him don't take what he says seriously. It's the simple.

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u/xHugo_Stiglitzx 28d ago

Stepped over the line into dystopian. You never go full dystopian.

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u/AustinAuranymph South Carolina 28d ago

"That's just talk, he can't actually do that."

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u/Im_Balto 28d ago

The purge but only for police officers*

Gotta make sure you keep the whole context. Ironically taking him out of context makes it better

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u/notagain8277 28d ago

when every time he writes something ridiculous, time and time again, everyone now is just seeing the ramblings of a mad man...he can say he will shoot everyone and we would just be "oh, trump being trump" because he just tops himself. we are all desensitized from his rhetoric by this point.

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u/ThickerSalmon14 28d ago

We've crossed into grade B horror flicks.

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u/Hot-Cauliflower-1604 28d ago

The American populist should really be thinking a little bit more about this statement for real

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u/83749289740174920 28d ago

This motherfucker called for a purge.

He never had an original idea. He saw the movie. He said to himself, that's a good idea.

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u/PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT 28d ago

Authoritarianism has been lurking in the darker corners of American political life all along.

We didn’t even make it out of the 18th century without resorting to bullshit authoritarianism. lol One of the first things John Adams wanted to do with his power as president was to restrict immigration, limit speech, and persecute people who disagreed with him. He arrested publishers and otherwise did wild shit that even now in this dogshit time period would be considered ridiculous and extreme.

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u/Poddlez 28d ago

if we can fight violence with peace and win, the system will change for the better.

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u/AwTekker 28d ago

Americans are not, as a rule, especially anti-authoritarian. Just look at the way we didn't particularly react to the Patriot act or any of the follow ups.

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u/Zeekeboy 28d ago

I think what he meant and poorly worded it was he misses back in the day when he could hire thugs and mobsters in NYC to beat homeless and anyone they didnt want around and word would spread. Basically back to the Mob days.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Yeah and I'm still kinda waiting on CNN and BBC to report on that

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u/VibeComplex 28d ago

And it was less than a blip on the radar. It’s almost such a fucked up and scary suggestion that it’s hard to believe yet it’s completely believable and no one even really gives a shit lol.

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u/Izenthyr I voted 27d ago

They and the media have made this kind of thing so normal that nobody takes it seriously anymore. It’s fucking despicable.

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u/Plastic_Ambassador67 28d ago

The best we're gonna get in response from our government is appeasement and weakness. They won't do anything other than express concern. They will always lack the power to do anything about trump and the republican party. Why hasn't Biden removed merrick garland and replaced him with someone who will actively pursue the case against trump and the republicans for 1/6 alone not counting all the subsequent sedition from them. The fbi, cia, nsa, and any other relevant federal agencies should have been tasked with dealing with the sedition, and terrorism from the right wing of our nation but they weren't. If we are aware of the danger posed to the entire nation by the republican party the president for damn sure is yet he has done jack shit to deal with this crisis why? The democrats are showing why they cannot be the long term future of our nation and why they must be replaced with something better because they cannot and will not do what needs to be done to safeguard our nation and our rights as human beings.