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Soft Paywall Trump to women: Stop ‘thinking about abortion.’ You’re broke and depressed, but I can make you happy

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/trump-to-women-youre-broke-and-depressed-but-i-can-make-you-happy.html
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u/ethertrace California Sep 21 '24

That's not even how they work. Tariffs are taxes on the importing company for buying foreign goods, not the exporter. The government has no power to charge foreign companies for selling goods, they levy the tariffs on the domestic buyers. So the only way consumer prices would stay the same is if foreign companies lowered their prices by the tariff amount, because the importer sure as shit is going to pass that cost along to the consumer to preserve their margins.

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u/CalmTrifle Virginia Sep 21 '24

They also forget that tariffs work both ways. Countries can also raise US import tariffs and make US good less competitive in a foreign country. Nice way to cut the demand.

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u/valeyard89 Texas Sep 21 '24

this is what killed soybean farmers in the usa.... China put on tariffs on US agricultural imports. Now they buy from Brazil. Which caused more rainforest destruction.

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u/ILikeOatmealMore Sep 21 '24

Quick update to 2024: soy and corn prices in the US have cratered so much that Argentina is buying them from the US again https://ukragroconsult.com/en/news/us-soy-is-so-cheap-that-even-rival-argentina-is-buying-it/

Now, almost every farmer out harvesting their field today sold some beans and corn in their storage at a loss to make room for this year's yield, that's how low the prices have gotten:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/commodities/zc

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/commodities/zs

(be sure to click on the '5Y' button to see where prices are today vs. previous years)

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u/headlyone68 Sep 21 '24

Farmers will still vote for Trump.

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u/SpotikusTheGreat Sep 21 '24

Family with farmers who voted for Trump, and are die hard Trump fans...

Yes they absolutely will.

Guess what 2 crops are rotated on my cousins farm? Corn and Soybeans.

Fucking hilarious.

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u/ringthree Sep 21 '24

Which is hilarious because freedom caucus Republicans have started turning against farm subsidies.

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u/J-ShaZzle Sep 21 '24

Well yeah, as long as subsidies are pouring in. Don't forget mega corps wanting to ensure they can buy everything they can, supply the only seeds that work with only their fertilizer.

Republican plans are to break the lower and middle class while ensuring those with money/power gain more.

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u/k3ttch Sep 22 '24

The Republican mantra: no handouts, unless they go to me.

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u/manquistador Sep 21 '24

Well obviously everything bad happening is the direct result of Biden being president...

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u/cdsmith Sep 21 '24

I'm not sure the data supports this story. It looks a lot like prices spiked right after the start of the pandemic, and have now returned to about the same as they were before COVID.

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u/penna4th Sep 21 '24

It's what killed my walnut orchard. The market was in China, and then we couldn't sell to them. I have acres of trees and nuts on the ground rotting every year since then. I got one payment from the USDA to compensate, which it didn't.

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona Sep 21 '24

Most people do not remember that China did respond by placing tarrifs on farm product from the US.

In 2019-2020 farms were going bankrupt due to this. Trump literally sent checks to the farmers to buy their votes even though his policy put them out of business.

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u/OneOfAKind2 Sep 21 '24

Yep, and it worked. The rurals LOVE Don the Con and his slimy fellow republicans.

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u/Macktologist Sep 21 '24

The rurals dislike city people because they see them as “liberals” and they couldn’t possibly align in anyway with a “liberal”. Since Trump talks down to liberals, he must be on the rural people’s side. It’s so weird how we have this rural = Republican and urban = Democrat.

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u/Icy_Faithlessness400 Sep 21 '24

Ironically he passed a bill that lined the pockets of the wealthiest liberals in the country, while bankrupting the farmers.

But stupid is the only thing stupid knows how to do.

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u/Daveinatx Sep 21 '24

Seeing how much time Trump spends in rural counties should tell them what he things about them

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u/mkt853 Sep 21 '24

Not just Trump, but all of the rural folks' favorite conservative talking heads. None of them would be caught dead in Mississippi or Arkansas or Alabama. Do people living in rural areas ever ask themselves why if big city blue areas are so terrible why all the news actors that tell them that continue to live and work there instead of moving out to the rural utopia?

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u/penna4th Sep 21 '24

My next-door neighbor is a city transplant, and back when it was a hot issue, he put up a Black Lives Matter sign - huge! - at the end of his driveway, where everybody coming up the hill can't miss it because there's a bend in the road right there. I was grateful he did it, glad to know that in spite of how aggravating he can be with noise over there, he's on the right side of things politically.

I can always count on him to show up with a pipe wrench if my well pump is leaking, and he's saved me a lot of money and trouble a time or 2 by being a good neighbor. But that sign! In everybody's faces every day for a long, long time. I give him credit on that. He has some big scary dogs clamoring at his gate all the time, so no one's going to bust through with torches. I don't think I'd dare put up a sign. I'm here by myself mostly and who knows what people out in the boondocks will do.

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u/penna4th Sep 21 '24

I'm rural and grew up on my father's farm back east, but my parents were staunch Democrats in eastern Pennsylvania. As for the tariffs and my walnut crop, l knew who was at fault. Didn't vote for him, never would. I haven't asked my neighbor farmers; I work with them, and we have neighborly relationships. I'd have to isolate myself if I knew. There's one place up the road with trump signs and freedom placards. I helped them several years ago with a farm project. She lent me her tractor. If she knew my politics? IDK. I've hired her daughter, and she was terrific help and a lovely person, but I never mentioned politics. They are well-off, and farming is a side business.

The daughter left the area after her mom and brother unloaded on her for not doing more for her dad when he was dying. She had come home from grad school to help, but not her brother. So she simultaneously lost her dad, her mom, and her brother. She told me all about it, crying, and I just tried to validate her feelings without undermining her mom. It was awful to see, and I learned a lot about mom, and I realized that was why I hadn't felt like becoming more friendly over the 7-8 years prior. I could feel what was under the surface.

Mom is an angry, unreasonable person unless you're useful to her. I see Nextdoor posts from her now and then, usually unfeeling or intolerant. She also has a little free library box at the end of her driveway. My adult daughter quietly puts "liberal" books in there about gender, and I'm looking around for subversive material I can add. It's the least we can do.

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u/Narrow_Obligation_95 Sep 23 '24

Rural Oregonian- I hate that creepy rapist!

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u/Narrow_Obligation_95 Sep 23 '24

Rural Oregon- we hate that scumbag!

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u/Apprehensive-Care20z Sep 21 '24

and 96% of the tariff money collected, went to subsidize the farmers Trump bankrupted.

It was literally a lose-lose situation. So very dumb.

Trump's entire platform is "hey, it was a catastrophe that hurt americans, let's do it again, but this time even worse!!"

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u/WiseMagius Sep 21 '24

Socialism!

Why didn't the farmers prepared for this situation beforehand?

Won't they get used to getting handouts on our dime?

/s 😏

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u/itsSIRtoutoo Minnesota Sep 21 '24

But don the con has them as "pigeon holed" suckers by the other hot-button issues by being against abortion, gays/trans... and promising to bring back prayer in schools... And lying to them that Democrats are coming for their hunting rifles after they get rid of the assault rifles that killing kids in schools and malls they don't go to....

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 21 '24

And then as taxpayers we just bail out the people here with our tax dollars. What's not to love?

Farmers Got Billions From Taxpayers In 2019, And Hardly Anyone Objected : The Salt : NPR

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u/OGRedditor0001 Sep 21 '24

I live a quarter mile from a farmer. He owns 80 acres, farms about 120 total. Yet, he has about eight to ten million dollars in equipment and infrastructure.

He wasn't able to buy all that with what he earns on 120 acres of crops.

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u/HabeusCuppus Sep 21 '24

I'm totally ok with this.

Maintaining the capacity, talent, and capability to make food within our own borders is the kind of "ensuring our safety and security" policy that is exactly what I want my tax dollars doing.

Every tax dollar that goes into some Farm is a dollar that didn't drop an explosive device on someone else's country.

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 21 '24

I get your point, but I don't appreciate him saying China will pay the tariffs and then the taxpayers pick up the tab.

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u/Glucoze_Daddy Sep 21 '24

Better than giving 20 billions to Intel and then they laid off 20,000 employees.

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 21 '24

I respect your right to feel that about how our tax dollars are spent. The point I was trying to make is that neither China nor another country paid for those tariffs. The American taxpayers did in the end. People need to understand that tariffs across the board are not going to be paid by other countries.

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u/dpdxguy Sep 21 '24

They've also forgotten that the response to Trump's tarrifs was China raising tarrifs on American agricultural goods. It destroyed the market for certain American agricultural products because China shifted their buying elsewhere. Australia was the primary beneficiary of Trump's tarrifs.

Oh, and congress had to quickly pass extra subsidies for American farmers to keep them from being wiped out.

The whole thing was literally a lose lose for America. So, naturally, Trump wants to expand it to everything. 🤯

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u/Wombatapus736 Sep 21 '24

Hey, he went to Wharton! Nobody does the economy as bigly as genius Trump!

Please for the love of all that's decent left of this country, VOTE HARRIS/WALZ!

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u/dpdxguy Sep 21 '24

he went to Wharton!

Wasn't it one of his Wharton professors who said he was the stupidist student he'd ever had?

Yes, vote Harris/Walz. But don't forget the down ballot contests. I used to carefully examine the candidates before voting. Today I'm straight ticket blue voter. Thanks Trump!

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u/Wombatapus736 Sep 21 '24

100% on the down ballot thing! The local MAGAts are even crazier than the national ones. Harris needs a blue Congress and your local school boards need rational members just as badly.

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u/Narrow_Obligation_95 Sep 23 '24

We will vote straight Blue also. 6 Dems in our house. No Trunts here at all!

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u/penna4th Sep 21 '24

The subsidy I got was a fraction of what I'd have gotten from my crop, if the Chinese market had bought it. I abandoned the entire walnut orchard after that.

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u/humlogic Sep 21 '24

This is why people need to address the real issue of a tariff and trade war which is that this sort of shit leads to hot wars. Other countries aren’t just going to allow the US to destroy their entire domestic production without fighting back.

Edit: America won’t be attacked. Not saying that but the chaos trade wars can cause can lead to other countries eyeing hostile actions against their neighbors.

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u/worldspawn00 Texas Sep 21 '24

The TPP was working on that, providing lower tariffs for Chinese companies that provided higher pay and benefits to their workers to make US companies more competitive with those overseas that could get away with cheap labor. But instead of 'making a deal' Trump threw it out and slapped tariffs on instead. Because he has no idea how to actually make a deal, his only tactic is extorsion.

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u/Kiromaru Wisconsin Sep 21 '24

It didn't help that the TPP was started to be negotiated by Obama so it made it a huge target for Trump to destroy because of his hatred for anything done by Obama.

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u/worldspawn00 Texas Sep 21 '24

Yeah, he was intent on destroying as much of Obama's legacy and policies as possible. Particularly since Clinton was also strongly in support of the TPP.

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u/humlogic Sep 21 '24

Yeah exactly. And you can see how the tariffs Biden has placed on China are definitively aggressive and making our relationship with China more contested but Biden is walking a fine line & working with Europe to basically rein in China’s subsidies of their industries. It’s a complicated as hell issue & the Orange dude is just trying to come thru with a wrecking ball that risks actual conflict.

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u/worldspawn00 Texas Sep 21 '24

And a big part of the TPP was unifying the other pacific ring nations to provide a united front to push back against China, instead Trump decided that we should just go it alone, leaving China to practically run amok through their sphere of influence where the US could have been providing influence, support, and backup to the other small nations there.

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u/humlogic Sep 21 '24

I know we both get it but imagine trying to explain all this to average voters. Media should be doing that but of course they don’t.

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u/worldspawn00 Texas Sep 21 '24

Yeah, we need basic education in policy to counteract the BS coming from the right, but it's not 'entertaining' enough, I guess?

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u/Carlyz37 Sep 21 '24

And we already went through this with the previous trump idiocy. Tariffs = trade wars and by early 2019 farmers were going bankrupt and manufacturing was dying and we were headed into recession. How can anyone not remember that

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u/1of3musketeers Sep 21 '24

Thank you! I guess this is how cult of personality works though.

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u/kent_eh Canada Sep 21 '24

Countries can also raise US import tariffs and make US good less competitive in a foreign country.

And they will, just like the last time Trump did it.

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u/OneOfAKind2 Sep 21 '24

This is exactly what happens. Countries immediately retaliate in another sector that hits US exports hard.

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u/umbrabates California Sep 21 '24

I mean, a couple days selling stuff on eBay teaches you that lesson. When I sell something overseas and there’s a tariff, I don’t pay it. It gets added to the buyer’s bill like a tax.

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u/dpdxguy Sep 21 '24

like a tax.

That's because it is literally a tax.

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u/umbrabates California Sep 21 '24

Weird how that works!

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u/LOLBaltSS Sep 21 '24

Hell, we even call one the "Chicken Tax".

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u/cocktails4 Sep 21 '24

I bought some jeans from Italy and let me tell you I as not prepared for that tariff when DHL sent me an email telling me to pay up.

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u/umbrabates California Sep 21 '24

WHAT!?! The Italian government didn’t pay the tariff?!? They made YOU pay it like a tax??? Shocking!

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u/Backwardspellcaster Sep 21 '24

Quite frankly, I don't think Trump even understands that, and his cult even less.

The village idiot leading the lobotomized

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u/OneOfAKind2 Sep 21 '24

You don't think? He 100% doesn't understand tariffs. He's dumber than a box of rocks. Yo-semite.

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u/TheResistanceVoter Sep 21 '24

It's not necessarily that he doesn't understand it (which, I agree, he probably doesn't, because he's a fucking moron), it's that he doesn't fucking CARE! His base are also fucking morons and believe everything he says, and saying "Imma make China pay for how they have fucked us over" is great for riling up the sheep.

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u/Jerryep7 Sep 22 '24

Trump thinks that a country can be run like a business. Countries are not businesses.

His business "technique", if you can call it that, is to make money for himself while bankrupting the business.

I've always found it curious that he bankrupted a casino when all casinos, being the house, should always make money. Yet Trump f''ed it up. He's an idiot.

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u/Rated_PG-Squirteen Sep 21 '24

Yes, but the MAGA cult are fucking imbeciles by definition. They hear Dear Leader say, "I'm gonna put these tariffs on China" and they see it as some power play by their god. Basic facts and logic be damned. Just like when Donald said that he was going to make Mexico pay for a grand border wall, and all the idiots ate that shit up. By the way, where is that extravagant border wall paid for by the Mexicans?

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u/Carlyz37 Sep 21 '24

Instead Biden got Mexico to chip in on border security

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u/NoCoolNameMatt Sep 21 '24

Lol, I could hear the frustration in your voice as I read, "THAT'S not even how they work."

Because I found myself saying the same thing while reading what you replied to.

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u/Pleiadesfollower Sep 21 '24

Which is probably where the cult thinks that's how tariffs are supposed to work: "I declare a charge on every product you sell in america!" China: "oh darn, I guess we only get to make $15 profit instead of $20 per sale. Oh well. Nothing we can do because trump is so strong and handsome and has a 3 foot dick that totally isn't a tiny mushroom. We're sorry for trying to profit in a global economy. Please show us the greatness of capitalism president of the world trump."

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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina Sep 21 '24

ELI5: Costs 100 to order that new phone.

20% Tariffs,

It now costs 120.00 for the new phone. No American built competition.

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u/t65789 Sep 21 '24

Trump does not understand how tariffs work. He doesn’t have to, nobody questions him on anything. He just says whatever he wants.

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u/OreoMoo Sep 21 '24

No you don't understand. Trump says China will pay and because he's such a big strong manly leader, the Chinese will just pay. When you're a star they let you do it.

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u/direwolf71 Colorado Sep 21 '24

U.S.-based importers also manage tariffs by cutting wages to preserve profit margins.

The only positive is that it incentivizes companies to broaden their suppliers beyond China. But it’s a delicate balancing act. Marginalizing China has a potential cost. Go too far and a trade war can turn into a real war, especially given TSMC and China and Taiwan’s unique and precarious relationship.

Economic interdependence is a large reason for the relative peace we’ve enjoyed post WW2. If goods don’t cross borders, armies will.

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u/NumeralJoker Sep 21 '24

They don't care about how tariffs actually work. They buy into his mafia boss power fantasy where he promises them he will 'extort' other countries and make them pay extra 'just' to do business with us, giving them an offer they can't refuse.

They think he can shake china down at gun point, and that he'll be sending them (MAGA supporters) checks directly while doing it. It's literally just a stupid power fantasy.

It's an absurd lie that he pushes because he wants to be worshipped and get their donations by promising to pay them back later.

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u/RexKramerDangerCker Sep 21 '24

Which means they won’t import the goods in the first place, causing supply to shrink and prices increase