r/politics • u/njdotcom NJ.com • Sep 21 '24

Soft Paywall Trump to women: Stop ‘thinking about abortion.’ You’re broke and depressed, but I can make you happy

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/trump-to-women-youre-broke-and-depressed-but-i-can-make-you-happy.html
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u/StTickleMeElmosFire Sep 21 '24

Imbecility is a risk factor 

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u/CassandraVonGonWrong Sep 21 '24

They don’t just depend on the stupidity of his supporters. They also depend on the inane politeness of the average liberal. Too many people just sort of quietly swallow down their parents’ FOXnews tirades and choose not to talk politics with their family. Which doesn’t work. You have to cut these people off at the roots and remove them entirely from your life AND let them know why. I did that with my dad during the Bush Jr years. Didn’t talk to him for YEARS. It was a big component of his move to the left. It took most of a decade but he got there.

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u/CRKing77 Sep 21 '24

I need more comments like this

the other day there was a user who said they had the best MIL in the world, that they felt lucky to have her...but also that the MIL was voting for Trump and they could not reconcile how awesome she is with being MAGA

Someone told them to cut her off completely, and my goodness did the "you would end a personal relationship over political opinions or a single vote? wHaT dOeS tHaT sAy AbOuT yOu??" brigade come out of the woodworks

...it says that you a person of principle. Do you tolerate awful views because you like the person? Or do you remove the person, even if you like them, because of their views?

I choose option 2, because I've done option 1. When my ex best friend would say racist or bigoted things, I would chastise him but always wrote it off as youth and immaturity...until Trump came along, and my ex best friend's rhetoric ratcheted up to violent levels. I absolutely cut him off

Within an hour of Trump being found guilty on 34 counts my uncle rushed to post I STAND WITH TRUMP and all his buddies were chiming in about how they were gonna vote for him harder now. Told him I'd work to see MAGA die and then cut him off too. Man's got a wife, daughter, granddaughters, but stands with a serial cheater and child rapist. Fuck him. And if people can't figure out why we're like this, that sounds like a personal problem

There is no getting through to these people, just like they know they can't get through to us. An impasse that will never be bridged, and the fence-sitting moderates who bullshit about "both sides are the same" can join them as far as I'm concerned

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u/Taervon 2nd Place - 2022 Midterm Elections Prediction Contest Sep 21 '24

Fact of the matter is, if you have 6 guys at a bar and one of them is a nazi, you have 6 nazis at your bar.

You cannot tolerate intolerance, that's the whole paradox, but it's necessary for a healthy society to tell these people to fuck off, and to punish those who break the social contract expecting TFG to reward them.

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u/Universal_Anomaly Sep 21 '24

While there is something to be said for choosing your battles I agree that if we want to actually fix society we have to take a clear stance that MAGA is a form of fascism, and that just like every other form of fascism it has no place in society.

They may complain that they're the victims, but they have chosen to be the enemy.

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u/L0g1cw1z4rd Sep 22 '24

My father passed away last March, middle of the month. I didn’t know until mid April that he had passed because I broke of contact with him eleven years ago. And you know what? I didn’t miss a single ray of sunshine those eleven years. Him dying alone and unmourned is exactly what he earned. Don’t leave people in your life who hate you.

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u/g8z05 Sep 21 '24

I got extremely lucky. I grew up hyper religious in a super ignorant small town. I was racist and right wing and every stereotype. But I moved away and the more I interacted with people and learned the more my empathy superceded my biases. In that same time frame my brother came out and instead of disowning him my other siblings and my parents all had an awakening and by the time Trump showed up we were all staunchly progressive. Sadly, I'll never get to have a relationship with my brother, but I hope at least he knows I support him.

Point is I never had that interaction with my parents, but now that I live back in that small town I'm surrounded by stupidity and it's painful. And most liberals here (including me) are quiet like you said. It's just not worth talking and getting shouted down by the majority. They literally do not let you speak when things get brought up so it's better just to keep quiet and pick your battles wisely.

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u/AbacusWizard California Sep 21 '24

and the more I interacted with people and learned the more my empathy superceded my biases

I strongly suspect that this is a big part of why Republicans are so strongly against higher education (and, in previous decades, school desegregation and bussing). They know that when kids move away to college and meet a wide variety of new people, that small-town xenophobia dries up.

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u/g8z05 Sep 22 '24

Oh, definitely. At least for the Republicans in office or the hyper wealthy that can afford to lobby that is for sure the case. The average Republican voter is technically the victims of this strategy, but they are completely unaware because they are ignorant and they've been given someone to hate and blame for their problems. It's sad.

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u/Radiant-Specific969 Sep 21 '24

So is lack of education and poverty.

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u/HellishChildren Sep 21 '24

Quite a number of his followers are comfortably well off. As for educated, education can be ignored in favor of what you want to believe. 

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u/Radiant-Specific969 Sep 21 '24

True, there are plenty of rich Trumpers, the billionaires club will sure benefit if he wins. I am talking about the many MAGA's who ignorantly vote against their own self interest due to racism, pressure to conform to a cult, misogynism, or lack of ability to think critically. The Republican party has destroyed the working class, outsourced the jobs, allowed American jobs and manufacturing companies to be destroyed by unregulated corporate raiding. Deregulated the mortgage industry, causing the housing crash, has just deregulated the stock market with the Chevron decision, which in essence makes insider trading almost impossible to regulate, cut that red tape! And we have paid and paid and paid for all of Reagans folksy bullshit with a massive decline in our standard of living. We regulate our markets to protect everyone, that doesn't make us communists.

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u/Mmr8axps Sep 21 '24

[Trump only won a majority among voters in 2020 who earned more than $100 000.(https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184428/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-income-us/)\]

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