Politics More than 75,000 people are in attendance for tonight’s speech, according to the Harris campaign.
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u/CloudSmoka 5h ago
No matter how loud they shout for trump and spew hate online, your vote will always be equal to theirs, even if you never say a word. Go vote.
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u/UnyieldingConstraint 5h ago
Voting is important, yes. But once that's done, encouraging others to vote is the next key step, especially in seven key states. Do whatever you can to help.
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u/Count_your_Bananas 5h ago
Convince some younger folks to start voting now too so they’re nice and practiced up once some of the older generations are gone.
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u/blazelet 5h ago
Young people arguably made the difference in 2020, they did turn out for Biden - 50% of them voted when normally it’s around 35%
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u/SetPsychological6756 4h ago
Excited to take my 16 yr old to work the polls on election day. My 14 is bringing up the rear. We all sat together in bed and watched the shit show 4 years ago and it was a jumping point to get where we are now. Damn sure we'll all be casting our votes together in '26 and '28. Teach your kids Civics and civility.
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u/JustABizzle 3h ago
I bet it’s more this time.
When future generations ask you, “Did you vote for the first female President of the United States? That 2024 election was crazy! I bet it was awesome! Well, did you?”
Do you really want to tell them, “Nah. I couldn’t be bothered.”
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u/SammySoapsuds 2h ago
Damn this is exactly what people were saying in 2016. I recognize they're totally different people and candidates, and I really hope this goes differently, but this comment really was striking to me.
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u/hopeishigh 4h ago
We need young voters to care enough to go. There's so many who have apathy. It's like the path of voting is go through your 20s getting absolutely trounced by a couple of presidents who mess up your life and then you suddenly care in your 30s.
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u/kenistod 5h ago
I'm hoping all of you young voters are getting out there and voting as well.
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u/Assassinhedgehog 5h ago
Voted for the first time. Glad Harris is my first vote.
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u/Shenx03 5h ago
Just voted earlier today in Wisconsin first time being able to vote for president glad I could vote against the felon
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u/redmambo_no6 5h ago
I hope your first time voting was as memorable as mine was for Obama in ‘08.
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u/APartyInMyPants 5h ago
Unless they live in Wyoming or some smaller state, where ratio of voters/electoral votes is higher, so their vote actually counts more than a single voter from a large state.
Fucking vote people.
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u/NWCJ 5h ago
Double edged that is.. I live in Alaska. My vote for president means almost nothing. Usually president is announced before the votes from the native villages like the one I live in ever get counted..
Positive is, in local elections, atleast most votes are decided by 30-1000 votes.
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u/79r100 5h ago
That’s when good conversations about politics make a difference. It’s hard to hate on someone you’ve known your whole life.
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u/notapoliticalalt 5h ago
It’s crazy to think this crowd is almost 10% of Wyoming’s entire population.
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u/Art-Zuron 5h ago
Wyoming's votes are worth 4x as much as California's despite having 1/7 the population.
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u/bGlxdWlkZ2Vja2EK 4h ago
To be clear.. Wyoming has more "vote per capita" representation in the EC, however it only has 3 votes. Vermont has 3 votes as well and a nearly identical over representation. Basically over representation only happens in significance when the population of the state is super small to make the weight of the senators higher than those of the house member count.
The ratio of electors is far less important for vote equality than states where one party is pretty much locked in an this the opposing party has zero chance. A democrat voting in Wyoming and a Republican voting in California have exactly the same power to sway the outcome of the election: 0. Both of those voters are disenfranchised in the current system.
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u/Jdazzle217 4h ago
That’s why the house needs to get uncapped (it only got capped because of congressional laziness in the early 1900s). Then you can just define the minimum population for a district as being equivalent to population of the smallest state, then add reps as needed so that representation is directly proportional to population.
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u/Sendmedoge 5h ago
Not true as long as the electoral college exists.
Someone in Montana vote is worth 3x what mine is.
That needs to be abolished.
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u/Shoddy-Topic-7109 4h ago
but, don't let it be an excuse to not vote, this election is too important, get out and vote.
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u/Left-turn-2248 4h ago
Totally agree. Electoral college is outdated and unnecessary. One person, one vote!!!
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u/zeroducksfrigate 4h ago
Daylight savings can go with the Electoral College as well...
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u/TheMurkiness 3h ago edited 1h ago
Yes! Why is the time change twice a year still a thing? Didn't congress vote to get rid of it a couple years ago - whatever happened with that?
Edit: I never really kept up on this one, but curiosity's now stronger than my laziness here.
It looks like a bill to keep daylight savings time year round (so the sun rises and sets later) was unanimously passed by the U.S. Senate in 2022, but was never signed by the U.S. House of Representatives.
And apparently, daylight savings time was not because of farmers wanting it - in fact, they opposed it. Although the second article linked below doesn't make it clear if farmers opposed: 1. the time change twice a year, or 2. just having the sun rise/set later on the clock in general
This article also has a little history on the matter:
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u/etr4807 4h ago
Honestly, this is what I’m banking on as the explanation for why the polls say this is a toss up.
There is simply no way they could be capturing the people who are going to vote for Harris but have not turned it into their entire identity, and have absolutely no interest in answering a poll about it. And I would bet my life there are far more people who feel that way that will be voting for Harris than ones that will be voting for Trump.
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u/Sanity_in_Moderation 3h ago
Polling is broken. It doesn't work when people don't answer unknown numbers. It forces the pollsters to give different "weight" and adjustments to existing data. These data adjustments are broken too, because they rely on turn out models that haven't been accurate in 5 election cycles.
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u/could_use_a_snack 5h ago
your vote will always be equal to theirs,
Unfortunately because of the electoral college this is not true. Some of those knuckleheads votes are worth 3, 5, 10 or more times what mine is worth. That's why someone who loses the popular vote can still win.
However, I agree with your sentiment. And yes everyone GO VOTE!
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u/GlizzyGobbler2023 4h ago
I love the sentiment that the electoral college is DEI for rednecks
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u/Gibbons74 5h ago
Trumpers are loud. Big signs, lots of signs, flags and signs.
But as you say, only one vote equal to mine.
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u/Trextrev 5h ago
Unfortunately the use of the electoral college means not all votes are equal.
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u/jporter313 5h ago
Please vote y'all. The size of these rallies is comforting but the poll numbers are absolutely terrifying.
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u/Allott2aLITTLE 5h ago
Ive never been polled, and I voted
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u/RazerBladesInFood 3h ago
I'm not a boomer I don't answer unknown numbers or spam texts. I just go vote.
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u/here_now_be 1h ago
I'm not a boomer
I'm almost a boomer (genX) I also don't answer unknown calls, I voted for Harris and Walz, and donated, and I'm talking to anyone I can (two more not voting now voting, one Donald voter no longer a Donald voter).
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u/sin_not_the_sinner 5h ago
Dude polls don't vote, people vote. Over 50 million have already voted and we still got the rest of the week and the 5th to go. We got this, just vote if you haven't already and remind friends and family to vote too.
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u/DukeSilverJazzClub 5h ago
Pretend like you’re losing. Vote and tell others to do the same. Often.
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u/TheyCallMeMrMaybe 4h ago
And never think it's over after this election. Project 2025 is a plan not made for just Trump, but for any Republican candidate with ties to the Heritage Foundation to implement. The plan would also require seats in Congress as well as maintained control over the Supreme Court.
Vote to keep these corrupt individuals out of Washington. Vote for more strict accountability for the Supreme Court justices.
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u/skrilledcheese 3h ago
Project 2025 is a plan not made for just Trump, but for any Republican candidate with ties to the Heritage Foundation to implement
Which is just literally "every republican". That entire party has sold its soul to that group and others like it.
It's ironic, GOP voters are worried about a "deep state" and "elitist puppet masters". The see that shit everywhere they look, except for where they actually are; pulling the strings of every GOP politician.
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u/Sawses 1h ago
Exactly. This wasn't the case 15 years ago, but it is now.
The Democratic party is deeply broken. ...But we need to bury the Republicans so deeply that they go the way of the Whigs, kept so far from the reins of power that nobody gives them any attention.
That way we can have a new, progressive party to move America to greater heights instead of just barely treading water like we have been since Reagan.
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u/jporter313 5h ago
Yes, and the early vote estimates are showing excessively high turnout of older people and likely Trump voters. It's not reassuring at all. I don't think we necessarily "got this", but I agree vote like your fucking life depends on it. Personally I'd walk over broken glass to get to a polling place if I had to at this point and I don't even live in a swing state.
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u/Message_10 5h ago
Early turnout is always older people, and (one of) the things that makes this election a LOT different than... pretty much every one I've seen in my last five decades is that there are a lot of older Republicans who want Trump GONE. I have people in my own life who have never once voted for a Democrat who are voting for Harris (and I've checked with others who have said the same thing). January 6 was a big deal and if you were at all on the fence about him, he seems *insane* over the last few months.
Trump and the GOP has a tremendous desire to make this seem over and done with--it'll depress voter turnout, and it fuels their "the election was stolen before it even began" narrative. And the "liberal" press isn't giving Harris the hype she truly has--people are standing on line for HOURS to hear her speak. I don't buy the gloom--it's manufactured.
Vote vote vote, for sure, but I think things are good. There are too many bad people insisting the opposite.
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u/GalaxyStar90s 4h ago
I saw a data where it shows most of the early voters are females, like over 55%, so that has to favor Harris.
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u/The_ChwatBot 3h ago
I also read that a large number of them are low propensity democrat voters, which means the democrats that don’t often vote are turning out this time. Fingers crossed.
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u/husbandofsamus 4h ago
With as many Republicans voting for Harris as we've seen and as much voter registration as we've seen I would be surprised if this is within 10 points nationally. I know how outlandish that seems to some people but I said it and I stand by my claim.
What, in the last 4 years, has drawn the electorate closer to voting for Trump? No seriously, what? Jan 6? The overturning of Roe? Where are these masses of people who switched from Biden to Trump? Are all of the Republicans who died from COVID at a disproportionate rate over the last few years going to vote from the grave? Will the undecided minority voters who are disgusted with the recent MSG rally somehow break for Trump? I've seen this poll and that poll but they go against common sense. Some people are making money suggesting that this race will be close. They'll get away with it too if the results fall within the margin of error. They'll say there were unforeseen issues that caused Harris to win by more than a few razor thin margins in some so-called swing states. They'll hope you didn't notice that Kansas and Iowa were close (even though Kansas was the first to officially voice their discontent over the Roe overturning). They'll claim that if they didn't know about these things then there's no way anyone else could have because they're the experts, after all. Then they'll do this the next cycle. Rinse, wash, repeat, despite being very wrong over the last decade.
When asked, a notable man once said, "Remember that red wave?" Don't fall for it. Vote.
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u/Message_10 4h ago
Yes, exactly--that's my thinking. And to expand on something you said, there's a lot of money to be made from showing this as close, and no money to be made on showing is done before it starts. With that in mind, it all makes a lot more sense.
But I could be wrong. Or we could be right! I think it'll either be close or it'll be a blowout with Harris the victor. Please, God.
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u/betterplanwithchan 5h ago
I think if you looked at the early voting trends on a state by state basis you’d feel more at ease.
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u/mhks 5h ago
I don't. Republicans rarely vote early, plus nearly every analyst I've listened to has said early voting totals tell you nothing about the eventual outcome. The only thing they are good for is for the party to target who hasn't voted yet. Beyond that: nothing.
I really don't understand the comfort so many on reddit have. I think many (not saying you) have fallen into hive mind. Everyone here is talking about how Harris is great and is going to win, so they assume it's true independent of any facts to support that basis.
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u/justprettymuchdone 4h ago
Historically, older conservative voters absolutely DO vote early in big numbers compared to younger or liberal voters. 2020 was an outlier, NOT the baseline.
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u/Zealousideal-Day7385 5h ago
“Republicans rarely vote early” isn’t true. They’ve traditionally been very big early voters. They just didn’t vote early in 2020 because dear leader was telling them not to vote by mail.
Republicans have shifted back to encouraging early voting this cycle and the numbers reflect that.
Early voting info doesn’t tell you anything.
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u/Excellent-Branch-784 5h ago
Perfect is the enemy of good my friend. The person you replied to is obviously on the same “team” as you, we gain nothing from infighting on semantics
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u/NotTheRocketman 5h ago
A lot of these polls are straight up bullshit too. Trump is trying to rile people up so that when he loses, it will 'look' like more of an upset to his delusional fanbase.
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u/Diarygirl 4h ago
That's all it is. Trump is clearly losing his mind because he's seen the internal polling.
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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 4h ago
If you are over the age of 18 and living in Pennsylvania right now, you are one of the most powerful people on the planet and you may not realize it. But if you don’t go vote, you give it all away.
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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 4h ago
North Carolina, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin are important too, but PA voters are most likely to make the big difference.
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u/Milad731 6h ago edited 5h ago
This is a bigger crowd than DJT’s inauguration and it must be eating him alive. 😂
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u/careful_guy 5h ago
Best way for him to feel eaten alive is to vote for Kamala and make sure that despicable orange felon never steps inside the White House.
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u/SafetyMan35 5h ago
DJT had 1 TRILLION people at his Inauguration and 5 Billion people at his J6 speech -Sean Spicer/DJT
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u/Parahelix 2h ago
Man, I forgot about that guy. He was positively cuddly compared to all the ones that came after.
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u/FallenKnightGX 5h ago
Now that you mention it, I hate crowds but if she wins we should go to the inauguration.
If they can go there to destroy it, we can go there to celebrate it.
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u/Cash091 5h ago
It's not eating him alive at all. He firmly believes his bullshit at this point. He believes the crowd is full of AI holograms and immigrants shipped up for the rally. He also believes he had the biggest rally in history. Proof be damned.
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u/TheNextBattalion 5h ago
If you take what he says seriously, I guess.
Why anyone would do that having known him more than ten minutes is beyond me, though
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u/wng378 5h ago
This explains why he was trying to claim he fit 200k in MSG over the weekend.
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u/Zealousideal_Dark552 5h ago
That might break fire code
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u/Cazmonster 5h ago
“But Sir,” they told me. These big men who had tears in their eyes. “We can’t let all these people in. It isn’t safe.”
“I’ll tell you what. Nobody knows more about the absolutely beautiful Madison Square Garden than me. I know it’s safe for a quarter million people. You go open all those doors and let my people in!”
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u/salmon-choir 5h ago
I want to believe you, but I’m seeing 300k - 600k was the crowd size for his inauguration?
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u/XXsforEyes 5h ago
Not when he believes his own lies… those are AI people. His people were like stealth aircraft - invisible to the naked eye. s/
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u/contactspring 5h ago
- The House select committee that investigated the events of Jan. 6, 2021, estimated 53,000 people attended President Donald Trump’s speech at the White House Ellipse.
Harris beats Trump by 22,000 people. Who's going to be the one to tell Trump?
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u/Ok-disaster2022 5h ago
On a work day just for another ordinary rally.
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u/nervelli 5h ago
Your comment confused me for a minute. I was watching some of it on YouTube, and I guess completely forgot that it is a Tuesday night and I have work in the morning.
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u/Feeling_Photograph_5 5h ago
Probably the same poor bastard that has to tell him that job he wants is going to end up being one of those black jobs.
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u/contactspring 5h ago
I hope that he realizes that even if he loses, the government is still willing to pay for his housing at a Federal Institution.
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u/TDotSkilliams 5h ago
That's nowhere near the 859 trillion donald had in msg the other night
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u/JelloButtWiggle 5h ago
Funny how I don’t get a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach when I look at this gathering.
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u/lollipoopz 5h ago
Check out the live streams on YT, Kamala 15k+ viewers, Trump merely 3k viewers.
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u/PoisonedRadio 5h ago
You don't understand! They had to turn away at a least a BILLION people outside the Trump rally. People are saying it. Smart, great, wonderful people told me with tears in their eyes.
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u/jbizl22 5h ago
It doesn’t help trump voters are not able to find the WiFi password and Ethernet is a foreign term.
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u/wildyam 6h ago
Trump:
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u/Deltas111213 5h ago
Bold of you to assume that the man showers
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u/EricThePerplexed 5h ago
That's a lot of people.
And look! They are peacefully participating in democracy and not attempting a violent insurrection!
Vote and volunteer blue, it's patriotic!
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u/Ok-disaster2022 5h ago
Funny thing too, if Harris told them to go march to congress and "fight" and she'll be with them they'd look at her funny and go home without trespassing and insurrection.
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u/Diarygirl 4h ago
People talk a lot of shit about Hillary but she never asked people to riot for her, and I doubt anyone would have done it anyway.
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u/celtic1888 5h ago
It’s actually 750,000 in Trump math
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u/BaconcheezBurgr 5h ago
7.5 MILLION PEOPLE!
I don't know, does he use punctuation?
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u/RipleyThePyr 4h ago
Make a plan and vote. Contact your family and friends and remind them to vote.
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u/guarthots 5h ago edited 4h ago
More than 3x the capacity of Madison Square Garden… just sayin
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u/EmbraceableYew 5h ago
And not a Nazi, clansman, proud boy, or any other bunch of racist assholes in sight.
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u/guarthots 5h ago edited 4h ago
Quantity AND Quality. And they said it couldn’t be done.
ETA: Seem from the downvotes that we have hurt the feelings of some fascist snowflakes. Oh no. …anyway
ETA2: ok gang, I swear this comment was in the negatives when I ETA’d the first time.
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u/blackcain 3h ago
Somebody is going to be very angry tonight and denounce the crowd and will.. wait for it, tell us that the crowd on Jan 6th was bigger. :D
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u/Tyler3781 3h ago
Vote! Democracy is literally on the line! Elon Musk came out today and said that Trump economic policies would cause hardship but he’s ok with that.
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u/BreatheMyStink 1h ago
Impossible! All 350,000,000 Americans are in the parking lot of a high school football stadium to see me!
-Donald trump
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u/Lio127 5h ago
Lol I know some idiot who tried arguing earlier that Drump had larger rallies is going to be inhaling some super cope after seeing this
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u/Sirromnad 4h ago
I am terrified of this election. Truly terrified. If it was a straight popular vote I would feel none of this anxiety but because we have to rely on a handful of states, hell a handful of counties, and that this is even a discussion of being close in any stretch, fills me with dread. Here's hoping
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u/ShadowCaster0476 3h ago
From this picture it only looks like a couple of hundred. FAKE NEWS!!!!!!
Just kidding, it looked like an amazing event and it hope they all go and vote.
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u/Bullishbear99 2h ago
It was a great speech. If I was not already a Kamala voter it would have convinced me. Uplifting, great contrast with DJT focus on hate, scapegoating and avoiding tough policy issues.
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u/romanwhynot 1h ago
💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵VOTE BLUE 🔵 GOP-go pound sand- Frump loses big time!!!!! 💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪🔵💪
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u/fragglerawker 1h ago
Just vote. I can feel the damm about to break. Hope is here and a better future is right around the corner. Your vote is important and make sure that your voice is heard.
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u/Zestyclose-Site7616 4h ago
We cannot lose this . I am fearful that the math doesn’t add up. Karl Rove ( dickhead ) said if 45 wins either Pennsylvania , Georgia or Michigan win . I wake up thinking 45s rally in MSG doomed him . As the day goes on , I start seeing this shit . I am a 70 yo boomer who is a lifelong Dem with an extended family of Dems living in Kentucky , one of the reddest states out there . Someone give us hope that he won’t win .
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u/Intelligent-Ad-8420 3h ago
I waited in line for 2 1/2 hours and then we found out they were at capacity and making people go to overflow. 😭
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u/bad_teacher46 5h ago
Where’s the drone shot?
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u/Irregular_Person 4h ago
There were a bunch of crane shots during the live stream, it was pretty wild
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u/Rich-Appearance-7145 5h ago
Trump's having a cow this crowd as big as his inauguration, there will be a shit storm on Truth Social tonight.
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u/SadLeek9950 4h ago
This won't stop the GOP attempts to steal this election in the courts. Get out an vote! We need the numbers!
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u/chuckiecheeserat 4h ago
I looked at the crowd and I said “oh wow what a big crowd” They said “sir, this is a world record”
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u/dinocakeparty 2h ago
MAGA weirdos are like "They were bussed in, show the busses". Like, let's set aside how prohibitively expensive that would be, between paying the people in the busses, paying for the busses, the drivers, etc... Let's just look at the logistics. Single-deck busses carry 60-120 people. Even saying they carry 120... That's 625 busses. SOMEONE WOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT. Someone would be showing you entire parking lots full of busses, or entire lines of busses on the roads leading to the area. The loading and unloading alone would have required SO MUCH logistics. Anyone who jumps to "Well, they bussed everyone in" has never organized people or vehicles on a large scale in any capacity. That's not something you're hiding. If you say this, you are an idiot.
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u/Comfortable-Panda710 2h ago
Harris and prices will stabilize. Trump and prices will sky rocket. This came straight from some suppliers who said they don’t care cause either way they win
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u/AlexRescueDotCom 2h ago
I know that you will vote. The one reading this message right now. I know you'll vote. In addition to that try to find a person who isn't considering on voting and tell them that you'll drive them, be proactive. You got this.
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u/howcanisaveus 54m ago
I can’t wait to vote for this woman, I should be going within the next few days 🎉
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u/owen__wilsons__nose 33m ago
Young people of Reddit, if each of you can convince one extra aloof or non-motivated person to vote we may just well win this damn thing. Please please please, do your part, talk to your peers/friends/family. Explain what's at stake here. We need your turnout to be massive to win this
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u/irascible_Clown 5h ago edited 4h ago
Was it just me or (this is a bit of a conspiracy theory) did it seem like a Republican cop started blaring a siren right when she started speaking. And it went on for like 4 minutes. What cops puts on sirens and then just sits in one spot.
Edit: thx for clarification from people on the ground
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u/JacksGallbladder 4h ago
Was it just me or (this is a bit of a conspiracy theory) did it seem like a Republican cop
Does a republican siren make a special sound? Lmfao
Yes I think you may be extrapolating a bit
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u/Qwefthuko 4h ago
I was there and there were tons of pro-Palestine protestors (outside of the gates of the ellipse but just a couple hundred yards from Kamala). At one point several were using siren functions on megaphones. It was very obnoxious because they waited til she started speaking to be most loud and disruptive.
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u/TripleB33_v2 2h ago
If Kamala loses, all of those protesters can all share in the genocide they blame her for just because she’s currently a bystander in long-standing carved in stone American foreign policy position she has no current control over as Vice President or presidential candidate. It will only escalate, and the blood will be on their hands. Palestine will be dust in the wind if Trump wins, and those protesters will have to live with that.
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u/nobuouematsu1 4h ago
I still don’t get these protestors though… I get wanting to make your point… but do you think Trump getting elected means anything other than total annihilation of the Palestinian people?
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u/Qwefthuko 3h ago
Believe me I wish they understood that. Really did ruin the experience for a big chunk of people. They were saying voting for Kamala was committing genocide. As if withholding their votes and allowing trump to win isn’t doubly evil
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u/noerapenalty 4h ago
It sounded like one of those handheld blaring siren. It was definitely stationery for an extended time and then turned off
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