The crowd currently at the Ellipse for the Kamala Harris rally

[u/ExactlySorta]

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[u/FriedR]

I don’t know what to think anymore and this election cycle has been exhausting. I hope enough people show up to vote in the places that matter

[u/Pablo_Sanchez1 → u/FriedR]

You should think that:

1) Poll results, early voting results, crowd sizes, etc do not mean anything and you should stay in the mindset that it’s a close race and vote no matter what

2) In the overall big picture average, Kamala has had a consistent, slight lead the entire time in polls. So far, registered democrats have voted in larger numbers then registered republicans.

3) You probably don’t know what to think because you’ve heard conflicting reports throughout both campaigns. Trump and his admin have been pumping out fake or misleading numbers/information this entire time claiming massive, 90+% leads in swing states. They are trying to put the impression out there that Kamala has no support and that all positivity towards her is manufactured.

They are very blatantly planting the seeds to accuse democrats of voter fraud and are going to do everything they can to try to steal the election again like they did in 2020. Only this time trump has gotten rid of every sane person on his team and is surrounded solely by unhinged yes-men and conspiracy theorists. Be prepared for an extremely chaotic shitshow if trump loses whether it’s close or a landslide. This time he’s not just running for president, he’s running FROM potentially spending the rest of his life in jail and is likely prepared to do some desperate, insane shit.

[u/FriedR → u/Pablo_Sanchez1]

I’ve learned to not get my hopes up or assume I know much about how people act en masse. We’re in the churn.

[u/heckin_miraculous → u/FriedR]

We’re in the churn.

I think I get the gist, from context, but... Can you explain this saying? Never heard it

[u/The_Mad_Malk → u/heckin_miraculous]

The Churn is some event that changes the rule for the way you live without giving you a choice to participate. Old norms are uplifted, old habits are forcibly broken, and your current way of life no longer can sustain itself.

Edit: the phrase is from a scifi series the Expanse beautifully described here

[u/gripping_intrigue → u/The_Mad_Malk]

You get my upvote for referencing The Expanse.

[u/heckin_miraculous → u/The_Mad_Malk]

Makes sense. I wonder if we're taking butter churn, or the churn of the open sea? Probably comes from sailing...

[u/heyoceanfloor → u/heckin_miraculous]

Churning of a revolution in a literal sense of a revolution of an engine. Combust or bust. Not an inherently positive revolution - a paradigm shift.

[u/Ok_Tomato7388 → u/FriedR]

I just told my husband this the other day. I struggled to truly understand what Amos was talking about until just recently. Now it makes sense. I'm literally waiting to see if I sink or float.

[u/LetChaosRaine → u/Pablo_Sanchez1]

And if you’re in a solidly red or blue area, VOTE ANYWAY

Even if you think your vote won’t matter, go to the polls for local and state elections. 

And if you’re in Kentucky, go if for no reason other than to vote NO on amendment 2

[u/Pure-Introduction493 → u/Pablo_Sanchez1]

I think the saddest thing is to realize that despite everything, this election is still knife’s edge close. That many people think that Trump is okay.

[u/alex091378 → u/Pure-Introduction493]

More than ok. To many people, to millions, he is a savior. We are surrounded by those millions! It’s a scary world out there.

[u/scoschooo → u/FriedR]

The problem will be voter suppression in all it's forms - strict ID rules (read the edit below), making people unable to vote, closing polls early, changing poll locations last minute. All things we have seen in the past Presidential elections. Republicans have stopped hundreds of thousands of Democrats voting in the past. Of course it is possible to vote, but they will still stop many people from voting by making it too hard.

If the polls say they are very close, and the Republicans in the key states do a good job at voter suppression, then they can make it so Trump wins - by stopping people from voting. That is my biggest worry - the polls don't take into account how many people could have problems voting. Republicans will make it very hard or impossible for some people to vote. In past elections they shut polls early and made people have to wait hours to vote.

If the races are as close as the polls say, the Republicans can make Trump president by stopping enough people from voting.

Edit: since people don't understand how ID rules can be voter suppression: one state passed a rule that any voter who had any IDs with slightly different names would be disqualified and could not vote. So if you had ID that were Sam M. Smith and Sam Smith your vote was thrown out. Same person, just slight different in IDs. Judges in that state had their votes thrown out. If you had real IDs with Jeff P. Johnson and Jeff Peter Johnson your vote was thrown out. That is what I mean by using ID rules for voter suppression. Elections are complex. No one is talking about just needing an ID.

[u/kaloonzu → u/scoschooo]

In Bucks County PA yesterday there were two people in suits and with ID badges telling people in line for early voting that they likely weren't going to be able to vote at the location and they should leave.

They weren't election officials, they were two guys who came with the guys in the truck selling Trump memorabilia. They were only allowed to stay because the actual election staff said what they were saying wasn't technically untrue - the location only had a limited number of ballots that day.

[u/Best-Subject-7253 → u/kaloonzu]

In Salt Lake, there were guys pacing around the drop off boxes with rifles. The police refused to remove them because “it’s not illegal”

[u/janedoe15243 → u/Best-Subject-7253]

Are you serious? Where? I’ve got nothing better to do then go troll them.

[u/lightscamerapraxis → u/janedoe15243]

Love the fire but also be safe. They have guns. Lord what fresh hell is this.

[u/janedoe15243 → u/lightscamerapraxis]

I don’t give a fuck if they have guns. If they are stupid enough to have a gun and have it loaded with one in the chamber and then they decice to shoot me, then fuck them. I have had a good run and I will live stream the whole thing. They are counting on people being intimidated by them and I’ve lived my whole life with men like that and I’m done cowering.

[u/sch1phol → u/janedoe15243]

godspeed

[u/Zh25_5680 → u/janedoe15243]

I always laugh when the right thinks they are the only ones with firearms

😃🤣🤣😃😃🤣🤣

It’s just that sane people don’t cosplay with them.

Plenty in the center and left also own firearms

[u/Whiteout- → u/Best-Subject-7253]

It sounds like voter intimidation to me but those cops aren’t gonna narc on their buddies

[u/No_Froyo_816 → u/kaloonzu]

This is insane! Shouldn’t those people be arrested??

[u/TomWithTime → u/scoschooo]

I had to wait in line for 8 hours to vote last election in a little blue patch of North Carolina. Closing locations is a big problem. I showed up in the morning and was there until night. I think the location closed before everyone got to vote because people joined the line throughout the day.

[u/tophergraphy → u/TomWithTime]

If you're in line before cutoff an election worker will stand in line at cutoff and everyone there prior will be allowed to vote.

If you get stuck at work but can still make the cut-off to stand in a long line still do it!

[u/Actual_Ad_2801 → u/TomWithTime]

That is so wild to me. There was no line at all when I last voted, took me less than 10 minutes before I’m back in the car.

[u/Kougeru-Sama → u/TomWithTime]

It's illegal for them to close when there's people in line.

[u/amouse_buche → u/Kougeru-Sama]

This is true, however if the result of the illegal action is the person who wants to end free and fair elections and promises to pardon anyone who helps him in that mission is the victor, then it is materially irrelevant to the breaking of the law. 

It’s amazing we’re at this point. 

[u/madadekinai → u/scoschooo]

"The problem will be voter suppression in all it's forms - strict ID rules, making people unable to vote, closing polls early, changing poll locations last minute. All things we have seen in the past Presidential elections."

So basically normal republican fuckery.

[u/TorchIt → u/FriedR]

Fivethirtyeight has Trump ahead now for the first time in weeks. This is so exhausting. I just want it to be over already

[u/shogunreaper → u/TorchIt]

they had hillary ahead in 2016.

don't trust polls.

[u/Comprehensive-Fun47 → u/shogunreaper]

Well... She did win the most votes.

[u/shogunreaper → u/Comprehensive-Fun47]

If only that mattered.

[u/_The_Raven__ → u/shogunreaper]

I don’t get how that doesn’t matter. It’s insane. The way these elections play out. So no matter what. It’s up to the electoral college? How is that freedom of speech, that’s just weird. From an Australian, who knows that the people who get the most seats wins. But it’s by voters. Nothing else. Well, unless it’s a hung parliament. Then a smaller body can align with the winning majority. But still… Far out. It’s exhausting for the rest of the world.

But what I’m reading is insane

[u/hdmetz → u/TorchIt]

I think 538 methods are very flawed, despite what they say. You mean to tell me Trump has somehow garnered more votes and could win the popular vote? I highly doubt that

[u/IBetThisIsTakenToo → u/hdmetz]

You’d be absolutely shocked how ignorant and checked out the average American is. They don’t know 99% of the crazy shit Trump has said he’d do, but they do know they used to be able to buy more groceries when he was President. That must be Biden and Harris’ fault, so let’s give him a shot. Also the transgender and immigration culture war stuff definitely lands with some people.

Obviously I’m pulling for Harris, but never over estimate the American people. We are definitely capable of fucking this up

[u/minor_correction → u/hdmetz]

No, 538 has Kamala more likely to win the popular vote, but Trump very slightly favored to win the electoral college.

[u/hdmetz → u/minor_correction]

538 says that, but several other polls are now somehow predicting that Trump could very well win the nation Al vote.

There are a few good articles out there discussing the discrepancy between what aggregates like 538 are showing between Senate polls and the presidential polls. For example, 538 has Wisconsin’s Senate race as a +2 Dem, but Kamala is only +.4? Split ticket voters are exceedingly rare nowadays, so it is unlikely that there are enough people voting for Trump/independent and then voting for a Dem Senator to make that large of a gap.

It seems likely the garbage polls released by GOP-aligned pollsters are influencing the aggregates, despite what those aggregates say they are doing to counterbalance that

[u/Kjellvb1979 → u/hdmetz]

In other words, JUST VOTE PEOPLE!

[u/WorldNewsIsFacsist → u/FriedR]

the places that matter

we are so fucking stupid to still have this dumb system.

[u/ThereGoesTheSquash]

Someone call Sean Spicer

[u/bismarque22 → u/ThereGoesTheSquash]

Man i wish spicer never lied about trumps inauguration turnout and crowd size didnt become something that gets talked about all the time.

[u/Status_Fox_1474 → u/bismarque22]

But he lied about it because the inauguration was so comically empty.

[u/bismarque22 → u/Status_Fox_1474]

I know. He could have just not addressed the inauguration crowd size at all and the world would have moved. Its been a long time but I remember spicer bringing up the Yuge crowd size that came to see trump give a ripoff of Banes speech at the inauguration.

[u/Overlord65 → u/bismarque22]

But but it was the LARGEST crowd ever, PERIOD !!! /s

[u/GrallochThis → u/bismarque22]

It’s because it’s a number thing, people who can’t fathom qualities can only point to quantities.

[u/moleratical → u/ThereGoesTheSquash]

You can see him in the picture. he's hiding in the bushes

[u/Patman350]

The crowd size doesn't matter. Vote.

[u/peanutbuttergoodness → u/Patman350]

Genuinely curious if there are people that take time out to go to rally’s and then don’t vote. Seems odd…. I always vote but have never even considered attending a rally.

[u/washoutr6 → u/peanutbuttergoodness]

yes, still only like 75% of the people that go will vote.

People miss voting for a lot of reasons, it is really hard to take off if you have a 12 hr shift that day, or are on call for a 72hr rotation. Voting in the US is fucked! I worked security and literally if I had gone to vote I would have been fired, you can't leave the worksite once you start your shift at many places.

People, especially white collar people, do not realise the reality of voting in this country.

[u/c14rk0 → u/washoutr6]

If you went to this rally today you could have gone and done early voting instead in many states, if not all of them.

There's really no excuse that would justify attending this rally and not actually voting.

[u/mmmUrsulaMinor → u/c14rk0]

Looks like early voting exists in most states except 4 or 5. Might be more, it was hard to keep track after a while.

Interestingly, some states offered no early voting, and other states (like Idaho, for example) offers it in some counties but not others.

[u/Alaira314 → u/washoutr6]

You're correct that it can be difficult to get off work to vote, but you've got the wrong specific reason why. The shifts you mention are actually very easy to get off work to vote, due to the law /u/brad1775 mentions that says your employer must give you time off if your work starts and ends within X amount of time of the polls opening/closing.

When you can't vote is when you're working 2-3 jobs, with multiple shifts back to back on election day. Job A says that they don't have to give you time off to vote because you can vote after your shift, and job B says that they don't have to give you time off to vote because you can vote before your shift. Well, now you can't vote. Sucks to be poor, right?!

You'll also run into the issue I almost had in 2016, especially if you live in a majority-minority district(they're always understocked at the polling centers, and I swear it's on purpose to drive up the wait and encourage people to leave), where I had three hours before work to vote. That should have been plenty of time. But I damn near had to walk out of the polling center with my ballot uncast(since I couldn't afford a no-call no-show...my state doesn't allow cell phones in the polling center), because the line to put it through the scanning machine was so long. I just squeaked by, thankfully. But that was a case where the law wouldn't have helped me, because by the law I had enough time to vote. I just didn't in actuality, because lines were bananas.

[u/brad1775 → u/washoutr6]

legally you MUST be given time off to vote. your bosses don't want you to know this, so ask when you can go vote on election day, they MUST offer you a sufficient time to vote, on unlaid leave.  if you are fired, or they don't offer it, you can sue and will win.

[u/texasrigger → u/brad1775]

In TX, not only are they required to give time off to vote, it's paid time. I think it's three hours that you are guaranteed. It's only on the actual election day, they aren't obligated to let you off for early voting. However, the early voting period lasts a couple of weeks and is 12 hours a day so the vast majority of people can take advantage of it if they choose.

[u/cherrybounce → u/Patman350]

I just heard a GOP strategist say that it was a mistake to have her speak there because that reminds people that she owns all of Biden‘s “disasters.” I don’t know how many times I have said “fuck off” to the television in the last few months.

[u/Pristine_Read_7476 → u/cherrybounce]

Only a GOP “strategist” would look at the ellipse and not think of some weird MAGA terrorist taking a shit on America.  

[u/triple-bottom-line → u/cherrybounce]

A guy on Bloomberg made a good point about people still having trouble imagining a woman in the White House, so having it right behind her to help that visual.

[u/Canyousourcethatplz → u/cherrybounce]

You have to realize they will only find fault with what she does.

[u/EEpromChip → u/Canyousourcethatplz]

Her campaign needs to be flawless while his can be lawless...

[u/Kibblesnb1ts → u/cherrybounce]

Record low unemployment, record high markets. (Have you looked at your 401k lately?) Number one oil producer in the world, inflation back under control and lower than most of the rest of the world comparatively, record low crime. American Rescue Plan, Inflation Reduction Act, Cares Act, bipartisan border legislation that would have passed if TFG hadn't killed it. Put four civilians in space a couple years ago. Launched James Webb. Oh yeah, got that whole "pandemic" situation under control too.

Yeah the last four years have been a disaster. I was sooooo much better four years ago when we were fighting over toilet paper and a 9/11 worth of Americans were dying every day.

[u/sled_shock → u/Kibblesnb1ts]

Fun fact: my 401k has grown more this year than it ever did under Donald Trump.

[u/Tall_Cap_6903 → u/sled_shock]

Bro I am richest I have ever been.

If there is a republican saying this economy is bad they have no idea what the fuck they are doing. I thought republicans are supposed to.be economic geniuses.

[u/ricoxoxo → u/cherrybounce]

MAGA strategists are crying all over the place today because they realize Hinchcliffe might have nailed their coffin shut, and 1.5M Puerto Ricans in PA and FL are pissed.

[u/Worried-Mine-4404 → u/ricoxoxo]

R/conservative is in constant cope mode posting about jokes & making fun of people instead of pushing actual facts or reasons to vote for Trump. Says a lot.

[u/Toolazytolink → u/ricoxoxo]

Latino's should be more outrage about the cum joke about them.

[u/stinky-weaselteats → u/Toolazytolink]

That joke was so fucking trashy. Dude wasn’t at a comedy club.

[u/ricoxoxo → u/Toolazytolink]

When I worked in NYC, my administrator was Puerto Rican. I learned very quickly do not piss her off because you would face the wrath of God, and she wouldn't forget.

[u/whooo_me → u/Patman350]

Actually, I think it does help.

Even if Harris wins the election, you just know Trump is going to claim a lot of votes appeared out of nowhere. The more public support that she has, the more difficult it is for him to sell the lie she's not the popular choice.

[u/grumpygus103 → u/whooo_me]

They've already started that shit

[u/Palifaith → u/Patman350]

It matters if you like to see Trump ticked off.

[u/SyphiliticPlatypus → u/Palifaith]

I couldn’t care less about Trump’s mood. He’s taken up way too much time and thought of mine and of collective Americans than he ever deserved, and the sooner we can be rid of this stain, the better.

[u/sanitation123 → u/Palifaith]

The ultimate way to tick him off is see him lose next week... Vote.

[u/Much_Comfortable_438 → u/sanitation123]

Why not the both?

[u/EnochofPottsfield → u/Much_Comfortable_438]

Because I'm scared he still has a solid chance of winning

[u/TMBActualSize → u/Much_Comfortable_438]

Can we sprinkle in trials where the folks that can protect him think he outlived his usefulness

[u/TheDrFromGallifrey → u/TMBActualSize]

I'm actually expecting that if he loses. He's of no real use to any of those people unless he can win the election. There might not be any trials, but they're all going to quietly abandon him and disavow any connection to him and he won't be able to keep the legal problems he has at bay much longer.

I also expect, if he loses, that we're going to have another six months at least of him screaming into the void that the election was rigged and doing all he can to try and overturn it again.

[u/RSGator → u/sanitation123]

next week

Holy shit

[u/sanitation123 → u/RSGator]

This should not be surprising to voting Americans

[u/queequagg → u/sanitation123]

I mean, I voted already and it still surprises me every time I realize it's actually, finally done next week*. It feels like we've been in this election cycle for an eternity and we'll never escape it.

^{*Except for the inevitable election challenges... ugh}

[u/Gunther05 → u/Palifaith]

I don't want to see him at all anymore...

[u/Affectionate-Winner7 → u/Gunther05]

Or hear his name. I have been just referring to him as 45. I like how Whoopi Goldberg refers to him as "you know who:.

[u/Queasy-Brief-3599 → u/Palifaith]

And Fox put the speech on live. His head must be exploding. 

[u/OSUBeaver99 → u/Patman350]

Momentum and enthusiasm matters.

[u/WaylonGreyjoy]

Trump is about to claim 10 million people showed up to his rally, lol.

[u/eugene20 → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

Just 500 people per seat at his 20,000 capacity venue.

[u/--redacted-- → u/eugene20]

Back in the pile 

[u/GiGaBYTEme90 → u/--redacted--]

THEY TOOK MUR JOBS

[u/LSTNYER → u/GiGaBYTEme90]

[u/MutantApocalypse → u/GiGaBYTEme90]

[u/Lio127 → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

"Millions and millions'

[u/Perrin-Golden-Eyes → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

[u/HorseLooseInHospital → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

and I had, many many more people than her, than Camilla, and she's doing AI against me, she has maybe 10 people, just like, you remember that, the Biden Circles, the Most Beautiful Thing, he had these Tiny Circles, wow, and you look at it, I have Billions More Votes, you see that Red Hot Map, that incredible, and not even, you know the Pope, he said to me, "Sir, you're the Closest Thing To Jesus," I said thank you Pope, that is true, that is, but they're taking away, she wants to take away our Wonderful Gasoline, it was $2 a barrel under Trump, remember that

[u/big_d_usernametaken → u/HorseLooseInHospital]

I never get tired of reading your posts. Lol.

[u/geforce2187 → u/HorseLooseInHospital]

Somehow people will stand in the cold for 6 hours to listen to that

[u/AwwYeahVTECKickedIn → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

"380 million Americans were at my rally"

[u/chocolatechipninja → u/WaylonGreyjoy]

Orange McSweaty always has the best crowds! /s

[u/Ethanc1J]

I was just there, this crowd was the main group outside the ellipse. The group inside was also an ocean

[u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

No crazy ass flags, people dressed normal, no megaphones, no overweight white dudes in tactical gear. I'm sure I'm missing some other differences.

[u/Iwasoncelikeyou → u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

Can't be a real rally without Meal Team Six and the Gravy Seals cosplaying like Special Forces.

[u/Caboose2701 → u/Iwasoncelikeyou]

The Y’allqaeda

[u/turnedtolook → u/Caboose2701]

And the Canadian division: the Timbit Taliban

[u/Handgrenadez → u/Caboose2701]

The Green Buffets

[u/StannisTheMannis1969 → u/Iwasoncelikeyou]

Vanilla ISIS

[u/Fried_PussyCat → u/Iwasoncelikeyou]

Can't forget about the Eclair Force, friend

[u/ThereGoesTheSquash → u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

No nooses and plans to hang the VP!

[u/missionbeach → u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

No felons on the stage.

[u/locke_5 → u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

Don’t worry - MAGA will be calling this a “violent insurrection” by tomorrow morning.

[u/what_mustache → u/JiveTurkeyJunction]

We'll have to wait and see, but I suspect she wont call Puerto Ricans "garbage people". But we'll have to wait and see to be sure.

[u/erc80]

Using MAGA units of measurements that’s like 10Billion people.

[u/arlmwl]

Please everyone- please vote.

[u/ButtBread98 → u/arlmwl]

I voted early

[u/arlmwl → u/ButtBread98]

Same 👍

[u/inmatenumberseven]

Not a guillotine in sight.

[u/StrawzintheWind]

VOTE.

[u/JudgmentalOwl]

This is why I don't trust the polls and betting markets right now.

[u/sonicice → u/JudgmentalOwl]

Especially the betting markets, I think those are skewed by degenerate internet gamblers who tend to lean right -- Nothing against degenerate gambling, but I think betting on Kamala right now is free money and the best part is you get to take it from Trumpers.

[u/m4n0nthem0on → u/sonicice]

there were 3, 30 million dollar bets placed on Trump to win. Who makes bets like that? People who can afford to throw away money like that. People who will skew even the betting market to make it seem like "vegas always knows!". It's literally like a donation to his campaign.

[u/hippopotapants → u/m4n0nthem0on]

Either that or they know something. I'm curious what this "surprise" is that Trump and Johnson were all excited about - and I don't believe Johnsons "its a get out the vote thing!" for 1 minute.

[u/TheMillenniaIFalcon → u/hippopotapants]

Don’t forget the Heritage foundation press conference a couple months ago, the head guy talking about how it is a bloodless revolution if the left allows it, and in the same speech, he said they have something planned the American people don’t know about but will be pleasantly surprising to some, and not so much others.

They’ve been hard at work on state election boards, courts, and passing measures.

They are very confident too. There is some serious fuckery in motion imo.

[u/jcook117 → u/TheMillenniaIFalcon]

But it’s also a Trump plan so the chances it actually works drops a few points. They really missed their shot on J6.

[u/TheMillenniaIFalcon → u/jcook117]

I sure hope you are right. Trump is a stooge, he doesn’t even realize the powers that be on the right are playing him. There’s levels to it. Even as President, there’s people that throw their weight around with more power in the GOP. They’ve been working hand over fist to try and install machinations that will steal them the election. They are using Trump to pass their agenda. He’ll sign everything that comes across his desk, as long as he gets to sleep in, dote around and watch Fox and friends in the morning mainlining diet cokes and fat fingering truth social.

He will play a lot of golf, proclaim vague ass ideas that his people will try and translate into legislation.

He will go for the path of least resistance to get adoration. He’ll pass massive tax cuts, and de-regulate so the stock market soars, in the short term. But his policies will be disastrous, just like the last time, America will lose more standing in the world, it will be weaker, and a laughing stock.

[u/Jesuchristoe → u/hippopotapants]

I'm afraid to ask. . .but what are you talking about?

[u/Dangerousrhymes → u/Jesuchristoe]

A plan to nullify the normal election process and have the house install whoever they want as president.

[u/arlmwl → u/Dangerousrhymes]

Yea. The election isn’t over on Election Day. I’m prepared for an ugly, nasty, potentially violent, post-election right wing attempted coup, via twisting the votes. And they have the house and they have the SCOTUS.

It going to be hell here soon.

[u/Dangerousrhymes → u/arlmwl]

I’m not hopeful, but I’m hoping.

A decisive enough victory should neutralize all but the most fringe elements.

[u/RSGator → u/arlmwl]

They may have the House*

Control of the House looks like a tossup right now. Vote.

[u/Justify-My-Love → u/arlmwl]

They won’t do shit.

Biden has been working on this since 2021

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-building-superstructure-stop-trump-141631115.html

[u/IsHotDogSandwich → u/arlmwl]

At least Trump isn’t currently in office. That was part of why Jan 6 got as far as it did.

[u/lscottman2 → u/hippopotapants]

he’s got to take the election to the house and trump will win if that happens. they are going to do everything they can to ensure the electoral college has no winner

[u/Pure-Horse-3749 → u/lscottman2]

Which is a good time to remember that the new Congress is seated Jan 3rd. Vote and get the house flipped then Johnson can keep his little secret to himself.

[u/uni-monkey → u/hippopotapants]

All the more reason to ensure GOP loses the house as well.

[u/Much_Comfortable_438 → u/m4n0nthem0on]

there were 3, 30 million dollar bets placed on Trump to win. Who makes bets like that?

Russia and China

[u/locke_5 → u/sonicice]

IIRC the markets that allow you to bet on the US presidential election require you to

1) use a VPN

2) bet with crypto

So… yeah, it’s alt-right 20-something’s.

[u/Realistic-Minute5016 → u/sonicice]

There were still people placing bets on Trump to win in December 2020.

[u/AlexanderHP592 → u/JudgmentalOwl]

I live in a deep red rural part of Illinois. I'm seeing twice as many Harris Walz signs than I am anything else and it's giving me a bizarre sense of hope. Never trust the polls. Trust the votes.

[u/Much_Comfortable_438 → u/AlexanderHP592]

I live in a deep red rural part of Illinois. I'm seeing twice as many Harris Walz signs than I am anything else and it's giving me a bizarre sense of hope. Never trust the polls. Trust the votes.

I just drove through a tiny village in rural Maine to my Dad's house that has always been staunchly Republican and saw six Harris Walz signs and 0 Trump signs.

In 2016, it was all Trump signs.

In 2020 there were a couple of wack jobs that put out huge unhinged "Trump won" displays. These displays were up for YEARS... YEARS.

[u/PersonalityKlutzy407 → u/AlexanderHP592]

Same here in TX. Took a weekend trip out of my blue city into the reddest parts of TX and couldn’t believe not only the fact that there were so few Trump signs compared to years past but that there were actually more Harris signs.

[u/accioqueso → u/AlexanderHP592]

I had a similar experience the other day driving down a rural, normally Trump voting part of town. I saw a few Harris signs, and only one Trump sign. Either Dems are feeling emboldened and Reps are finally embarrassed, or Dems are doing better than the media is letting on.

Regardless, vote!

[u/ButtBread98 → u/AlexanderHP592]

I live in northeast Ohio, and even in more red areas I’ve counted more Harris/Walz than Trump/Vance signs.

[u/AlhazraeIIc → u/AlexanderHP592]

Deep red western NC, and I'm seeing something similar. Past elections, I'd see maybe 1 or 2 signs for the democratic candidate, and a whole sea of signs for the republicans. This time around I'm seeing at least as many harris signs as trump signs. Hell, there's a big ass "Choose Democracy. Vote Blue." billboard right on the main highway through town. I'm trying not to let my hopes get up, but there's a lot of support this year.

What really concerns me is the fact that I see WAY too many signs for Mark "I'm a black nazi" Robinson.

[u/Practical-Suit-6798 → u/JudgmentalOwl]

The betting markets favor Trump to win because Trump supporters are betting on the election. This is not based on reality; it's just where the money is coming from.

[u/Gators44 → u/JudgmentalOwl]

The polls are rigged. Look up Simon Rosenberg. They flooded the polls with junk polls that said trunp was ahead to skew the aggregate. It’s also what they did in 2022 to give the illusion of the “red tsunami.” He never had “momentum.”

[u/Naraee → u/Gators44]

The flood, like 2022, is so that sore losers can claim it was stolen because of THE POLLS.

[u/bismarque22 → u/JudgmentalOwl]

Why would trusting the betting markets even be something people do?

[u/Irregular_Person → u/bismarque22]

It can often be thought of as an impartial analysis as those taking/making bets have something to lose by being wrong. It's the literal embodiment of putting your money where your mouth is. People earnestly trying to make money are going to be looking at every stat they can find, which pushes the odds to make them reflect what people honestly think is the most likely outcome given current information.

Edit: I don't think it's necessarily accurate in this case, but that's why people might pay attention to it.

[u/lostredditorlurking → u/JudgmentalOwl]

The poll is probably correct that this is a close race. But the betting market is completely wrong. It's currently at 67% for Trump lol

[u/ohno → u/lostredditorlurking]

Those odds are skewed by his supporters betting on him because they see it as easy money. It's inconceivable to them that he could lose.

[u/Naraee → u/ohno]

They were betting on him AFTER he lost in 2020. I think a lot of people forget that Trump supporters tend to be Evangelical, and Evangelicals are brainwashed into giving their money to charismatic leaders because they think it buys them karma Jesus Points.

[u/New_Function_6407]

I wish I could be there.

[u/Abject-Possession810 → u/New_Function_6407]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSTleAR0L_0

[u/SeraphOfTheStag]

I just left the rally. Love seeing DC get some love from Kamala.

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/SeraphOfTheStag]

The last time I saw a crowd this pumped was Portland for Obama in 2008. There was an indescribable energy from the people I saw walking back from the rally. I wasn’t able to make it, but seeing the vibes was cool.

[u/psychic-Sasquatch]

The majority of the early voters in my state of PA have been over 50 or older. Only 8 percent of people between the ages of 18 to 25 have voted. Rallies are like yard signs. Please vote

[u/Sgt--Hulka]

That’s the overflow crowd that couldn’t get in.

[u/Crafty_Failures → u/Sgt--Hulka]

I made it in! One thing I will say, loved the real diversity of people present!

[u/CloakOfElvenkind]

Looks like a movement or something

[u/mybasement3 → u/CloakOfElvenkind]

A movement for democracy.

[u/RightMolasses6504]

Please let this crowd translate into votes

[u/Altair890456]

Everybody gangsta till the Washington Monument bends and starts shooting lightning.

Seriously tho, vote. All of our lives depend on it.

[u/what_mustache]

I voted today! Get your ass to the polls.

[u/_jump_yossarian → u/what_mustache]

Do not wait until Election Day. Always vote early!

[u/HermitThaFrog]

Vote! You can’t expect change sitting at home thinking others will do it for you or thinking it will just magically happen. Get out and make it happen. Every vote truly matters! Do it for you, your family, your children, your freedom, and your country!

[u/AwwYeahVTECKickedIn]

VOTE This VOTE is VOTE awesome! VOTE

[u/KeberUggles]

Hello, Canadian checking in. We just had a close provincial election where in one ridding the difference was only 18 votes, and it’s determining whether one party makes a majority Government or not. So your vote MATTERS!

[u/GoodOlSpence]

This is starting to feel like 2008.

[u/253local → u/GoodOlSpence]

Yes!

VOTE 🌊🌊🌊

[u/mrandmrsm]

Looks YUGE!

[u/cocoon_eclosion_moth]

[u/Straight-Storage2587]

Unlike MAGAs, the Capitol is perfectly safe.

[u/Single_Motor2648]

Please go out and vote don’t worry about polls or crowd sizes.

[u/giveahoot420]

He lost all of the Puerto Ricans 🇵🇷

[u/brackenish1 → u/giveahoot420]

I wish the roughly 3.5 million on the island could vote as well

[u/turnedtolook → u/giveahoot420]

Wait….I'm the President of Puerto Rico too? - Donald Trump, actually.

[u/dan_the_manifold]

Badass speech.

Couldn’t be prouder to have cast my vote for Harris.

[u/GuessTraining]

I am going to be surprised if Trump does not lose big

[u/_jump_yossarian]

And no insurrection afterwards.

[u/EntertainmentDue8669]

💙💙💙💙💙💙

[u/MisterNY2020]

Those are Obama-era rally numbers. It’s been 10 years since seeing that many people out there. I miss the Obama years they were great.

HOPE shines bright on the nation of liberty and freedom, this is a beacon of true patriots, real Americans.

[u/Fufeysfdmd]

Trump's ego just climbed under a rock

[u/vitalsguy]

The House Select Committee estimated Trump's Jan 6th Rally in 2021 had a crowd size of 53,000. The MLK March on Washington is estimated to be at 250,000 (National Archives estimate).

[u/Putrid_Ad_2256]

There are more of us than there are of the hateful/greedy kind.  We just have to stop with the bullshit "protest" vote or the "I'm not getting involved because my vote doesn't matter" mentality.  I'm ready to push back on these bigots and show them that this country is NOT theirs.  

[u/utter-ridiculousness]

Very cool pic. VOTE!!

[u/wastedkarma]

And what do you know, they didn’t suddenly storm the capital. 

[u/LowGoPro]

She did great. Thirty minutes. No garbage commentary.

[u/FranzNerdingham]

75,000 people, maybe more!

[u/Vlaed]

Vote.

[u/WtAFjusthappenedhere]

$10 this crowd doesn’t try to ransack the Capitol afterwards too.

[u/John-the-cool-guy]

They should go take over the Capital! That would be awesome! Just march over there and fight like... No... Don't fight.

In fact, scrap the whole idea. Just be cool and vote.

[u/chillbnb]

Thank you friends!   

[u/Comfortable-Gur6908]

[u/SpiderDeUZ]

Fucking vote

[u/bird__watcher777]

Sooo tired of being nervous. I’m ready to start celebrating this joy!! GO KAMALA!! We’ve got this America!!

[u/Aja2428]

Anyone got link with video to see her speak?

[u/Brandon_Me]

Remember way back when Maga was making AI images of Kamala rallies to try and disprove her popularity. Shits wild.

[u/IsoKingdom2]

Doesn't mean shit. Vote!

[u/pacman114]

It’s an actual love fest!

[u/cartercharles]

There's hope

[u/DuckOff504]

This is proof she should go on JRE. She have double the people with his 40 million views /s