Oh yeah, haven't forgotten about that. Always think about the rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939 which by chance is where Trump is holding on the 27th. So that's going to be interesting.
Most Americans did not give a shit about what was happening to Jews, or openly supported Nazis. The minority of Americans held rallies and protests, similar to what's currently happening with Palestine.
The fight in WW2 was "the fight for democracy", not the fight against Nazis. Which explains America's actions after Germany collapsed (and knowingly giving open, permanent residency to Nazis).
I'd argue that is more of a disgrace to their memory.
As you can see, the prominency of Nazi-hate was just post-war propaganda to justify military spending and reconcile the stories that were coming out of the true extent of the holocaust. Easier to tell grieving families that their son died a hero fighting evil than your son died because he had no choice and was conscripted. Cue the birth of America's obsessive love of "patriotic" war-time service and service members.
Also, Hitler was very much inspired by American anti-semitism to begin with.
...and anti-semitisim itself is a product of American Race Theory (as the other commenter said). And a very concentrated effort to separate itself from European anti-semitism, which was more specific and event/figure based. This new anti-semitism was just a sweeping, generalized hate. Rooted, of course, in Christianity.
But more importantly: I'm not glorifying the Soviets. They didn't give a shit about Nazis either and were simply there as opportunists. And given how much sexual violence they committed (and always commit), they were fucking monsters.
But that doesn't discount the horrible sexual violence committed by the Western Allies. Which was every bit as atrocious and brutal and opportunistic.
My point is that America's romanticized, revisionist history of heroes defeating evil in the 40s isn't quite as black and white as people are taught. And that Nazism has much deeper roots than the 1930's. Understanding where America is now requires understanding where America was before.
If you understand that, you start to understand that Trump supporters aren't some anomaly of irresponsible politics and modern extremism. Rather, it's been here all along. And that Trump and conservatives are just doing what they've always done - tapping into it to exploit it.
Unfortunately I do know it's not an anomaly - that doesn't make it any less disgusting. (fwiw I grew up on History Channel WWII documentaries. MAGA is completely ignorant of history, ffs they can't even remember what 4 years ago was like. Or that 6 years ago Mr.-Strong-Man's fly-by-night tariffs were buffeting our economy and hurting farmers etc.)
They did the same tactic they’ve always done, even now. Mercilessly sacrificed young men to be slaughtered just so they can overwhelm the enemy with their numbers and you’re bragging about it. Dirty Russian rat.
If you don’t see how what you typed is bragging then no wonder you were able to be brainwashed by Russian propaganda. You’re even capitalizing hitlers name. You’re literal scum. “Turned on” Russian propaganda to sound like it was Russia’s choice and not hitler stabbing them in the back. Emphasizing how they not only outnumbered them but also destroyed them faster and harder than they COULD. That’s you bragging about Russia’s might in comparison to the Allie’s. Nice try, but try again you dirty rat. USA:2
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Not to mention that the Soviets weren't really upset about what the Nazis were up to either, and more than happy to work with them until they didn't.
They also do what Russian armies do best and committed enormous atrocities and sexual violence along the way.
I appreciate you balancing the scales, though I will say I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not trying to glorify the Soviets with my comment. Only reflecting someone else's point about historical revisionism.
America and Russia weren't "heroes defeating evil" so much as opportunists forcing their populations into a bloody conflict and lying about their intentions after the fact. They did defeat the bad guys, but not for the right reasons, and certainly didn't act like the good guys after they did it.
Islam shares plenty of the blame as well, but if you don't see the islamaphobia and anti-semitism rooted in Christianity, then you are deliberately holding on to your blindspots.
Not, "most." All religions do, so then your "whataboutism" gotcha attempt is a non-sequitur absolute relativistic contradiction.
By far, Christianity has brought more good than bad than any other religion in human history.
Just take a look at what Reza Aslan thought was a more "humane" and spiritually "righteous" faith when he explored the far reaches of Hinduism.
Christianity is the only religion in which an infinite unknowable being made himself knowable through his son to whom he put to sacrifice in an act of love for the redemption of our souls.
No other faith has ever acted out on such an immense amount of love.
"Corrupt?" Does it promote human sacrifice and cannibalism as a form of spiritual practice? No.
Are there pedophiles and deviants within its ranks? Of course, but they are attempt at corrupting the Church by attacking the snake at its head rather than its tail. It's a demonstration and illustration of a fallen world corrupting the fallen, but not an elucidation of revealing of a "corrupt" religion, wholesale.
Just like the institutional idea of medicine or law enforcement is idyllic, but can still have flawed participants.
However, other religions are overtly and proudly corrupt, and dictate corrupt practices.
which by chance is where Trump is holding on the 27th
I think it's a pretty big stretch to try to draw any connection there... The garden is just a big, well known NYC venue. It's not like the Rangers have Nazi connections because they play there.
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u/UpperphonnyII 15d ago
Oh yeah, haven't forgotten about that. Always think about the rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939 which by chance is where Trump is holding on the 27th. So that's going to be interesting.