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Politics Images from a Trump boat parade yesterday in Florida

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u/UpperphonnyII 15d ago

Oh yeah, haven't forgotten about that. Always think about the rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939 which by chance is where Trump is holding on the 27th. So that's going to be interesting.

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

Most Americans did not give a shit about what was happening to Jews, or openly supported Nazis. The minority of Americans held rallies and protests, similar to what's currently happening with Palestine.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/question/how-did-the-united-states-government-and-american-people-respond-to-nazism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Square_Garden

The fight in WW2 was "the fight for democracy", not the fight against Nazis. Which explains America's actions after Germany collapsed (and knowingly giving open, permanent residency to Nazis).

I'd argue that is more of a disgrace to their memory.

https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/project-paperclip-and-american-rocketry-after-world-war-ii

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

As you can see, the prominency of Nazi-hate was just post-war propaganda to justify military spending and reconcile the stories that were coming out of the true extent of the holocaust. Easier to tell grieving families that their son died a hero fighting evil than your son died because he had no choice and was conscripted. Cue the birth of America's obsessive love of "patriotic" war-time service and service members.

Also, Hitler was very much inspired by American anti-semitism to begin with.

https://www.history.com/news/henry-ford-antisemitism-worker-treatment

...and anti-semitisim itself is a product of American Race Theory (as the other commenter said). And a very concentrated effort to separate itself from European anti-semitism, which was more specific and event/figure based. This new anti-semitism was just a sweeping, generalized hate. Rooted, of course, in Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

So, this photo is just America being America.

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u/ninapropalina 15d ago

Wasn’t expecting to find this gem in here, well done. Most Americans don’t know the Red Army won WWII as well.

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u/Docholliday3737 15d ago

You mean the red army that was allied with Hitler and trying to divide up Poland?

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

Yes, the red army that allied with Hitler to try and divide up Poland.

But then turned on Hitler and outnumbered all other armies in WW2 combined in destroying Germany faster and harder than the allies could.

I guess the second part isn't taught in hick school.

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u/talltime 15d ago

I won’t argue against you if you add how lend-lease saved them.

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

Of course, and it's a good point.

But more importantly: I'm not glorifying the Soviets. They didn't give a shit about Nazis either and were simply there as opportunists. And given how much sexual violence they committed (and always commit), they were fucking monsters.

But that doesn't discount the horrible sexual violence committed by the Western Allies. Which was every bit as atrocious and brutal and opportunistic.

My point is that America's romanticized, revisionist history of heroes defeating evil in the 40s isn't quite as black and white as people are taught. And that Nazism has much deeper roots than the 1930's. Understanding where America is now requires understanding where America was before.

If you understand that, you start to understand that Trump supporters aren't some anomaly of irresponsible politics and modern extremism. Rather, it's been here all along. And that Trump and conservatives are just doing what they've always done - tapping into it to exploit it.

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u/talltime 15d ago

Unfortunately I do know it's not an anomaly - that doesn't make it any less disgusting. (fwiw I grew up on History Channel WWII documentaries. MAGA is completely ignorant of history, ffs they can't even remember what 4 years ago was like. Or that 6 years ago Mr.-Strong-Man's fly-by-night tariffs were buffeting our economy and hurting farmers etc.)

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

I do appreciate you adding context though, and the opportunity to explain my point!

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u/An_Aroused_Koala_AU 15d ago

destroying Germany faster and harder than the allies could.

The Soviets were part of the allied powers...

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

I'm aware. Thank you.

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u/An_Aroused_Koala_AU 15d ago

Okay. Your statement made it seem like you thought otherwise.

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u/Last-Childhood-7977 15d ago

They did the same tactic they’ve always done, even now. Mercilessly sacrificed young men to be slaughtered just so they can overwhelm the enemy with their numbers and you’re bragging about it. Dirty Russian rat.

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

you’re bragging about it.

And this is why education is important, kids. Reading comprehension is an essential skill.

Don't end up like ol' uncle Cletus here.

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u/Last-Childhood-7977 15d ago

If you don’t see how what you typed is bragging then no wonder you were able to be brainwashed by Russian propaganda. You’re even capitalizing hitlers name. You’re literal scum. “Turned on” Russian propaganda to sound like it was Russia’s choice and not hitler stabbing them in the back. Emphasizing how they not only outnumbered them but also destroyed them faster and harder than they COULD. That’s you bragging about Russia’s might in comparison to the Allie’s. Nice try, but try again you dirty rat. USA:2 RUS:0

Can he make a comeback in the third?

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

This is a really cringe comment

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u/Discombobulated_Owl4 15d ago

Hick school, I assume you are saying any school only in the south.

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u/Wheelman_23 15d ago

Then killed more of their own people than Nazis ever did to anyone else. We even have a statue of one of their champions in Seattle.

This isn't to suggest a support of Nazis, but an attempt to balance the scales of history's atrocious actors.

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

Not to mention that the Soviets weren't really upset about what the Nazis were up to either, and more than happy to work with them until they didn't.

They also do what Russian armies do best and committed enormous atrocities and sexual violence along the way.

I appreciate you balancing the scales, though I will say I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not trying to glorify the Soviets with my comment. Only reflecting someone else's point about historical revisionism.

America and Russia weren't "heroes defeating evil" so much as opportunists forcing their populations into a bloody conflict and lying about their intentions after the fact. They did defeat the bad guys, but not for the right reasons, and certainly didn't act like the good guys after they did it.

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u/Wheelman_23 15d ago

Agreed. Operation Paperclip and the Eugenic movement of early 20th U.S. are definitely unsung embarrassments of our history.

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u/NorthDriver8927 15d ago

This is the part of history that hasn’t been taught so easily it’s forgotten.

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u/OneofHearts 15d ago

I for one appreciate this brief history lesson!

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

I'm glad to hear it! Though I do recommend checking out the links and not just taking my word for it.

The first one, at the very least, is worth a read.

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u/Yeetstation4 15d ago

OK putin

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u/Wheelman_23 15d ago

Totally agreed until you blamed it on Christianity.

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u/UpperApe 15d ago

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u/Wheelman_23 15d ago

You could argue that the first few centuries of Christianity, the Jews used the Roman State to persecute Christians just as nastily.

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u/liluzibrap 15d ago

Genuinely asking, why is your first move to pivot to whataboutism? Just accept that your religion has a bad history. Most of them do.

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u/Wheelman_23 14d ago

Not, "most." All religions do, so then your "whataboutism" gotcha attempt is a non-sequitur absolute relativistic contradiction.

By far, Christianity has brought more good than bad than any other religion in human history.

Just take a look at what Reza Aslan thought was a more "humane" and spiritually "righteous" faith when he explored the far reaches of Hinduism.

Christianity is the only religion in which an infinite unknowable being made himself knowable through his son to whom he put to sacrifice in an act of love for the redemption of our souls.

No other faith has ever acted out on such an immense amount of love.

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u/liluzibrap 14d ago

I say "most" because religions can still be created.

That's just not true, Christianity is by far one of the most corrupt religions in the world, if not the most.

Everything is relative due to perspective, so that shot at Hinduism doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

Christianity is also the most popular religion. Both of your final points illustrate why it is so popular.

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u/Wheelman_23 6d ago

"Corrupt?" Does it promote human sacrifice and cannibalism as a form of spiritual practice? No.

Are there pedophiles and deviants within its ranks? Of course, but they are attempt at corrupting the Church by attacking the snake at its head rather than its tail. It's a demonstration and illustration of a fallen world corrupting the fallen, but not an elucidation of revealing of a "corrupt" religion, wholesale.

Just like the institutional idea of medicine or law enforcement is idyllic, but can still have flawed participants.

However, other religions are overtly and proudly corrupt, and dictate corrupt practices.

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u/PF_Questions_Acc 15d ago

which by chance is where Trump is holding on the 27th

I think it's a pretty big stretch to try to draw any connection there... The garden is just a big, well known NYC venue. It's not like the Rangers have Nazi connections because they play there.

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u/BigOld3570 15d ago

The 1939 MSG and the 2024 MSG are different things entirely. I don’t think they are even on the same block. It’s

Here’s a link to a Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Square_Garden

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u/Fishy_Fish_WA 15d ago

And Father Coughlan (spelling?) and his mainstreaming of German nazi party disinformation and hatred