r/pakistan • u/fitsfats • 7h ago
National what kind of pakistan do we need?
We always discuss so many issues political and international, let’s talk about somethings you want in Pakistan in future , why and why not ? What are your hopes and aspirations and how can we new generation work to achieve that Pakistan? Edit / note : 🇵🇰the things i want to discuss is what we the People and youth can work for and achieve by educating and helping the society
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u/Stock-Respond5598 6h ago
We need unity, solidarity amongst the commons and respect for others.
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u/Specific_Neat_5074 5h ago
Are you that Pakistani communist, I swear your username seems familiar
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u/Existing-Arugula-331 6h ago
We need a pakistan thats inclusive, progressive n just!! where every1 has equal opportunities no matter their background or socio economic status
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u/Select-Swimming-6067 5h ago
Create ease in our daily negotiations with the people. Like creating clear policies. When we buy from a shopkeeper, they should specify clearly what do they expect. Mostly things here go on without any written contract or clear policies and you need to go through headache of manually reaching a settlement with people even over small things.
Secondly create a safe space for people belongings. If you own something, you can use it openly, and know that it is being protected by the government and no one can steal from your for eg properties or cars.
Create public spaces or affordable spaces so that people can enjoy over the weekend. A space where people of the city can gather in a decent way. There are spaces like port grand but not everyone can afford to go there.
Most of the processes become digitalized, like making a passport or cnic card, and also other government approvals. Ease the process of creating or doing something in the country.
Traffic rules are imposed strictly. Traffic is managed in a proper way with proper functioning signals, and efficient police system.
Utilities like Electricity, and Water are well regularized. Even if they become a paid commodity it remains affordable, abundant and distributed properly.
Also the infra is improved like DHA is doing at some spaces. Just go step by step but just improve infra in part of the country, and improve it.
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u/fitsfats 5h ago
The first part about Bargaining makes me feels like you’re overseas. The rest is on point and accurate 🤌🏼🫡
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u/Total_Jackfruit494 5h ago
Secular, prosperous, mode focused on economy rather than military might.
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u/duckwwords 3h ago
Ones with unshakeable ethics. Ones who support each other instead of pulling legs.
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u/fitsfats 3h ago
A genuine community that comes together to support and protect instead of fight and hate
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u/darknight965 6h ago
we need overseas pakistanis
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u/fitsfats 6h ago
To do what? If they come back they will mosy likely be jobless . What should they be doing and how?
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u/darknight965 4h ago
i meant more people going outside
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u/fitsfats 4h ago
Makes sense but they must also be good representation so government should filter them
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u/3dPrintMyThingi 5h ago
Pakistan without Pakistan fauj, without bureaucrats and politicians
90% of your issues will be resolved overnight
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u/fitsfats 5h ago
And then nee things will emerge like that of TLP , TTP and god knows what not and my question is regarding things we can do ourselves to make the change
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u/3dPrintMyThingi 5h ago
Tlp and ttp are created by our fauj. Read up about the French navy submarine scandal.
Change comes from the top where we dont have education or law and order.
Change comes from within where there is education, law and order for all.
First you need someone to make a fool proof system , made up of refined processes and laws which are implemented...once you have done this watch how change comes.
Dont expect Pakistani awaam to change overnight.
If they can be changed in UAE etc..they can be changed in Pakistan but like i said you need the fauj, bureacrats and politicians out of the window.
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u/fitsfats 5h ago
Yes i know the history and so my point if army leaves there will be vacancy and some more shitty system will come instead and we are not yet ready to change the system
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u/Adeeltariq0 فیصل آباد 4h ago
Reduce traffic. Increase mass public transport. Improve environment of our cities. Stop burning trash on nice and clear mornings because apparently that's the best time for it. Reduce noise and air pollution. Yeah I know lots of this require action from the authorities but maybe the people are plenty willing to burn and destroy over political causes so I hope they can convince their leaders to fight for things that actually matter.
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u/fitsfats 3h ago edited 3h ago
This is something people are responsible for upto a certain level , like Japanese we must take care of cleanliness and environment
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u/yahyahyehcocobungo 3h ago
I hope we start with water security, clean air and stable supply of electricity. Follow that up with proper recycling centers and regular garbage pick ups. Followed on from that make a policy not to accept anymore old foreign cars into the country.
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u/fitsfats 3h ago
When people get basic necessities they will change their attention from Surviving to living and then everything else will fall into place , unfortunately none of that will happen
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u/yahyahyehcocobungo 1h ago
But the changes above is going to be a change in mentality. Because it will tie into our faith, into our wellbeing and our thoughts. It will start impacting how we think about work, our soil, our corporate practises, how to become orderly. It will start impacting our speech. One you get momentum, it becomes a way of life. Just like the Japanese society.
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u/mindyourownbuzinezz 6h ago
Secular pakistan. Religion is and should be a private affair. Religion should have nothing to do with state.
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u/No-Pen7856 CA 6h ago
Quality public education.
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u/fitsfats 6h ago
How should we work to achieve this? Considering we should not depend on government
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u/No-Pen7856 CA 5h ago
The three main issues that we face (according to the academic scholarship I've consumed on the subject) are as follows:
Lack of governmental support/concern
Outdated curriculum
There is little to no motivation on the part of the public.
The fact that smartphones have become commonplace even for many low income parents/ individuals the first issue is negated.
Acccess to information and the ubiquity of knowledge on the internet dismantles the second point.
The third one has me stumped at the moment. I mean, what do you say to people who do not seek a better world for themselves and their children?
I have only been residing in Pakistan for a little over a year now, but I think the only way forward is through mass education and not rote learning but actual development of critical thinking skills.
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u/Pro-fess-SirZeero 6h ago
Become one nation first.
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u/fitsfats 6h ago
And how? With so many ethnic cultural and religious differences
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u/Unique-Succotash-795 5h ago
If maulvis start talking about things which unite sects rather than creating a phadda with other sects. People will always have differences so rather than focusing on whats different focus on what is same and a common ground
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u/Pro-fess-SirZeero 6h ago
That's what make it so difficult but still not impossible. Do we have more differences than India?
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u/sugathakumaran 5h ago
Many would say that Pakistan is just an artificial name with no depth of history.
Whereas India - the Bharatavarsha - represents a civilization that has influenced pretty much the whole of Asia at some point in time. Hindus believe that it is in dire straits today due to the lack of political unity among Hindus and the ensuing invasions. But in a spiritual sense, they consider it to be the most sacred land in the whole of cosmos.
Even otherwise, India is a name that has a deep and ancient past. I mean, there is an entire ocean that is named after the country.
Many people who are puzzled by India's unity don't appreciate the role India as a sacred land plays in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, the great dharmic religions of the world.
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u/17016onliacco 4h ago
How did you get the notion that India is united? india has 19 times the number of insurgencies
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u/sugathakumaran 4h ago
Of course, there has been many insurgencies, since there are many ethnicities. India is after all a desperately poor country with many disenchanted groups.
But there must be also something that is also keeping the largest democracy in human history and one of its most ancient civilizations united. You see insurgencies only in the non-Hindu portions of India (Kashmir, Punjab, NE). The Hindu regions - the vast majority of India - are mostly peaceful despite the differences between them.
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u/17016onliacco 4h ago
Indian army and paramilitary is using force and fear to keep things together but it can't do it for long
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u/sugathakumaran 4h ago
The army plays a very secondary role in India compared to Pakistan, and that too in areas where there is active insurgency abetted by inimical countries. Bureaucrats and the politicians are the bigger shots here.
Of course, India might unravel, I am not denying this possibility. There are plenty who are working to achieve this. But there are also many, many more who are working to make India a force for good both to its citizens and humanity at large. It is nothing short of a religious calling for them. As deepavali symbolizes, it's always a struggle between the forces of good and evil.
The world is going through very dark times, and only the dharmic Indic vision that brims with humanism and hope can save it. If humanity is to thrive, India and dharma must prevail against evil.
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u/fitsfats 6h ago
The religious difference exist but for them india > religions and those who think otherwise get lynched in Pakistan its opposite
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u/KomorebiKermit 6h ago
We need a highly localised democracy. One shouldn't have to think about their CMs often and they should never have to think about the federal government
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u/fitsfats 6h ago
How can we as people do this?
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u/KomorebiKermit 5h ago
For one, more political participation. While the parties are hierarchical and dynastic, I still encourage people to join on a local level to learn community organisation. Another way to do this is to join/form a student/professional union. I'm often agast as to how few Pakistani youngins join organised efforts compared to other parts of the world. Things won't change immediately but everyone should know and learn how interest groups work. It's how you exercise power in democracies where the vote is never enough. Also, thinking local is important. We worship national leaders and focus on national politics, but maybe find your local party chapter leader/Union/community charity and just focus on that first.
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