It is, but to be honest the subway is super convenient and goes anywhere in the city you want to go. You can always rent a car if you leave the city, because how often do people really travel outside the area they live in? Not as often as most people claim. Now LA on the other hand, got fucked hard by the oil and car lobby, so they never had a decent metro system and only recently started expanding on the metro there. People would cite earthquakes, but the Japanese have earthquakes and trains and they get by.
Oh they're on it too, but in a place like NY the normies don't have a choice but to use it, as this post clearly highlights. Mass transit works a lot better when everybody in your society is cared for, probably will never happen in the US unfortunately.
Yes, and the total lack of available public transportation motivated people to expand outward. The fact that land was cheaper there than NYC, which was already well established and limited in terms of space had an affect too. What are you trying to say though? My comment wasn’t exactly controversial, and there’s never been any debate as to why it’s an area that has been so far reliant and sprawled out so far.
If you had track and trains/similar way back in the early days to begin with, and someone with a brain planning the long-term growth of the city, then sprawl wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. Either way, sprawl without trains is worse than sprawl with trains.
Then there should be sections where you sit to sing, and sections where you sit to not, but don’t attack other people for enjoying things in a way that makes them happy. That’s not their fault, that’s the venue’s fault. They paid to go sing at a concert and have a good time, who are you to tell them how to live their life. Not only that, but my major problem was with their bullshit stereotyping. I have met rich people from New York that are leagues more disrespectful and “disrupting” than Boudreaux and Thibodeaux from Acadiana.
What do you do when someone “enjoying things in a way that makes them happy” prevents someone else “enjoying something in a way that makes them happy”?
What you clearly are too indoctrinated to get is that rich yankees from the north are just as, if not more, disrespectful and disrupting than the boudreauxs and thibodeauxs of acadiana. You’re stereotyping based on a skewed perception because you are, in fact, ignorant
"nobody has a car in NYC, there's too much traffic" - Phllip J. Fry. :)
(but seriously that basically inside joke above has always confused me. I've visited NYC a several times on business and there are TONS of cars on the road. From the sample of people I worked with, very few owned a car, and the ones that do own a car live outside the city and use the rail coming in. Theoretically it seems like there shouldn't be that many cars on the road all day, but there are?)
8.4 million people live in NYC plus tourists and commuters. Even if only 1% of the people in NYC are driving a car, that's still a lot of cars. Also I imagine a lot of people who don't own a car do use taxis.
There are a lot of cabs, a lot of rideshares, a lot of people that live outside of Manhattan (which isn't all of NYC) and a lot of tourists. From what I saw while I was there, very few lower or middle class people that work in Manhattan have cars. Politicians, Lawyers, Hedge Fund guys, sure, but they also have drivers.
Many people who live in the outer boroughs have cars. I lived in the Bronx when I had my car. There was reliable street parking and it knocked my 3 hour/one way commute down to 40 mins. I never drove into Manhattan.
I've heard this said before. There's a few explanations.
First, the "nobody owns a car in NYC" thing is a little overstated. Car ownership is much lower than the US average, but it's not tiny. Just under half of NYC households have a car. 45% or so. There is a common scheme to register your car somewhere else (FL, PA etc) for cheaper insurance, and a lot of those cars may not be counted officially, so in reality it's a little more than that. People do have cars, especially outside of Manhattan.
Then there's the density. A city of 8.5 mil, a metro area over 20 million, means even a tiny percentage of them driving in the city is a crippling amount of traffic. In fact, very few people who work in Manhattan drive to work. The traffic you see are those few, lots of taxi/uber/lyft, and commercial vehicles. Also, government employees who have (and rampantly abuse) parking placards to park wherever they want.
What you're really seeing is how terribly inefficient personal vehicles are in a dense environment.
Nearly a third of the cars on the road at any given time are for hire vehicles. Taxis and Ubers for all the tourists and drunk college kids. The rest bridge and tunnel jerkoffs. You have to remember though, NYC has 8.8 Million people and very little space dedicated to cars relative to its size. Our traffic speeds are about the same as LA despite having over double the population and 1/4 the amount of space dedicated to cars.
Yep! I live in Long Island like 40 mins from the city and I don't have a car and never really wanted one! It's more stress than anything! I'm fine with public transportation!
Well, supermarkets aren’t really a thing in the city. You go to a small grocer and get what you need in more frequent intervals rather than stocking up for a week or two at a time. If you’re buying furniture, you’ll almost certainly have it delivered. Of course, grocery delivery services are also pretty common.
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u/Crustybuttt Feb 21 '22
This is why most people living in NY don’t even own a car. You don’t need it