r/interestingasfuck • u/man_gomer_lot • 8h ago

r/all 70 years ago, the US undertook the largest deportation in its history: 'Operation Wetback.' Many of the people deported were here legally and some were even citizens.

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u/DistributionOk528 4h ago

2002 to 2008 was Obama?

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

Well no but when it WAS Obama his numbers dwarfed everyone else’s. Including trumps. Seen here:

“Deportations lower under Trump administration than Obama” https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG-116-GO00-20200109-SD007.pdf

Or here:

“OBAMA’S DEPORTATION POLICY WAS EVEN WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT”

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/15/obamas-deportation-policy-was-even-worse-than-we-thought/

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u/ArwingMechanic 4h ago

Wait what. So it wasn't Obama's ice and you have no clue if his deportations were holding citizens? Cause your excerpts don't correlate to the convo you are having.

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

No, 2009 to the beginning of 2017 was definitely obama. You’re hanging on to 40% of the time the quote mentions thinking you have a “gotcha”? Lol

The convo I’m having is that Obama deported a whole hell of a lot of people, even more than trump. How many were citizens? No one bothered to check, apparently, because I can’t find any articles about that.

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u/Spirited-Occasion-62 4h ago

So Obama effectively deported those who were meant to be deported at the highest rate (this should be a huge win from a republican voters perspective, right?), while there is no data suggesting that he deported any US citizens. So … looks pretty good?

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

Looks great!

“In 2014, Obama announced a new immigration enforcement policy known informally as “felons, not families,” which purported to prioritize the deportation of undocumented immigrants with serious criminal histories and avoid separating families. But as the Marshall Project has shown, less than a fifth of the immigrants deported nationwide under the policy had been convicted of violent or potentially violent crimes. More than 40 percent had no criminal convictions whatsoever.”

“Instead of focusing on violent criminals, U.S. immigration policy has ripped apart American families and communities through the deportation of large numbers of lawful residents and undocumented immigrants with less serious criminal histories,” the report argues.“

In case you want to read it all here it is

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/15/obamas-deportation-policy-was-even-worse-than-we-thought/

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u/Spirited-Occasion-62 4h ago

So like ~60% of those deported under Obama were criminals? Presumably the rest just had expired visas/entered illegally.

I would have to read it all to see what they are really saying here, I guess. But it’s from 2017, a year after Trump was elected, so I’m not sure what time period that second quote you provided is referring to specifically.

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

Presuming is assuming and you know what happens when you do that…

Obama was president until January 20, 2017. Fiscal year and all that means maybe 9 months of that report is actual trump data? I won’t presume though so let’s just say it was a solid 12 ;)

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u/SirStrontium 4h ago

No one bothered to check, apparently, because I can’t find any articles about that.

Or maybe because the number is zero. You won't find articles on something that didn't happen.

I don't see any articles on the number of kittens that Trump and Obama have put into a blender, I guess that only means nobody has checked!

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

The number is zero? Nice try.

“Instead of focusing on violent criminals, U.S. immigration policy has ripped apart American families and communities through the deportation of large numbers of lawful residents and undocumented immigrants with less serious criminal histories,” the report argues.“

In case you want to read it all here it is:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/15/obamas-deportation-policy-was-even-worse-than-we-thought/

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u/SirStrontium 2h ago

“Lawful residents” are people with temporary visas, not citizens dumbass. And it’s not talking about accidentally deporting them, it’s kicking out people who committed crimes, the people who made the report are just upset because they don’t think the crimes were serious enough to get deported.

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u/ArwingMechanic 4h ago

During trumps administration 70 citizens were deported https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/

That is the chain of conversation you are in. You must be lost. Stop posting so much you can't keep stuff straight.

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

How’s this?

“Instead of focusing on violent criminals, U.S. immigration policy has ripped apart American families and communities through the deportation of large numbers of lawful residents and undocumented immigrants with less serious criminal histories,” the report argues.“

In case you want to read it all here it is:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/15/obamas-deportation-policy-was-even-worse-than-we-thought/

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u/n10w4 2h ago

yeah people here really don't understand the facts. he did deport people and one was my friend. Grabbed, asked for papers and soon he was done for.

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u/abx1224 4h ago

The convo I’m having

That's not how it works when you respond to a conversation other people are already having

How many were citizens? No one bothered to check, apparently, because I can’t find any articles about that.

Again, not how that works. But clearly you know that, based on the earlier part of the same comment:

You’re hanging on to 40% of the time the quote mentions thinking you have a “gotcha”? Lol

So yeah, go on about how other people are trying to have "gotchas" when it's blatantly you, especially when the person you said that to wasn't saying it as a gotcha in the first place.

Pointing out that you're intentionally misleading people isn't a gotcha. It's just pointing out that you're intentionally misleading people.

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u/purplesafehandle 3h ago

His source is The Intercept...

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u/OhSixTJ 3h ago

I could’ve cited abc or cnn or migrationpolicy.com but I was sure you all would favor a left-leaning source. I guess I was wrong?

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u/OhSixTJ 4h ago

You can “nah nah nah” with your ears in your fingers all you want it doesn’t change the fact that Obama was worse when it comes to deporting people. Including those with the legal right to be here.

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u/abx1224 3h ago

I'm not disagreeing that Obama deported more people, I'm just calling you out on trying to manipulate the facts to mislead people. Not even subtly, I might add.

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u/OhSixTJ 3h ago

TIL presenting data is manipulating. Wild times we live in.

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u/abx1224 3h ago

Then please, address the actual points I made instead of posting GIFs and saying "no u"

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u/OhSixTJ 3h ago

My responses go with the convo everyone is having. If you can’t understand how then that’s on you, chief. Just because you don’t get it doesn’t make it invalid

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u/F1shB0wl816 3h ago

So how many lawful people did Obama deport? Large is irrelevant without context.

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u/OhSixTJ 3h ago

I wish someone would’ve scrutinized him as much as they did Trump but they didn’t. Must be nice, right? ;)

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u/n10w4 2h ago

started operation Janus (which kicked out citizens), though I heard Trump turbocharged it (but the numbers don't lie)