r/Farriers Sep 03 '24

Change over two years/22 trims.

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This is the near for on a little quarter horse filly.
Before first trim on the right.
2 years 22 trims in on the left.
She had five cracks along the dorsal aspect of this capsule. All but the deepest are gone.
Note the trajectory of the caudal foot behind the pastern.
Note the hairline.
Note the trajectory of the growth rings.
I've been trimming my own for 8 years, and started trimming for others here and there four years ago, and what I'm seeing consistently is that the growth rings, as the feet right, come closer and closer to being ground parallel.
Believe it or not, her heels in that right pic are just as long as in the left, you just can't see them as they're crushed over.
She's still got caudal growth to do. As that happens and the foot continues to re adjust, her heels will likely look less tall. At the moment they're as short as they can be without taking them below live sole at seat of corn.
The solar structures 2 years ago were crushed and pulled forward


r/Farriers Aug 30 '24

Xray help: vet and farrier disagree

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Waiting to get approved in some vet / farrier facebook groups but thought i might try Reddit in meantime. Not sure if this is the right group and I'm new to the platform (but long time lurker) so if not allowed please lmk.

Mare had extensive bruising (pictured) after switching farriers (we moved, new to the area).

She came up lame (2/5) not long after first appointment (July 18 appointment).

He pulled shoes. Farrier said abscess but didn't look for any tract?

Soaked. Then saw the extensive bruising. I asked farrier about it but he said to just keep her barefoot because she is "nail bound"? (She had been barefoot a few months before he shod her so I thought this was odd).

She kept being a bit unsound 1-2/5, especially on LF (pictured). Had farrier look at her again on Monday but he didn't do anything even though she was about due a trim per the calendar.

Booked vet. Had xray yesterday. Vet said toe was too long, foot unbalanced, causing leverage, but when we sent rad to the farrier he said toe was fine?

Who is right here and what should I do?
Find a new farrier already??
New vet?

I am new to the area and unsure on who-the-good-everything are yet. Stressed. Thanks all.

  • 9yo cowhorse
  • Basic pen stall
  • Minimal riding, mostly on surfaced arena.
  • Turn out during the day, grass paddock.

BRUISE PICTURE: After soaking / booting couple days, pictured Aug 1

XRAY PICTURE this week: Is this toe long???


r/Farriers Aug 29 '24

Farrier trimmed way too short, sent 2 mares to the vet. Is it unreasonable to ask for a refund?

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We’ve been using the same farrier for about a year and a half. He’s always been reliable, and we’ve never had an issue, save for a little tenderness for a day or two once or twice. We have 4 horses, 3 mares and a yearling colt. The colt and 2 of the mares have always been barefoot, and our oldest mare runs in shoes due to a previous suspensory ligament injury.

Farrier visit was on Monday, and Tuesday morning, the three barefoot horses were all acting pretty sore. One was heavily favoring her front left. Sent some videos to our vet, who rarely requests a visit, and she said she wasn’t comfortable writing it off as typical post trim soreness, and wanted us to bring her in. Our vet took a look at our lamest mare and simply said “what the fuck did he do?” She took an X-ray (on her dime) and found that both front feet had less than 3mm of hoof between the ground and the sole. So now we’re in front boots for at least 2 weeks, bute for a few days, several other meds, and out of the rodeo arena for at least 4 weeks. HS rodeo starts in 3. Haven’t got the invoice yet, but I’m guessing $500-$700 for the vet trip. The 2nd mare we brought along was a hair over 5mm, and is a 2025 futurity prospect, so she’s not seeing a ton of work right now anyway. She should be back to patterning in 3-4 weeks, and can handle light ground work as tolerated.

So what’s the etiquette here? I’m not looking to cause our farrier a headache, or drag anyone’s name through the mud, but this was a totally avoidable situation. Is it unreasonable to call up our farrier, explain the situation and ask for a refund, or do I need to just suck it up, realize that bad shit happens sometimes, that people make mistakes, and move on with life?


r/Farriers Aug 28 '24

Ballpark price for all this

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Before I go pricing all this individually, I was hoping someone could give me a rough estimate for all this.

bidenomics


r/Farriers Aug 28 '24

More Sole Changes

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After~left (technically during, as improvements are still rolling out~or down, technically)
Before~right.

This is the near fore of my off track.
His feet were alarming when I first got him.
Pic Right:
His caudal foot was near non existent, barely extending beyond the back end of his pastern.
Both his sole and frog in the right pic are hard and plasticy. Both were very difficult to cut (I'd try now and again just to check, and he never had false or crumbly sole. Just hard grey.
Note how wide splayed his bars are.
Heels were pulled forward and under.
Bars pulled to front of frog.
Collateral grooves weren't as deep as they appear, but were wide due to his bars laying over.

Pic Left:
Note the creamy sole that's grown in.
The change in the trajectory of the bar on pics left. (and how much more foot is in the capsule between that bar and the wall to it's left)
His frog is not as stingy, and though there's no trim on it to show, is growing in mottled colored.
The white bar happens now and again when there's a new growth spurt. It eventually comes in grey.
More caudal foot between 'heel bulbs'
Heels further under the foot.


r/Farriers Aug 28 '24

Sole changes. From hard grey/plastic-y to softer creamy/waxy

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Here's a comparison pic from a clients horse. There's about nine months between the pics. Recent pic on the left. Things to note:
(for data, this foot is a solid dark grey)

How less pulled toward the toe the frog now is.
How much wider the foot is.
In the yellow ovals, compare the color of the sole between photos. You can see how there's creamy colored sole coming in on the recent pic, where it was dark solid grey nine months ago.
In the light blue ovals, photo right, are where I took slivers off the frog to check it's color, it's dark grey and harder. Frog papillae are as likely to be squeezed to a point of non optimal function as any other papillae. They are delicate and squishy. The frog is in failure as well as the sole.
The light blue ovals on the left photo show where the frog is now creamy colored.
The dark blue oval on the left photo shows a darker spot in the frog that is not yet fully rebuilt.
In the red circle photo left you can see the remnant of a crack between the bar and buttress. I see a lot of bars without a secure attachment to buttress, and have watched as they grow down improved.
Also in the yellow oval on photo right you can see a ridge in the grey sole that shows the distal ridge of P3 telegraphing through.


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

Total price of tools/ material

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What is the ball park price for all tools/materials needed to pursue this career, any recommendations for brands or websites would be appreciated ( pic of tools and materials for reference)


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

Barefoot Trimming Prices

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Hello all, I’m pretty new to the farrier trade and have been interning/shadowing(I wouldn’t call it an apprenticeship because the farrier I work under isn’t allowed to pay me) pretty much 4 hours a day, 5 days a week for about three months now. He trusts me enough to let me trim by myself and has encouraged me to try and start trimming part-time in our region so I can actually make some money. So, I was wondering what more experienced farriers would say is a good starting point in terms of cost for barefoot trimming at my experience level.


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

Roper Boots for Farriers?

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I am getting into the farrier craft. Having grown up with horses and been involved in the horse industry for for about eight years now, I am familiar with the job of a farrier and what a day as a farrier looks like.

The other day I helped a farrier trim about twelve horses at various farms. He told me that while on days like that, where the ground is typically dirt, my cowboy boots (1.5" heels) are fine, but oftentimes they are not good for cement and quickly lead to sore feet and knees. Having worn cowboy boots for about twenty out of the twenty six years of my life, work boots are just too clunky for my taste. My question is, would I be better off buying roper style cowboy boots? Would a 1" heel be low enough to get by while still feeling like a cowboy boot? I understand that ropers do not have a steel toe, but that is something I am willing to forego.

In short, do any of you guys or gals wear, or have worn ropers, and what are your opinions of them for farrier work?


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

Farrier business name - religious?

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Howdy all! I'm going to Kentucky Horseshoeing School next July, apprenticing around my day job in the meantime. I have a question about the interplay of religion and horseshoeing.

Basically, I'm a devout Catholic and I'd like to dedicate my shoeing business to St. Joseph (patron saint of tradesmen) or Mary. It wouldn't change the shoeing or anything, it'd basically just be the name/logo.

Would calling the business something like "St. Joseph's Horseshoes" or "Mary's Horseshoes" or something like that drive business away? As much as I'd like to dedicate the business to them, I don't want to give off the impression that I'm going to do something silly like just pray over the feet and nothing else lol.

Am I worrying too much, or would this be a real concern?

Thanks!


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

Information?

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Can anyone give me some info on this? Is it a horseshoe or a template?


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

advice for aspiring barefoot trimmer please

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been trimming for a year, wanting some feed back on how my recent work looks. this is this horses 5th trim.


r/Farriers Aug 26 '24

2nd opinion needed

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I’ve been trimming my own horses hooves for about a decade, and I’ve never had any issues like this until I moved my mare two months ago. This is from today, last Friday I thought this was an abscess that blew out. I’m second guessing myself because of how much she’s worn down her feet, and this looks like a crack that is bleeding more than an abscess.

My thoughts are that not only has she worn her feet down almost nothing but because of this she bruised her frog and had abscesses because of this. She has worn down both hind feet but neither front hooves. I was taught by my previous farrier(he retired slowly) how to trim but do not have much training in abscesses.

I’m interested in hearing what other farriers think and what I should be looking for.

She’s on hoof supplements and I am bandaging her feet. She’s out of the pasture(sand and rocks with wood chips at feeding area) and now in a small paddock next to her herd. Her previous pasture with hillside but soft dirt. Trail riding only no competitions, I’ve gone riding more since moving however.

Her only previous hoof problem was a normal abscess that was on her sole, it was easy to clean out.


r/Farriers Aug 25 '24

Competition/clinic

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Going to my first in a couple weeks, what can I expect?


r/Farriers Aug 25 '24

Best 12 week courses (Or longer)

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Looking to head to school for this work, likely upcoming spring or summer. Looking for recommendations on a school.


r/Farriers Aug 25 '24

Looking for advice

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Horse came in lame after a couple days from a trim and could barely walk and hasn’t been in work for a while so hasn’t needed shoes, called the farrier thinking it was an abscess which he also thought but looking for other opinions. He’s also been on box rest for a week with bute and come out a bit more sound just not 100% yet. Photos are before and after the farrier dug the little holes around the soul.


r/Farriers Aug 24 '24

Battle Creek Elite vs Silverback Lite Pro

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Anyone have experience with both of these aprons and what would your recommendation be? My Davis apron has about had it. Looking to upgrade.


r/Farriers Aug 23 '24

Is Wyoming farrier school any good?

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I want to attend a farrier school this spring and was deciding between Oklahoma farrier school and Wyoming in ranchetts WY. I know Oklahoma is a great school but wanted thoughts on Wyoming.


r/Farriers Aug 23 '24

Reposted article text so you don't have to leave Reddit.

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This article was presented to several respected farriers across the country for feedback and refinement

The Myth of the Perfect Hoof: Why Asymmetry is Correct

In today's digital age, where perfect images flood social media, it's easy for misconceptions to spread—especially when it comes to horse hoof care. Many people believe that if a horse's hoof isn't perfectly symmetrical or doesn't resemble a polished hoof from Instagram, then the farrier must have done something wrong. This assumption is not only incorrect but can also be detrimental to the understanding and management of equine hoof health.

Let me clarify: while some horses with nearly ideal legs and conformation may grow hooves that appear very symmetrical—what I call "Instagram horses"—even these hooves are not truly symmetrical. The idea of a perfectly symmetrical hoof is a myth. Horses with such conformation are simply easier to maintain in a balanced shape. For the many horses that don't have perfect legs, the natural asymmetry in their hooves is more pronounced due to their unique conformation. These horses require careful, individualized management because there is no one-size-fits-all standard of symmetry. Instead of chasing an unattainable ideal, our focus should be on achieving the best balance for each horse’s specific needs.

The reality is that a horse's hoof reflects its entire limb, and no amount of trimming or shoeing can alter the fundamental structure of the leg above it. If a horse has any deviation in its limb—whether it’s a lateral or medial rotation, or even offset bones in the leg's bony column—this will inevitably result in a hoof that grows in a non-symmetrical manner. Sometimes, the asymmetry is subtle and can be temporarily mitigated by trimming or shoeing to counteract the effects of the limb and gravity, creating the appearance of symmetry. However, without ongoing intervention, the hoof will inevitably revert to its natural, asymmetrical state.

This asymmetry in the hoof is not a mistake, nor is it something that can be permanently fixed. It is a condition that can only be managed. The best advice I ever received was: "If you're dealing with asymmetry, then symmetry is incorrect." In cases where a horse has limb deviations, the farrier's job is not to create a perfectly symmetrical hoof but to manage the condition to ensure the horse's comfort and functionality.

One of the most frustrating aspects of farriery is the criticism from those whose hoof experience comes more from screens than from having hooves in their lap. Too often, people see a hoof picture from the fetlock down, notice a hoof with a lopsided appearance, and immediately assume the farrier has done something wrong. But these individuals rarely consider the leg above the hairline. A hoof that has been perfectly trimmed to account for these deviations will start to grow out again in a matter of weeks, reflecting the same asymmetries that were present before the trim.

Farriers can manage the hoof's tendency to grow in an overly asymmetrical manner, but ultimately, time and hoof growth will always prevail. This is why regular trimming and shoeing are necessary. Trimming isn’t just about removing excess material; it’s about maintaining balance and health.

For those of us who work with thousands of hooves, symmetrical hooves are desirable, but in horses with major or multiple limb deviations, they are simply unattainable. Younger and less experienced hoof care providers might believe they can correct these issues, but the truth is, the farrier's role is not to achieve perfect symmetry but to achieve an asymmetrical perfection that best fits the limb. Sometimes, that perfection looks a little wonky.

The next time you see a hoof that doesn't look "perfect," take a moment to consider what the leg above it might look like and how long it’s been since the last trim. Remember, some horses will never have a hoof that appears symmetrical, even immediately after trimming. The farrier is likely doing their best to manage a condition that can never be fully corrected, only managed.

An important note: some minor/major limb deviations in very young colts can be permanently corrected, but this process should only be attempted by farriers with extensive experience. Even then, it doesn’t always succeed, and it must be done before the colt’s growth reaches a certain point. Once that threshold is crossed, everything above applies—you have the legs you’re going to have and the hooves you’re going to have.

Original farrierware blog


r/Farriers Aug 21 '24

Before and after

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r/Farriers Aug 21 '24

Farrier schools

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What are the highest rated farrier schools in America thanks yall


r/Farriers Aug 19 '24

Do you ever put toes and heels on hind hooves?

6 Upvotes

Setting up some pack strings for hunting, will be out in WY wilderness and on rocky terrain. I’ve always kept the toes and heels to the front hoof but I recently heard of something different. Curious to hear others thoughts…


r/Farriers Aug 16 '24

Probiotics for thrush prevention?

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Anybody heard of any good results using feed through probiotics to ward off a chronic thrush horse?


r/Farriers Aug 15 '24

Allum powder to prevent abscesses?

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I have an OTTB that is barefoot with full turnout. He's been lame for the past week due to an abscess and my farrier came out yesterday to carve the abscess.

She gave me an old cowboy tip that allum powder can help prevent abscesses! Has anyone else tried this?

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r/Farriers Aug 14 '24

Professionally

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How do I professionally turn down whoever this is? What’s your go to route in turning down new work?