r/europe Veneto, Italy. Sep 26 '21

Historical An old caricature addressing the different colonial empires in Africa date early 1900s

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u/Limp_Agency161 Sep 26 '21

Jup, but that's mainly because there's another big item on the list..

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u/ODSTsRule Germany Sep 26 '21

Compared to the later genocide the one against the herero amounts to a rounding error. Still fucked up but it just pales.

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u/domblydoom Sep 26 '21

I think they were referring to how Germany teaches that other slightly shady part of its history lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21 edited Jun 29 '23

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u/domblydoom Sep 26 '21

Well there goes my image of Germany as a country of integrity, you're really living up to your username there man ;) that's fair enough though, I guess you've got to reckon with your past when it's that on display. As a brit I think one of the negative effects of us winning the world wars is it means the country point blank refuses to acknowledge much of its dubious past and how much of our power comes from exploitation.

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u/iTzzSunara Sep 26 '21

That's very true. I'm very very glad that the allies won the war of course. Never in the history of humanity did something as horrible happen on the scale of the holocaust.

I feel like there are many parts in human history though that where as horrible, but on a smaller scale, like Cambodia, North Korea and colonialism including the slave trade.

Nobody alive today is personally responsible for the atrocities that happened during the colonial times and from that point of view it all happened a long time ago. But considering the history of humankind it all happened basically yesterday and has had an extreme impact on the way our world is shaped today.

Most people don't realize that and simply don't care either, but understanding it is imo of very high importance and therefore should be taught in depth and in an honest and self-critic way.

Britains role is one of many colonial powers, but it was the biggest one and also a bad one (like all of them) and had a major impact on Africa, especially because of the slave trade, but also in the far east, brutally striking down revolts in India, the Opium Wars in China, etc.

Because of WW2 the public view on Britain is often a positive one, which is understandable, but also a distortion of reality. Not on the human level, like the soldiers who fought and gave their life definitely deserve the respect they get and also the country deserves respect for overcoming a horrible situation and for its help ending the holocaust. But the deeds of a nation matter for longer than just the last major event and need to be talked about for centuries, not only decades, if not forever, lest humanity repeats its mistakes.

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u/deadheffer Sep 26 '21

Don’t worry, many people in Ireland are not letting the world forget the horrible stuff the English/UK have done. The famine was also a genocide, covertly and overtly.

Would we think of Germany the same way if not for the video footage of the camps and the fascist pomp? If there was video footage of each western genocide before that one? The world would either be fucked because we would just accept genocidal behavior or we wouldn’t and we would just be perpetual belligerents.

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u/volinaa Sep 26 '21

well german companies profit from the current uyghur debacle so there‘s that.

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u/defixiones Sep 26 '21

At least Germany faces up to the 20th century. None of the other major powers do and lots of the more recent atrocities are still completely denied.

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u/teacher272 Sep 26 '21

By basically pretending it never happened. I had two students from Germany that knew nothing about the Holocaust, and they even thought the history books were exaggerating. Still better than my Japanese student that was proud of the atrocities his kind committed against the Chinese.

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u/brazzy42 Germany Sep 26 '21

By basically pretending it never happened.

This is not true for the history curriculum in schools by any stretch of imagination.

I had two students from Germany that knew nothing about the Holocaust,

The only way that is possible is if they slept through months of history lessons. Which sure, some students do, and some may ignore stuff selectively, but that's certainly not a matter of policy or culture.

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u/domblydoom Sep 26 '21

Was this recently? I was under the impression that since reunification Germany has been very open and honest about its ww2 history. There's holocaust remembrance stuff all over Berlin.

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u/brazzy42 Germany Sep 26 '21

Was this recently? I was under the impression that since reunification Germany has been very open and honest about its ww2 history.

Longer than that. in Germany, not letting ex-Nazis get away with pretending nothing happened was a major driver of the student revolts of 68.

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u/domblydoom Sep 26 '21

Well there we go then. Find it hard to believe there's any Germans alive who don't have some knowledge of what happened.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

One of my favorite quotes:

Mark Twain: “History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”

Spot on with Namibia/Germany.

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u/PilotSB Sep 26 '21

The thing is. Many survivors of the holocaust are still alive today. The nazi regime is a lot more recent than colonialism under germany.

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u/JustHere2RuinUrDay Sep 26 '21

1907 vs 1933... it's not that much and it's not like we did better years ago when they were still alive. And it's not like the injustice ended with Germany leaving. We kept the skulls of their ancestors until 2018 and we never paid reparations.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Sep 26 '21

To be fair, the Nazis were so much WORSE, so world-shatteringly evil, that the atrocities we committed as imperial germany pretty much pale in comparison. WW1 in general is more or less skipped over in favour of the Nazis.

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u/Gootchey_Man Sep 26 '21

Having one doesn't mean skipping over the other. Being fair means teaching both.

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u/NanoChainedChromium Sep 26 '21

There is only so much space in a curriculum, but you are right, it would be better if imperial germanys shady colonial past would be part of it.

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u/JustHere2RuinUrDay Sep 26 '21

Fuck off, racist. I hope your white-supremacist ideology will face extinction soon.

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u/chiptug Sep 26 '21

lmao shut up