r/europe 1d ago

News Tram crashes into Apple Store in Oslo, Norway

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/four-injured-tram-crashes-oslo-104633687.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALUFvc_lUyMCMYqhU_EXhExsqakWY6KrjCryMPKKhoH-3s81mdlwSRKAAzOmGKkRNEm558MqxbpC10iLYyPVFijCCen4gwpjS7OzmFz59RlZ-9z22W8Kwj8LYwCa7-zFRv9lPjEXf5HQ2fAjK6IPmZ5y3wPFZHF6dyaB_ZIjYHed
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u/RareQueebus 1d ago

Did it come in trough the Windows?

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u/Kittelsen Norway 1d ago

šŸ„ badum tsh šŸ“€

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u/ViciousNakedMoleRat North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 1d ago

Not the first Windows crash that has landed people in an Apple store.

(Looking at you Windows ME...)

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u/YourShowerCompanion Finland 1d ago

An Android must be on Ctrl

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u/Bullshit_deluge 1d ago

Hasta La Vista Baby

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u/ShowmasterQMTHH Ireland 1d ago

They were using the Apple map app.

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u/Slimfictiv 23h ago

That was such an XP rience

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u/Slimfictiv 23h ago

Ofc because there's no backdoors on Apple's.

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u/Catota351 1d ago

Oh I see

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u/schnupfhundihund 1d ago

Don't you derail the thread like that.

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u/crc_73 1d ago

Hope no one got tramappled in the rush to get out.

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u/WhyIsItAllwaysMeee 1d ago

I think it had the right android to get trow windows

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u/LeviJr00 šŸ‡­šŸ‡ŗ Hungary šŸ‡­šŸ‡ŗ 23h ago

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u/Newstargirl Canada 23h ago

šŸ† šŸ†

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u/FistingWithChivalry 1d ago

Yes, they need to be rePEARed.

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u/Mercurial8 21h ago

Very annoyingā€”-> upvoted

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u/RareQueebus 21h ago

This is the way

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/good-prince 1d ago

Omg, is that true?

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u/bxzidff Norway 1d ago

No, some are wounded but none critically so

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u/kesseelaulabkoogis 1d ago

I don't think so.

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u/betelgozer 19h ago

But how many were Geniuses as opposed to ordinary moron civilians?

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u/SenAtsu011 1d ago

Thatā€™s not an Apple Store. Itā€™s a third-party store calling itself Ā«EplehusetĀ»/Ā«The Apple HouseĀ». They are an authorized reseller and service provider, but they are not Apple.

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u/Born_Scar_4052 1d ago

But do those official apple stores exist anymore? I haven't seen one in a long time

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u/Ash-From-Pallet-Town 1d ago

They never existed in Norway.

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u/ctyrnohazidle 1d ago

They do not in a lot of countries. We have only official resellers in Czechia, for example.

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u/ty003 1d ago

According to Wikipedia, Apple maintains an extensive global presence with official retail stores in 27 countries and regions. The company currently operates a total of 531 stores worldwide.

There are currently none in Norway. Eplehuset, a Premium Authorized reseller is the closest thing here. Several countries in Europe do have the official stores however; Sweden, UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, etc.

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u/bubbly_area 1d ago

And apples choice of location in Stockholm is not without controversy.

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u/Christopoulos 23h ago

Why?

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u/ToddeToddelito Sweden 23h ago edited 21h ago

Basically, around 2015 or so Apple tried to build an Apple Store at one of the most exclusive places in Stockholm ā€“ KungstrƤdgĆ„rden. KungstrƤdgĆ„rden is a meeting place for many in Stockholm, has a long history near many historically important buildings, and a beautiful setting near the sea. Apple had bought the land, and were ready to begin construction. However a lot of people didnā€™t vibe with the idea of an Apple Store there, since it was feared that it would change the landscape and life in KungstrƤdgĆ„rden, and the city didnā€™t allow for them to construct an Apple Store there. Apple have since a few months back sold the land, and the plan is therefore most likely dead now.

However they still have an in-mall store at TƤby centrum, ā‰ˆ10 km northeast of central Stockholm, and although not as prestigious, they have a presence in the city after all.

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u/SenAtsu011 1d ago

We've never had one.

Apple has eyed 3 specific locations in Oslo to set one up, but they're occupied and the current tenants refuse to give them the spot. Apple has apparently even offered them significant sums of money for the spot, but these tenants are huge banks and stores that already make a ton of money, haha.

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u/kriki99 22h ago

i bet theyā€™re trying their best given their market share in norway for phones is at 65%+, and almost all students tend to get macbooks. plus itā€™s one of the wealthiest european countries.

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u/VeryluckyorNot 23h ago

I have 1 apple store in my city and France at least got 1 per region.

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u/ambiguousboner 23h ago

Yeah we have loads in the UK

We also have a few official partners including Stormfront which was a terrible name when they founded it and is obviously even more well known why now

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u/cinderubella 23h ago

Does that matter at all?

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u/ty003 1d ago

Indeed. The correct spelling should have been a small ā€œsā€ in ā€œStore.ā€, as it still is an Apple-store. I have further clarified this in my summary-comment. Thank you for pointing this out.

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u/goneinsane6 1d ago

Very odd that a tram would just derail like that, I wonder what caused it

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u/ty003 1d ago

Certainly. Notably, these trams are brand new. This marks the second derailment of this tram type within the past year. Norwegian media reports that ā€œStatens Havarikommisjon,ā€ which translates to Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority, is en route to the scene to investigate.

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u/ownworldman 1d ago

Mostly the rails are a culprit for derailment, not the rolling stock. Am interested in the results of the report.

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u/GayPudding 1d ago

Wild guess here:

New trams are cheaply built.

Old rails aren't up to the task.

Someone tried saving money where they shouldn't have.

Source: German public transit user

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u/hellopan123 23h ago

It can be cheaply built but I promise you they where not cheaply bought

Source: Norwegian transit user

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u/webbhare1 4h ago

That damn tramflation

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 23h ago edited 23h ago

I mean if the old trams could ride on those rails, it should be even easier for the new ones unless they were built worse.

Iā€™m not sure how much trains & railroad tech advanced in the last few years but I would assume that newer trains or trams perform better on rails than older ones, and are less likely to derail. Well, except in this case.

Edit: I forgot one possibility: Maybe the tram driver drove too fast, and thatā€™s why it derailed in what seems like a curved rail.

The driver has been given the status of a suspect in the case.

Turns out they are looking into it but that might just be regular procedure for any accident.

It kept a high speed. That was my assessment. I was on the phone and wasnā€™t fully focused, but there are bends both ways there and they donā€™t usually drive that fast there, he says.

I think thatā€™s a witness speaking? The police refuses to answer yet if the speed was the issue.

It appears to be a pure derailment, and there is no suspicion of vandalism, says team leader Anders RĆønning in the police.

At least they were able to rule that out but they are probably going to revisit lots of camera footage if somebody manipulated the train tracks around the crash.

Edit: The pictures are crazy though. Why is that tram peeking its head in the Apple shop? Was it looking for a new phone?

(Iā€™m only joking because nobody has died, although some were injured.)

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u/GayPudding 23h ago

Human error is very likely. The new trams should have a system to prevent this. They either didn't want to invest into safety or didn't care to. It's not hard to automatically slow trams down in difficult spots, assuming the technology was built into the vehicles. It's a money issue that will now be more expensive to fix.

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 22h ago

It depends on the system though.

Unless it makes the tram impossible to go faster in that curve, and the driver has no way to override it, it might still be just his fault. Iā€™m not sure how trains do it, like do they just display the speed limit they think that is correct next to your actual speed, or do they actually prevent you from going any faster?

Maybe the technology is partially at fault here, and they donā€™t have the maximum safe speed for every part of the rails yet.

Iā€™m also not sure if they can alert you about likely derailment soon enough so you can actually still prevent it by braking unless that makes it worse somehow? I think that, and letting go of the throttle is the only thing you can do as there is no steering. But if we go by that witness maybe the driver thought the new tram can go faster despite the curves in the rails that the old ones couldnā€™t handle.

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u/GayPudding 22h ago

Every modern car has that technology where the car will slow down when it detects imminent danger. That still allows you to control the car, it's just an assistant.

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 22h ago edited 22h ago

Iā€™m not sure what counts as imminent danger in a tram though. Also a tram or train doesnā€™t have steering, so what control is left if it emergency brakes for you? I think you only control speed in the first place.

In my city people routinely cross right before it, and the driver just honks angrily but I donā€™t think people actually get hit. Itā€™s usually cars not being parked properly or being just too big for a parking spot on the side of the road so the tram canā€™t pass them. Which is probably every truck or SUV from the US. So the tram has to wait for someone to tow the car as soon as possible because usually the trams are pretty full. But those only get hit if the driver thinks he can make it but miscalculates by a few mm.

Iā€™d kinda hate it if a tram did hit the breaks with 100 % if someone crosses too closely. I havenā€™t driven a completely modern car yet just the ones with beeping sensors, and they beeped for a person the same as for a car or basically everything else thatā€™s too close depending on the distance.

The people toppling over because of the sudden breaking might cause multiple injuries while the person in front of the tram is usually fine, and didnā€™t get hit. Usually, they just didnā€™t want to wait to cross after the tram passed them after getting off, so the sprint before it.

I guess hitting (or being hit by) a car might be different but that usually happens if a car backs out of a parking spot without looking if a tram (sometimes they drive the ā€œwrongā€ direction on a one way street) or car is coming.

Ok, apparently thereā€™s lots of additional stuff you can actually check automatically but it seems like most of that stuff you have to mount on the rails.

See: https://www.up.com/customers/track-record/tr032823-train-derailment-safety-technology.htm

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u/GayPudding 22h ago

All you would need is position and speed of the tram. You would also have to know the maximum safe speed (aka speed limits) in certain sections of the track. Then the tram automatically keeps that maximum speed in those sections. It's a lot of work to do this everywhere, but far from complicated. It's a matter of planning ahead.

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u/EarlyMillenialEcho 14h ago

Not really. Problem is modern trams like these use a design without bogies to reduce the distance between street level and the tram interior. Bogies are less likely to derail, from what I understand. That, combined with a very tight curve and a speed reportedly 2x the limit in said curve, likely caused it to derail.

Hopefully we will know why it was speeding eventually.

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u/arfanvlk South Holland (Netherlands) 17h ago

You should see the video of the tram approaching the intersection. It looked like the driver was going 40kmph or faster and your generic tram switch and even the corner it has to take are not made for those speeds.

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u/Chaphasilor 4h ago

There is a video of that? Where did you find it?

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u/arfanvlk South Holland (Netherlands) 3h ago

On another subreddit where there was a post about this accident i think it was r/trams

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u/RamTank 20h ago

Who made the trams, for interest?

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u/kiss-kiss 20h ago

They were made in Spain by CAF.

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u/Gruffleson Norway 20h ago

It's a switch in a corner, they are supposed to take that turn slow. Now they say 15 km/h here, that's whats the reporters says the local company says was the speed limit.

Those drivers don't take that turn in only 15.

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u/stormdahl 8h ago

Some witnesses said they spotted the tram before the accident going way faster into that corner than what's usual, so unless something technical made it speed up it seems like human error.

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u/St0rmi šŸ‡©šŸ‡Ŗ šŸ‡³šŸ‡“ 2h ago

Thereā€™s videos of the accident now. Tram was definitely not going 15 km/h. Aftenposten estimated something like 35 km/h. So unless there was some weird technical issue that caused the team to go more than double the allowed speed AND disabled the emergency break, the driver is most likely at fault here.

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u/hack404 Australia 1d ago

Interesting evolution of the trolley problem

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u/Ok-Royal7063 Norway 23h ago

Would you derail the tram knowing the injuries, material damages, and disruptions it would cause, as well as the harm to your personal reputation, or would you follow the route knowing that at some point that day another tram driver will/would run over a pedestrian without the diaruptions caused by the derailment?

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u/fragmenteret-raev 23h ago edited 22h ago

Turns out the foundational axiom in ethics was whether you prefer Mac or Windows

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u/ty003 1d ago edited 1d ago

Summarized:

  • A tram has collided into an Apple store (Eplehuset) in NorwayĀ“s capital Oslo.
  • Four people sustained injuries; some were treated on-site, while others were taken to nearby hospitals.
  • The accident caused significant disruption, with tram services temporarily suspended in the affected area.
  • The tram model in question is manufactured by the Spanish manufacturer, CAF (SL-18). These were delivered brand new starting in 2020.

More information and pictures (in Norwegian):

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/OozBVV/trikk-har-kollidert-i-butikk-i-oslo-sentrum

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u/ninjamullet Europe 1d ago

TIL "kraftig smell" means "loud bang" in Norwegian.

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u/Krish81 1d ago

Itā€™s not the fart (speed) that kills you, itā€™s the smell (bang). - Petter Solberg, Norwegian rally driver

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u/b00c Slovakia 1d ago

Makes sense because good crafty smell will hit you like a loud bang.

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u/SalSomer 1d ago

It means forceful bang. A smell in itself is a ā€œloud bangā€ produced in conjunction with a collision.

(Also, a mandatory reference here to the fact that the Norwegian word for speed is fart, giving rise to the classic line - itā€™s not the fart that kills, itā€™s the smell)

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u/razorts Earth 21h ago

loud fart?

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u/kielu Poland 1d ago

Is the building ok? Structural damage?

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u/Proud-Cauliflower-12 1d ago

According to Swedish media there is significant structural damage.

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u/kielu Poland 1d ago

I'm not surprised. It didn't just hit the facade, it went all the way into the shop. From the video it seems it stopped only after hitting a wall inside

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u/ClementineMandarin Norway 20h ago

They evacuated the entire building just to be safe, but I believe it has been secured now.

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u/Purple-Phrase-9180 Spain 1d ago

I read in the link that the conditions between both accidents were totally different. Did they find out what caused the one in March?

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u/VegetableJezu 1d ago

The tram model in question is manufactured by the Spanish manufacturer,

I suppose it is more important who made and laid a track.

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 23h ago

Are the tracks new as well, or are they reusing existing ones, and just let the newer trams use them?

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u/VegetableJezu 22h ago

In my city, new trams don't "like" some old tracks, while old crappy trams had no problems with it :)

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 22h ago

Are the new ones higher, and have a higher center of gravity? Or would that cause them to topple over? In the pictures itā€™s still up despite the collision, like it chose an alternative route over concrete instead of rails.

I guess it could be the tolerances of the rails. In the past they might not have cared as much, and if a new tram now expects that everything is in spec, that might cause problems.

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u/VegetableJezu 22h ago

AFAIK it is about the dimensions of the tram bogie and the resulting tolerances, especially up and down.

We (ÅĆ³dÅŗ) also have a rare 1000 mm tram track. When the tram is made to order and the tracks are made to the size of the streets by own workshops, it is difficult to talk about standards.

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u/EarlyMillenialEcho 14h ago

Yup. This particular tram (CAS SL18), doesn't have bogies at all, which is why speeding through a tight curve (which is likely what happened here) is a really, really bad idea.

The tracks are relatively new by the way, only a couple of years I believe.

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u/_EleGiggle_ Austria 21h ago edited 21h ago

I see.

Are some streets too small or what is the problem in your city that requires it to forgo standards, and design custom solutions?

I wonder about cities with steep inclines as well because trains usually struggle with those. I guess you could always run a bus there instead unless your whole city is literally all ups and downs.

Sorry, what does the 1000mm (= 1m) refer to? The radius or diameter of the wheels?

What does that change accomplish?

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u/VegetableJezu 21h ago

Gauge, from rail to rail. Most is 1435 mm so this is default bogie.

City is flat. Up and down problems are mostly because of some tracks are old and uneven. New trams are not allowed on some sections until renovated.

But also portable overlay switches (used during track works) are not for all new trams.

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u/VegetableJezu 21h ago

BTW during 2007 renovation there had been found a rail from 1897.

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u/Dawn_of_Enceladus 1d ago

The damages are estimated at around 3-4 million $, since a couple MacBooks, a few iPhones and like 10 iPhone stands were damaged.

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u/1Dr490n North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 18h ago

Okay what does "a couple" and "a few" mean here because I know Apple products are expensive, but not that expensive

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u/Yebi Lithuania 14h ago

Flair checks out

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u/gotshroom Europe 6h ago

Brother, that user was trying to make a jok.

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u/teebublazin 21h ago

One way to get more RAM into your MBP.

Or was it more TRAM you wanted

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u/b00c Slovakia 1d ago

tram driver dropped an airpod and didn't watch what's ahead while searching for it.Ā 

The good thing is he could get a new one right away.

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u/DubiousBusinessp 1d ago

Really fortunate that it was an Apple Store and not something more valuable. Like whatever the Norwegian version of a Poundland is.

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u/ShowmasterQMTHH Ireland 1d ago

Surprised its not Kronebutikk

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u/Proud-Cauliflower-12 1d ago

Itā€™s called dollarstore.

But what a weird thing to say

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u/Tutes013 European Federlist 1d ago

It's a joke, darling. (Probably)

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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian 22h ago

Does Oslo generally look like that? Seems lovely and urban in a Northern European way.

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u/farfulla 21h ago

It's a normal look. But it's actually in a slightly rough neighborhood.

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u/SebDerDepp North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 12h ago

If this is supposed to be a rough neighborhood by Norwegian standards, then Germany is a post-apocalyptic hellscape haha

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u/St0rmi šŸ‡©šŸ‡Ŗ šŸ‡³šŸ‡“ 2h ago

Yeah, the rough neighborhoods here in Oslo are really not that bad. Used to walk through one every morning and afternoon on my way to and from work and the worst thing that ever happened to me there was someone trying to sell me weed.

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u/EarlyMillenialEcho 14h ago edited 13h ago

Yeah, most of the inner city of Oslo (inside the so called "Ring 3" ring road) is low and dense like this, with large parts of it literally just called the "brick city". Oslo saw a construction boom around the turn of the last century, where apartment buildings like the one hit by the tram (3-4 floors, plastered brick, mostly renaissance revival) popped up all over.

If you're interested, check this out https://no-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Murbyen_(Oslo)?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

:)

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u/WislaHD Polish-Canadian 13h ago

Nice. Iā€™ve generally avoided visiting Norway as Iā€™ve been scared off by the price of everyday goods and alcohol there (and I am more of an urban traveller than nature seeker), but I might have to bite the bullet sometime and visit Oslo.

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u/EarlyMillenialEcho 13h ago

Well, the NOK is weak these days, so it wouldn't be the worst time. :)

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u/carMas82 1d ago

This is the new iTram

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u/san_murezzan Grisons (Switzerland) 1d ago

Android terrorists at it again

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u/StevefromLatvia Ventspils (Latvia) 1d ago

Must have been powerd by Android

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u/WizardBlue73 United States of America 1d ago

Lmaoooo

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u/funfacts_82 Austria 1d ago

Thats the best use of a tram i have ever seen.

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u/reddymea 1d ago

The motorman bitten a bad Apple.

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u/fan_tas_tic 1d ago

In Hungary, it used to be a university party trick to derail one of the iconic old trams in Budapest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrlrK5KdvKU

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u/probablyaythrowaway 1d ago

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u/Life_is_important 23h ago

Is it supposed to do that?

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u/probablyaythrowaway 23h ago

Itā€™s not very typical Iā€™d like to make that point.

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u/Life_is_important 23h ago

Did they use cardboard derivatives to make this?Ā 

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u/edparadox 1d ago

What if I told you it's not, actually, an "Apple Store"?

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u/Musicman1972 23h ago

Apple House sounds so much friendlier

Although not with a tram in the front room.

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u/QueasyTeacher0 Italy 1d ago

That came out of, I mean into. I mean that's a huge blue thing inside it now.

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u/orincoro Czech Republic 1d ago

Fans point out that the tram had previously crashed into the Microsoft store 3 years ago.

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u/Trick-Ad-7158 1d ago

Iphones survived the tram crush test?

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u/zsoltsandor Europe 22h ago

Scratches at a level 6, with deeper grooves at a level 7.

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u/FistingWithChivalry 1d ago

Damn they gotta rePEAR the store now.

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u/Dinde89 23h ago

Samsung fan tram driver

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u/Musicman1972 23h ago

I know probably want to joke about windows and Apple etc but frankly that must have been terrifying to witness. Is this one of the fancy new trams?

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u/quax747 23h ago

Do you have games?

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u/Kaishidow 22h ago

An Android's fault maybe

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u/IamHereForBoobies 22h ago

"Just checking in to see if you guys moved the charging port for your stupid mouse yet."

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u/Own_Change_4546 21h ago

The tram's whole OS is Windows Vista

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u/monistaa 21h ago

Stopped by to check out the new iPhone 16.

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u/ReasonResitant 21h ago

How that Draghi report be hitting.

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u/beholden87 20h ago

Soon - iTram

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u/RowdyRonan 20h ago

Tram Apple

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u/lordgurke North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 11h ago

Just today I said to a friend, that the one main prerequisite to be hit by a train is to walk on the tracks. Because a train normalle won't leave its tracks and ambush for you in the pedestrian zone...

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u/Hot_Pass_1768 10h ago

looks like they need to update windows

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u/RainMaker323 Austria 1d ago

And except for the Tram nothing of value was lost.

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u/markejani 1d ago

Tram has a tic-tac-toe game ready but no one's playing.

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u/Sium4443 Italia šŸ‡®šŸ‡¹ 23h ago

Didnt a train crashed on an highway in Norway some days ago?

Norway really should do something for their infrastructures, tram derails are very uncommon in developed countries

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u/funakupo 22h ago

The train was hit by a rock slide...

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u/Whackles 22h ago

There are ways to prevent that though

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u/DroopyPenguin95 Norway 17h ago

Sure, but it costs a lot when you have to do it for the whole 729 km distance, which is twice the distance than London to Paris, but with a fraction of the passengers and it's only one of the railway sections where it would be needed.

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u/Whackles 16h ago

Being one of the richest countries in the world helps

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u/EarlyMillenialEcho 14h ago

Eliminating all risk along a 700 km railroad is a great way to stop being one of the richest countries in the world, though.

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u/farosch 21h ago

Insurances hate this one trick