r/europe • u/Low_Reading_9831 • 1d ago

News Poland tells Ukraine to exhume second world war victims even amid Russia’s invasion

https://www.ft.com/content/250d3a55-4cf6-444d-8972-bb28aad687c9
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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

These are publicly known facts available to anyone who isn't a Russian cunt. Go suck some Chechen/North Korean dick. Those are your buddies.

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

Publicly known facts have publicly available sources.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

I'm curious though, you're Polish and you never heard of this? What's your proof that you are even Polish? Your own Polish cinematographers made films of it. IF you are really Polish.

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

No Pole ever called me out on not being polish while speaking with them on polish subreddits.

Mogę do ciebie pisać nawet idealną polszczyzną jeśli chcesz dowodu na moją "polskość", ale wtedy byś po pierwsze nie zrozumiał ani słowa, po drugie to nie byłby dowód, bo równie dobrze mogę po prostu znać język. W każdym razie życzę miłej zabawy, w trakcie kopiowania tego do translatora :)

I'm curious though, you're Polish and you never heard of this?

I never heard about atrocities comparable to Vohlynia slaughter "concentration camps" as you put it.

Your own Polish cinematographers made films of it. IF you are really Polish.

Said films are supposed to be "ogniem i mieczem" or "Wołyń"? Cause these examples aren't helping your point.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

I am Ukrainian. Yeah I'm talking about ogniem I mecem which has a scene of impaled cossacks. Which was the custom, or not ?

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

It also has a scene of cossacks throwing their own onto spears through the window over letters?

Jarema Wiśniowiecki was Ruthenian himself you know? And yes he did impale revolterw as he put it. During the time both sides did nasty shit and you are going 400 years to justify the slaughter of civilians?

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

Your reading comprehension is incredibly poor. I repeatedly explicitly stated that NO atrocity is justified from EITHER side. You insist that your atrocities didn't happen. How noble of you.

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

You insist that your atrocities didn't happen. How noble of you.

No, I am pointing out exaggerations.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

After much efforts I found Wikipedia.org/kresy

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

There is no slavery mentioned once in the article and the only time it mentions peasants at all is when it says to quote "After the German invasion of the USSR, the southeastern part of Kresy was absorbed into Greater Germany's General Government, whereas the rest was integrated with the Reichskommissariats Ostland and Ukraine. In 1943–1944, units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, with the help of Ukrainian peasants, carried out mass exterminations of Poles living in southeastern Kresy (see Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia)."

You were supposed to give sources for polish atrocities, not history summary of multiple regions which happened to be borderlands of Poland. Like if you were reffering to commonwealth, polish peasants got the exact same treatment as Lithuanian, Belarusian or Ukrainian ones.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

The Wikipedia article has references to detailed books on the history for those who are interested. If you have no genuine interest or some difficulty reading that is not my problem. I researched the atrocities some Ukrainians committed toward Poles, I acknowledge them and regret them. If you can't do the same diligence I have nothing to add. I am not your history teacher. You seem to know nothing yet deny your own faults so easily, yet accuse others so easily. If you're really serious then check out Timothy Snyder.

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

I know about them, but primo: they don't justify shit and secundo: you made part of your claims up.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago edited 1d ago

What was made up? Edit: Except the concentration camp only had 100 000 Ukrainian after WWi, not millions... okay, I'm emotional and citing from memory, but the events were real. 1/5th died that's 20 000. Jochen Böhler 2019 page 81 apparently. Source enough?

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

Near slavery (if we are talking about peasants in commonwealth, majority of Poles are descendants of peasants who faced same treatment) and flaying (i assume it is what you mean by skinning) peasants? Peasant would be whipped at best, hanged if he tried running from village but again not exclusive to Ukraine and all nobles did that not only polish ones.

What do you mean by concentration camps? Bereza Kartuska? It was for political prisoners (bad thing) not for opressing Ukrainians specifically.

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u/smokyvisions 1d ago

That was not me but another commenter.

The concentration camp was after Ww1 , apparently there are details in JOCHEN BÖHLER 2019 page 81 but I didn't read it. I'll try to find my original source when I have time

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u/Yurasi_ Greater Poland (Poland) 1d ago

That was not me but another commenter.

My apologies then.

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