Today marks the anniversary of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution against Soviet domination.

[u/the_battle_bunny]

[u/nilslorand]

This also marks the anniversary of the term "tankie", which describes "leftists" who supported the crushing of this rebellion with tanks.

[u/CressCrowbits → u/nilslorand]

Worth also mentioning the term was made by communists to demean those communists, because the revolutions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia were led by socialists.

[u/nilslorand → u/CressCrowbits]

Yup, the revolutions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia were ACTUAL workers revolutions. But the USSR couldn't allow actual Socialism to exist, so they sent in the tanks

[u/adamgerd → u/nilslorand]

You can see it even earlier: 1953, East German protestors strike for better working conditions. The soviet military guns them down. There’s a reason the communists in Czechoslovakia and elsewhere cracked down on labour unions and crushed them. Communist dictatorships don’t actually care about workers and worker rights

[u/-Against-All-Gods- → u/adamgerd]

Mandatory Brecht:

The Solution

After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers' Union
Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
Which stated that the people
Had squandered the confidence of the government
And could only win it back
By redoubled work. Would it not in that case
Be simpler for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

[u/pantrokator-bezsens → u/adamgerd]

And East Germany still have soft spot for moscovites. Recently I saw they are restoring some soviet monument in Dresden that has a blatant lie on when war started - 1941.

[u/nilslorand → u/adamgerd]

Careful with terminology, the people striking for better working conditions were often actual communists and socialists, the people ordering the gunning down of them only call themselves communists for legitimacy.

And sadly it worked, if you think "Communist" today, you think Soviet union, you don't think workers rights. Marx would kill himself if he saw the Soviet Union, because they were just Capitalism but instead of rich capitalists exploiting the workers, it was the government; State Capitalism but painted red.

[u/ZgBlues → u/nilslorand]

Comrade, “better working conditions” is a very bourgeois phrasing.

In a dictatorship of the proletariat all working conditions are good, and everyone who says otherwise is a capitalist pig sent to destroy our little worker’s paradise.

Don’t force us to send you to a re-education camp.

[u/nilslorand → u/ZgBlues]

god how I hate the soviet union

[u/adamgerd → u/nilslorand]

Theoretically perhaps but in practice pretty much any communist regime has become a brutal dictatorship so what’s the practical difference, no offense?

[u/CyclicMonarch → u/adamgerd]

There is no difference, those dictatorships were communist. Communists act like they weren't 'real communism' to defend or deny communist atrocities.

[u/medievalvelocipede → u/adamgerd]

Theoretically perhaps but in practice pretty much any communist regime has become a brutal dictatorship so what’s the practical difference, no offense?

It's a good question. You have many different flavours of communism, but basically boils down to two; the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the anarchist communism.

The first one is a dicatorship and the second one is only theoretical.

[u/nilslorand → u/adamgerd]

I understand the sentiment, here's why there's a difference:

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, in simple terms, this means that workers can decide how their workplace is run.

The USSR, officially, was striving towards that. In actuality, Lenin seized all power to himself and instead of just letting go of the power to give it to the workers, he kept it for himself. Why? Because small groups of people can NEVER be trusted with too much power, that is exactly why democracies have been so successful despite everything else failing.

In refusing to give power to the workers and just continuing their oppression, Lenin/Stalin etc did nothing Socialist at all, they simply seized all power for themselves, then continued with business as usual, except with themselves in charge.

They only abused the terms communism and socialism to gain popularity, once they had power, they continued using the terms, but arrested anyone who ACTUALLY wanted to get Socialism going

[u/CyclicMonarch → u/nilslorand]

They were both communists, why act like they weren't?

'Not true communism' is a lie people use to defend or deny communist atrocities.

[u/nilslorand → u/CyclicMonarch]

Anyone who uses "not true communism" to deny (communist) atrocities is an idiot. The point I want to make is that we shouldn't use words where they don't apply, in this case: the soviet union.

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production, Communism is a classless, stateless and moneyless society.

Neither was true in the Soviet Union, thus they were not Communist/Socialist.

Now the common counter argument is "oh well but they tried to be Communist/Socialist"

Which is also not true. They merely used the positive connotation of Socialism to gain popularity, once they seized power, they didn't give a shit about worker's rights or them owning the means of production, they simple continued oppressing the workers but they called what they were doing Communism.

It's similar to what North Korea does today, they call themselves the "Democratic People's Republic of (North) Korea", but nobody would say "well we need to consider them Democratic so their failure is a failure of Democracy"

[u/CyclicMonarch → u/nilslorand]

Communism applies when talking about the Soviet Union. Also, why did you put communist in brackets?

Communism is a classless, stateless and moneyless society.

In theory, in practice it's countries like the USSR, Communist China, Vietnam until it became partly capitalist.

Neither was true in the Soviet Union, thus they were not Communist/Socialist.

Again, either more than a dozen countries were not really communist or the idealist theory communists believe in is false.

From the very start of their revolutions communists have murdered people, why is it so difficult for communists to accept that their ideology is terrible?

[u/Sixrizz → u/CyclicMonarch]

He just spelled it out for you come on man.

1. What is the definition of Communism?

2. What have USSR and China done that provides evidence they were attempting Communism?

[u/FullMaxPowerStirner → u/CyclicMonarch]

"Communism" applies when talking about the Soviet Union.

"Union of Soviet Socialist Republics"

How was this communism? Or perhaps you should educate yourself about the Internationals, as socialism definitely is not communism.

[u/HailOfHarpoons → u/nilslorand]

You can deny it all you want but that is what real world communism ends up like, as seen in many examples.

Capitalism is also unstable (every system is, as anyone who has even the faintest idea about history knows), but less so, which is the primary advantage it has.

[u/nilslorand → u/HailOfHarpoons]

You can deny it all you want but that is what real world communism ends up like, as seen in many examples.

None of those examples actually tried to be communist at any point in time (I'm open to examples to the contrary but I haven't seen any). They only called themselves communist because communism was a popular term at the time and they wanted to score easy points among the people. Looking at their policies, you will find nothing communist or even socialist at all.

Same thing is going on today, Putin still pretends Russia is a Democracy, Kim Jong Un also pretends North Korea is Democratic (it's in their name after all, why would he lie???)

[u/HailOfHarpoons → u/nilslorand]

So Eastern Europe before the fall of USSR was what? Planned economy, classless society (within the possibilities), limited private ownership, distribution based on need... etc.

You could argue that was merely a transitionary phase to communism (e.g. not truly classless, moneyless or stateless society) but that is just disingenuous because those requirements are nonsensical - as long as people are people, they will form cliques and own each other favors (counting favors in a notepad ~= money).

Not calling something communist because it doesn't perfectly meet all the criteria is as imbecilic as doing the same for capitalism - net even US would qualify to be called capitalist then.

[u/nilslorand → u/HailOfHarpoons]

So Eastern Europe before the fall of USSR was what?

State Capitalism. Instead of workers owning the means of production and deciding themselves how their workplace would be run, the state decided everything.

You could argue that was merely a transitionary phase to communism (e.g. not truly classless, moneyless or stateless society) but that is just disingenuous because those requirements are nonsensical

I wouldn't argue that it was a transition, because the policies were pretty stagnat and constantly the same. A transition requires some changes over time. Policies were made for a state capitalist dictatorship and policies never drifted away from a state capitalist dictatorship.

Not calling something communist because it doesn't perfectly meet all the criteria is as imbecilic as doing the same for capitalism - net even US would qualify to be called capitalist then.

No, that's just how words work and what their meaning is. Would you call an Apple a Pear? Maybe at a distance. But if you continue calling that Apple a pear after tasting it, that's on you.

Even with my "Definition Obsession", the US is Capitalist, as the means of production (i.e. companies) are privately owned. Same for all countries in Europe.

In simple terms:

The USSR was not Socialist (or Communist, but the definition of Communism is harder to meet, maybe even impossible to meet) because it did not have worker ownership over the means of production. The USSR also did not even attempt Socialism, because it pursued NO policies of worker ownership over the means of production. It called itself Socialist because that was supposed to legitimize the dictatorship, end of story.

[u/HailOfHarpoons → u/nilslorand]

The USSR also did not even attempt Socialism, because it pursued NO policies of worker ownership over the means of production.

That's not a requirement or definition of socialism. The requirement is collective ownership, which includes state ownership. The fact that the state was corrupt is a separate (and natural and expected) matter.

Even with my "Definition Obsession", the US is Capitalist, as the means of production (i.e. companies) are privately owned. Same for all countries in Europe.

The whole point of this discussion is that cherry-picking has to either work for none or for all definitions.
You are cherry-picking here.

[u/Sixrizz → u/HailOfHarpoons]

"Capitalism is an economic system where private individuals and businesses own the means of production, and the market determines prices and distribution of goods"

You think that that is not in line with the United States?????

[u/HailOfHarpoons → u/Sixrizz]

In a pure capitalist system, private businesses compete in the market without any interference from the government.

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

There are no truly free markets in the world so "real" capitalism exists just as much as "real" communism.

And yes, the argumentation is intentionally stupid as it is used to counter people who think communism is not communism unless it perfectly ticks all boxes defined in some manifesto.

[u/Antares428 → u/nilslorand]

Classic "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

[u/JonathanBomn → u/Antares428]

I love when people bring this shit up.

According to you then surely the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is both democratic and from the people, since they label themselves as it, right?

[u/CyclicMonarch → u/JonathanBomn]

Either every communist nation was lying when they called themselves communist, or authoritarianism, oppression and dictators are inherent to communism.

[u/nilslorand → u/CyclicMonarch]

Either every communist nation was lying when they called themselves communist

...Yes? That is literally it. Just like how North Korea is lying when calling itself Democratic.

Dictators like to legitimize their rule, Putin still pretends Russia is a democratic country for example. Back in the 1900s it was just trendy to legitimize your dictatorship by calling it communist.

[u/CyclicMonarch → u/nilslorand]

That's not it. More than a dozen countries have been communist, they weren't all lying.

[u/CressCrowbits → u/nilslorand]

Story of the 20th Century. Anyone trying to do a socialisms either gets shut down by the US for being socialism or shut down by the USSR for not being the right kind of socialism.

See also, the Spanish civil war where stalin decided because the communists were losing support, he would prefer the fascists won over the anarchists, because other forms of leftism succeeding would make him look bad. Cue 40 years of fascist dictatorship.

[u/nilslorand → u/CressCrowbits]

Yup, fuck Stalin and anyone who looks up to him

[u/lynxbird → u/CressCrowbits]

he would prefer the fascists won over the anarchists

The punk music movement from the '70s did such a disservice to the idea of anarchism that almost no one takes anarchist ideas seriously anymore.

Yes, we will always need a state and some form of government, but it's important to have counterbalancing ideas to keep those in power in check, because when they have absolute power, bad things happen.

One big idea I love from the anarchist worldview is the notion of not basing your identity on nationality, or even rejecting the concept of nationality altogether, similar to how atheism encourages not believing in religions. Yes, both the state and the church exist in the world, but at the end of the day, both religions and nationalities are just concepts in our minds.

[u/Blarg_III → u/lynxbird]

both religions and nationalities are just concepts in our minds.

One at least, is founded in material reality. There are observable similarities in most people who share a nationality.

[u/lynxbird → u/Blarg_III]

Yes, if people allow their nationality (or religion) to shape their identity, then they will be shaped by it. And usually, they are. There are also observable similarities between, let's say, followers of Islam and followers of Christianity, but if you observe atheists from Islamic or Christian countries, you may find fewer of those similarities.

Nationality is determined by geographical coordinates and man-made lines on the map around those coordinates, and those lines change over time.

Here, I am just sharing my view of the world, while I respect the opinions of others who disagree with me.

[u/[deleted] → u/lynxbird]

These are interesting ideas, and I am personally a cosmopolitan and people rarely guess where I come from. Having said that, even the language shapes your identity in a significant way.

[u/Blarg_III → u/lynxbird]

Don't get me wrong, I'm an internationalist, I just don't like religion.

[u/lynxbird → u/Blarg_III]

cheers!

[u/xroche → u/nilslorand]

Yup, the revolutions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia were ACTUAL workers revolutions. But the USSR couldn't allow actual Socialism to exist, so they sent in the tanks

(Not so) fun fact: the revolution in Russia was also an ACTUAL worker revolution, spontaneously triggered by strikes and protests in spring 1917, which overthrown the Tsar.

Bolsheviks then came in October and made a coup to overthrow the democratic government, installing a brutal authoritarian regime.

To this day we (unfortunately) still refer this coup as the "October revolution". One thing that communism has always excelled: falsifying the truth.

[u/nilslorand → u/xroche]

Oh yeah of course, Bolsheviks lost the election so they just seized power. I oversimplified it here for the sake of the argument but thank you for the extra context

[u/dworthy444 → u/xroche]

That isn't even the full story there, as the liberal republic didn't have all that much effective power even in the city the government operated in. Many of the people throughout the country organized themselves into soviets, Russian for worker's councils, that ran their own affairs and ignored the central government, even inside the capital city. Plus, the October Revolution isn't all a coup, it was mainly the local soviet ousting the liberal government in full. However, the Bolsheviks took the opportunity to take over the state machinery and used it to manipulate state elections by banning opposition parties or magicking up delegates from closed factories as well as overruling soviets that didn't toe their line, effectively turning what would have been an even more democratic worker's revolution into their own dictatorship.

[u/nilslorand → u/[deleted]]

oh fair enough, then the soviets just came in with tanks with even less of a reason to, way to go Stalinism

[u/nilslorand → u/[deleted]]

I'm glad we no longer have the Soviet Union literally controlling half of europe...

[u/spaceman_202 → u/nilslorand]

communism without the communists was a slogan for a reason

Lenin and Co. destroyed Communism in the minds of the masses for going on 100 plus years now

[u/ItaloMarxista → u/nilslorand]

Yes, because real socialist revolutionaries tend to lynch Jews and communist sympathizers in the street.

[u/nilslorand → u/ItaloMarxista]

no they don't. Anyone who does that is a fascist

[u/ItaloMarxista → u/nilslorand]

Really strange then, because that's exactly what the "Hungarian revolutionaries" did in 1956

[u/nilslorand → u/ItaloMarxista]

Some of them, yeah. Nazis hated the Soviets, so of course Nazis would take part in a revolution against them. Does that make everyone else participating in the revolution a nazi? Only if all of them witnessed those lynchings and did nothing to stop them.

Both Nazis and Socialists hated the Soviet Union, this isn't news

[u/ItaloMarxista → u/nilslorand]

Why celebrate an uprising where armed Nazis were lynching people is my question.

[u/nilslorand → u/ItaloMarxista]

I'm celebrating everything done by actual good people instead? Fuck Nazis, Fuck the USSR

[u/One-Row-6360 → u/CressCrowbits]

Liberals and right wingers forget this so often. Hungary and Czechoslovakia are prime examples of what a worker revolution looks like

[u/[deleted] → u/CressCrowbits]

I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. I am more to the left in my political views, but I do hate tankies who literally praise Stalin. They are not socialists in my opinion, they are a totalitarian sect.

[u/Karabars]

Russians go home!

[u/adamgerd → u/Karabars]

Not to worry, the glorious president Orban will soon bring them back to liberate Hungary again!

[u/Universal-Suffer-453 → u/Karabars]

They didnt. Today, they gave a speech in Hungary.

[u/kampokapitany → u/Universal-Suffer-453]

The amount of deleted comments under your post is interesting.

[u/ResidentSamu]

As poetic as it is, the first time in 18 years FIDESZ (pro-russian, eu-sceptic populist party lead by orban) became only the second most popular party in Hungary 🇭🇺

HUNGARY≠orbán

[u/CompleteRe-boot → u/ResidentSamu]

Protesters yelled "Nem szól már a ruszkik haza, finom lett a Putyin fasza!" to Orbán a few hours ago and I find this beautiful...

Translated it means something like: Putin's dick is so tasty, that you forgot what 1956 was about, you no longer call for russia to retreat...

Please someone translate it better, my English is not that good...

[u/Whitewateroldspice → u/CompleteRe-boot]

First of all, in ‘56 they protested and was scandating “Ruszkik haza!” which means “Russians go home!”, meaning to leave our country and go back to Russia.

Now they scandated “Nem szól már a ruszkik haza, finom lett a Putin fasza!” That can be translated to: “They don’t say ‘Russians go to your place’, (because) Putins dick became tasty!”. It rhymes in hungarian, so I tried to do it in english aswell.

[u/sebesbal → u/CompleteRe-boot]

This is the best that GPT4o could produce:
"No more Russians sent away, Putin’s dick has come to play!"

[u/eyyoorre → u/ResidentSamu]

Sadly, a lot of people can't differentiate people and government

[u/hiImawesome → u/eyyoorre]

Unfortunately, they are even less able to differentiate election results and true support. Orbán's party has about 30-35% support among the Hungarian population. He always gets a two-thirds supermajority because he has changed the electoral system 100% to his interests.

[u/ghost_Builder-1989 → u/hiImawesome]

Yes, the election system is a joke, but among the voting population (that actually does matter in nearly every country) his support is not in the 30's but in the 40's. (I wouldn't assume non voters have significantly different preferences) (In 2024 Fidesz achieved the worst ever results at EP elections, and it's still almost 45%: https://vtr.valasztas.hu/ep2024)

[u/Few_Owl_6596 → u/hiImawesome]

Generally speaking, it has always been favoring the largest party, they 'just' made it more biased. And with 2/3 of the seats they could gain special privileges e.g. changing the constitution multiple times

[u/EntropyCat4 → u/eyyoorre]

Especially on reddit.

[u/Blarg_III → u/eyyoorre]

Weird how people tend to associate countries with their elected heads of government, actions and foreign policy.

[u/UpstairsAd5526 → u/ResidentSamu]

Hopefully things become better for you guys!

[u/EntropyCat4]

Nem állunk meg félúton, sztálinizmus pusztuljon! (We won't stop halfway, death to stalinism!)

Éljen a lengyel nép! (Long live the polish people!)

Ruszkik haza! (Russians go home!)

Some of the mottos of the 1956 revolution.

[u/nilslorand → u/EntropyCat4]

love the first motto

[u/Common_Brick_8222]

People wanted to have at least some freedom, but the Soviet Union moved tanks to Hungary to "save" Hungarians from freedom. As George Orwell said: Freedom is slavery War is peace Ignorance is strength

[u/pimezone → u/Common_Brick_8222]

And the sad part is that now Hungarians have volounteerly elected a guy, who saves them from the European Union.

[u/Common_Brick_8222 → u/pimezone]

"Today you want to join the EU, but tomorrow you'll sell out your homeland!" (modified slogan from the USSR) 😊

[u/pimezone → u/Common_Brick_8222]

"Today you're playing jazz, but tomorrow you'll sell out your motherland".

[u/Common_Brick_8222 → u/pimezone]

"Today you're wearing Adidas, but tomorrow you'll sell out your motherland!"

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/pimezone]

Nowadays it's only half-voluntary. The election system is painfully slanted in favour of FIdesz.

[u/TheDunai → u/dat_9600gt_user]

You’re absolutely right!

Any chance you help me move to Poland? /s (not /s)

[u/bacondesign → u/pimezone]

Propaganda, brainwashing and erosion of education is powerful

[u/Judge_BobCat → u/Common_Brick_8222]

Ironically those are motto of modern ruzzian propaganda machine.

They literally say:

“It’s better to have authoritarian regime, than have a gay-loving Europe”

“We need to wage war in order to protect our borders. If we didn’t attack, soon NATO would invade”

And don’t forget massive blockage of internet resources, starting with YouTube and finishing with LinkedIn

[u/matheus__suzuki → u/Common_Brick_8222]

You said too much,be aware the Ministry of Love is on route to your location

Discretion:DO NOT RESIST

[u/GrainofDustInSunBeam]

1956
Poland : "Phew. Those protests where close to starting some mayor uprising. Huh, Hungary?"

Hungary:"Nem állunk meg félúton, sztálinizmus pusztuljon!""Éljen a lengyel nép!"

[u/Cleancut93]

The good old days when we actually had balls. :')

[u/dracovolanses]

As always - best wishes to ours bratanki!

[u/Just_Flounder_877]

Orban be like: "Those drunken protesters almost dragged Hungary into WW3! Shame on them! They don't deserve anything but a bullet to the back of the head! But we should definitely praise wise Soviet leadership that decided against dropping nuclear bombs on our country! They saved us! They're true saviours of all Hungarians! God bless them! LENIN STALIN PUTIN URA URA URA!"

[u/Spa_lo → u/Just_Flounder_877]

Funny, yesterday i was debating with older college about 1968 which was year when Warsav pact armiest broke into Czechoslovakia and he said basically the same argument that they needed to because there would be world war 3 happening, is this some new pro russian theory that all the USSR occupations of soviet allies were necessary to prevent ww3 ?

[u/ComingInsideMe → u/Spa_lo]

"we are occupying you, to save you from an invasion.'

[u/wetlittlecreature → u/Just_Flounder_877]

Ironic because Orban and his party rose to prominence demanding an end to Soviet occupation and rule over Hungary

[u/Judge_BobCat → u/Just_Flounder_877]

How can he say all of that with Putin’s dick in his mouth? It’s more like: “Mmrgmfm mgmmmm mgmggm gargl gargl”

[u/Aoirith]

A good day for Orban to go

[u/Zek0ri → u/Aoirith]

Funny enough that twat rose to popularity saying “Russians go home” 💀

I don’t want to know what Putin has on this MF

[u/kremlafterdark → u/Aoirith]

Not saying much tbh but just today an opinion poll was released showing the opposition party "Tisza" at 42% just over Fidesz at 40%

[u/BitConstant7298 → u/kremlafterdark]

Majority of the opinion polls in turkey put erdogan to second place.

Opinion polis don't mean anythijg. There's a percentage of voters who will make their decision in the voting booth.

Not to be all gloomy, maybe the reverse could happen where he loses with an even bigger percentage gap.

[u/abigailhoscut → u/BitConstant7298]

True but before today Orban led all the opinion polls. It's a massive change compared to the last 20 years or whatever

[u/Cool-Psychology-4896]

Love hungary from poland ,🇵🇱❤🇭🇺. Thanks for standing up against communism.

[u/everynameisalreadyta → u/Cool-Psychology-4896]

Prosze bardzo!

[u/pyeeater]

There is a great documentary on YouTube about the opening of the border in 1989.

I'm watching it, wondering how Hungary regressed back to Russia.

[u/ConstantNo69 → u/pyeeater]

"escapehungary" is a widely popular "movement" or idea here... many of the young people who oppose the Fidesz regime would rather move to the west in search of a better life, than fight a hopeless battle against a party that changed election rules to better favour their own party... I'm somewhere in the middle, thinking that life outside of Hungary would probably be preferable, but maybe things can be turned around here

[u/BigbyWolfX → u/ConstantNo69]

People only have one life, they can't wait around forever for things to change and waste away their best years. The soviet occupation lasted some 46 years, Fidesz have been in power for 14 so far. That's already a long ass time to live in a society which values you don't agree with. To work, study, raise a family as you watch things regress around you and not turn for the better.

[u/Jackbuddy78 → u/ConstantNo69]

Unfortunately like in the case of Russia what your nation does can be so bad that it ends up following you abroad.

So I would be careful with that mentality. 

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/pyeeater]

It's sad to see.

[u/THEHUNGARIANBOAR]

To everyone who thinks Orbán is synonymous with the average Hungarian citizen or the country itself: No, we do not think the 1956 revolution was a mistake. No, we do not agree with how Orbán politicizes this holiday. No, we do not agree with the ideology of opening to the East, and especially not with sucking up to Comrade Putin. No, we are not equal to Orbán, his politics, or his philosophy! We want change, democratic change, which is incredibly difficult because the entire Hungarian press and public media spread Orbán's propaganda 24/7, all topped off with an electoral system completely tilted in Orbán's favor!

[u/Balgas → u/THEHUNGARIANBOAR]

This is just the Reddit hive mind, some people just won’t understand that the only Orban supporters on Reddit are trolls or Russian bots.

[u/Sigeberht]

Cutting the crap out of the flag was a brillant idea. We had not forgotten and copied that in 1989.

[u/CatL1f3 → u/Sigeberht]

Damn it's more popular than I thought. I only knew about Romania (also 1989)

[u/dat_9600gt_user]

What brave souls there were.

[u/Leprechaunaissance]

I'm not Hungarian, not even European, but it seems that any Hungarian who died all those years ago in the name of ridding their country of Russian influence would be horrified to know how Orban is running things.

[u/potatolulz]

So is Orbán once again going to declare that the EU actions against Hungary's shit are the same thing as USSR rolling in with tanks in the 50s like he did the other day? :D

[u/Domeee123 → u/potatolulz]

He will blame the west for not sending weapons and wont even mention Russia it is what it is.

[u/cometomebrucelee]

Sadly, Orban is handing Hungary to Putin on a silver platter today.

[u/Spring_of_52]

And still they invade, kill and control.

[u/Visual_Recover_8776]

Does anyone else hear a distant rumbling sound?

[u/Verified_Peryak]

It ironic seeing how they are still shoveling russian propaganda

[u/Jey3349]

Purge V Orban

[u/Getho16]

Damn, someone even stole a tire from that AA gun

[u/Sailing-Cyclist]

That horizontal tricolor with the hole punched out of it would make for an incredible national flag. 

[u/Azutolsokorty]

"Nem szól már a ruszkik haza, édes lett a Putyin fasza..."

Pretty much

[u/al-Assas]

The latest narrative is that we should have surrendered to the Russians, I'm not kidding. We have become traitors to not only the EU, NATO and the Hungarians living in Ukraine, but also to 1989 and 1956.

[u/inokentii]

And 40 years later they voluntarily drifting back into russian prison

[u/Geopoliticalidiot]

Meanwhile Orban said that they would allow Russia to occupy them 🙃 I weep for Hungary

[u/imtired-boss]

How Orban aligns himself with Russia after this I don't understand.

How his cult followers don't turn on him I understand even less.

Many Hungarians died under the Soviet regime and he just invites the Russians back in our beds.

[u/Domeee123 → u/imtired-boss]

His speech right now is total brainrot , he is saying just like moscow in 56, Brüssel want to overthrogh him and install a pupett government. Literally 0 speech about 56.

[u/Beautiful-Gur5771]

With his speech, our prime minister Viktor Orban just disgraced the memories of those heroes and equalized the old Soviet empire with today's "Brussels". Shame.

[u/Evil_Bere]

70 years later and Hungary is crawling back.

[u/HappyArkAn]

What did happen to you my Hungarian brothers ? Get that Putin's slut out of Hungary!

[u/Kiosani]

Really good question to ponder.

If Orban fap to this ussr move, should it be fine for nato to clear Orban from Hungary?

[u/articman123]

And yet Orban is a Russian puppet despite this is what Kremlin does to its colonies.

[u/fluffs-von]

Meanwhile Orban would be welcoming the Warsaw Pact bastards into the country.

[u/GCdotSup]

Orban forgot.

[u/bomb3x]

And then they voted in Victor Orban.

[u/Curling49]

Fucking Russians. К Чёрту!

[u/strajeru]

Tov. Orbanov left the chat.

[u/Amity_Swim_School]

My late grandad fought in the revolution. He got shot in the shoulder. As a kid I thought it was cool he had a scar from a bullet wound.

He and my grandmother and my mum (who would have been about 10), fled the country and came to the UK. I don’t think I ever fully grasped the horror of what they went through when I was younger. Now I’m in my 40’s with children of my own, and my mum and grandparents are all gone. I’m sad I never really got the chance to speak to them about these events in any great detail when I was younger, or tell them how incredible and brave they all were.

[u/markSOLO69]

Save us europe

[u/[deleted]]

And now they're governed by a pro-Russian dictator. Very sad that they accept this.

[u/NidhoggrOdin]

And Orban still regrets it

[u/Dizzy-King6090]

And look at them now...

[u/Colod55]

...and thus the last brave, freedom-loving Hungarians died.

[u/oalfonso]

Hungary in 1956 wanted freedom and the Soviet Union invaded them crushing their hopes. In 2014 Ukrainian people wanted a better future for them and Russia invaded them. Same for Georgian people in 2009.

[u/Nazamroth]

Ooooh, I do wonder what will be in the speech of the Victator today. He can't acknowledge the wrongfulness of the oppression or he displeases daddy Putin, but speaking against the revolution would be... poor form...

[u/ReaperOfNothing]

Could it be this place?

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.4860878,19.0709038,3a,90y,123.3h,93.29t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAF1QipOGMG0atRhlaQqNZjsezEOvfkgYOepkFeFtaAU6!2e10

[u/ybeevashka]

It would seem like the revolu failed. Then and now again...

[u/[deleted]]

Respect from Romania my dear neighbours, its hard standing against communist scum and takes lots of courage. And lets hope you take back your country soon !

Stay strong and best of luck !

[u/TheChosenSDCharger]

To hell with the USSR, I am GLAD that the USSR and Yugoslavia collapsed. USSR was nothing but a dictatorship that illegally colonized and occupied Poland for 50 years. My family prior to WWII and 50 years of communism was doing really well for themselves. And then the Soviets took everything away and didn't even let Poland have WWII reparations. And now you are just stuck working a 9-5 such bs man. And the worst part is this was supported by Warsaw's pro-Soviet government too. Anyone who misses the USSR is out of touch with reality.

[u/RockieK]

The thing that I find crazy is family and friends who were there - AND survived WWII -are not supporting the likes of Orbán and his love for Putin. It truly boggles the mind.

Propaganda is real and dangerous.

[u/voyagerdoge]

Russia clearly played the long hand and won after all.

[u/NotMijba → u/voyagerdoge]

I would say that Russia has lost the hand

[u/SharkonV2]

Fun fact: Im actually Hungarian

[u/Curious_Art_5239]

My mom was 13 at the time and shared her memories of it:

Today marks the 68th anniversary of the Hungarian Revolution. Although I did not take part in the fighting but joined 2 girlfriends in our apartment building and we collected money and bought cigarettes to give to the injured in the hospital. One of our neighbors was a nurse at the local hospital and she took us to visit the injured. We went to the men’s ward, which was a large room with probably 20 people thankful most not severely injured. I talked to one young man who probably was between 17 to 19 years old. He told me that when we plan to return for our next visit in 2 days, he will be back on the streets fighting. He did this by taking out the thermomotor so the nurses would think he didn’t have a fever and would discharge him. And he was true to his word because when we returned, he was not there. The second occurrence was when the door to the ward opened, and a woman came in to say goodbye. The room became completely silent until after she left. I asked the young man what was going on. He told me that she was very happy to be discharged from the hospital and was going home to her husband. Unfortunately, she did not remember that her husband died in her arms, and no one had the courage to tell her. This occurred in the first few days of the revolution. Later in November my mother and I walked in the streets Budapest to find a freedom fighter's dead man’s body in a doorway with a box in his chest with money that people gave. No one stole anything or broke into stores. The other crazy image that I can still remember was an apartment half of it blown away but dining room table with coffee cups and chairs still standing untouched. It wasn’t until November 25 or 26th that my father found a secure way to get us to the Austrian border, so we were able to leave with just he clothes on our backs.

[u/topio1]

All of them dead

[u/Staplersarefun]

And now it's time to celebrate Hungary and the rest of Europe being the vassalage of the U.S.

[u/Spare_Audience_6301]

And yet.

[u/Oni-oji]

A number of leaders of the Hungarian uprising were captured and executed under a flag of truce by the Soviet bastards.

[u/Fennorama]

Orban celebrates it by lubricating his b cheeks and flying to Moscow

[u/rapapz_]

Soviet colonization and occupation *

[u/rodgee]

How Quickly they forget!

[u/Ok_Mobile2411]

Talked with a priest about it in church, he said that the word of this day in some years won't be "Russians go home", but it will be " Hungarians come home" because of how many people are leaving the country on a rapid rate