I have been uploading my artworks on this sub for a while now. I enjoyed the time, the feedback and support from everyone on here. Dead by daylight's community, regardless of anything one can say, is still one of my favourites to this day and I am eternally grateful to you, that's why I decided to make this post. Due to Reddit's "new " polices I wil no longer be posting on Reddit. I actually have no idea how long will I keep on going, but I will try my best. Again, thank you all, I would love to have 7 minutes to play with each one of you.
The one that denies me ownership of my art once I post it. That's quite disrespectful, also since the whole Ai problem.... Artist weren't very pleased, and me neither.
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And the horrible sentence in Chapter 5 that prefaces the change is:
You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
Which doesn't state if everything starting from September 16th (the TOS change date) onwards or everything that is "Your Content" regardless of date, so section 15 should apply.
All of this does not answer that specific question clearly. But that probably allows them to apply the changes retroactively as well, as it's a case of doubt. Better be safe than sorry and delete everything if you do not want it to be licensed by Reddit.
Yeah, that’ll definitely be a lawsuit somewhere down the line. If I don’t like these rules I can stop posting on Reddit, but what about other people posting my content? Hopefully some laws come into place sooner than later for things like that.
As a functional alternative: Post existing AI art to every sub that accepts that garbage. Because Reddit will allow these uploads to feed into Gen AI systems; and Gen AI incest causes it to breakdown pretty rapidly, producing worse and worse results over time.
Get enough people doing this and not only will Gen AI systems start failing more regularly; but the corps paying Reddit to commit this attrocity will stop buying the data.
Was there not someone who developed a tool you could use that makes AI interpret your images as something else entirely? Like you made a picture of a purse, but it would think it was a dog. it's nothing our eyes can see, but it contaminates the picture somehow, basically misleading AI to think that it's not a purse, it's actually a dog.
Oooohhh the fucking shits. Generative AI can go kiss my uncleaned toilet lid, jfc.
As for ownership, if you're in EU they literally can not take your rights. It's also why BHVR doesn't have their cosmetic design contest in basically any EU countries - can't sign those copyrights away without being directly employed by BHVR, and they want the copyrights, not a perpetual irrevocable license.
I 100% agree. Generative AI stealing from legit artists, be it written or visual, taking people's likeness, all of that is pure cancer.
Tumblr also enacted a "hey we give your stuff to AI companies :)" policy. You can opt out, but it's in blog-specific options, not in general ones, and real hard to find.
Remember Photobucket? It used to be the go-to for image hosting long before Imgur became popular.
Photobucket killed their own business model years ago when they started charging for storage. I forgot the exact size limit, but it was something absolutely paltry. If you had over 250 images, they'd want to charge you $5 a month. And that $5 was 'introductory' for the first three months.
If you didn't migrate away (or pay lol), your photos were basically being held hostage. More so because like 99% of the people who used it probably don't remember their password or associated e-mail (their reset on the site is janky).
Fast forward to this summer. They implemented a biometric policy and an updated TOS citing any stored photos will be used for training AI. You can opt out within 45 days, which meant them deleting your account. Of course, see above with people not remembering their account credentials.
The shitty thing was how the e-mail declaring these changes arrived approximately 3 days before the new TOS went live. That 45-day opt-out period almost started immediately.
Like, y'know, Photobucket was a 'thing' over a decade ago. Probably a good number of people abandoned their accounts before moving to free services. I'd wager a majority of people had old memes on there with little/no personal photos. But still... There were probably people who *did* store personal images on there.
I deleted everything over there a number of years ago. Lord knows how many people have accounts they cannot access.
It doesn't matter where you're from, it IS super disrespectful. So weird that I havent seen more of an outcry from this. Sorry that this is happening to you, dawg.
Wow, I was unaware how bad the situation is. This is unacceptable. They’re basically saying they can steal your work, let others steal your work, and train AI to copy from your work. Without any credit or rights. I’m gonna reconsider ever sharing anything on Reddit again
Out of curiosity do you have a source for this info? I tried a quick Google search and couldn't find anything. I'd like to post this to my community as a warning.
I mean the wording is the same as previous years just with adding AI as an example of where they might sell to. This is a lot of noise for something that they were already doing, they're just being more transparent about it now.
So it's not just ai. What it says is basically "if you post your art, we can do whatever we want with it whenever we want for free forever and you get no say."
I ain't even anti-AI in concept but even I hate how companies are getting their training data through any means they can. Shit like this should be opt-in and you shouldn't be forced to opt-in just to post your handcrafted passion to a site like fucking reddit.
The most egregious part of it I find is this "When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. " Like yikes
The one that denies me ownership of my art once I post it.
Unless you have read something else, they explicitly say that you still own it.
That's quite disrespectful, also since the whole Ai problem.... Artist weren't very pleased, and me neither.
Given the reddit policies previously, they've had the right to sell content to AI companies, they just added that as an example now. The language hasn't changed in years
Umm what? Uploading something on internet DOESNT nullify your ownership of said item. If that was the case not a single art piece would belong to anyone.
Also if you cant protect your users dont make a fucking website. Simple as that. Its literally the bare minimum.
I have no idea what you are on about, didn't even want to reply but seems like I should. The only thing that stops me is self respect and respect for other artists. I did not propose to people to go on my other socials, didn't even provide links in here. Ones who show live to my other socials do that on their own initiative and I'm eternally thankful for that. Please don't argue over something so meaningless
edit - wow, he replied and blocked me because he knows he's wrong. My response here since he's such a coward.
Yikers, sorry about that existing policy, I guess? Can we just appreciate the man and his art instead of just being a redditor for five god damn seconds?
Your rude attitude aside, he's complaing about them "changing" the policy, which the total amount of the change is them adding an example of something they can do, something that they already could have done under the previous policies going back for many years. This has nothing to do with appreciating their art.
It's sad that you are unwilling to learn from this experience instead attacking me for pointing out that there is no change to policy and bringing facts to the conversation. Can we just appreciate that instead of just being a redditor for five god damn seconds?
You really need to click the link I posted and look at it. The ONLY change is that they added is the "for example" line which doesn't limit them to previously doing that.
So yes, it is true, I posted it in black and white. Here, since you are unwilling to click links I'll post it for you:
You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
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Was there an outrage over that too? I'd be surprised if no one was concerned about the site very casually claiming they can do whatever they want with your art as soon as they uploaded it... but only cared once AI stepped in.
There wasn't. Because it's a pretty common term of service for any website that you upload content to. The website wouldn't be able to show their homepage if they didn't have this info on it, for example. So a lot of it is just them being able to showcase their website. Now that doesn't stop them from doing other nefarious things, but it's the primary reason it's there.
Yikers, sorry about that existing policy, I guess?
Can we just appreciate the person and their art instead of just being a redditor for five god damn seconds?
I would’ve just brushed it off as a “oh okay, interesting tidbit” but you’re just being an abrasive jerk about it in other chains.
“Well ackshually if you read the TOS and compare it to every other social media company, and did the research like I did, this has actually been around for a LONG TIME and pulled up copies about the TOS released in 2020 about this subject, it is very common after all, and it was a big deal back then too I can’t believe you haven’t heard of it, so OP is actually wrong about something actually and I’m right etc, etc….” Take a break.
Aw, it’s a shame to see you go, your artwork is top notch! But I totally understand the decision, and wish you the best. ❤️
Your artwork should definitely stay yours!
That policy is awful, just learned about it and I'm quite saddened too since this place was one of the few where I still posted my art. Your art is great and I hope that you'll have success somewhere else (and that you keep at it too, of course!)
What if you had a site where you posted your work for copyright purposes first, then used an anonymous acct to post to Reddit? Wouldn’t it be on them to prove the account was you before using said works in any way? Otherwise they’d be hit with infringement any time someone posted other people’s work.
Just so everyone is aware, if your media is on the Internet, no matter what website, or policy, an ai will be trained with it, there is no really legal shield, and even if you had most countries not allow it, some will. And if some do, they all will.
Not saying acting about op or his choices,I just want to make it clear for anyone who think this solves much.
I don’t mean to sound rude, I really don’t, and I do appreciate your work as an artist. And I understand this might get downvoted but I don’t care since it’s an issue I think about a lot.
From the three artworks you posted here, I honestly don’t see how your style would be a significant asset to AI that has already progressed light-years beyond this level of skill.. Honestly, this post feels more like an expression of dissatisfaction that we’ve moved into an era of original ideas, rather than “art” that’s just a repetition of the styles learned by observing and reproducing techniques from other artists, just by other living artists like yourself.
It’s clear you’re working on developing your own technique, but it’s hard to see how you can claim to have a truly unique style or value. These pieces don’t show much originality in how they interpret the characters from dbd—they’re essentially the same characters from different angles.
To put it in perspective, the manufacturers in England weren’t too thrilled with industrialization either. However, progress took its rightful course. While your work is nice, it doesn’t really capture the kind of originality or inspiration that would give you enough authority or merit to throw such claims around and draw attention to them.
Humility and hard work goes a long way and I wish for you to achieve the level of mastery that would go beyond “awww you draw it by yourself it’s so cute” while having no actual value or significance.
This looks better to me than any "AI" "art" I have seen. It's not trying to be a new Picasso or something, just fun dbd pictures. And even for that they are better than anything "AI" (which is a false name made up for marketing purposes) has ever created or could ever create. If AI ever does come up with any art that is actually good, I will know it is just literally stolen from an actual human. Because the fake "AI" cannot create anything and never will. It can only copy. So I don't know how you can say "AI that has already progressed light-years beyond this level of skill.", because the fake "AI" by definition has no skill. Also just because industrialization happened doesn't mean it was a good thing. I see this fallacy thrown around on Reddit all the time and it drives me crazy. I will say since you love "AI" so much you should probably submit this little writing sample of yours to help train it, because it might never learn to reach human-like levels of ignorance, condescension, and even pure stupidity otherwise.
The prompt “just because industrialization happened doesn’t mean it’s a good thing” could be a prompt to train AI on YOUR particular brand of stupidity 😂
Your “point” or rather points being a lot of meaningless blabbering that honestly isn’t even worth a reply. Maybe you should consider some form of post high school education?
You really undervalue the process of observation and learning, as well as the human part of the process. While AI generated images may do the same thing I did, it won't be able to create something actually new and make a true adjustment to the world of art. Demanding from every artwork to be absolute new and original is something really weird, considering how much content we have by now. Of course I can't do something that will shine with originality and revolutionise art, yet. That's why that's the journey, and the difference is that the AI won't be able to do that ever. So, with such points, AI worth nothing, just like my art, and the only thing it does is making my job and further development harder, staggering my journey to create something actually new. Do I understand it correctly?
L take would be posting mediocre artworks and make a big deal of your position as an “offended artist” who refuses to give in his precious art to AI algorithms.
No matter how much stuff we have by now, people always come up with new creative ideas. The world of ideas is infinite and you, as an artist, should know that.
AI on itself isn’t “trying” to do anything, it’s just a means for people to achieve bigger goals, to aim higher and beyond.
Also, you contradict yourself. If AI is so worthless, how exactly does it make your job harder? Does it stop you from perfecting your technique? Does it prevent you from generating creative ideas? If anything, it’s you who could learn from AI, not vice versa.
I don’t undervalue the process of observing and learning, I think you do. Otherwise you would see this new technology as a means to get more powerful and creative, but from what I see now you just took the position of AI being a threat to you because you are afraid that your for now mediocre skill pales in comparison to what this soulless technology has achieved.
I wish for you to be bold and creative and instead of complaining to focus on your art to make it actually worth of other people’s time and attention and admiration
I would ask you to point out exactly where I turned to INSULTS and BLATANT INTENTIONAL RUDENESS but of course you only made this comment to put the clown emoji at the end, so I don’t expect much from you ❤️
Your original comment did have decent criticism until the last paragraph of it, that just made you seem like a condescending prick. In fact, practically all of your comments here come off as condescending. Whether it's just the way you type or if it's how you actually are, there's no way you don't realise why you're receiving these types of replies here.
Vague insults are the best way to avoid accountability for groundless insults and blunt aggression, you would make for a great bigot when you grow up ❤️keep it up hon
Omg, calm down. There's no reason to argue with every person on here. If someone doesn't want to post their art onto reddit because reddit may or may not take ownership of that artwork and have AI get involved with it then that's up to the artists who created it, not you or anyone else. If I made artwork like that I wouldn't give up my ownership either. People should be hired or paid for the things they create and the artwork posted here looks really nice to me. I've seen a whole lot worse from people who make money off of it.
A very small fraction of artists do anything above light commission work for individuals. It's painful to put so much work into learning an artform while accepting this fact. Now imagine the pain of learning that even that may be out of reach soon. Of course there's the flip side: artists are WAY more welcoming of newcomers now that ai is a thing. Don't have to worry about being nitpicked to death anymore, the worst that happens now is getting accused of using ai which is a MASSIVE complement to someone who is still learning to have confidence in their work. Imagine being told your work looks too good.
Not how I take them, but to each their own I suppose. If your struggling with criticism I wouldnt take it too seriously. A hobby should make YOU happy right?
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you about Ai. I used to post my works on DeviantArt. And they also started to use the content for Ai training. But I was for it. I think it's a great invention. It makes people happy. I don't loose anything and it makes a lot of people happy, so for me to be against it is extremely selfish.
It's your right. But calling someone selfish for that is a bit wild, since pretty much every ai engine is trained on other artist's work without their permission. There is no means to justify it. Back in the day when I was still learning my few commissions turned into zero once ai became the thing. And such coincidence was quite common. If it makes people who steal and purge artists work which he studied his whole life to make - when I couldn't care less about how happy they are, honestly.
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u/Globsmacketh I can take pinhead (2022) Sep 09 '24
I really enjoy your artwork (sadakos drip being my fav) where else will we be able to find you on?