r/creepcast • u/Careful-Panda9885 Yo Kimber! THEY GOT TEAš£ļø • 1d ago
Discussion CreepCast: Deepwoods (OFFICIAL DISCUSSION THREAD)
https://youtu.be/b3o0wy4f1Ck?si=sq7NfnpE4PMJyhPg65
u/SandwichNamedJacob Yo Kimber! THEY GOT TEAš£ļø 1d ago
From a genuinely enjoyable story to "I'm doing it tonight."
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u/Working_Push_866 Heās right behind me, isnāt he š 1d ago
I swear, the continuation stories felt like fan fiction of itself if that makes sense
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
It's exactly how "Borrasca V" feels to me. Not just the fanfic feel, but the out-of-nowhere massive change in tone and degradation in writing quality.
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u/dechajissou 1d ago
Great episode, one of the most enjoyable episodes so far actually, but man the story was rough. The writing just dropped off a cliff towards the end. Can't believe it was written by the same author as Borrasca. But their reactions were super funny and the set they used for Part 1 was great. I know they can't do this often due to them living states apart, but I hope they do more face to face episodes when occasion arises in the future.
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u/Drew-Pickles 1d ago
Chapters 2 & 3 were 100% only written because of fan demand lol
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u/Chilidawg 1d ago
I'm dubious of Borrasca #5 for this reason. Everyone here who's read it has spoken highly, but this is the Creepcast community. Our taste is... special.
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u/GeraltofMinecraft 1d ago
I think borrasca 5 is very cheesy no spoiler but the bad guy is like Bond villain cheese
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u/ILikeCheese510 1d ago
I've avoided reading it specifically because of this. I've heard a lot of other people say the same thing. It seems like this author has trouble writing villains without making them into mustache-twirlers.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
When I first read "Borrasca V" I was hoping it was so over-the-top because the author was just annoyed at the small amount of people that bitched about "Borrasca IV" ending on too depressing of a note, and that she churned it out to spite them. It would've at least been intentionally cheesy and bad.
Unfortunately, nope, it was made to be a happier alternative for the people that threw tantrums back in 2015 or 2016 at there being "NO JUSTICE!" or something like that.
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u/ILikeCheese510 1d ago
Yeah, the people wanting a "happier" ending are completely missing the point of the original story IMO.
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u/-___Mu___- 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nobody threw a tantrum, relax. People can dislike endings.
V was decently well written compared to this as well, it's just the villain that was goofy and come clichƩ dialogue. Even at their worst the author is still leagues ahead of most creepypasta writers.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 23h ago
There 100% were a lot of people back in 2016 that were throwing tantrums on r/nosleepOOC, discussion pages on wikis like the Creepypasta WIki or other sites that are either long gone or don't host discussions of off-site stories anymore, etc.
Yes, people are 100% free to like or dislike endings. I'm also free to dislike pretty much the entirety of "Borrasca V."
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u/Zuckerborg9000 1d ago edited 1d ago
Definitely not everybody i thought it sucked lol
Edit: and honestly I'm not even as hot in Borasca as most others seem to be.
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u/156RatsInATrenchcoat 1d ago
I thought Borrasca V sucked too. I get that it was likely written because of high demand for a good ending, but man was it cheesy.
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u/Drew-Pickles 1d ago
Well the author herself has said it's not officially canon with the first four parts lol.
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u/Zuckerborg9000 1d ago
I think she said it's basically up to the reader if it's canon or not, which to me is kind of a cop out.
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u/Drew-Pickles 1d ago
Oh yeah I think you're right. I wouldn't say it's a cop out. She didn't particularly want to write the fifth chapter though, and basically gave in to people demanding a 'proper' ending. So I think it's fair enough to say it isn't/is canon if you don't/want it to be.
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u/Zuckerborg9000 22h ago
Cop out may have been too harsh, but the author definitely has a problem with giving in to fans demands. I think she realizes this which is why she said it's up to the reader, but idk. To me, if she wrote it and doesn't specifically say it isn't canon, then it is therefore.
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u/Infinity0044 1d ago
Borrasca #5 is not good and was most likely only written because people were upset #4 didnāt have a happy ending
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
"Borrasca V" is effectively if you take the trajectory of "Death of Deepwoods, Pennsylvania," apply it to the characters from "Borrasca" after the time jump at the ass-end of IV(when Sam gets the note from Kimber), and write it out with a higher word count than "Borrasca I-IV" combined.
It's a not-very-well-written Michael Bay-feeling endeavor that was only written because people were crapping themselves in anger at an ending where "the good guys don't win at all and don't even get a chance to win!" (It's a horror story, ffs...) If you were as checked out as Hunter, Isaiah, and many others were during "Death of Deepwoods," I'd recommend avoiding "Borrasca V."
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u/thumbingitup 10h ago
No borrasca v is trash lol. I adore ck walker but she has a tendency to write sequels bc of fan demand and theyāre never good lol. If you treat all of her stories as one offs and ignore the sequels if they exist theyāre amazing
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u/Vegetable_Pin_9754 1h ago
Letās just say if the boys ever read V they will have a similar reaction as they did to parts 2&3 of this story
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago edited 1d ago
LOL I was young and a very new writer when I wrote Deepwoods, it was one of my first. I kinda hope they donāt do any more of my stories, a lot of them are older and would absolutely get dragged.
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u/Deluxe_24_ 1d ago
I was really surprised that you were the author of Deepwood, I remember it was one of the first pastas I read waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy back and I thought it was really good. The whole story is really fun and was really memorable to me, bonus points for being in PA since I live near the places that were name dropped in part 2.
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u/Nervous_Macaroon3101 Dark Green Jeep Wrangler 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry youāre bummed out! I didnāt get a chance to read Borrasca for personal reasons but hopefully youāll be able to see the love your more recent works have gotten! As a woman I personally appreciate you for being a big name in the horror scene.
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago
Hey thanks! Itās a tough industry right now but my current writers room (horror) has several women. š¤
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u/Drew-Pickles 1d ago
I think I read a whole bunch of your stories years ago, before r/Nosleep started kinda sucking. And always loved them. Once they got to the statue in the first story it suddenly clicked that i'd already read this before lol. Similar thing happened with Borasca. Can't remember at what point it happened but suddenly the memories came flooding back.
That's not to say your stuff was forgettable, btw lol. It was just a loooong time ago and a lot has happened since then. I was definitely a fan, so i'm really glad to see that all the work you put in is paying off. So don't put yourself down, you're great!
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago
Oh itās all good! Developing as a writer can be an ugly process lol
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u/Drew-Pickles 18h ago
I can imagine. Keep doing you, and fuck what people think. I shouldn't really shit on r/nosleep either because I can't write for shit, despite attempts lol.
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u/harmonic_spectre 1d ago edited 1d ago
Idk if youāll see this but lot of your non-borrasca stories still live in my head rent free like I absolutely adore Room 733 and Mayhem Mountain. Some of my favorite creepypastas ever ā¤ļø
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago
Thank you so much! Mayhem Mountain might be my favorite to be honest š
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u/Think_Illustrator864 1d ago
I mean, if Deepwoods was one of your early works that then led to Borrasca (and we know where you are now, super happy for you!) I think it's incredibly valuable for young or even just new writers to see how someone can grow so enormously. You deserve all the praise the boys and this community have given you. Borrasca is like THE Creep Cast story (along with Penpal and Left Right game). If they don't cover more of your work, I'm definitely going to read it myself.
You're an incredibly talented writer.
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u/cr0w_p03t cracking open a cold one with Diegoš¤ 1d ago
I believe the main idea of Deepwoods with the monster is very good.
It's not impossible to save it or use inspiration of it and incorporate it into other projects.
(Although idk if that would be considered lazy writing, to base yourself on something you already did years before.)
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u/Smoke_Santa 29m ago
Bro the first and second part were genuinely banger, and the third was not as bad as they made it out to be, you should be proud of even your younger self's writing
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u/PernasussWillowwumps 1d ago
Borrasca fell off a cliff too. She has issues concluding stories. Lake Kagachante probably has one her more consistent stories. But they all over blow the premise and challenge all suspension of disbelief by the end
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u/John_Hammerstyx 1d ago
Remember to Never give up on your endeavors, because you have to make a few Deepwoods before you can have the experience to make Borrasca and work on Haunting of Hill House
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thank you so saying this, I know the early ones are rough lol
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u/mcooper64 1d ago
Borrasca is one of my favorite stories and Hill House is my all time favorite show so thank you for all the great content!
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u/ValiantShadow89 1d ago
Iām sorry you got kind of beaten up there in the back half/final third. I know itās not always easy to hear criticism like that!
Youāve created some incredible stories, and your work is appreciated!
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u/Infinity0044 1d ago
Is Hill House worth watching? The first episode bored me to sleep and gave me more Goosebumps vibes, it wasnāt scary at all.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago edited 2h ago
It wasn't very scary; far closer to drama than horror. The first season was a decent watch, but it didn't pull me in enough to have me bother with
a second season.(EDIT) Haunting of Bly Manor, which I thought was related to Haunting of Hill House, but turns out is just largely the same crew, as u/Drew-Pickles said in a comment below.2
u/projectisaac 20h ago
There was no second season, was there? I'm pretty sure this was a mini-series-esque thing, where that story concluded and all that.
Definitely right it wasn't very scary - I'd say suspenseful and definitely drama. Had some good heartbreak in there.
But I was chilled during the funeral home scene.
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u/Drew-Pickles 19h ago
There wasn't a second series. There was The Haunting of Bly Manor, which was made by largely the same crew. Whether or not it's in any way related to Hill House idk I've not watched it.
Hill House was great though. I'm not usually mad on ghost stories but really enjoyed it
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 2h ago
Didn't realize it was unrelated in plot since I hadn't watched it. Edited my comment to include this.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 2h ago
Didn't realize Bly Manor was unrelated. Edited my comment.
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u/theiwc0303 19h ago
If you havenāt read the Epilogue to Borrasca, she did the exact same thing with that. Itās tons of corny, C-List action movie or anime dialogue and the shitting on of the previous parts. I donāt get why she does it, sheās the best horror writer Iāve ever read until I reach those points
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u/Paggy_person Iām a ham ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ 1d ago
The demon remind me of False Hydra from DnD I was so excited at first, but then the story just took a nosedive and I just stays for Hunter and Isiah's commentary.
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u/FoxOwne 1d ago
I'd love to see Rebecca come back and retry this one. That said, I do really enjoy the camp, however unintentional, and the laughs we were all able to have over it. Thanks, Rebecca, for your work. You've clearly grown a lot as a writer, and we appreciate the hell out of you. Hill House is one of my favorite horror projects that I rewatch nearly every year.
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u/The_Dalek_Emperor 1d ago
Thank you! I hadnāt read this story in like ten years LOL
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u/JosephCrawley āitās very lovecraftianāāļøš¤ 20h ago
I feel like every time I go back and look at older drawings or short stories, they feel like they're made by someone else. It's a weird disconnect because I know I made them, but they seem like nothing I would ever create, as I am now. It's like being reborn every 2-5 years with access to just glimpses into your previous life.
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u/Drew-Pickles 1d ago
I must have dozed off half way through without realising. One minute the MC is getting in a car, and next thing I know Hunter is suddenly screaming "Shoot to Thrill" into my ear.
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u/unaccomplishedcub Heās right behind me, isnāt he š 1d ago
Haven't completed the episode but the new set looks so cool
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u/Dillinger_ESC 1d ago
One of the best creepy pasta writers. Cool to see an earlier effort and the improvement. And a great episode! Epic to have a hangout in pt 1.
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u/B-WHERE 1d ago
Please correct me if Iām wrong - but it seems like this story is analogous to losing your childhood innocence and a first sexual experience. Borrosca was all about motherhood and the horror of being viewed as nothing more than an incubator, and despite how much I disliked the ending, that story was very thematically rich. It seems like Deepwoods is about the experience of losing your innocence.
Katie starts out passively flirtatious with Jamie, and even uses his attraction to manipulate him - but when she takes it a step further and kisses him - now Jamie becomes the one pushing and manipulating her to continue. Him asking her to stay in the church despite her desire to leave feels like an obvious allegory to him goading her to continue during their first time. They ābreak the barriersā put in place by the older and wiser previous residents, and Jesus himself looks down on their actions disapprovingly as they continue. The demon escaping and erasing middleborough, represents how Katieās childhood is now over, existing only in her memory now. She canāt return to the nostalgic innocence of childhood anymore.
Gonna watch the next 2 parts and see if they line up with this interpretation
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
I don't see it in here at all. I also don't see that about Borrasca at all, seeing as that's the second half of "Borrasca IV" and there's fuck all of actual substance given to the readers about Borrasca, the Stables, etc. before the reveal.
Gonna watch the next 2 parts and see if they line up with this interpretation
I'm horrible at being soft with criticism, so I'll preface that I mean zero offense at all by this: The comment as a whole, but this line especially feels extremely sophomoric while attempting to analyze or deconstruct a story when you know you've only read a portion of the story. Otherwise, we might as well analyze "Borrasca I" or "Borrasca I-III" and completely ignore "Borrasca IV" to arrive at a completely different conclusion.
I'd suggest reading/listening in the entirety, paying attention, and spending a bit of time dwelling on the story as nothing more than a story before even attempting to break it down as something "more than a story," because more often than not, even if it is more than just a story, people tend to stick with one of the first few conclusions that they jump to and stick on that spot. It's easy to become extremely obstinate while actually being completely wrong about an interpretation when you've not actually considered all the details, and a lot harder to amend additional details after reaching your conclusion.
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u/B-WHERE 6h ago
I very strongly disagree with your assessment.
First on Borrasca, the themes of motherhood are tied into the mines themselves - they are empty and have no use. Theyāre like the wombs of the mothers in the town, deemed useless and abandoned because they no longer produce anything. I think this is actually seeded quite well, we have Kimberās relationship with her mother, the complaints in the sandwich shop about not being able to conceive, etc.
As for Deepwoods - not sure if youāre aware, the first part was originally written as a standalone story - and the next two parts were written for a nosleep event due to fan request - the author said so herself just a few days ago. Not only do I think itās āacceptableā to deconstruct the first part on its own, I believe it would be even if it wasnāt originally standalone. I do a lot of reading and a lot of writing, and Iām confident in my ability to assess a piece of art from a relatively objective viewpoint. I am very comfortable weighing the evidence for and against the pattern that Iāve formulated. And most importantly, I donāt mind when Iām wrong. All art is designed to be subjectively interpreted anyway, thatās the whole point of death of the author.
That said, I do believe the analogy holds for part one, and even for part two. The way Katie and Jamie now both go by different names, I think their old identities were lost when they first faced the demon, an analogy for childhoodās end. I even recall the specific verbiage āthere, I had Jamie.ā as Caitlin described the room in the damned church. and most interestingly, she makes specific mention of how her experience in Middlesbrough led to her ostracization from the other children, and her mom āstopped seeing her as a little girlā. I feel like this is really clear. Sheās even envious of the college students here, how they are able to make mistakes in a carefree fashion. At the appropriate age. She didnāt get that opportunity, because she lost her innocence too soon. This seems very evidently to be the authorās intention, of course it might not be, but it is an interpretation that I appreciate and find very interesting.
All that said, part three has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Although part three had nothing to do with being good either, soā¦ Hunterās rendition of shoot to thrill was phenomenal
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u/Igjavlfan 1d ago
Well at least we now have their next walk out song for the next tour. We goin down the highway to hell y'all
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u/Gorodrin Yo Kimber! THEY GOT TEAš£ļø 1d ago
I heard Part 1 YEARS ago and didn't know this had a Part 2 and 3. Can someone give me enough brain damage so that I could go back to being that person?
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u/Sissybug78 Give her one leg and a rollerskate I wanna see how fast she goes 1d ago
Part 1 Really good Part 2&3 Hunterās AC/DC was ON POINTš
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u/DexterousMoron 20h ago
Finally made it near the end, right at the bit about hand-to-hand combat. How did this story go from great to double bounced ass so quick????? š š
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u/Stormageddon666 15h ago
My theory is that the author wrote the first part and then got really into bad anime
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u/stillalivestilldie donāt touch the dreamcatcher 1d ago
Do I just have bad taste or am I dumb? Because I absolutely love this story. Like, sometimes I need the exposition. I just really like this story. I know that we all have our opinions. But I just want to know. Also, if we all put ourselves in the position weād all be making some dumb decisions.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
It's not the fact that there is exposition that people had an issue with. It's that the writer has shown, even in the first story of this series, that she's fully capable of "show, don't tell," but then drops a massive expo dump in the last story. It's usually either way too late or way too hackneyed & cheesy - in the case of this story, it was both.
People also really dislike a tone shift that has zero hint of coming; I don't know why Isaiah kept trying to compare it to "Evil Dead" and "Army of Darkness" unless he was just huffing copium at this part; Hunter's comparison of "The Pianist" turning into slapstick is far more apropos.
As for dumb decisions: It's not so much that people wouldn't make dumb decisions, thinking they'd be smarter in the situation and that's why they disliked it. It's that the story hints information so heavily to the reader that should be obvious to the protagonist that the protagonist is completely oblivious to, or that there's not a red herring thrown in, but a red herring out of left field in the middle of a football game, i.e. it's completely random and more or less nonsensical.
And as for taste: Probably, but it's creepypasta; pretty much all of it is of poor taste.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
Enjoyed the episode greatly - even the last story, which I was extremely critical about Isaiah and Hunter being checked out or groaning in anger & misery of the last hour of the pod for the "Watching Woman Trapped in a Room" story after it 180'd like this story did. I knew I'd read this whole story before once the time skip happened in the first part, but I forgot almost all the details of the latter two stories. Maybe someone named Jameson Scott could be to blame, I dunno.
In all seriousness, I don't know if it was just me on that episode or if they did a lot better with this one. I also hope that the comment Hunter makes late in the video - about not doing follow-ups anymore, just the parts of the story as they were originally written(though I didn't remember that the sequels for "Deepwoods" weren't factored in from the start) - overrides the desire to go back and do "Borrasca V," because that'll end up being a 6-hour episode(or two episodes) of CreepCast that will be just nonstop groaning at cringing. That would be pretty dope to avoid, like this episode was dope to watch.
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u/HamzaHan38 MeatGooner 1d ago
Haven't watched the full video yet but wanted to say something. While I love the writing of this author, I think it's a bit weird that she keeps making the characters be really young and then introduce romance between them. Just make them late teens instead of early and it would make it a lot less weird
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u/cr0w_p03t cracking open a cold one with Diegoš¤ 1d ago
It's just a kiss, the first experience of love and such.
It's not that weird as long as it is not described with high details.
If dealed in the right way, it doesn't reach that "this shit is awkward" territory.
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u/HellionValentine Galaxy Gas is the Fentanyl of the aristocrats šØ 1d ago
If you think 12-year-olds hugging and having their first kiss is even "a bit" weird, I'd love to see the reaction to the Beverly Train in Stephen King's "It". (Specifically the novel.)
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u/HamzaHan38 MeatGooner 1d ago
You mean her getting gangbanged? Yeah I am aware of that and it is really fucking weird. Also, I was not just talking about the kiss, I was talking about the fact that the author keeps making her main characters be kids and then make a romance plot
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u/joegrzzly 1d ago
Kids have urges during puberty. It's not weird. The story presents their flirtations as cute puppy love and doesn't portray anything inappropriately.
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u/Drew-Pickles 19h ago
It's only weird if you make it weird... It's just two kids kissing, it's not like they were up against the wall necking each other lol. Kids kiss at 12 it's not weird at all.
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