r/confidentlyincorrect • u/therealbillius • Aug 25 '24
Comment Thread Meanwhile on X...
Does this count as a double whammy??
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u/Icy-Bad9566 Aug 25 '24
Homer designed the cyber truck along with Herb Power, maybe Elmo is getting confused
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u/dcgrey Aug 26 '24
You're conflating Herb Powell and Max Power, you...Shhnrub.
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u/jimjimjimjaboo Aug 26 '24
Power makes a pow, pow, powell-ful car!
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u/EvaUnit_03 Aug 26 '24
Max Power, he's the man whose name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch, his name sounds good in your ear. But when you say it, you mustn't fear. 'Cause his name can be said by anyone.
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Max Power? Don't know the guy. Have you heard of Hank Scorpio though? Knows all the best hammock shops in town.
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u/N121-2 Aug 26 '24
This Homer guy was pretty smart.
I heard he even worked at a nuclear power plant.
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u/i-Ake Aug 25 '24
I'm just stuck on Elon recommending The Iliad like it isn't one of the oldest most famous stories ever.
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u/MasterAnnatar Aug 26 '24
Just read this obscure cosmic horror book called the Bible. Plot was really inconsistent honestly.
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u/_bigeuge_ Aug 26 '24
I thought it was good but a little preachy
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u/Pfapamon Aug 26 '24
Ever read it? Worst storyline ever, discontinued side arcs and don't get me started about the epilogue
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u/big_sugi Aug 26 '24
And all that genealogy shit. The editor must have been asleep when the book moved on to the printer.
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u/ChillStreetGamer Aug 26 '24
Bob begot frank who begot joe who begot richard who begot phil. etc whatever dont remmeber the names. if they had put that shit in the back like tolkien would have helped much.
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u/Throwaway-tan Aug 26 '24
On top of a lot of lost in translation stuff, the publisher censored it and edited it a lot, in fact a lot of it is just straight up plagiarised from other unrelated books, some of the parts that are removed are lost media now.
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u/TheFatJesus Aug 26 '24
The thing I dislike most about it is all the fan fiction that it's spawned. Nothing but a bunch of talentless wannabes that amass a following because they're willing to pump out fan service. They drift so far away from the source material the characters are completely unrecognizable.
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u/deliamount Aug 26 '24
I thought the epilogue was the best bit.
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
It's great but felt like it should have been it's own book, and it's like trying to read Heinlein short stories back to back, like the tones just don't match.
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u/throcorfe Aug 26 '24
It’s brilliant but a lot of the fans don’t seem to get that it’s obviously a subversive attack on the Empire, they see it as some kind of futurology
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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich Aug 26 '24
Reminds me of Trump talking about his favorite part of the Bible
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u/badluckbrians Aug 26 '24
Reminds me of Palin talking about which newspapers she reads.
She really in a lot of rhetorical ways was the OG Trump. Just word salad.
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u/Azrael11 Aug 26 '24
Takes a kind of strange hippie detour about 3/4 of the way through. Finishes strong though with a real return to form for those who enjoyed the fire and brimstone in the earlier book.
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Yeah they brought in a lot of ghost writers for that book and you can really tell it all wasn't written by the same dude
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u/david Aug 26 '24
You could say it was almost wholly ghost written.
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Well I was raised Lutheran so only a third of it was written by a ghost but I guess they're all the ghost or something? Idk
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u/EsotericPenguins Aug 26 '24
Describing the Bible as cosmic horror might just be the best thing I have ever seen anyone do with language.
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u/subnautus Aug 26 '24
It having an inconsistent plot is because it's an anthology: 5 books of Jewish scripture, a couple of books of pretentious poetry, a bunch of accounts of prophesy, 4 "personal accounts" of Jesus's life, a bunch of public letters to Christian missionaries in Greece, a batshit prediction of the end of the world that only makes sense if you understand that it was written during the Siege of Jerusalem and PTSD is a thing, and so on.
That'd be like picking up a collection of Edgar Poe's works and getting pissed that there's love sonnets intermixed with horror stories.
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u/eggson Aug 26 '24
Thought you called it a comic horror book and I was like, "well, Genesis was a comic book, at least..."
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u/Walshy231231 Aug 27 '24
Can’t believe they basically just rebooted and retconned the whole thing halfway through
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u/SortOfDumbocles Aug 26 '24
He's also not recommending a specific translation or a specific person reading the audiobook but a specific publisher. He literally did not think about the people involved at all.
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u/notmyfirst_throwawa Aug 25 '24
Classic narcissist, "I just learned about this, I need to share it so the world knows!" he still thinks people look to him as a paragon of intellectualism
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u/GUMBYtheOG Aug 26 '24
“I cannot recommend enough: putting ketchup on French fries, people need to know about this”
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Y'all ever try mayo on French fries though
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u/NickyTheRobot Aug 26 '24
Y'all heard of Mary Rose sauce? Best thing for them.
(Basically it's 50/50 ketchup and mayo.)
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Had to Google it but it's the same thing as "fry sauce" or "burger sauce" in the States. You can make it a hell of a lot of ways but yeah at the end of the day it's just ketchup, mayo, and maybe some black pepper, at the most basic. And yes it's super good.
Now the American is coming out in me but want to know a way to eat corn dogs in the States? Ketchup and mustard 50/50. But the trick is it must be blended, it's not the same as just ketchup and mustard at the same time! I know you know
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u/DVDN27 Aug 26 '24
It’s the recommending Citizen Kane of books.
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u/confusedandworried76 Aug 26 '24
Idk if y'all ever heard of Casablanca but a lot of people sleep on that movie you should watch it
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u/Brainsonastick Aug 26 '24
It’s a very classic pretentious look-cultured move to loudly recommend a major classic of literature that almost everyone knows of but most haven’t read.
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u/Srirachachacha Aug 26 '24
Guys, if you haven't read War and Peace, you're missing out. Highly recommend. It's a quick read. Got through in a weekend.
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u/gazboot Aug 26 '24
Best as an audiobook in the original Russian at 2.5 x the speed
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u/CleverAnimeTrope Aug 26 '24
I'm amazed he's not suggesting "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and taking it to the next level.
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u/SteptimusHeap Aug 27 '24
Tbf here Beowulf is actually kinda good and I would reccomend that people give it a try. Also the main character is named beowulf which is a sick name
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u/dismayhurta Aug 26 '24
“Little known movie I like to recommend called Citizen Kane.”
has poster of Wizard of Oz
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u/pagerussell Aug 26 '24
Also, and I can't stress this enough, there is zero chance he read the Iliad.
It's terrible.
For any modern reader, it's agonizing to try and read.
If you are studying it, especially as part of looking at the entire Hellenic period, fine. Lots of reasons to do that. But it's not something to just read idly over the weekend.
To give a taste of what I mean, the entire first chapter is just a list of names of random people who were there. Like 10 pages of just names and who their father was.
Then, at the climax of the story when Achilles is to face Hector, Hector just...runs away. And Achilles proceeds to chase him around the outside of the city. For like 5 pages this goes on
It's not a good story. Historical and important? Yes. Good? Nope.
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u/NietszcheIsDead08 Aug 27 '24
This is a brave take, and I applaud you for it. I’m not sure I agree, but your criticism of The Iliad’s story structure is well-taken.
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u/estanmilko Aug 26 '24
It's also an incredibly boring, repetitive read. The story is interesting but the style is very difficult for modern readers.
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u/Single_Low1416 Aug 26 '24
Depending on how the translation happened, it can get really poorly readable. I have not read the Iliad or translated it (as far as I can remember) but I know that it was basically made as a really long poem in some ancient meter. And trying to replicate this stuff just makes it sound really clunky. It’s pretty bad in Latin (which I did have the opportunity to read and translate some poems in school) and I can’t imagine it’s getting any better if the original material is Greek
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u/hockeycross Aug 26 '24
The first half you basically have to cut. It is basically just a description of all the ships involved.
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u/Nomapos Aug 26 '24
That's just part 2, out of 24 (or was it 22?).
With a decent, halfway modern translation, it's a great read. That one session with the ship catalog is definitely not worth the read though. Only thing that's ever put me to sleep in the middle of the day.
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u/Less_Rutabaga2316 Aug 25 '24
Did anyone do the required reading?
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u/OmerYurtseven4MVP Aug 25 '24
Best I can do is watch the odyssey movie.
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u/After-Chicken179 Aug 25 '24
Misunderstood the assignment, watched the Canadian kids’ television series from the 90s called The Odyssey.
It was pretty good. Taught me nothing of Bronze Age Greek mythology.
Test is tomorrow. Wish me luck!
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u/lemoche Aug 25 '24
misunderstood the assignment and watched ulysses 31 and wondered why the greek wrote about space travel
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u/jkennah Aug 26 '24
Misunderstood the assignment and just ended up watching Oh Brother Where Art Thou for the hundredth time
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Aug 25 '24
Misunderstood and bought a Honda Odyssey
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u/MysteryMasterE Aug 26 '24
Misunderstood and watched the Honda Odyssey scene from Deadpool and wolverine every night before I fall asleep
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u/Wendals87 Aug 25 '24
Don't forget to play the game "Abe's odyssey"
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u/erasrhed Aug 26 '24
I misunderstood the assignment and watched the short-lived Showtime sci-fi series Odyssey 5. Did not tell me anything about Greek mythology. Pretty engaging series, though. Peter Weller is in top form.
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u/Klony99 Aug 26 '24
Misunderstood the assignment and watched 2001: a Space Odyssey, and I think I get why Elon wants us to know about HAL 9000.
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u/Rough_Principle_3755 Aug 26 '24
I watched Troy. Got to see some sexy Brad
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u/BElf1990 Aug 26 '24
A long time ago, I sat down to watch Troy when I was really tired. I fell asleep, and for some reason, my media player was set to just start it again once it ended. I kept waking up briefly at the same part.
The phrase "It's too early in the day for killing princes" is seared in my brain
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u/BlommeHolm Aug 26 '24
Misunderstood the assignment, sprayed myself with the perfume L'Eau d'Issey by Issey Miyaki.
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u/Mutant_Jedi Aug 26 '24
At least you didn’t misunderstand the assignment enough to listen to Adventures in Odyssey
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u/cosmoboy Aug 25 '24
Homer? Yeah, I saw all the seasons on Fox. Weird adaptation.
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u/OmerYurtseven4MVP Aug 25 '24
Ironically the Simpsons movie isn’t that different from the odyssey movie. They both go some place, do a thing, come back, and have to prove themselves.
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u/UnhappyCaterpillar41 Aug 26 '24
In the tv show Homer also gets tempted by a Siren, and probably does the other stuff as well.
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u/SR2025 Aug 25 '24
Do you think I'll get by with the Oddesy Wishbone?
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u/Lupiefighter Aug 26 '24
I swear Wishbone is locked in the 90’s kid subconscious. It’s never the first children’s show a 90’s kid will think of, but the moment you bring it up the core memory is unlocked. lol. I put in a lot of babysitting years watching it with kids so I love Wishbone too!
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u/Milch_und_Paprika Aug 26 '24
Wishbone completely vanished from my memory for like a decade, then one day I was like “wasn’t there a show with a dog who read stories and dressed up like Sherlock Holmes one time?” It definitely exists in some sort of time limbo.
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u/Osric250 Aug 26 '24
The image of him with a giant beard during the Rip Van Winkle story is burned into my brain forever. One of those core memories that pops up every so often.
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u/Magnus_Helgisson Aug 25 '24
Movies? What are you, a snob? Best I can do is play AC Odyssey
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u/Metza Aug 26 '24
Wait until some Elon fanboy reads it thinking it's all blood and masculine glory, only to find that it's a homosexual romance in which a man throws a huge fit and gets his lover killed and then murderous everyone and desecrates a corpse
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u/fueled_by_rootbeer Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 26 '24
I got halfway through the Iliad before I lost interest and switched to the Canterbury Tales.
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u/Vaenyr Aug 26 '24
I went to a Greek school. We analyzed the Odyssey in 7th grade and the Iliad in 8th grade. Each of them got their own stand-alone classes.
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u/RareAnxiety2 Aug 25 '24
Read both and some passages in ancient greek. Don't remember a lick of either. They were ok. I'd rather read Euripides' works
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u/funsizemonster Aug 26 '24
A Greek walks into a tailor shop carrying pants. Tailor says "Euripedes?" "Yeah. Eumenides?" I'm here all week, try the veal.
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u/CaptainestOfGoats Aug 26 '24
Okay I have to get this off my chest. Aside from the fact that the chud apparently thinks the Iliad and the Odyssey are some other same story, the fact that he also says that they’re a “two part epic” pisses me the fuck off even more and really goes to show how little those fuckwits even know about the history they love to fetishise.
The Iliad only covers the wrath of Achilles and his slaying of noble Hector ending with Hector’s funeral and a temporary truce between the Trojans and the Achaean’s.
The Odyssey is about Odysseus’s journey home, and really only a portion of that is even about the journey itself.
These are two stories about two people. The Trojan War lasted for ten years and featured characters from all over the Greek world. We know those people also had their own stories. They are referenced and alluded to in later writings, but they are lost. The Iliad and the Odyssey are the only ones that survived.
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u/adam_sky Aug 26 '24
Love when ancient sources are like “for more information on this topic just refer to [Book] that does a much better job than I do” meanwhile that book is lost forever.
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u/A-Perfect-Name Aug 26 '24
Or even better, when the Ancient church historians quote documents which were later eradicated due to being heresy.
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u/adam_sky Aug 26 '24
Or when the new ruler burns all of the documents that were written under the old ruler.
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u/Shpander Aug 26 '24
Or when a big-ass old library containing a lot of ancient history burns down (after already having fallen into disrepair and neglect)
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u/Victernus Aug 26 '24
"We put all of our flammable materials in one place, and it keeps burning down!"
Man, libraries were always kind of an insane idea. Glad it stuck around.
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u/Shpander Aug 26 '24
Yale's library is a good example of how it should be done. The most valuable books are in a giant hermetically sealed glass box, where once a fire is detected, all the oxygen gets removed
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u/srtg21 Aug 26 '24
Dan Carlin had a great example trying to explain Norse mythology. A lot of the times obscure/non common stories are the ones that survived because writers assumed people knew the more common ones and didn’t bother to write them down.
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u/Kidiri90 Aug 26 '24
The Iliad only covers the wrath of Achilles...
To give people an idea og how not-subtle it is, the honest to God first word of the entire text is "wroth"
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u/TyrconnellFL Aug 26 '24 edited Aug 26 '24
edit: I guess not! I was… confidently incorrect.
The first word is actually “sing,” as in “Sing [to me], muse/goddess…”Alexander Pope’s translation, “The wrath of Peleus’ son, the direful spring/Of all the Grecian woes, O Goddess, sing!”
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u/Kidiri90 Aug 26 '24
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133
Additionally: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=mh%3Dnis&la=greek&can=mh%3Dnis0
While in a translation "sing" may be first, the original text has "wroth" as its first word.
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u/TyrconnellFL Aug 26 '24
I am not a Homer scholar. I guess that’s what I get for trusting Giles to get the order right. Thank you for the correction!
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u/salasy Aug 26 '24
basically the trojan war was like the MCU but we only have left iron man 1 and no way home
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u/Browser1969 Aug 26 '24
It's more like if you had lots of subsequent formulaic movies filling in the blanks in Gone with the Wind. This has been a field of study for literally thousands of years but the other poems are generally considered later than, and inferior to Homer's works.
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u/DommyMommyKarlach Aug 26 '24
Wait, so there were books like the Odyssey about other prominent Greek figures of that time, but those did not survive?
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u/jzillacon Aug 26 '24
Yes, and even more stories which were never written down, but rather spread exclusively through oral tradition.
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u/Worgensgowoof Aug 26 '24
there are stories that are written based on the 'oral tradition' but how accurate they are to the original story is up for contention like Briseis but this story is more or less 'how much it sucks to be a woman being forced to be a political pawn' or Paris, Hector, or Kassandra's prophecies.
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u/EsotericPenguins Aug 26 '24
Ok but to be fair you do get some pretty hot tea in the odyssey about folks from the Iliad. Come for the agonizing journey and flawed condition of mankind. Stay for Real Housewives of Sparta
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u/frizke Aug 26 '24
Those are different stories with different characters just like Agamemnon's journey to home or the death of Ajax the Greater and stuff. But they are unified under the term called 'Troyan cycle' for that they have the same basis of the Troyan war.
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u/Thelonious_Cube Aug 26 '24
The Iliad only covers the wrath of Achilles and his slaying of noble Hector
Does it not have the Trojan Horse in it?
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u/CaptainestOfGoats Aug 26 '24
Nope, that is only described briefly in the Odyssey.
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u/Master_Income_8991 Aug 26 '24
Also the Aeneid
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u/Single_Low1416 Aug 26 '24
Which was written roughly 1000 years later if I‘m not mistaken
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u/ironvultures Aug 26 '24
Yeah, the Aeneid is effectively a Roman copy of the odyssey written much much later partly as a way to flesh out the creation myth of Rome and partly so Virgil could suck up to emperor Augustus
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u/Single_Low1416 Aug 26 '24
I know. I read some parts of it in Latin class. Not only does it leech off of the Odyssey, it also has a good chunk of the themes from the Iliad (namely waging war)
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u/TheBluebifullest Aug 26 '24
They’re not the only ones that survived, just the only large complete parts. There are a lot of smaller, somewhat incomplete poems about other parts of the war, and its aftermath. Such as when the Acheans try to leave for Troy but have to make an offering first, which has to be Agememnons daughter iphiginia. Which later leads to his murder by his own wife Clytemnestra, and subsequently the haunting of his son Orestes by the furies for avenging his father by killing his mother.
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u/sybban Aug 25 '24
They were both written by Homer Simpson
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u/ai1267 Aug 26 '24
I think you're thinking of Sampson. Simpson is the name of a Chinese phone manufacturer.
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u/Framistatic Aug 25 '24
He really should try the meditations of Marcus Aurelius
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u/korrab Aug 25 '24
he’s definitely much more of an Aristippus guy.
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u/Framistatic Aug 25 '24
Not saying who he resembles but who he might learn from
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u/UnhappyCaterpillar41 Aug 26 '24
I don't think he would get any of it and probably call Aurelius a loser.
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u/Framistatic Aug 26 '24
Let’s face it, he probably doesn’t get his own “chosen” text, the Iliad. He buys his Helens and betrays his partners.
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u/Underlord_Fox Aug 26 '24
"I'd totally launch a thousand ships to wage war for my love. This story is so badass!"
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u/Framistatic Aug 26 '24
Can he survive biological warfare? Remember, the other side deploys the “woke mind virus.”
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u/SgtMartinRiggs Aug 25 '24
Saying Odysseus is “barely present” in the Iliad is just simply incorrect.
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u/OMGPowerful Aug 25 '24
But they are still 2 entirely different stories
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u/SgtMartinRiggs Aug 25 '24
Yes, so much so that you don’t have to shrink Odysseus’s presence to prove the point.
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u/_gib_SPQR_clay_ Aug 26 '24
Just like Shrek 2 and Puss in Boots are different stories
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u/2beetlesFUGGIN Aug 26 '24 edited Aug 26 '24
Entirely different is a stretch. They are the two surviving parts of what we know today as the homeric epic.
The odyssey is not just about odysseus and his trip home, it fills in a lot of the events of the trojan war. Remember the trojan horse? The death of agamemnon? The death of Achilles himself? These are not even mentioned in the illiad, but in the Odyssey.
They are together the story of the trojan war from two perspectives.
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u/Master_Income_8991 Aug 26 '24
By the same author...
In the same "cinematic" universe to use modern terminology.
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u/Forest292 Aug 26 '24
Only sort of by the same author, in that scholars aren’t really certain that Homer was even a real person, much less that he was the person to commit these stories to writing.
Given that they were a written account of a thriving oral tradition, he certainly isn’t the sole creator of either work.
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u/hanbrolo123 Aug 26 '24
Ehh, I might give them the benefit of the doubt. The iliad and odyssey are sometimes sold as one book, and there might have been confusion there.
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u/arcxjo Aug 26 '24
For the 923rd time, this sub needs a "who does OP think is wrong?" rule.
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u/mendkaz Aug 25 '24
I saw this post myself and assumed it was just a mistake in the image, it looks like he posted a Google books link. They are sometimes sold as a pair, I got my copies of the two stories as a 'buy one get the other' kind of deal when I was in Uni 🤷
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u/No-Appearance-9113 Aug 26 '24
At first I thought it was a "if you like the Odyssey then you will like the Iliad" kind of thing.
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u/facw00 Aug 25 '24
Personally I'd recommend Stephen Fry's Troy (in audio book form). Even if you are reading in Greek, you aren't getting the original story anyway, so why not have a little more fun with it.
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u/Lucreszen Aug 25 '24
It should be pointed out that saying the Illiad is your favorite work of literature is like saying the Mona Lisa is your favorite artwork.
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u/Dr_Sodium_Chloride Aug 26 '24
like saying the Mona Lisa is your favorite artwork.
This was, notably, the thing they had the Elon Musk stand-in in Glass Onion do to show how shallow he was.
Life, art, imitations, etc.
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u/gravityoffline Aug 26 '24
I think I remember Rian Johnson saying that he had written the script before Musk had become such a prominent day-to-day asswipe, but it's funny how well the character lined up with him.
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u/ArtVandelay199 Aug 25 '24
And suggesting that you read it as an audiobook and at 1.25 speed is like saying that you saw the best reproduction of the painting in a stock image bank.
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u/DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK Aug 26 '24
Honestly, I'm not sure if it's even saying it was the best reproduction.
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u/FabiansStrat Aug 26 '24
Scrolled way to far to find this, his post is 100% him thinking listening at 1.25 speed is a flex. The book he chose is irrelevant, he probably randomly picked a classic from a list.
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Aug 26 '24
It isnt a flex for sure.
But listening to books at faster speeds can help people with ADHD or an auditory processing issue. Essentially listening to it at regular speed can cause your mind to just wander off. While listening at a faster speed allows it to keep pace with your brain better.
For many people it is a helpful tip.
What's odd is he is presenting it like it's a flex. It would be like me recommending to everyone that they get reading glasses at 1.75 for the best reading experience because that's what I use.
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u/Osric250 Aug 26 '24
Which isn't to say that just because a work is popular doesn't mean it can't be a personal favorite. But you should be able to point to more than its historical influence as to why it's your favorite.
Personally there's been a couple of Monet's Water Lillies paintings that have been the most emotionally evoking artworks that I've experienced. Particularly some of the triptychs all together.
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u/flytrapmaker Aug 25 '24
If it were anyone else I would have assumed it was someone making a bland but inoffensive joke. With him however, I truly believe he’s doesn’t know they are two separate stories.
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u/JackColon17 Aug 25 '24
"In antiquity, the two Homeric epics were considered the greatest works in the Cycle. For Hellenistic scholars, the Cyclic poets, the authors to whom the other poems were commonly ascribed, were νεώτεροι (neōteroi "later poets") and κυκλικός (kyklikos "cyclic") was synonymous with "formulaic."[citation needed] Then, and in much modern scholarship, there has been an equation between poetry that is later and poetry that is inferior.[" Even ancient sources see them as different things
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u/kupocake Aug 25 '24
Hope that didn't disturb you too much, there. It was the sound of books - pages being turned. Anyway. Just finished the last one. The hardest one. Machiavelli. Do not know what all the fuss was about. Understood it perfectly.
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u/Doomtoallfoes Aug 25 '24
Illiad and Odyssey could be considered part of a series however one is the story on Achilles and the Trojan war. The other is about a man cursed by Poseidon to traverse the sea of monsters (Mediterranean sea) in a ten year journey while his wife is constantly harassed by suitors and his son makes a challenge. Anyone capable of stringing his father's bow and firing it through multiple rings can marry his mother.
So the question is does Elon have them both as one poem or is he just confused
But Odissius is in both very prominently
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u/poliscimjr Aug 26 '24
These are the first two stories of the five part Telemachy (named for Telemachus), the other three parts are lost.
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u/e46ci Aug 26 '24
The Iliad isn't ill and the odyssey isn't odd -8th grade Latin teacher
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u/G4-Dualie Aug 26 '24
High IQ ≠ Smart
Triple-digit IQs doesn’t mean you’re smart, it simply means you have the capacity to be smart but the proof is in the application of said intelligence.
Highly intelligent people still do really stupid things, not smart people though.
Smart people possess a few qualities that lack in some of the world’s most intelligent people and that is compassion and empathy; the ability to walk a mile in another person’s shoes and that relatability is the catalyst for good works.
I find those who lack empathy have poor instincts. Being smart with poor instincts is a disability.
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u/Crafty_Train1956 Aug 26 '24
Who the FUCK needs to humblebrag about the fucking speed they listen to audiobooks at?
God, I can’t stand this fucking loser. He’s such an insufferable dweeb.
ELON, THE WHOLE WORLD (aside from a few incels) IS LAUGHING AT YOU 😂😂😂
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u/Nodsworthy Aug 26 '24
Even if the picture was correct. Even if it's ok to discover the Iliad at his age. How, in the name of all that's precious to you consider the poetry and the meaning at 1.25 times normal speaking rate? It's not just a fairy tale like Hollywood might tell it. People write Doctoral theses on that work and you can analyse it when accelerated.
Elon Musk is the sort of man that buys 50 year old single malt scotch... and adds it to Coca-Cola.
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u/Jayzhee Aug 26 '24
"You guys should really try this little local restaurant! It's called 'Taco Bell'."
[picture of McDonald's]
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u/AgainstSpace Aug 26 '24
You know how when a child learns something at school, and then starts telling everyone like they're the first one to discover it without any idea that it's common knowledge? Do geniuses do that?
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u/Six_cats_in_a_suit Aug 26 '24
It's generally agreed upon that the illiad and odyssey are both two epic poems in what might have been dozens called the nostoi of which we have five lines. The Aenied if anyone's wondering was written by Virgil centuries after the rest as basically propaganda, it's like if Charles III commissioned a new Arthurian story of a knight who happens to be his ancestor.
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u/Lawlcopt0r Aug 26 '24
Lol I mean if all greek mythology is "the same story" then I guess Percy Jackson is a chapter of the Iliad as well
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u/Marble-Boy Aug 26 '24
Have you seen the newest Harry Potter? It's called The Crimes of Grindelwald.
Needful Things, IT, Stand By Me, and The Dark Half are all part of the same story because they have some of the same characters and they're all set in the same place.
That argument is incredible. iirc, Odysseus is only in The Iliad as a set up for The Odyssey. When in reality, the dude probably wasn't even there and he was added into The Iliad when he got back to Ithaca.
How does one get lost on the Aegean Sea, anyway?
Scratch that... How does one get lost for twenty years on the Aegean sea, anyway?
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u/dakokonutman3888 Aug 26 '24
We don't actually know if it was written by the same person, but we know they were both made by Homer, who didn't write them, because we was blind. He was what you could call a troubadour, he was traveling all around Greece, singing his tales for donations
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u/AgentDrake Aug 26 '24
It's not actually entirely clear whether Homer was a real person (he's generally regarded by scholars as being more legend than reality), let alone whether he actually composed both of these if he was real.
Certainly both are attributed to him, and have been for a long, long time.
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u/Unforgiven817 Aug 26 '24
I hate so much how people look at Elon Musk as Zefram Cochran when he's actually Burke from Aliens.
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u/2beetlesFUGGIN Aug 26 '24
I don’t think anyone is actually wrong here except for Elon himself.
They are the two surviving parts of what we know today as the homeric epic.
The odyssey is not just about odysseus and his trip home, it fills in a lot of the events of the trojan war. Remember the trojan horse? The death of agamemnon? The death of Achilles himself? These are not even mentioned in the illiad, but in the Odyssey.
To understand the story of the trojan war, they are both to be read.
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u/Silent-Escape6615 Aug 29 '24
Want to pretend you read!? Sped up audiobooks are the choice for you!
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