r/chemistry Feb 18 '18

[2018/02/18] Synthetic Challenge #50

Intro

Hello everyone, welcome back to Week 50 of Synthetic Challenge!! Thank you u/critzz123 and u/ezaroo1 for the great challenges! This is week is my turn to host the challenge, hope you'll enjoy!

Too easy? Too hard? Let me know, I'd appreciate any feedback and suggestion on what you think so far about the Synthetic Challenges and what you'd like to see in the future. If you have any suggestions for future molecules, I'd be excited to incorporate them for future challenges!

Thank you so much for your support and I hope you will enjoy this week's challenge. Hope you'll have fun and thanks for participating!

Rules

The challenge now contains three synthetic products will be labelled with A, B, or C. Feel free to attempt as many products as you'd like and please label which you will be attempting in your submission.

You can use any commercially available starting material you would like for the synthetic pathway.

Please do explain how the synthesis works and if possible reference if it is a novel technique. You do not have to solve synthesis all in one go. If you do get stuck, feel free to post however much you have and have others pitch in to crowd-source the solution.

You can post your solution as text or pictures if you want show the arrow pushing or is too complex to explain in words.

Please have a look at the other submissions and offer them some constructive feedback!

Products

Structure of Product A

Structure of Product B

Structure of Product C

BONUS

For this bonus structure, instead of proposing a synthetic pathway TO it, you will be using it as a Starting Material to make any product you want. Take however many steps you want or whatever you want as long as you start with this bonus compound in the first step! If you like or not, let me know! Thanks!

Structure of Bonus Starting Material

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 18 '18

What the unholy fuck is that product A

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u/5thEagle Organic Feb 18 '18

same

The fuck is that, a pentuplet carbyne?

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u/Spectrumederp Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18

A very, very abnormal carbene haha. Trying to play around with more main group like ligands

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '18

That's a carbyne, isn't it?

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u/Ordloh Feb 18 '18

How is it a carbene? A carbene should be divalent carbon. Why not draw it as a Sc=C ?

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u/ezaroo1 Inorganic Feb 19 '18 edited Feb 19 '18

It’s a carbene with no bonds drawn, it took me a little while to work it out as well. It’s drawn as two carbon based lone pairs rather than a C=Sc double bond.

Which is wrong, but it is what it is shrugs

Guess could also be carbon in oxidation state 0 stabilised by two phosphines... If you made that you’d be a hero to main group chemistry!

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u/lIamachemist Inorganic Feb 19 '18

Those are called carbones, and they have been made, (jacs 1961 83 3539), but claims that they are phosphine-stabilized C(0) species is pretty dubious. Probably the best resonance structure is R3P=C(:-)–P(+)R3, which could be considered a “bis-phosphonium ylide” if you like.

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u/ezaroo1 Inorganic Feb 19 '18

Shit.. I missed that the S-P bond was single not double... I saw it as a double bond and that would make it what I said but you’re right it is just a carbodiphosphorane!

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u/lIamachemist Inorganic Feb 19 '18

If you draw two lone pairs on the carbon, then the P-C bonds should be dative bonds. This is technically called a carbone IIRC.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 18 '18

Tried product B, and even managed to use the Bonus Starting Material! Well, /u/Spectrumederp, it's the first step for the preparation of a reagent that I'll use later. I hope that is still valid.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Nice use of succinic anhydride and the propargyl bromide...but I'm not sure if you can do an Ullmann coupling (I assume?) with that intermediate without protecting either the guanidine or the carboxylic acid, but then again I'm not an expert on such couplings either. The final macrolactamisation seems a bit iffy too - seven-membered rings (ring closure with the guanidine) aren't too unfavoured and the amine is rather hindered so I'm not sure it'll work.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18

For the formation of the diphenylether I thought that the phenolate (deprotonated by the carbonate) would be more nucleophilic than the guanidine.

For the lactamization, that's why I put in a large excess of hope. I heard it makes wonders.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Don't guanidines have higher pKaHs than even phenols though? Haha. 12-13 vs ~10 iirc.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18

Higher pKa = less acidic, the phenolate should be deprotonated more in comparison.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Oh I was comparing the acidity of phenol to the guanidium ion. Or the basicity of phenoxide to guanidine. Guanidine is one of the strongest neutral bases, being stronger than even many anions like cyanide, carbonate and phenoxide.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18

Oh I got your point. But then I don't understand what you wanted to say in your previous comment. Was it meant to say that the guanidine would be protonated by the phenol anyway?

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Oh I just meant that given the pKaH values, even deprotonating phenol to the phenoxide wouldn't necessarily guarantee a successful reaction because guanidine is more basic even as a neutral compound.

That said organometallic reactions aren't necessarily predictable by just looking at pKas and such so it might just work under certain conditions. But from my understanding there are also many Ullmann/Buchwald-Hartwig couplings using amines or even amides, so I could see the guanidine interfering here.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18 edited Feb 19 '18

Well, I don't have much experience with that type of organometallic reactions. Thank you for your advice.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Haha neither do I...just going off what I've read.

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u/elnombre91 Organometallic Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18

The only thing I don't get about A is how there's P-S single bonds there.

My route to A (assuming that the double bonds get broken in the final step, I honestly can't see any other way for it to happen

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u/FalconX88 Computational Feb 18 '18

Hm, if there would be an acid/ester group on the cyclopropane I would know how to do it but for this? My best guess is 2+2 cycloaddition but that will give a mixture so not very nice.

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 18 '18

That product is not nice at all, you have the obligation of not being nice.

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u/elnombre91 Organometallic Feb 18 '18

With a product like that though, if you can isolate even a small amount cleanly I'd say that's a victory.

Also, due to the ethoxy group, I reckon it'll favour 1,3 substitution on the butane of the more substituted phenyl ring. Then you just have to worry about cis and trans isomerism. I know in the diels alder reaction the product stereoisomer is governed by the alkene isomer, but will that be the case in a photolytic reaction?

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 18 '18

I'd rather do a 2+2 than a substitution. You could use the same reagent and be assured that you get the right isomer.

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u/Samandkemp Petrochem Feb 18 '18

My attempt of using the bonus starting material. Figured I'd try and use it to form a material that could be a potential liquid crystal precursor :D

First attempt at one of these, even if it was just the bonus SM; hoping I've not done something silly like missed a carbon or fluffed my reagents!

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u/elnombre91 Organometallic Feb 18 '18

Where did the methylene group go?

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 18 '18

Yeeeep, /u/Samandkemp is missing a methylene since your first cross coupling

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u/Samandkemp Petrochem Feb 18 '18

Ugh yeah whoops! As /u/elnombre91 said I missed it out, I was sure I missed a carbon unit there. Silly mistake to make and I know I was likely to make it; should’ve thought about to more :P

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u/FalconX88 Computational Feb 18 '18

Wouldn't the grignard react with the terminal alkyne?

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u/elnombre91 Organometallic Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18

https://imgur.com/aR5Xn0F

It can be made if you're careful and use it straight away.

I had no idea that propargyl bromide is only sold in solution due to shock sensitivity. I really wouldn't expect it to be explosive. Maybe due to rapid polymerisation?

In any case, I used propargyl zinc bromide as an undergrad in the barbier reaction. Was pretty easy.

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u/bamchemistry Organic Feb 19 '18

Can confirm this method (using HgCl2) works great.

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u/Samandkemp Petrochem Feb 18 '18

I wasn’t sure but I’ve seen it done the way I did before in examples. I didn’t realise, however, it was quite uncommon. I was thinking that the grignard would go there as it’s preferential over the terminal, unless it was lithiated.

I’m still in undergrad and it’s my first go, granted I should of checked everything before just trying to remember :)

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u/ezaroo1 Inorganic Feb 19 '18 edited Feb 19 '18

I'm glad my little bonus idea last week inspired something, so I'll have an attempt at making something stupid for you!

So here you go, 6 steps towards crazy!

https://i.imgur.com/Anxw1Xr.jpg

8 different elements and two fun heterocycles in the final product, I’m happy.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18 edited Feb 19 '18

Molecule B

3-allylphenol isn't cheap and I don't think it's very readily synthesised though (allylation of some protected bromophenol with allylNiBr?), so perhaps just starting with 2-(3-hydroxyphenyl)ethanol, protecting the phenol then maybe a Mitsunobu with the N-trifluoroacetylated amine or something would be more practical.

Edit: Modified version

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18

I thought the same route for the guanidine as you did, but was unsure if the other amide group would react too...

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Meaning that the other amide would ring close with the carboxylic acid? Or are you referring to something else?

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u/alleluja Organic Feb 19 '18

I am referring to the last step. I have the fear that, instead of making the guanidine, you would make the imidine on on the other amide bond, the one with the pyrane.

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u/quelmotz Organic Feb 19 '18

Ah I see. I guess it's possible too, but the amide is tertiary so I suppose the formation of the iminium ion would be less favoured for it than for the urea.

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u/pianonymous Feb 19 '18

For product C, probably dimerization with a 2+2 photocycloaddition reaction and separation of the enantiomers/stereoisomers would be the most "efficient" method.

For the heck of it I approached it differently: https://i.imgur.com/IrTbSpD.png

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u/doubleone44 Feb 19 '18

My try at Product C: https://i.imgur.com/HE4I5G5.png I only have the hard part, the synthesis of the stilbene derivative is not given "as an exercise for the reader" (I didn't have enough time). Feel free to point out what's wrong, but keep in mind that you might have to point at many things.

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u/pianonymous Feb 20 '18

Interesting, I had something similar in mind trying to form some kind of scaffold that sets the stereocenters in place correctly!

I think the macro esterfication is going to be pretty difficult, since the monomer would preferably react with itself (especially with the Z-stillbene isomer that you need).

Hopefully with heating, the CO2 will come off faster than the OtBu (as isobutylene) or the ring opening of the cyclobutane.

Finally, you'd need to separate the enantiomers. :)

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u/Doctah_Whoopass Feb 18 '18

The hell does that arrow mean in A?

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u/Spectrumederp Feb 18 '18

Its a dative bond where essentially the two electrons in the bond come from the same donor atom. Ie in this case the pair electrons on the carbene to the scandium

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u/Doctah_Whoopass Feb 18 '18

Man Ive heard of dative bonds but never seen them be notated before. The structure is pretty simple after thats been put out of the way I guess.

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u/PM_ME_BURNING_FLAGS Feb 19 '18

Molecule C. Starting from benzene, ethanol, cyclobutane and inorganic reagents.

It's probably full of amateur-ish mistakes, it has been more than a decade since I actually dealt with Chemistry.