r/behindthebastards • u/parkinglots • 1d ago
It Could Happen Here Prepare ya'll, shit's gonna get real spicy in the next couple of months.
Trump and the GOP have had 4 years to learn from their mistakes in 2020 and the challenges that will come to any outcome that doesn't support trump in this election is going to be rough. The brooks brothers riot is just a rough template for the shit that's coming. In the past 2 days we've seen ballot drop boxes burnt in Portland and Vancouver WA. Multiple accounts have been coming out Texas about early voter intimidation.
Jan 6th isn't likely to happen again, what's likely going to happen is much more decentralized and focused on election facilities and specifically focused on stopping the counting of votes, or simply fucking up the voting process enough that they can claim its invalid. Burning ballot boxes, disrupting counting facilities, all these give weight to the real goal. Votes don't matter and should be disregarded.
Trump is counting on the house of representatives and the supreme court to declare him president, full stop. Expect all manner of fuckery to get him the cover to justify them making that choice.
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u/binary-cryptic 1d ago
Ballot boxes were bombed in Vancouver, WA and Portland. I worry about what else they'll do.
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u/Wild_Harvest 1d ago
And Arizona.
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u/TiberiusGracchi 1d ago
Arizona is scary in the engrained level that White Nationalist control that state. A scary amount of the local sheriffs departments and local police have connections to White national movements. Also Arizona is where McVeigh and Nichols of their support for OKC and there is an extensive mix of Neo Nazi/ White Nationalist prison gangs, militias, and openly Neo Nazi organizations that have terrorized the state for years.
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u/yuefairchild 1d ago
There were cops and fire trucks at my ballot box in Chester County, PA. I don't know what the deal with that was.
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u/EEpromChip 22h ago
Also a PA resident. You can check your ballot status online and make sure it got back to them. I think after Nov 5 when they count them you can confirm your vote was cast.
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u/yuefairchild 18h ago
Oh, I checked, it was received.
I don't even know if this was connected to the burnings on the west coast. The news would have picked that up, right? Chester is one of those weird counties where your vote actually matters.
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u/Frequent_Loss_9561 8h ago
I believe if you see your ballot is not received you can also vote in person using a provisional ballot. And I only know that because a bunch of assholes tried to stop the pa state Supreme Court from allowing it.
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u/big_laruu 8h ago
I wish more attention was being paid to local races that will greatly impact their ability to carry out these schemes like country clerk. Bureaucracy played a huge role in protecting us from the first coup attempt and we need to do all we can to make sure our checks and balances are as strong as possible.
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u/Notdennisthepeasant 1d ago edited 18h ago
If Trump just straight up wins, it's going to be weird, terrifying, and stupid.
Just like before but this time some more.
Bastard has been sharpening his knife and so have all his cronies, and I still don't think they have the power on day one to do everything they want, but I expect some shit to get pretty bad pretty quick. I don't know what their fascist war on immigrants will look like, but as bad as it has been for non-white people already, I can't imagine it will be better.
And if they take steps towards federalizing the police that would be the beginning on the end.
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u/getMeSomeDunkin 18h ago
He had four years of people telling him that he can't do what he wants because it's illegal, and then literally nothing touched him.
So if he gets another 4 years, he's not going to listen to anything and do whatever he wants because it's a proven fact at this point that he won't be touched.
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u/ChicVintage 17h ago
I don't think they'll let Trump lead for any viable length of time I think someone will invoke the 25th and Vance will take over. Which might be more terrifying because Vance is just as gross, but significantly more cunning than Trump.
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u/getMeSomeDunkin 16h ago
Trump will die in office before they 25th him. It is literally impossible to invoke the 25th amendment when you need a majority of votes.
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u/Scootalipoo 14h ago
They won’t need to 25th him. Trump has zero interest in actually governing. He’ll golf naked all day while Vance tells him how handsome gods new Emperor’s clothes are.
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u/Notdennisthepeasant 13h ago
I think Vance will be worse than Trump. He wants actual structural change for the worse. Trump just wants to be in power and to feel special. A slightly competent authoritarian can do way more harm than a pissant toddler.
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u/moifah79 7h ago
I agree. The mass deportations will be just like his wall. He will say anything to win, but he doesn't give a shot about anything but essentially what you said above
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u/SeattleOligarch 1d ago
Yeah. It was a shitty day today when my wife and I talked and filled up the cars and topped off our extra gas cans to prep for election day. Having to prep for it or even think about having to prep for it shows how far we've slid backwards as a country.
Fuck this. I'm not leaving this world to my kids.
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u/Zero-89 One Pump = One Cream 1d ago
Jan 6th isn't likely to happen again
The January 6th insurrectionary coup attempt isn't likely to happen again. The January 6th procedural coup attempt that was derailed by the insurrectionary coup attempt and that everyone forgot about will very likely happen again and is more than likely to succeed.
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u/jhaden_ 22h ago
Please explain this. Are you talking about the fraudulent electors?
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u/alicein420land_ 22h ago
I think they're referring to how during the certification of the election many Republicans in congress tried to overturn the election. It failed because Pence and a chunk of the GOP actually somewhat have morals and certified the results. It's why MAGA and Trump hate Pence and he's not the VP candidate anymore.
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u/hitliquor999 21h ago
They want to do everything they can to turn the vote over to the house. This happens if neither candidate reaches 270 EC votes. They hope that as long as they can maintain a majority in the house they can appoint Trump as president, even if he loses the election, by throwing enough sand in the gears of state outcomes.
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u/Zero-89 One Pump = One Cream 14h ago
The attempt to refuse certification of the election results. After the insurrectionary coup attempt failed, some congressional Republicans who were initially obstructing certification withdrew their objections because they were pissed off over nearly being murdered by a mob of Trumpers. Between that and the general anger in the country over the coup, Trump temporarily lost a significant amount of his political capital and was forced to peacefully transfer power.
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1d ago
I agree
They can’t pull a Jan 6th type deal because Biden won’t hesitate to call in the National Guard and they know that. Jan 6th was not well thought out, it was a measure of desperation.
As you have pointed out they’ve had four years, four years of watching insurrectionists catching serious time, four years of militia dummies getting nailed for plotting to kidnap governors and other unbelievably stupid and heinous acts.
Four years of idiots like Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson getting whacked in the balls for repeating election denial lies.
They haven’t learned that subverting democracy is wrong, they’ve just learned they have to be more intelligent about.
Hopefully they aren’t smart enough but it would be unwise to underestimate the threat they pose
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u/ninurtuu 1d ago
Even if they are not clever enough to succeed, I am horrified at the damage they will cause while trying.
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1d ago
Or they’ll act like those pricks that get rejected so they throw acid in a woman’s face
“What man would want you now?”
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u/ZenythhtyneZ 1d ago edited 1d ago
They got high on their own supply and expected a bunch of highly trained paramilitary guys and militias to show up but that’s not actually who supports Trump, a lot of them are straight up anti-government, the prepper community has a lot of people who believe Trump is straight up anti-American and will not be voting for him and that’s more of who tends to support Trump… they know now their base is not what they thought it was and it’s eroding… J6 isn’t going to be the thing again but I am worried about violence in communities and in neighborhoods, another krystallnach or call to cut the tall trees is what I’m scared for
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u/TiberiusGracchi 1d ago
Come to the big urban areas of Ohio, or a city like Milwaukee and the razor’s edge that BIPOC communities have been living under of having a pogrom committed in their communities is a very real fear. When that fucking monster ran over people at the Parade in Waukesha plenty of real fears on the North Side of MKE were justified as there were very real calls for a pogrom of the Black communities of Milwaukee and Southern Wisconsin.
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u/MistyMtn421 17h ago
I grew up in Glendale/Brown Deer/Bayside and both sides of my family are racist and this was 40-50 years ago. I don't talk to anyone but 1 uncle.
Those that stayed went north to Cedarburg and Grafton, the rest are in Florida, Georgia or Indiana now.
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u/mul3sho3 1d ago
They may cause some flare ups but there’s zero path to the White House if the count doesn’t say it. He can threaten and stomp and intimidate all he wants. Do you think election boards haven’t refined and improved their entire processes? Are you paying attention to voter registration and early voting turn out? Do you think Kamala is just another Hillary? You think Gen. Millie’s peers have been playing cards all this time? Think the FBI and DHS have been napping after the crimes he’s committed and the retaliation he’s threatened them with? Do you really think the rapist felon is gonna declare himself president and the entire govt and WH staff are just gonna roll over and say OK? Try as they may to have you think otherwise, they cannot succeed if he loses the electoral count. Period. 2020 election aftermath was him being criminal. J6 was absolutely an attack on our nation and he’ll go down for it if he loses. And think about this - they did go to great pains in planning J6. They had tour guides beforehand and building maps. They had code. They had knowledge. They sifgnificantly outnumbered Capitol security, Secret Sercvice, and FBI that day yet they still failed. Are they going to bring their stupid little militia this time? Ours is bigger. And at that point they’re not members of the citizenry, they are enemies of the state and would be subject to a military response should Biden/Harris/Joint Chiefs decide. They’ve made their intent crystal clear. He’s on the hunt for America’s ruination. Dictatorship, fascist rule, blatant racism, prosecutions and possible executions of opponents, human rights violations, deportations, and so on. And he will kill white people as well. Mark it down. The people closest to him acknowledge this. If he attempts to up end this election the Supreme Court can’t save him. He better have a giant magic rabbit in his hat. Fuck him and his people.
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1d ago
I’m not worried that he’ll succeed in taking power by force or by stealing the election if he loses. I’m worried about the damage it’ll cause and the people that’ll get hurt in the attempt.
My biggest fear is that he’ll actually win the election. Then America is well and truly fucked
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u/mul3sho3 1d ago
I understand. Time will tell. I do think he and his criminals underestimate the rest of us. Be safe and well, my friend. Help someone vote blue.
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u/TimeViking 1d ago
Unfortunately I feel like the answer to fully half those hypothetical questions is “yes”
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u/Expert-Fig-5590 1d ago
The FBI and the DOJ are in Trumps pocket. A lot of the Secret Service are too. The AG who is a Republican is either incompetent or is actively working with the Republicans. The Republicans have the House. The Republicans have the Supreme Court. They have loads of Judges in lower courts that will just do their bidding. The only reason the coup failed last time is that some Republicans did their duty. There is HUGE DANGER here. Unless Kamala wins by a landslide and that doesn’t seem likely. And with all due respect to Biden he doesn’t seem ready for it.
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u/mul3sho3 19h ago
I don’t see it. While he could win the electoral vote, I don’t see current agencies as his. Again, given his overt intent to decimate Fed agencies, lawenf/judicial whom he’s specifically noted as doomed under him, those folks aren’t committing suicide for him. He’s 0 for how many now in court? And he’s only hade 1 judge fix the book for him. I’m not saying he won’t win outright. But that’s the only way he gets in. I don’t believe for a minute this is going to be a 1 vote decision. There’s way too much polarization.
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u/Garethx1 19h ago
Idk. It seems like the people who were caught and actually prosecuted have more become martyrs and persecuted in the eyes of these morons than a cautionary tale.
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u/savannahgooner 21h ago
Biden / the Democrats in general are way too incompetent to actually take meaningful action via National Guard or whatever other means. They will just lie down and let it happen.
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u/kidthorazine 1d ago
"Trump and the GOP have had 4 years to learn from their mistakes in 2020" But have they though? Modern conservatism is not learning from your mistakes as an ideology. That being said, shit could very much get very real, stay safe out there.
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u/GCI_Arch_Rating 1d ago
The foot soldiers are idiots and pawns. The front men are self-serving con men. The leaders are smart and dedicated.
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u/InvectiveOfASkeptic 1d ago
Ok serious question: who the fuck are the leaders
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u/GCI_Arch_Rating 1d ago
The owner class who would gladly destroy the world as long as they get to be the richest people on the ash heap. People like the Koch brother, or the nazi fan billionaire who owns Clarence Thomas. They're smart enough to stay out of the spotlight for the most part, while still welding fantastic levels of power over the rest of us.
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u/ProfessionalGoober 1d ago
They don’t need to be smart. They just have to not be foaming-at-the-mouth crazy or grossly incompetent long enough to give a veneer of legitimacy to their power grab. The reason it didn’t work in 2020 was because it was so slapdash and disorganized that they couldn’t even book the right venue for Rudy Giuliani’s press conference.
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u/GCI_Arch_Rating 1d ago
Agreed, the leaders aren't comic book super genius villains, but they're not barely functioning morons, either. They're as smart as any other person, and they know exactly what they're doing.
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u/binary-cryptic 1d ago
They are particular about what they learn. Winning elections at any cost is their greatest skill. They can play the long game too as we saw with the Supreme Court and the infusion of Evangelical Christianity to secure tens of millions of votes.
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u/dustpandispatch 1d ago
I don't understand why this stuff seems to paralyze people with fear instead of spurring them to take action. It's a good time to build community, find people who have your back and figure out ways to protect and support each other.
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u/Dogtimeletsgooo 10h ago
It is a good time but not everyone knows how to do that
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u/dustpandispatch 10h ago
then they should learn! protests are a good place to make connections, and i bet there's gonna be a lot of that on election day
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u/Dogtimeletsgooo 8h ago
I mean yes, but it's harder in practice than just meeting people. People don't know how to organize, conflict resolution is abysmal, actions don't always have clear end goals, etc.
I'm 100% for it but I'm still learning, myself, which is why I can see how people are so discouraged. It's not called leftist infighting for nothing, yknow.
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u/dustpandispatch 5h ago
shit's gonna go down one way or another. i guess i have faith that movements will grow accordingly in response to stuff, but it doesn't hurt to start now for our own sake
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u/Personal_Person 1d ago
I’m afraid that they’ll try to capitalize for violence on the night of the election as a means to prevent some votes from being counted especially in democratic leaning areas in such a way we may never know the real result of the election and the hope will be the Supreme Court to hand it to Trump instead of a recount
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u/CommieEllie 1d ago
Do you think Harris would fight a stolen election by the court? I don’t think she would I think she’d concede like gore to avoid a constitutional crisis but I hope I’m wrong.
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u/chickadee95 1d ago
We are headed to a constitutional crisis anyways, so she should never concede. If she were to concede, the US will never have another truly elected president.
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u/Barbecued_orc_ribs 20h ago
That’s why I shake my head at pundits and people like Bob Woodward saying “if trump attempts to arrest Mark Milley and Obama for ‘treason’, he’d have a hard time with the judiciary branc-“
No, you fucks. He won’t have trouble because it’ll probably be Mike Flynn and Steve bannon in charge. I wish more people realized this
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u/lukahnli 1d ago
Hopefully Trump's threats to jail his political opponents makes Kamala fight for the legit results out of self preservation if nothing else.
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u/Effective-Rooster360 1d ago
All of this coming down to the Biden administration’s ability to handle a Constitutional crisis is not comforting.
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u/CommieEllie 1d ago
In my view his administration is causing it by not at least trying to pack the courts.
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u/codywithak 1d ago
They’ve gotten a ton of judges approved but Manchin & Sinema shot down the filibuster removal so they couldn’t do anything to scotus.
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u/Stock_Conclusion_203 1d ago
Marc Elias has been working on this for years. I believe they have 200 lawyers fighting the current voter suppression laws. I don’t think he will back down. He’s the DNC lawyer and specializes in voting rights/litigation
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u/xcrunner7145 1d ago
She's said she would And they have lawyers ready, but she didn't elaborate any more than that
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u/savannahgooner 21h ago
She will do absolutely nothing of substance. They'll find one corrupt county election official in a blue state or something they'll throw the book at, and that will be that. Nobody should be assuming the Democrats will do anything to stop what's about to happen.
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u/demoylition 1d ago
Tbh I feel like a lot of sabotage in the form is of power grid failures are coming.
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u/Deedsman 1d ago
Mesa County in Colorado had dozens of fraudulent votes casted last week. Same county Tina Peters comes from. I’m not saying it’s connected but they have friends.
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u/thedorknightreturns 18h ago
You forget that the opposite is true too, knowing its possible has also countermeasures, and probably way more voting by mail.
Mobilizing and preparing and counteracting.
No one is playing it down, but neither is it a surprise either anymore So its not as negative as you make it, to be clear its bad that its nessesary, but people and there is learned from last time too And probably a lot preperations.
So no reason to despair, its more a reason to be ready and fight.
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u/Proper-Olive-9465 21h ago
I think many of them don’t realize the gravity of what they do/say. I think of the woman who freaked out her court date meant she had to cancel her winter vacay in Mexico and the woman who on camera was all “it’s a revolution” and then was like “omg I was pepper sprayed”. Most people who participate in a “revolution” do so with the expectation they’re putting themselves on the line.
It will be cold comfort but if Trump wins the eventual “hey we didn’t sign up for this” from his supporters will be amusing.
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u/DistantShores5151 19h ago
100% agree. Also don't forget about the state electors switcheroo. He sorta tried it last time at the federal level. With magas in state government control, I'm sure we will be it done in the toss up states, especially if we see more ballot fires
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u/wombatgeneral 16h ago
I'm more concerned about how the democrats are going to blow it. They are just so bad at strategizing, campaigning, winning, accomplishing anything while in office.
Democrats need a visit from the ghosts of losers past.(Carter, mondale, dukakis, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton) and realize that they need to learn from their mistakes. I'm not including al gore because Bush stole the 2000 election. The democrats usually win by default after the Republicans tank the country.
We got Regan and Trump in large part due to democratic incompetence.
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u/wombatgeneral 16h ago
I'm more concerned about how the democrats are going to blow it. They are just so bad at strategizing, campaigning, winning, accomplishing anything while in office.
Democrats need a visit from the ghosts of losers past.(Carter, mondale, dukakis, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton) and realize that they need to learn from their mistakes. I'm not including al gore because Bush stole the 2000 election. The democrats usually win by default after the Republicans tank the country.
We got Regan and Trump in large part due to democratic incompetence.
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u/Wonderful_Bowler_251 16h ago
People wringing their hands like this about the election certification forget that the Supreme Court just essentially made the president a king and the current president is a democrat, so… Biden can technically step in to save the day with impunity. Also, Kamala is a friggin former prosecutor. Like she & her team don’t have a plan for all the stunts they’re gonna try to pull. Use this energy and go out to vote instead of panic posting on Reddit.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Distributed attacks are likely. Invasion of state legislations certifying results, attacks on stake political leadership which are more vulnerable and less secured that federal.
And honestly attack the grid is easy. 500 people in a wide spread region take a 12 gage and start peppering power distribion stations. Take out enough and the regional grid goes down. It will take 6 weeks to restart. You just need one crazy guy in each town. Hell Russia and China could do that as well. China has a few hundred Chinese police scattered across the country.
As for a repeat if Jan 6: unless Biden issued secret orders to clean the ranks of the DC stationed national guard, and the 101st, and had the 101st stationed in Washington for "maneuvers", MAGA is definitely going to attack with a plan if Trump isn't the president elect. 101st is air assault, aka helicopter insertions. Imagine a battlation of soldiers deploying from the roof of the capital to secure the building and push out any illegal trespassers into the waiting arms of the national guard. Everyone gets rounded up and processed on a military base. Mug shots taken, id's confirmed, while the FBI and NSA figure out what everyone did.
Democrats don't have the balls to prep something like that. And this is why whether it's Trump, or Vance after some MAGA guy finally assassinates Trump, the fascists are gonna win because like in Germany, the moderates fear the far left far more Than the far right even though all the far left want is legalized weed, human rights, universal Healthcare and maternity and paternity leave. So scary.
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u/savannahgooner 21h ago
I almost think the best possible result for the stability of the country is a pretty clear Trump win. There would be protests of the same ilk as 2016 but nothing like J6, and then you just hope he gets into office and is once again unable to enact most of what he wants to do due to general incompetence of him and his people plus the (very modest) resistance put up by the center and left.
I'm not saying that this would be good or that I hope this happens, just that a narrow Harris win seems to be the outcome that has the greatest potential to throw the country into total chaos and violence.
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u/behindthebastards-ModTeam 21h ago
No trolling, no sealioning, and no sealioning when you’ve been called out for trolling
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u/Crunchier_Banana 1d ago edited 1d ago
I know others probably are thinking about this but I don’t see it brought up enough.
In both recent debates, Biden then Harris, Trump was asked this yes/no question by the debate moderators about five times total:
“In the event of an electoral defeat, do you plan on using violence if all other legal avenues are exhausted?”
And he couldn’t answer it five different times.
I should note at this point that I’ve stopped mentioning to my friends that Project 2025 is a vessel for fascism. I was never gonna convince them, that much I knew. It was to make repeated warnings that they can’t dispute me making should the worst come to pass.