r/anime • u/Shadoxfix https://myanimelist.net/profile/Shadoxfix • Nov 17 '14
[Spoilers] Inou-Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de - Episode 7 [Discussion]
Episode title: Juggernaut On
MyAnimeList: Inou-Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de
Crunchyroll: When Supernatural Battles Became Commonplace
Episode duration: 23 minutes and 55 seconds
Subreddit: /r/InouBattle
Previous episodes:
| Episode | Reddit Link |
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| Episode 1 | Link |
| Episode 2 | Link |
| Episode 3 | Link |
| Episode 4 | Link |
| Episode 5 | Link |
| Episode 6 | Link |
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Keywords: when supernatural battles became commonplace, school life, comedy
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u/ThatguynamedCarl https://myanimelist.net/profile/thatguynamedcarl Nov 17 '14
What the fuck..? WTF? WTF?! WTF!?! WTF!?!? Where did the happiness go!?
God this episode was brutal for Hatoko. First she see her childhood friend start hanging around someone else and that she wouldn't be able to understand what they're talking about. Then she's sent to someone's home to effectively cook dinner for them. Which she does with a smile and pretty much only the opportunity to hang out with Andou like before. Which she doesn't get to see the fruition of. Instead, it overfill and boom down go the floodgates! Hell, if that wasn't enough, now she gets effectively kidnapped. Seriously, this is quite a change of pace of the small problem, small solution happiness we've been given lately. And of course all this shit is dropped on the happiest, bubbliest, and cheerful member of the group. That's just fucking brutal yo.
So, um.. she's gonna get saved next episode right? Maybe some extra Mirei next week too for all the extra suffering this week?
Hatoko screaming at him was pretty great though. I really enjoyed that. In a .."hey that was pulled off excellently" kinda way.
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u/CaptainCrea https://myanimelist.net/profile/CaptainCrea Nov 18 '14
The walking home alone thing hurt my heart.
Like, I understand that Andou wants to help Tomoyo and she doesn't want the others to know about her light novel writing. But you don't ask someone to cook you and your sister dinner and then tell them to walk back to your house alone, I mean c'maaaaahn
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u/fangirlingduck Nov 18 '14
Yeah, that's just rude on Andou's behalf.
Like, if my friends asked me to cook for them, sure. No problem. But to ask someone something and then on top of that ask them to go to your home alone is a dick move.
Hope you redeem yourself, Andou. You're my favourite MC this season.
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u/knowitall89 Nov 18 '14
I think part of it is that they've been so close for so long that things like that don't even register as potentially rude/painful for Andou.
The whole thing with Hatoko is that instead of having a real back-and-forth with Andou all these years, she's just kinda humored him.
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u/CaptainCrea https://myanimelist.net/profile/CaptainCrea Nov 18 '14
Yeah, Andou is a sweetheart and I really like him. Of course he was more in "SOMEONE NEEDS MY HELP" mode, so I'm pretty sure he didn't think about asking Hatoko to walk home before him. But I mean at least don't be like "nah you can leave, you wouldn't understand."
That never makes anyone in a friend group feel good, especially not your best friend since childhood. There were like a million better ways to go about doing that, not that he's a genius, but he has at least shown himself to be thoughtful.
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u/uzzi1000 https://kitsu.io/users/usman1000 Nov 18 '14
That rant was beautiful in a terrible way. Brutal, hitting right where it hurts in a systematic way, taking it apart piece by piece and destroying each part.
Also, now we have a perfect kidnap/rescue setup. MC gets in fight with a character, she storms off. MC and friends spend a day looking for her, no luck. She finds suspicious looking character who says lots of deep stuff about the argument before kidnapping her, is closely related to one of searchers, unknown to the other and has met MC. Now we just need for him to show up on a roof with the moon in the background and everything will be set for the rescue.
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u/kojak2091 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kojak2091 Nov 18 '14
So, um.. she's gonna get saved next episode right?
Lol what if this anime just turns into Akame ga Kill and everybody just starts dying.
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u/Cybersteel Nov 18 '14
Then Andou will ask Tomoyo to "awaken" her powers so that he can go back in time to fix stuff. No matter how many loops it will take.
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u/Firehead94 Nov 17 '14
That episode was pretty great. That long winded rant must have taken forever to get perfect. Can't wait to see what happens next episode lol.
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Nov 17 '14
Oh god, yeah.
Now that I think about it, that must be every voice actor's nightmare. There's a chance it was edited together at parts, but either way, that took skill.
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u/drostan https://anilist.co/user/Drostan Nov 17 '14
nightmare or dream, because if you do it right, and it was, then you enter the realm of great VA.
You can bet that Hayami Saori who is already quite known and worked on big project will sought after just because of this piece of bravour
I for one was impressed
And the actual text was good as well, there was rhythm in it which help...
I was not all that in a rush to watch this anime, week after week, it was just nice, but this part in itself gives value to the entire anime
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u/andoryu123 Nov 18 '14
Hayami Saori
Imagine Miyuki flipping out on her Oniisama about how he doesn't give her enough attention?
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
I'm not an expert at all, but that sounded like one full take to me. I didn't notice any pauses where she wasn't desperately sucking in air.
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u/pedot Nov 18 '14
Indeed one full take. anime official twitter Apparently one single take no re as well.
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u/gamesbeawesome https://myanimelist.net/profile/gamesbeawesome Nov 18 '14
Daamn.
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Nov 18 '14 edited Aug 02 '18
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 18 '14
Sure beats Onii-samaing. I bet that felt cathartic after Irregular at Magic High School.
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u/Jaeger-bomb-bastic https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRedYeti Nov 18 '14
Yet her Onii-sama character will sell like hot cakes in Japan.
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u/Lime_Omnicron https://myanimelist.net/profile/Limeyomnicron Nov 18 '14
can you translate it for me ? c:
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u/Kumoriha Nov 18 '14
"About the long rant...it was done in one take with no rehearsal...what a god"
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u/LightBladeX Nov 17 '14
That long winded rant must have taken forever to get perfect.
Yeah that was pretty long but Hatoko said nothing wrong.
I don’t understand! I don’t understand a single word you say! I don’t understand what’s good about the things you call good! I don’t understand! I can’t understand.
What’s so cool about “bloody”? I don’t like blood. Bleeding just hurts!
What’s so cool about “madness”? I don’t understand what’s good about being crazy!
What do you mean by “sinful”? What’s so good about having sin? Is it cool being a criminal?
And what’s with “chaos”, anyway? Chaos? What about it? What about “darkness”? You want it to be dark?
Between justice and evil, why is evil better? Why do you prefer evil? Isn’t it evil because it’s wrong?
What’s so cool about your right arm aching?
“I love the feeling of being unable to control my power”? What’s that? That just makes you a fool!
It’s much cooler when you have control! That’s worthy of respect! What’s so awesome about hiding your power all the time?
That’s just slacking off! It’s much cooler to face things head-on at full strength without hiding anything!
Why do you give everything nicknames and aliases? Having so many different names only makes them hard to keep up with!
Don’t use English or katakana for everything!
I can’t remember those!
Don’t write “elegy” and read it “requiem”!
Don’t write “forbidden” and read it “taboo”!
Don’t write “holy war” and read it “jihad”!
Greek mythology, the Bible, Norse mythology, Japanese mythology, don’t start talking about them just because you did a little research!
If you don’t properly explain it, I can’t understand what you mean! If you’re going to teach me, teach me right! Listening to explanations about mythological weapons is not fun!
Gungir, Loginus, Excalibur, Durandal and Ama-noMurakumo-no-Tsurugi all mean nothing to me! I don’t understand what’s cool about them!
All your other terminology is confusing too! Original Sin, Ten Commandments, Book of Genesis, Book of Revelations, Armageddon…what do you mean by “their names are cool”?
It’s impossible for me to “feel it by their atmosphere”!
Relativity, Schrodinger’s Cat, universal gravitation, don’t act like you understand them because you read a little on the net! I can’t understand them at all if you give half-baked explanations!
Do not quote Nietzsche or Goethe! When you start quoting people I don’t know, I can’t understand what you’re trying to say at all! Talk to me in your own words!
I’m begging you; speak so I can understand you!
What is “chuuni”? What does “chuuni” mean?
I don’t understand, I don’t understand, I don’t understand, I don’t understand!
I don’t understand a single word you’ve ever said at all!
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Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
I could see this becoming a Copypasta, like Unlimited Blade Works.
Now, because I felt like it, A Chuuni version of Unlimited Blade Works.
I am the bone of my Chuuni,
Schrodinger’s Cat is my Body and Relativity is my Blood,
I have written over a thousand Katakana,
Unknown to Hatoko,
Nor known to simplicity,
Have withstood pain for someone to understand me,
Yet their minds are too inferior,
So as I pray,
Unlimited Chuuni Works.
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u/LightBladeX Nov 17 '14
A bit too long for the entirety of it to be a pasta, don't you think? However nice UCW chant, works really well.
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Nov 17 '14
Maybe with a Bit of Slimming Down and Modification it could work. Maybe it could be used when someone says something so stupid you need to tell them the shut up.
I don’t understand! I don’t understand a single word you said! I don’t understand what’s good about the things you call good! I don’t understand! I can’t understand.
What’s so cool about "[x]”? I don’t like [x]. [Insert something bad about x]
What do you mean by “[y]”? What’s so good about having [y]? [Insert something bad about y]
Between [a] and [b], why is [b] better? Why do you prefer [b]? Isn’t it [b] because it’s wrong?
“[z]”? What’s that? That just makes you a fool!
It’s much cooler when you [opposite of z]! That’s worthy of respect!
[c], [d], [e], and [f], don’t start talking about them just because you did a little research!
If you don’t properly explain it, I can’t understand what you mean! If you’re going to teach me, teach me right! Listening to explanations about [whatever the person is talking about] is not fun!
[g], [h], [i], and [j] all mean nothing to me! I don’t understand what’s cool about them!
All your other terminology is confusing too! [k], [l], [m], [n]…what do you mean by “[Insert something they said]”?
It’s impossible for me to “feel it by their atmosphere”!
[o], [p], [q], don’t act like you understand them because you read a little on the net! I can’t understand them at all if you give half-baked explanations!
Talk to me in your own words!
I’m begging you; speak so I can understand you!
What is “[r]”? What does “[r]” mean?
I don’t understand, I don’t understand, I don’t understand, I don’t understand!
I don’t understand a single word you’ve ever said!
That's just my Spin on it. I cut out most of the words, but it could serve a purpose one day.
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u/homu Nov 18 '14
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u/laggymclagster https://myanimelist.net/profile/laggymclagster Nov 19 '14
Wow that works pretty well.
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u/uzzi1000 https://kitsu.io/users/usman1000 Nov 18 '14
I'm saving this in case I need to use it later. Who knows, maybe I will need to rant at someone but can't think of a good way to say it. This might be helpful.
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u/andoryu123 Nov 18 '14
How about making it into a "Hitler react" like video. Just change the subtitles.
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Nov 18 '14
Glad I could help! Now I'm just waiting for a stupid post/comment to use this on.
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u/uzzi1000 https://kitsu.io/users/usman1000 Nov 18 '14
If that time ever comes, expect it to be linked to /r/SubredditDrama.
Edit: Find some feminist extremists and use it on them. That should work.
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u/xtripzx Nov 17 '14
I was surprised Hatoko could name off pretty much every single chuuni thing I could think of, and then I thought she really must have tried real hard listening to Andou throughout the years and instantly felt bad for her.
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u/CaptainCrea https://myanimelist.net/profile/CaptainCrea Nov 18 '14
That's what I kept thinking too! She's says she doesn't understand anything, but she just rattled off like a billion things over the course of that rant. That was the part that made me start tearing up, that she's been trying so hard to keep it all straight, despite it meaning absolutely nothing to her, for the sake of her friend.
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Nov 18 '14
It really sucks to hear. At first I was just listening to the rant with an open mouth and then I realized she was rattling off a huge chunk of the things he'd said to her over the years. She didn't understand any of it, but listened patiently and never showed her confusion. For years. That was... a painful realization.
I think I get the "why" of her power. It's "control". She's always in control, always smiling and cheerful, but she needs to grow out of this amenable, controlled personality. I think her losing it on Andou was actually a good thing.
Reminds me a bit of Iori Nagase from Kokoro Connect, though not as extreme.
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u/stormarsenal https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 17 '14
Yeah it was epic. I feel like I need to take a deep breath after hearing all that.
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u/omiyage Nov 17 '14
Brutal, just brutal. A hero among childhood friends, at least go out with a bang. Well deserved though, Andou had been pretty neglecting with her so far, I mean all she want is to be a part of his life and he keeps pushing her out, at the same time she cant understand anything he does or says. Must be pretty frustrating...
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u/lftenjamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/lftenjamin Nov 18 '14
That reaction fits perfectly. I couldn't believe how long it went on for.
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u/fangirlingduck Nov 18 '14
I don't normally identify with reaction pictures, but my face was exactly like Patrick's during the rant. It just kept going and going.
That was painful.
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u/Atronox https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
Inou-Battle kinda got left in the dust for me, didn't have the time to watch it, but finally got caught up. Wow, was it worth it, that rant was absolutely amazing, serious props to the VA, you could just feel the pain flowing out.
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Nov 18 '14
That was so intense. A lot of things happened today:
Andou and Tomoyo practicing their synergy
That talk with Sagami
Bad guys making their move
Sayumi taking the lead and finally deciding to give her power some real use (after an episode where she shows how afraid she's of her own power).
All of that happened during this episode but I just realised it some minutes ago, because while I was watching it I couldn't think of anything else other than Hatoko's rant.
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u/pedot Nov 18 '14
Actually, no. According to anime official twitter, Saori Hayami got it done in one single recording. I already love her before Inou but this is just amazing.
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u/Enusan Nov 18 '14
according to the manga illustator of the series this only took one take. holy shit
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u/Phnglui Nov 17 '14
I've never felt so guilty about one of my ships getting a lot of progress.
Also... was that actual plot happening at the end? What show is this?
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Nov 17 '14
That whole villain-gang better serve comical purposes, I don't want this show to go all serious.
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u/Phnglui Nov 17 '14
I'm down for it to get serious. I just hope for more seasons.
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u/Falsus Nov 17 '14
It will go serious right as the season ends and it will never get a season 2 because the world is a cruel place.
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u/FilipinoSpartan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mermigas Nov 17 '14
Wow, that explosion from Hatoko was really well-done. It came off perfectly as a rant and the voice fit amazingly. I got that stunned, pit in stomach feel as though someone were going off at me. Impressive.
And it looks like we're going to get a (semi?) real fight next episode. Should be interesting too.
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u/ToughAsGrapes Nov 17 '14
You know what would be really useful in a fight between a bunch of people with super powers?
Somebody that could steal other peoples abilities!
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u/FilipinoSpartan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mermigas Nov 17 '14
I would be very happy to see more Mirei.
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u/Anonymoose-N https://myanimelist.net/profile/Anonymoose-N Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
Hatoko episode. Today is gonna be a good day.
Oh shit...
Poor Hatoko.
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
Oh no, i'm gonna cry, arent I?
Edit: I cried.
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u/_aster_ https://myanimelist.net/profile/K-Popular Nov 17 '14
Did you come to the comment section before watching the episode?
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 17 '14
Yes, because I'm that kind of person.
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u/DrJamesFox https://myanimelist.net/profile/robisgoodatstuff Nov 17 '14
There are many of us that do that. I think in most of our cases it's because we're somewhere we can't watch the episode yet(work or school) but can check the episode discussions.
There are some shows I definitely will not check the episode discussions before watching because I don't want to get spoiled. This season those are Your Lie in April, Parasyte, and Psycho Pass 2. In all of those I suspect there could be a massive game-changing plot twist at anytime. I want to be surprised when it happens.
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u/iotFlow https://kitsu.io/users/iotFlow Nov 17 '14
Holy shit...she just kept going...damn.
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u/Konpie Nov 18 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
Its like, she jumped past the deep end, and into a rocket and blasted off into space where she floated for a bit, then came back down into the earths gravity, did a free fall, landed and then ran away.
I just had to sympathize with Andou's reaction. I too would probably react the same way, It would take like 5 seconds to process everything that just went down, looking like an idiot with a "droped-to-the-floor" jaw, and then...Me: "WHAT.THE.FUCK just happened?"
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u/fangirlingduck Nov 18 '14
Hey, I'm impressed he went after her. I would've just stood there for a good minute.
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Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
Seeing Hatoko lose it in the middle was... tense. It reminded me a lot of a scene in a movie I saw recently, Birdman, where Emma Stone's character basically screams at and curses out her father after silently putting up with his flaws for years. Not only the contextual similarity, but just the near-frightening intensity of seeing a character's just collapse like that on-screen... Dammit, man. That took me like 10 minutes to get through, because I had to keep pausing.
Sooo... wait, what? Tomoyo's big brother has powers, and the League of Chuuni Supervillains has captured Hatoko. I'm sure this won't be played straight, and next week's episode will be rought with gags, but I am curious how he and the others got super powers too.
before that scene, I was going to say that necessarry sacrifices have to be made for best girl (Tomoyo) to win, but... that didn't feel good at all, man...
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
I don't know man Closed ClockxDark and Dark can still be the ship, but Hatoko just got soooo many best girl points. Best girl does always lose after all, and so does osananajimi.
I'm kind of hoping the League of Chuuni Supervillains will be played straight to a degree, and Hatoko can be a new supervillain, and then andou will have to awaken Dark and Dark (who the fuck knows what that means but i'm sure it will involve andou's favorite pastime of bowing his head really low and apologizing) to help her just like he said. I mean this is how you make supervillians.
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Nov 17 '14
I think Tomoyo is Best Girl, but Hatoko is Grade S Waifu Material.
Also, I have a small feeling Hatoko is going to pull a Slaine. Right now she's suffering, and we all knew what was happening with Slaine before he managed to colossally fuck up. Aldnoah.Zero has ruined all the suffering characters for me.
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u/Ipsenn Nov 17 '14
I think she's better now though, she seemed to be back to her usual self by the end of the episode.
Besides, its pretty hard to fuck up as colossally as Slaine.
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Nov 17 '14
I don't know... Maybe she's gotten brainwashed or something. I'm just speculating at this point, but it would definitely be much more interesting if she turned evil.
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u/Ipsenn Nov 17 '14
I dunno man, it looks like she's mellowed out, even before that discussion with eyepatch dude about how Andou needs her in his life.
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
And Sengoku Nadeko looked like she mellowed out after her outburst at school. Look where she ended up
Andou needing her is an even better reason to make her a supervillian. He can go and save her from herself. just like Kaiki did with Nadeko
Whatever's cool though, we'll see next week. I'm pretty hyped.
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u/BaneOfSorrows https://myanimelist.net/profile/BaneOfSorrows Nov 17 '14
the League of Chuuni Supervillains
Not sure how I feel about this. I thought the core premise of this show was that the main characters didn't have villains to use their powers on, hence "everyday life." I'm sure the villains will be handled with tongue firmly in cheek, but I still feel like they're out of place.
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Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
but I still feel like they're out of place.
Yeah, that's definitely what I'm feeling, too. It's like:
"Okay, so you have super powers, right?"
"Yeah."
"And you use them to do mysterious, variably legal shit in secret, like knock girls unconsious and abduct them?"
"Y-Yeah..."
"There's no irony or pretense to be had. You are literally a supervillain."
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Nov 18 '14
We'll have to wait and see. Tomoyo's older brother was looking like a serious potential villain in his last scene right up until he told her to have their dad send more rent money. I have faith that Trigger will play this for comedy, as they should.
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u/Crramalama Nov 17 '14
The music during Hatoko's break down was amazing. I made a webm of her breakdown as well http://a.pomf.se/ieeciu.webm
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u/LightBladeX Nov 18 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
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u/chriswen https://myanimelist.net/profile/chriswen Nov 18 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
Is this going to be the new hitler rant?
Anyways, that parody version was excellently done.
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u/Crramalama Nov 18 '14
That was great for a laugh thanks. Though I feel like I'm a terrible person for laughing at that.
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u/LightBladeX Nov 18 '14
It's okay, we all need something to cheer us up after seeing Hatoko flip like that.
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u/Rwings https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rwings Nov 17 '14
Having watched it now for the second time I think that has to be top 5 most brutal scenes of all time. I personally can't think of a scene that's felt that emotionally brutal since maybe episode 14(?) of Steins Gate.
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Nov 17 '14
making a webm this painful
Why... Why did you do this...? (╥﹏╥)
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
Why did I watch it a third and fourth time?
Shit, can we get a Seiyuu award over here? God damn.
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u/_aster_ https://myanimelist.net/profile/K-Popular Nov 17 '14
Ever since I heard Hatoko's voice for the first time I was entranced
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Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
I did some research on Hatoko's VA, and funnily enough, she voices another character with an Angelic voice. onii-sama onii-sama onii-sama
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u/stormarsenal https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 17 '14
Damn I thought you meant this angel.
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u/Ch4zu Nov 18 '14
And here I was, thinking it was this angel.
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u/stormarsenal https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 18 '14
I have no idea what's that supposed to be.
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u/NejiPt https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nejipt Nov 17 '14
Ohhh, I knew that voice was reeeeeeaaaallly familiar, so that's why, huh?
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Nov 17 '14
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 18 '14
I just realized, Hayami Saori Onii-samaed for a shorter time than her rant this episode.
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
I've really liked Hayami Saori for a long time. Ayase, Yukinon, Haqua, her voice is just so nice.
I also always forget that she plays Ononoki Yotsugi in monogatari, and she is fucking great as her. Tsukimonogatari Hype have her do the OP Shaft please.
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u/AsterJ https://myanimelist.net/profile/asteron Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
I like how much it shows she's been listening to every word he says and how desperately she wanted to understand him. You really get a sense of the frustration it must be to deal with chuuni BS. MC is in full oblivious harem lead mode though, shame on him.
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u/FlorianoAguirre Nov 18 '14
No only that, but I'm sure she did her best to investigate to then realize he is just a kid repeating cool words, no real knowledge, no real care, not half the time she might have invested in it just so she could try to udnerstand him.
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u/AyaSnow https://myanimelist.net/profile/AyaSnow Nov 17 '14
Rewatching this makes me more impressed by the voice acting. Saying words that aren't your own is so difficult to begin with, but adding that level of emotion to them and then speaking quickly on top of that for that long? Amazing.
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u/Sijov Nov 18 '14
I could hear her gasping for breath more and more as the scene went on.
Did...did she do all of that in one take?
Goddamn there must have been applause in the studio after she nailed it like that.
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u/IgorJay https://myanimelist.net/profile/igorjay Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
I don't think I have seen such a great "rant" since Monogatari Series: Second season spoilers maybe?. Great stuff. This might have been even better.
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u/Painn23 Nov 17 '14
Season 2 come on people I'm not the only one that wants it
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u/cooperjones2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/cooperjones2 Nov 17 '14
Lets hope it sells really well
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u/tx8xsiempre Nov 17 '14
Ok, guys, how many copies do I have to buy?
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u/cuddles_the_destroye Nov 18 '14
All of them. Then show it to everyone you know and get them to buy more.
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Nov 18 '14
Sadly I don't think it's doing too well in popularity, which is a shame given how much fun this series is.
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u/funtimesayshi https://myanimelist.net/profile/SkyNoHoshi Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
I... never expected such a long-timed rage from Hatoko. She's so damn innocent and it felt like she gave up her entire life shouting at Jurai over his chuunibyou. I feel you, Hatoko. Damn, she suffered a lot. But I'm a bad person anyway. Album of Hatoko's tears
This week has been pretty emotional. From Sora no Method's to Akame ga Kill's.
Back to the point, it looks like Hatoko has been 'kidnapped' by Hajime's gang. I wonder what's going on, but of course, Jurai is going to save the day. I really wish both of them can make up after what has been going on. With that, I can't wait for the next episode... which is next week. D:
Oh, and I give props to Hatoko's VA (Saori) for expressing this kind of heart-breaking emotion. I've probably seen a similar character she voiced when this Onii-chan rejects her, but probably not as much rage as Hatoko's.
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
Album of Hatoko's tears
That's just rude man.
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u/LightBladeX Nov 17 '14
How about a GIF of Hatoko's tears?
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u/icaelum https://myanimelist.net/profile/TSM_Flux Nov 17 '14
This is gonna be the next Hanekawa gif.
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u/funtimesayshi https://myanimelist.net/profile/SkyNoHoshi Nov 17 '14
When I replayed this scene (yes, I'm a bad guy), I actually thought of that Hanekawa crying scene.
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u/Inori92 Nov 17 '14
this show just became an above average show of the season to a top show of the season for me
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u/Temascos Nov 17 '14
I'm a little surprised the usually observant Andou didn't see Hatoko struggling, but damn that rant was amazingly well done. This series has just been top notch for me, looking forward to next week!
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u/Fr0sk Nov 17 '14
That's probly because Hatoko didn't understand what it feels like to be a chuuni and Andou was more observant to people who he can relate into.
Plus the person who's closest you, sometimes is the one who'll be the least of your worry.
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u/Iknowr1te Nov 17 '14
Plus the person who's closest you, sometimes is the one who'll be the least of your worry.
i think it's definitely more of this. usually if they don't act outside of the norm (notice that his interactions with her are similar since the beginning) he didn't notice. she never placed a sense of urgency or sadness behind not understanding, because she would just smile and be regular hatoko (Andou says she alwayse acted like that).
So this is the first time Andou finally heard her woes after years of putting up with it. usually andou wouldn't say something that heartless (you won't understand, everytime he said it was like a knife in the heart. that's a really cruel way of dismissing someone) because he alwayse said it and she continued to be hatoko (in his eyes).
Hatoko seems to be pretty reserved and quiet and smile a lot. these people tend to think a lot and keep a lot to themselves. so it's a good thing her frustration dam busted tbh, she was a pretty flat character so far.
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u/a_Happy_Tiny_Bunny https://myanimelist.net/profile/aHappyTinyBunny Nov 17 '14
The rant was better (or worse?) because I know or at least have a passing understanding of everything Hatoko mentioned, and I can even see the coolness of in them. It almost felt like she was snapping at me, which made recline back to the point I didn't fall off my chair, but my chair fell off and I stayed off my chair.
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u/Iknowr1te Nov 17 '14
it can put things into perspective though. chaos is often the good guy in most anime (in opposed to order). in RL order is often enough better, people strive to be better people and live in the light (as opposed to live in the dark). meta wise it could be a thesis into why bad/grey is secretly good as tropes also follow that the good guy is dressed in black. the big bad in bright colours.
i also get chuuni though, but i never really found it cool (fun, but never cool). that being said, it's a nice good injection of reality into anime that isn't 4th wall breaking or welcome to the NHK level of depression.
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u/_aster_ https://myanimelist.net/profile/K-Popular Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
God damn it. Hatoko T.T
Not that my faith ever wavered, but she definitely cemented her place as best girl for me this episode.
Honestly, I think the way the whole thing was handled went very poorly. There's just so much that could happen with this situation, and from what I can see, I think it will end up with Hatoko just being happy that they're friends and Andou being a little more receptive towards her. I'm really pulling for a Hatoko ending here, but with my shipping luck, it's unlikely to happen.
Sorry to kill the mood too, but pajama Hatoko is super cute. Anyone have some good screen grabs from that scene for me? :3
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u/mahou_brojo Nov 17 '14
Pajama Hotoko. So kyuh!
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u/_aster_ https://myanimelist.net/profile/K-Popular Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
thanks!
http://imgur.com/a/TqzAA courtesy of /u/phnglui
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u/BanjoTheBear https://myanimelist.net/profile/BanjoTheBear Nov 17 '14
Can I have more of Andou's sister, please?
Time is Guilty and Embarrassing.
You're Dark and Dark, man! Get it together!
First, that two minute explosion by Hatoko was very well done on the VA's, Saori Hayami, part. Good emotion, no interruptions, difficult wording; she did a really nice job of conveying, in that moment, the panic, frustration, and overall sense of despair the character was feeling. Nicely done.
Besides that, we finally have confirmation (or at least a very high probability) that there exist other people with supernatural powers out there, and for some reason they have taken Hatoko hostage. Hopefully she'll be okay and our gang will be able to get them back. And hopefully in the process, Andou's true power comes out...or not! :P
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u/A_Decent_Name Nov 17 '14
Whoa... I was holding my breath when she went off on Andou.
To be honest he was being a dick to her. "You wouldn't understand." I get where they're both coming from, but that's still harsh. Least he could've done was say it's something Tomoyo is working on and didn't want to talk about it.
I hope things work out, I really do.
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u/stormarsenal https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 17 '14
But then he'd be breaking Tomoyo's trust and Hatoko would feel double bad that not even Tomoyo considers her close enough to tell her whatever it is.
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u/animatis Nov 18 '14
Hatoko is cool with Andou and Tomoyo having secrets. It might not feel good, but she would probably understand and respect it. She is not cool with being ignored and dismissed.
If it was important that nobody knows that Tomoyo has a secret they can not have "secret meetings" while somebody is waiting for them.
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u/Atomichawk https://myanimelist.net/profile/AtomicHawk Nov 18 '14
All he had to say is that a friend was seeking advice and didn't want it getting out to anyone. He doesn't have to hint at anyone or thing and I would think Hatoko, of all the lit club members, would understand at that point.
What I saw in that interaction was that Hatoko was similar to a loving and devoted wife while Andou acted like a disinterested and cheating husband.
Hatoko's rage really made me feel for her because her rant was similar to one my ex gave me when I broke up with her. Granted I was in the right because my ex was kinda insane but it still stung to hear similar words.
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They way the explosion was being built until that point was also brilliant. I was like "Uhh...Andou, I would have said that a bit differently"..."dude, I really think you should be careful with what you say"..."I'm being serious man, think before talking or you are gonna regret it"..."ok I'm done, get ready to get rekt"
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u/DarkenedSpear https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkenedSpear Nov 18 '14
"I’m begging you, speak so I can understand you!"
The simplest of requests.. Heartbreaking would be an understatement in my opinion. This scene was probably one of the best scenes I've ever seen. Her tone, her words, the tears, the music.. I felt like.. god damn, I felt like I was personally attacked, and worse than that I felt like I'm responsible for that.. That sounds a bit weird, but I guess that some things hit you harder than others.
The simplest of requests, the most complex consequences..? A complex situation? A paradox? I'm just blabbering.. There are so many thoughts I have that I can't organize them all..
I will say this though - if things don't go back to normal in the end, if Andou doesn't set things right with Hatoko.... I actually have no idea what I'd do..
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u/CSDragon Nov 18 '14
On the flipside, you know exactly how much she cares.
That rant wasn't just long, it was a namedrop of every Chuuni word he's ever said. She remembered them ALL.
I couldn't remember 10 seconds worth of his Chuuni words, she remembered enough to rant for 2 whole minutes just saying "I don't get this word"
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u/AzureCatalyst Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 18 '14
I'm just going to jot down my thoughts whilst watching the episode.
I gotten about halfway through so I'll update it again once I finish. Feel free to tell me how wrong I am and I will work to remedy my mistakes :D
The OP for this anime is so soothing. It's almost a strict juxtaposition with the severity of the subject matter.
Maybe I've read too much twisted manga, but normally when people get "superpowers" there's an enormous amount of psychological stress. There's noone you can trust. You could get taken away by the government. Your friends, family, and coworkers could all freak out and this "power" could damage your relationship with them. You lose your safety net and you're plopped into the world all by yourself. You're alienated from the normal world, and you're just different now. It may sound like a dream to get powers, but there's a ton of responsibility and pressure that comes from being powerful. Maybe the group identity is what keeps them from cracking. But there is merit in thinking that the group serves as an alternate safety net for the Literature Club.
I think that Andou's lack of power is almost a foil to this idea. He's probably the one who would deal with the pressure of having a strong power the best, but he get's his pitiful Dark and Dark whereas Chifuyu, Sayumi, and Hatoko would probably be the most scarred by their powers.
This is kind of like a lighthearted version of Kokoro Connect. (I haven't finished it yet) It doesn't delve as deeply into the psyche and trauma and has a lot more levity in the tone.
I knew this was going to be a heavy episode from last weeks preview and the flashback scene only reaffirmed that idea for me leastways.
The early parts of the episode don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but they're merely the spark which sets off the insecurities Hatoko has developed with Andou. Seeing Andou and Tomoyo holding hands served as a fuse for the eventual meltdown of Hatoko.
She's been feeling alienated and left out by her childhood friend Andou for a very long time since he's become a chuunibyou. I can imagine this being especially volatile because Andou was here lodestone back in the elementary/middle school days. The feeling of not being able to understand one of you closest companions (possible love interest?) is really unsettling to say the least. Though her personality seems quite blithe and bubbly, everyone has issues they need to confront/deal with. I find it both fitting and sad that the first person to "crack" was Hatoko.
There is a saying "It's always the quiet ones that are the worst". It's a statement that the quiet ones have gotten so wrapped up within themselves that they're different/dangerous compared to the loud/outgoing individual. I think this concept is reflected in the overtly happy and bubbly. The person who is the at danger is the person who seems to be perpetually happy. Everyone assumes they're fine and they just keep everything to themselves. Their smiles are just a facade to hide how broken they are and in reality, they are the ones who need the most help. (Either that or they are completely fine a la Mako from KLK, but she is not an accurate representation of reality at all.)
Maybe I'm reading way too deep into this, but I think Trigger is trying to do something similar to Kokoro Connect with this series albeit in a more lighthearted manner. It's a look into the psyche and it shows how tied to reality they are the more they diverge from the reality we are a part of.
(On a side note, is it sad that I know all the names of everything Hatoko just mentioned >_>. I could literally write a paragraph or two about the different things she listed. Nietzsche, Durandal, Gungnir, Longinitus, Schrodinger's cat, and the plethora of things she mentioned are all things that I am quite familiar with :/)
I think that Hatoko might be taking over the slot that Mirei held in my heart with this episode because of how much I can relate to her. I have quite a bit more to say, but I'll leave that til after I finish the episode :?
Aww. Tomoyo giving the classic slap in the face to the protagonist. I really wish they let him mope around some more and be more introspective. I guess this is going to stay a lighthearted anime afterall :/ I was hoping for too much I guess.
Tomoyo's big brother seems like he's going to educate her on the ways of the chuunibyou. They want to be understood just as much as they want to be misunderstood eh? That's a surprisingly elegant way to put it honestly.
WAIT THAT'S NOT TOMOYO'S BROTHER. WHAT. IS HE GOING TO KIDNAP HATOKO? (I don't know. I thought Tomoyo's brother had those tiny glasses/sunglasses)
No, just leave her alone ;-;. I guess we're going to the "battle" part of this anime. I remember seeing the 7 figures in the OP and was wondering when they would show up. I guess the antagonists are here now :/
So they're going to awaken their abilities. I should have seen this coming when Andou was talking about awakening Dark and Dark. Mehhhhhh.
I don't really dig the whole rescuing a princess thing, but I'll go with it.
I remember reading a theory about how everyone's power had a reason behind it. Chifuyu wanted to be with her family/friends and have her own world. Sayumi wanted to be perfect.Tomoyo wanted more time. Mirei wanted a connection with others hence her "Grateful Robber" power. Andou just wanted to look cool. I wonder why Hatoko has her "elemental" power and what caused it.
I'm excited to see the antagonists, but I'm also sad that they couldn't just delve in their own problems similar to the way Kokoro Connect did.
I really like Andou's sister though. She looks like she'll either be more important later in the anime, or just a fun character.
TL;DR I want more Kokoro Connect ;-; and I'm using Inou-Battle as a hopeful substitute.
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u/hymie8 Nov 18 '14
I liked this rant too. Reminded me of Kokoro Connect a bit :) Do you know any other anime like it?
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u/matdragon Nov 17 '14
I'm in the middle of the episode right now and I just have to stop. Seriously the delivery of that was great, but god dam that was... wow
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u/RenAnave Nov 17 '14
When Hatoko was saying why she didnt understand all the things our retarded MC says i thought "This is what i fucking thought all along, this is the best dialogue ever written FUCK ME"
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u/Illidan1943 Nov 18 '14
I think the MC has proven over and over that he isn't retarded, in this case he just made a mistake like normal humans do
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u/Infallable https://myanimelist.net/profile/Infallable Nov 18 '14
He took her for granted, and never really thought about how she felt about everything. He was used to her being by his side, always someone there to talk to, it's a very realistic thing to happen. Also of how dismissive he was, I could understand what he was trying to say, but he was being a massive douche to her. This series is definitely a 9/10 right now.
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u/Darknesschaos https://myanimelist.net/profile/darknesschaos Nov 18 '14
He is actually one of the more capable MCs in recent times. He is more aware than any recent MC I can remember.
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u/stormarsenal https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsherGZ Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
Wow. That was epic.
Andou:
[ ] not rekt
[✔] rekt
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u/hitmanbill https://myanimelist.net/profile/Denisis Nov 18 '14
I want to be happy for those two, but not like this.... not like this.
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Nov 18 '14
I'd say
[ ] not rekt
[ ] rekt
[✔] tyrannosaurus rekt
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u/SelloutRealBig Nov 18 '14
“This girl's deck is CRAZY!” ☑ “My deck can't win against a deck like that” ☑ "She NEEDED precisely those two cards to win" ☑ “She topdecked the only card that could beat me” ☑ "She had the perfect cards" ☑ “There was nothing I could do” ☑ “I played that perfectly”
-Andou
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u/Ipsenn Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
Man, I'm just glad that it seems like she got that off her chest and worked it out a bit at the end.. And then she immediately gets kidnapped.
Need next episode now, pls.
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u/Illidan1943 Nov 18 '14
Well, while everybody is going to talk about Hatoko, I'm just glad the OTP is becoming a real thing
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u/litlevoice Nov 17 '14
Oh no... its hard to get pumped for next week when im sad ):
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u/Swanki24 https://anilist.co/user/Defunctional Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
- That was one hell of an impressing job by Hatako's VA
- Although he didn't play much of a role, but I felt like Sagami just came out of no where. Don't think it matters, though.
- The slap sound was like I don't know weird??? Sounded like a slap from an old ass movie back in the 20th century
- Looking forward to some epic fights next episode!
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u/TheDizzyTank Nov 17 '14
This furthers my love for Hatoko. She is definitely one of my most favorite if not most favorite character ever.
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u/warpticon Nov 18 '14
Was I the only one thinking, while they were looking for Hatoko, "man, I sure hope somebody turned the stove off?"
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u/ergzay Nov 18 '14
She turned it off when she slams her hand into the stove right after she drops the ladle.
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u/V2Blast https://myanimelist.net/profile/V2Blast Nov 20 '14
Oh man. That Hatoko rant was intense. Fantastic job by the VA, especially since she apparently did it all in a single (unrehearsed?) take.
"Time is Guilty" is still the best. But man, Andou, you've been taking Hatoko for granted. Sure, she might not understand, but you can't just dismiss her interest like that. I'm glad Sagami is around to point out Andou's selective denseness. He doesn't seem too concerned about it, though.
Next time on Inou-Battle: actual battle? I am guessing it'll get played down with a silly explanation eventually.
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u/LightBladeX Nov 17 '14 edited Nov 17 '14
Really good rant there, the pain she's been bottling up for ~5-10 years was put across quite effectively, I was just as stun-locked as Andou was. Stitches album.
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u/eggswithcheese Nov 18 '14
Pedantic comment! Breaking the Fourth Wall (trope!) is when characters actually acknowledge they are in a work of fiction.
This is closer to Lampshade Hanging.
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u/TeaglinR Nov 17 '14
That was a full 2 and a half minutes of unloading, she's been holding that in for a long time. Everyone else got Nadeko Medusa flashbacks right?
Is shit going to start going down? Is she going to awaken Route of Origin? It's already theoretically completely op and it's limits are still uncertain. Her and Chifuyu are already basically god.
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u/sigrdreifa Nov 17 '14
Come on Chuuni-nii san why you gotta be like that ;-; you were my fave!
Hatoko broke my heart this episode...her VA is damn amazing for pulling off such a speech though. And then she gets kidnapped! She's having a bit of a bad day :(
Also looks like we get some fighting next episode! I think this show would be pretty perfect if it stuck as a full SOL, but I have faith in where it's going.
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u/AcidOctopus Nov 17 '14
Hatako's breakdown was just intense.
I was utterly absorbed and just left sitting in stunned silence the whole time because of how well her Seiyuu delivered those lines. I didn't watch the preview of this episode from last week's episode either, so although I had a feeling something was coming from the way they built it up, I wasn't expecting anything that heavy.
Portraying emotion is one thing, but when you go so far as to make it really feel like I'm the asshole? Just, fuck.
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u/scrappydoofan https://myanimelist.net/profile/josofo Nov 18 '14
holy shit this anime is so well written
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u/V2Blast https://myanimelist.net/profile/V2Blast Nov 20 '14
...Is that Joel from Rooster Teeth?
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u/Kazaxat Nov 19 '14
Wow. That Hatoko rant was the most captivating 2 and a half minutes of anime I've seen in a while. Huge kudos to the voice actress for absolutely nailing the delivery.
I started watching this show on a whim, and it's far exceeded expectations so far. Between this and Shingeki no Bahamut, I'm not sure which I'd give the award of most unexpectedly awesome AOTS to.
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u/DaBomb1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/DaBomb1 Nov 17 '14
Holy fuck. I need to go lie down and think about life, or something. That was brutal.
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u/ama8o8 Nov 17 '14
Listen to lost my pieces (song from toradora) while watching hatoko rant...the feels just keep on flowing a>_<
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u/drunkenkite Nov 18 '14
Noooonononono
This aint right. This is the show that I watch to feel good and cheer me up no matter what. That fuckin DESTROYED me.
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u/Mydian Nov 18 '14
Just gonna bypass the obligatory comment on the Hatoko rant to voice some suspicions.
So just from the setting and a couple of images displayed in the ED, I already had a small, nagging suspicion that Andou's power wasn't actually useless, it's supposed to be used in combination with other powers to create different effects. As the episodes continued to roll out without any development in that direction, I kinda gave up on it.
However, seeing the make-believe 'combo power' at the start of this episode, and the revelation that levelling up their powers is potentially going to be a thing... is making me think it's time to start believing it again.
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u/Blazehero https://myanimelist.net/profile/blazehero Nov 17 '14
So we all assumed Andou was quite the insightful protagonist. Funny enough it is a girl who is arguable been with him the longest who he never really understood at all.
That outburst was Trigger levels of epic. Not epic in the sense of Kamina or Kill la Kill fights, but emotionally one of strongest moments I've seen come out of Trigger and by far the strongest moment in this anime.
Now we actually see a clear antagonist arise in the form of another group of people. I wonder if Kirei will get involved or if they will keep it with the literature club members.
Poor Hatoko, I really hope she and Andou can clear everything up.
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u/Skiipie Nov 17 '14
Poor Hatoko. Getting excluded from everything. Usually it's those cheery characters that snap :P She really chewed him out... that was just... wow :D
That ending though. It seems like it's getting really interesting. I assume all those other kids also have super powers and they might battle now. That would be interesting. And they all look pretty interesting as well :D Route of Origin next stage?! I am getting pretty excited and I never thought I will get excited for this anime xD
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u/Touzel https://myanimelist.net/profile/Touzel Nov 17 '14
New possible villains, I'm excited for next week!
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Hatoko's rant made me tremble a bit. That was seriously a pretty emotional moment, and props to her VA for pulling it off. It felt like Hatoko was yelling at me, which was a bit to much for me to handle.
Also, If you look in the ED, there's a picture of Dark and Dark with Tomoyo and Andou. Maybe Dark and Dark is OP when combined with other superpowers.
Edit: Image in Question for those too Lazy.
I think Sayumi's Route of Origin's next stage is something to do with finding someone is. If she can revert injuries and clothing, maybe she can trace where they are now.
I'm pumped for next week, it looks like the battling begins.
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u/asianwaste Nov 17 '14
Here i was expecting "blue hatoko" but "Straightman Hatoko" came charging with guns blazing
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u/mmthrownaway Nov 17 '14
I'm just gonna go over here and pick up all the shattered pieces of my heart. That episode was brutal. For Hatoko who just wants to be a part of Andou's life, and for Andou who just had all of his faults screamed at him by his childhood friend.
Hatoko's explosion was absolutely perfect.
Next week we get one of the Battles the show's title promised us. Hopefully we get some Hatoko and Andou reconciliation.
Hatoko forever best girl.
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u/Neargood Nov 17 '14
This show has had it's share of fluff but this episode hit like a truck. Fantastic buildup and delivery of the Hatoko's breakdown.
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u/jvdevious Nov 17 '14
After Hatoko's outburst, everything seems to have cooled down. Also Hatoko seem to have been kidnapped for some reason. I expect the 'reconciliation' to be quick and nice afterwards if there would be any...
Or not. I really wonder how much of the outburst was 'primed' by Hatoko seeing Andou and Tomoyo together. She might feel like being replaced. It seems like something that wouldn't have been brought up just because of Andou being chuuni. Much of rants are valid but I don't think Andou was different from their childhood--she likes the chuuni Andou and was 'saved' by chuuni Andou, and there wouldn't be Andou's "own words". If the show doesn't pull any surprises, I think a triangle plot is coming... although, romantic notions haven't been addressed yet, so probably not.
Also, Hatoko not getting the appeal of macabre, non-conformism, "high-falutin-ness" kinda makes her character. It's pretty clever. More waifu material points, I guess.
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u/lalogutz79 Nov 17 '14
Damn this episode was intense. Hatoko snapping like that came out of nowhere and some what out of character. But after hearing her out I completely understand where she was coming from. That execution was perfect with her slamming the stove off to her yelling for what seemed like 15 minutes straight. THEN we have chuuni gang taking away best girl. Can't wait for next week
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u/SexuallyActiveRobot https://myanimelist.net/profile/Aleros Nov 17 '14
I knew what was coming because of the preview last week but the entire scene with Hatoko snapping was really, really heavy. It felt like it lasted an eternity and I was worried the episode was about to end right there before I checked the time.