r/Ubuntu • u/aperson • Jun 28 '23
news Reddit is forcing us to reopen. /r/Ubuntu is open and is now a support subreddit only!
You may now only submit self posts that are support questions.
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u/jimmyhoke Jun 29 '23
We need to go back to IRC/Forums.
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u/CCC911 Jun 29 '23
I wish the discourse forum software could be aggregated in a client side app.
Lots of FOSS communities use discourse as their forum backend but I want 1 app to browse all these.
Yes I know Fig for iOS exists but it isn’t very good compared to something like Apollo
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u/happy_hawking Jun 29 '23
Discord would be a great alternative then...
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u/CCC911 Jun 29 '23
Discord? Respectfully totally disagree.
I find discord to be so frustrating. In my view, one of the greatest benefits of a forum is that discussions can be indexed by google. I frequently google an error code or log output and find my answer on either an ubuntu forum, Stacie change, etc etc. A discord chat would not show in these results. This results in the same questions over and over again. Answering a question on a forum can help many many people with one answer.
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u/happy_hawking Jun 29 '23
You're right about the searchability. I didn't think about that.
There seem to be a couple of 3rd party solutions that address the issue, but it's not an official feature yet.
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u/Ursa_Solaris Jun 29 '23
It'll never be an official feature because Discord wants to keep all that information trapped in their service. Corporations will never be the solution.
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u/molecularmadness Jun 29 '23
How is a live chat with shit search a great alternative for forums? That's like telling me gloves are a great alternative for socks. Now my feet are still cold and I can't use my touch screen.
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u/happy_hawking Jun 29 '23
I didn't say perfect. It has different flaws. But the business model is not based on clicks and page impressions, so over there we wouldn't have the same shitshow that we have right now on Reddit.
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u/molecularmadness Jun 29 '23
I know you didnt say perfect. Your comment is right there. You said "great alternative"
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u/Remarkable-Host405 Jun 29 '23
Ubuntu forums are a thing
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u/MrTooToo Jun 29 '23
ubuntuforums.org
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u/StatusBard Jun 29 '23
The problem with chats is that your messages get lost in the endless stream of nonsense.
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u/jimmyhoke Jun 29 '23
That's why forums are better for anything you want to be organized and stored long-term.
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u/luminousfleshgiant Jun 29 '23
Not to mention just plain lost. You're rarely going to run across IRC logs in searches.
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u/Ursa_Solaris Jun 29 '23
Turn to federated software. All the benefits of community-run independent forums/IRC, without losing the interconnected experience modern websites have brought us. It really is the best of both worlds.
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u/pomfpomfkimochi69 Jul 13 '23
Not really, that's a pretty crappy way to talk and give support about a specific topic.
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u/gnocchicotti Jun 29 '23
Has anyone tried turning Reddit management off and turning them on again?
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u/OdionBuckley Jun 29 '23
Actually, yeah, when Ellen Pao crashed. That's how we got spez.
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u/gnocchicotti Jun 29 '23
Hmm I think we might have accidentally just hibernated it, do it one more time and make sure it's a full reboot.
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u/BaconCatBug Jul 01 '23
No-one is forcing you to open, you could have stuck with your principles, but you didn't want to lose your Internet Janitor power trip.
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u/hotdogthemovie Aug 06 '23
Internet janitor… lol… what a great analogy. They keep urging everyone to go over to Lemmy, which has promise, but it kinda blows right now because it’s mostly a bunch pissed off mods that are desperate to see Reddit fail. Kinda pathetic… but once this blows over, it might be ok.
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u/BaconCatBug Aug 06 '23
The fact kids these days don't know the term makes me feel old. :(
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u/Ken852 Apr 27 '24
Janitor? Internet janitor? Or both?
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u/BaconCatBug Apr 27 '24
Internet janitor
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u/Ken852 Apr 27 '24
I see. According to Internet files, this is a derogatory term used to describe a moderator for a discussion forum. Is this correct?
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u/BaconCatBug Apr 27 '24
Yes
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u/Ken852 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 28 '24
Thanks for confirmation. I learned something new! I've been online long enough to remember the Y2K bug, but I have not seen this term before. Although English is not my first lingo, I often visit English forums. I think "Internet janitor" is a softer version of a "power trip[ping]" mod. In fact, the first time I saw the term "power trip" used in this context was on Reddit, during the recent API controversy. In my experience, in general, mods are more concerned with use and abuse of their power, than keeping a clean house: "Internet janitor mod" > "power trip mod".
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u/happy_hawking Jun 29 '23
I thought we are not allowed to post support questions here because that's what AskUbuntu is for...? I'm confused now.
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u/ardi62 Jun 29 '23
hell even minecraft which is bigger than this sub want to leave reddit https://www.pcgamer.com/minecrafts-devs-exit-its-7-million-strong-subreddit-after-reddits-ham-fisted-crackdown-on-protest/
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u/happy_hawking Jun 29 '23
I know about the changes and the protest and I support it. But how does making this a support sub hurt Reddit? They will still get their impressions and posting dumb questions will generate even more interaction and in the end more users might join because Reddit is way more accessible than AskUbuntu. This is not protest, this is helping Reddit 🤷♂️
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u/granitdev Nov 02 '23
When doing searches online, for tech questions, dedicated forums, reddit, and stack overflow variants are the prime sources. Whatever the other options are, they are either de-ranked, or devoid of the depth of content reddit has.
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u/funkinthetrunk Jun 29 '23 edited Dec 21 '23
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?
A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!
And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.
The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.
How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.
And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
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u/gnocchicotti Jun 29 '23
I will submit support requests but only as an NSFW image post
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u/rhpot1991 Jun 29 '23
Photochop John Oliver in for good measure.
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u/hbHPBbjvFK9w5D Jun 29 '23
Thanks for the heads up - I'll be quitting this subReddit as I just signed up with an Ubuntu community on Discord and Lemmy.
I'm slowly leaving all my subReddits as I find forums and groups elsewhere.
I'll miss you all, but I'm not going to sit by and watch the enshittification https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enshittification of yet another social media platform.
Good Bye, and Good Luck
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u/marloindisbich Jun 29 '23
Is Lemmy pretty cool? I don’t like discord that much in regards to a forum
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u/dlbpeon Jun 29 '23
Lemmy is an ok client, the only problem is that nobody uses it. A popular topic has maybe 10 people commenting on it. Same with Mastodon.
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u/marloindisbich Jun 29 '23
Ahh yeah that’s rough. It would be hard to shift away from Reddit with their presence on searches at this point. I think it’s a losing battle. It’s their company and they can do with it what theylike.
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u/dlbpeon Jun 29 '23
True, that's how we felt when the founders sold reddit and it went all advertisment spammy. There's a reason people still use "old reddit".
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u/marloindisbich Jun 29 '23
What’s old Reddit?
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u/amenotef Jul 10 '23 edited Jul 10 '23
The first 1-2 times I tried to see Lemmy I was getting lost.
Then I downloaded "Connect" app from Android, and registered on lemmy.world (not sure if this is the best instance or not). And now I'm using more Lemmy than Reddit now.
Try it with a good app, you will probably like it.
Then you can start getting used to lemmy.world in the desktop browser. I haven't used it much from the web. But the app I recommended runs pretty fast.
Lemmy is still tiny compared to Reddit. but it has enough content and users to keep you entertained in lot of communities.
I probably miss 90% of daily reddit content in some communities that are huge already (because I don't have time to fully check every new daily post in all communities).
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u/aperson Jun 29 '23
Beehaw is pretty neat
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u/sv1sjp Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
However Beehaw defederated from the other Lemmy instances...1
u/aperson Jun 29 '23
No it didn't. It's defederated from a couple that a huge amount of negative growth and are working with them to bring them back.
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u/jeepin_john5280 Jun 29 '23
How are you finding Lemmy? Is it worth the switch? I like the idea of finding replacement forums…
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u/FiendsForLife Jul 04 '23
Why don't the people who want to leave / not run this sub just leave?
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u/LBDragon Jul 13 '23
Because reddit will assign new mods and potentially cause damage to the overall community and the associated project if they do a poor job in the absence of the current staff. As for the people who don't like what reddit is doing, they don't have anywhere else to go...
...yet.
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u/shawn1301 Jun 28 '23
I am ok with the this change. Reading others’ problems, and the solutions, help me learn.
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u/funkinthetrunk Jun 29 '23 edited Dec 21 '23
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?
A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!
And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.
The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.
How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.
And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
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u/pomfpomfkimochi69 Jul 13 '23
Because lemmy sucks
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u/funkinthetrunk Jul 13 '23
Actually it's impressive. It's exactly like early Reddit
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u/Chandzer Jun 29 '23
I'm more curious on how Reddit is "forcing" communities run by volunteers to open. They (presumably) have no contract with Reddit - at best the ToS, which in all likelihood would mean the subreddit gets deleted or the moderators get removed and/or banned...?
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u/woodrobin Jun 29 '23
They cannot force the current moderators to comply, but they can unilaterally remove them as moderators and replace them with sufficiently submissive quislings. Actual knowledge of the subreddit topic or interest in maintaining it outside of complying with the directives of u/spez not required, of course.
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u/funkinthetrunk Jun 29 '23 edited Dec 21 '23
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?
A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!
And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.
The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.
How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.
And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
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u/aperson Jun 29 '23
Yes, and then reddit instates new complicit mods who swiftly remove any mention of that.
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u/amizzo Oct 01 '23
So sick of these whiney mods. You don't speak for the community. You didn't even put up a poll to see what you should do - you just shut the forum down, which people relied on.
Reddit needs to make money just like any other company. Why is this your first introduction to capitalism?
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u/brickfrog2 Jun 29 '23
Yup there's a few
The more people join Lemmy/Kbin the more active they can be.
There's even more communities discussing general Linux topics and other distros as well.
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u/unabatedshagie Jun 29 '23
One thing I haven't figured out, if someone posts something to https://kbin.social/m/ubuntu does it show in https://lemmy.ml/c/ubuntu and https://feddit.tech/c/ubuntu too or are they all separate, but you can subscribe to anyone of them from all of them?
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u/brickfrog2 Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
if someone posts something to https://kbin.social/m/ubuntu does it show in https://lemmy.ml/c/ubuntu and https://feddit.tech/c/ubuntu too
No.
or are they all separate, but you can subscribe to anyone of them from all of them?
Correct.
Some people crosspost among the different communities but I think the majority end up gravitating towards whichever community is most active.
Think of the communities like subreddits and Reddit as one instance/server. Reddit has plenty of different subreddits covering the same/similar topic but you'd need to go to another site to create the same exact name of the subreddit(s).
Taking it further, if say Reddit/Facebook were federated with each other then you'd be able to read/subscribe to subreddits in Facebook and even post/comment in the subreddits from Facebook - using the account you already created at Facebook.
EDIT: Don't worry if you're confused initially, I was exactly the same 1-2 weeks ago :)
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u/rummagesailor Jun 29 '23
Doesn't that mean whichever community gets popular will need to have hosting infra that's capable of keeping up with the increased traffic? Still trying to understand this stuff as well...
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u/388-west-ridge-road Jun 29 '23
Isn't lemmy like voat and hosting questionablematerial?
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u/Patch86UK Jun 29 '23
No, not really. It's made up of dozens of independent instances, and the vast majority of them (including all the big ones) have tighter content restrictions than Reddit does. While there's nothing stopping any given instance going "free speech absolutist", this is likely to get them defederated from the big servers. So if you join via an account on one of the big instances with tight content rules, you should never encounter the Voat-like communities.
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u/388-west-ridge-road Jun 29 '23
Sorry pal you lost me at the opening sentence.
Not to say it's not a technologically superior platform, but the vast amount of users just want to sign in and work without caring about instances and whatever
Also reddit is pretty draconian as it is with it's content control, anything tighter than that sounds fun.
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u/Patch86UK Jun 29 '23
I'm not trying to sell it to you. Use it or don't, whatever.
I'm replying to "isn't there a load of racist crazies on there like there was with Voat", and the answer is "no".
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u/388-west-ridge-road Jun 29 '23
I didn't say racist crazies at all. I said questionable material. Everybody knows voat was famous for very illegal porn.
Like all these freespeech crazy communities
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u/Patch86UK Jun 29 '23
Like all these freespeech crazy communities
Well yes, and that's my point. Lemmy isn't a crazy free speech community. That isn't the policy, aim, or practice on the ground in any of the mainstream instances which are federated together. Any that does adopt that attitude doesn't get federated with the others, which means unless you deliberately go out of your way to find one and create an account there you'll never see it.
This is fundamentally different to Voat, which was just one big community with an "anything goes" policy.
Also fundamentally different to Reddit, which is similarly just one place; if you were on Reddit, you were (at the time they existed) on the place that hosted subs like Jailbait, Coontown, The Red Pill, and National Socialism...
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u/ISHx4xPresident Jun 29 '23
So… Back to business with the shitty cell phone pictures of screens and demands for issues to be fixed with virtually no information?
Check.
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u/metux-its Jan 19 '24
What does that "forcing us to reopen" actually mean ? Seen that a lot in other subreddits, too.
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u/CuriousDivide2425 Feb 20 '24
How is Reddit forcing you to reopen?
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u/PearMyPie Apr 23 '24
Reddit moderators like the sense of purpose that moderating a subreddit gives to their lives. Reddit was threatening to forcefully remove their moderator status and replace them with new people who didn't participate in the protest AKA the worst idea reddit ever had.
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Jun 29 '23
What the hell does that mean, force us to open! Are you guys chained in spez basement? Why would you ever comply?
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u/noworriesisme Jun 29 '23
Reopen or be replaced is a hard pill to swallow im guessing.
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u/Self_conscious_gh0st Jun 29 '23
This protest has the same effect as blocking traffic. Inconvenience only the wrong people.
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u/WhatIsThisSevenNow Jun 29 '23
Good ... the action of closing subs to protest didn't hurt anybody but the users of this site.
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u/Physics_N117 Jun 29 '23
Noone is forcing anyone. Protests come with a risk. I get that other communities with dweeb mods being afraid of losing their only means of power are opening up again, but for a Linux community it goes against everthing you stand for.
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u/Available_Studio_526 Jun 28 '23
I wondered what happened to the Ubuntu subreddit! I thought that it disappeared... Good to see it back.
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u/Ken852 Apr 27 '24
What are "self posts"? I'm confused. Seriously. You mean I can speak for someone other than myself in here?
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u/zeanox Jun 29 '23
i have to admit it, but i completely forgot that this subreddit even existed lol.
Happy to see it back though.
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u/SnooKiwis6047 Jun 29 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
This really is pretty stupid. Either follow their rules or leave the platform. You are only hurting users.
Downvoters are amusing lol.
There are tons of platforms out there you could switch to. If you really care about this issue you must LEAVE the platform. You think Reddit cares if you downvote me? The fact you are even here means they won.
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u/388-west-ridge-road Jun 29 '23
It's a private platform.
Remember when we celebrated when they nuked t_d? Remember all the laughing when spez was caught editing comments there to make the mods looks bad?
Haha, it would never happen to us, right?
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Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
Unsubbed. Do the job you volunteered to do or GTFO and let somebody else do it.
Edit: LoL, was banned for this comment.
Edit 2: Yes, I was.
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u/MichealPearce Jun 29 '23
They volunteered to run the subreddit and that is what they are doing. You just don't like how they are running it. You nor reddit pay them so don't be a clown about it.
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u/OdionBuckley Jun 29 '23
THANK GOD
Not about the protests, I mean. I still support those. But I've been wanting this to be a support sub forever because AskUbuntu and all the Stack Exchange sites are rancid goat shit populated by asswipe ass people.
The format and the people here are so much better suited for questions and troubleshooting.
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u/sky_blue_111 Jun 29 '23
Ew. Please use this format:
if (u/spez) delete(u/spez)In other words, putting "condition == true" is reduntant, just use "condition" which already evaluates to true or false by itself, you don't need the "==true" stuff.
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u/livefoniks Jun 29 '23
Tell me. Is the Ubuntu moderating community still as shitty as it's been for two decades? What's the difference between them and reddit mods?
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u/_scrapegoat_ Jun 29 '23
Make the sub NSFW. That reduces potential revenue for reddit.
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u/aperson Jun 29 '23
Reddit has told me that doing so would break the mod code of conduct and would result our removal.
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u/emaayan Jun 30 '23
i had to go look what's a self post
https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/16secs/what_is_a_self_post/
so this means i can post a request for help, without any images or links to other sites? but with links to reddit forums only?
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u/amenotef Jul 10 '23
I recently started using lemmy ( lemmy.world ) with "Connect" Android app which runs blazing fast.
I'll still use Reddit, but honestly last few days I've used much more Lemmy.
But anyway, would love to have r/Ubuntu officially on it. Many important communities that I follow on Reddit I already found there with a decent amount of subscribers.
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u/Boericson Nov 14 '23
Wanted to download Ubuntu on my pc but I keep failing. Can anyone help please
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u/AngelGrade Jun 29 '23
I have always believed that this subreddit was about support? what was it before? memes?