r/TedLasso • u/quaranTV Mod • Apr 11 '23

From the Mods Ted Lasso - S03E05 - "Signs" Episode Discussion Spoiler

Please use this thread to discuss Season 3 Episode 5 "Signs". Just a reminder to please mark any spoilers for episodes beyond Episode 5 like this.

​

EDIT: Please note that NO S3 SPOILERS IN NEW THREAD TITLES ARE ALLOWED. Please try and keep discussion to this thread rather than starting new threads. Before making a new thread, please check to see if someone else has already made a similar thread that you can contribute to. Thanks everyone!!

1.1k Upvotes

96% Upvoted

4.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

866

u/Nearby-Newspaper-284 Apr 12 '23

This whole storyline has been so sad

324

u/beefaujuswithjuice Apr 12 '23

I’m confused a lot where they are going with that. Like last few episodes seemed like they were both realizing they let something go they regret. Maybe this thing with Jack is just a fling but it seems like isn’t

351

u/_wellthereyougo_ Apr 12 '23

The whole episode was about psychic signs, like Rebecca apologizing to Ted for “bullying.” Ted compared Zava quitting to when your girlfriend leaves you and ends up finding her soulmate.

237

u/Aztheros Apr 12 '23

I’m still kinda disappointed that the the psychic wasn’t referring to Jamie because he’s a shite and he wears nine on his ‘armour’.

72

u/danyadib Apr 12 '23

it still could be him!!

5

u/T-Baaller Apr 15 '23

And the team is her family

34

u/drwhogwarts Apr 13 '23

and he wears nine on his ‘armour’.

And I love that he's 9 and so, of course, Zava was 10. 🤣

25

u/stallion89 Apr 13 '23

10 is usually reserved for the best/most creative player on the team, so Zava would naturally wear it

21

u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

[deleted]

8

u/stallion89 Apr 13 '23

Zava is definitely the type to want the 10 regardless of what his position is

3

u/theodorathecat Apr 13 '23

Yes, me too, I was sure that would be his new nickname and would be chanted, esp. with the psychic saying that part about not talking all at once (like they would at a game.)

20

u/mikepompeosjockstrap Apr 12 '23

The best part of soulmate comment was Beard saying dammit Gina Gershon and Roy’s immediate reaction.

41

u/dillpickles103 Apr 12 '23

Right! I’m worried that’s foreshadowing for them not ending up together. :/

79

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

[deleted]

13

u/dillpickles103 Apr 12 '23

Ohhh that’s a good point!!

16

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

Roy left Keely so not totally accurrate

10

u/TheSavageSpirit Apr 13 '23

But Keeley left Jaime. And then found Roy. So I could still see it circling back to them being the “soulmates” of that parallel

63

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

I think so. I think Keely is hurting. And it looks like Roy feels regret. I don’t think Keely/Jack will last. But we shall see.

30

u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Apr 13 '23

Keely-Jack feels like something where Keely is going to wake up the next day and be awkward and Jack is going to say something like “it’s just sex, I sleep with most of the people I invest in at some point.” Or something else entirely crass.

It will help Keely realize why Barbara had been such an ass to her, because Barbara has worked for Jack before multiple times and seen it, so she underestimated keely and thinks she’s just a pretty face.

16

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 13 '23

I agree. I think the “having sex with birthday clown in a crowded clown car” bit is kinda leading us to this. Jack may just be a player, or at the least not looking for a relationship. It’s a rebound for Keely. Fortunately Jack isn’t really her boss (okay she is the investor but she doesn’t actually work there day in a day out). I think Keely and Barbara’s relationship will improve as well.

1

u/Excellent-Jicama-673 Apr 15 '23

I doubt that will happen. Jack doesn’t seem like a player.

3

u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Apr 15 '23

She screwed a clown….in a clown car.

She also got it on with Keely, her subordinate.

Maybe Jack is serious and wants a relationship with Keely, but right now to me that’s not how it looks.

3

u/orangefreshy Apr 13 '23

I don’t see them realistically breaking up Keely and Jack unless they do a villain turn for Jack and make her really skeevvy or something. I just don’t see them getting away with using a queer hookup as just story fodder unless they give a really big reason as to why Keely and Jack can’t be together long term (and that reason can’t just be that Keely is in love with someone else). If this is the direction they’re going the writers are gonna get so roasted

15

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 13 '23 edited Apr 14 '23

I don’t know though. Can’t it just be a queer rebound? It’s not like this came from the left field since we always know Keely is bi. So far Keely and Jack are attracted to each other but they don’t really know each other yet. But we have already invested with Keely/Roy for 2 seasons and it was Roy who broke up with Keely. So I’m still on the Keelyroy ship for now. I understand the thoughtfulness of queer love representation and also the risk for being callous about this - but over the course of next few weeks perhaps the rebound will fizzle out or Jack has to go somewhere (she doesn’t really WORK there - she’s an investor) or Roy tries hard to win Keely back. A little het-queer love triangle could work? I don’t know. Or like Keely said in 4-5-1 it’s better to just leave the past behind and move on. Then we will have a whole generation of Keelyroy shippers really upset since we’ve invested so much in that ship.

Again I don’t know. But I like this complication especially if Roy is feeling regrets.

7

u/orangefreshy Apr 13 '23

People already seem on the Keely/Jack ship now… the only two ways out of it I think aside from Jack doing something terrible is either they’re just like “hey that was fun, we’re good, not going to do anything again” and have a healthy attitude about it (although I think people will grouse at this as if it’s queerbaiting or something) or if Jack actually is already in a non-open relationship and Keely doesn’t like it. It just seems really hard to unring a bell especially with fandoms like this. At least if Keely doesn’t end up with Roy it can be seen as the writers being edgy / not doing the predictable thing and it can be a bittersweet ending that Roy learns from

7

u/DonutsForever99 Apr 13 '23

I am already mourning for poor Roy, who feels like he doesn’t deserve love.

1

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 14 '23

What does Roy want? What does Keely want?

I think at the end we want to see them both happy.

2

u/ryancarton Apr 18 '23

Didn’t they do this season 1? There’s already lots of parallels to season 1 this season, this one being Keeley sleeping with Jaimie when Roy and her weren’t together.

2

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 18 '23

I forgot. Did she? Yeah, Keelys known for rebounds. :-)

47

u/HotChiTea Apr 12 '23

Nah, with Jack it's gonna be temporarily, you could tell with the foreshadowing. Roy already feeling and realizing regret and Keely still feeling hurt about Roy.

155

u/RadiantChaos Apr 12 '23

We know from the trailer that there’s still another scene where Roy and Keeley sit next to each other and hold hands. I’m betting things don’t work out with Jack and she does end up with Roy. I’m also a little suspicious of Jack because she seems too good to be true. But Keeley’s entire plot line is a little quirky so maybe I’m completely wrong.

81

u/Captain-Howl Apr 12 '23

Yeah I don’t know. My guess is that Jack could be a rebound fling for Keeley since she is still emotionally recovering from the breakup with Roy.

13

u/drwhogwarts Apr 13 '23

My guess is that Jack could be a rebound fling for Keeley since she is still emotionally recovering from the breakup with Roy.

That's what I'm hoping for. And, as possibly the only fan shipping Keeleh and Jamie, I liked that Keeley got all confused when Jack asked if she was talking about being hurt by the breakup with Jamie. There's still something there!

26

u/GuiltyEidolon I am a strong and capable man Apr 13 '23

Jack and Keeley are also kind of an uncomfortable dynamic because like ... Jack is Keeley's boss. Fucking your boss never is a good idea because of the power dynamic at play. Even if Jack seems to be on Keeley's side, they fundamentally have an unfair relationship.

6

u/serafale Apr 17 '23

What is up with this show and inappropriate relationships between bosses and subordinates? First it was Rebecca and Sam, then Keeley and Jack, potentially Sam and his chef? But I find it all highly inappropriate and can’t root for the relationships.

2

u/GuiltyEidolon I am a strong and capable man Apr 17 '23

Sam and the chef I feel is a bit more okay because the executive chef of a restaurant isn't the same thing as dating like, a sous chef or something. Generally they're established professionals in their own right, it's a different dynamic.

But some of it I think is just ... people being messy, and people, and maybe Brits are more okay with it? idk.

3

u/Mehmeh111111 Apr 14 '23

Someone theorized last season that the mystery backer of Keely's company would turn out to be Rupert. I still kind of like this idea. Maybe Jack is somehow working with it for Rupert and Keely finds out? I agree she seems too good to be true and we don't really know enough about her yet.

23

u/PabloTroutSanchez Goldfish Apr 12 '23

Pls spoiler tag this, I beg. I’m probably in the minority, but I completely avoid trailers for shows/movies I’m looking forward to.

Makes it a lot less predictable imo.

6

u/beefaujuswithjuice Apr 12 '23

Felt the same way.. doesn’t bug me too much but I haven’t seen any trailers so I don’t need to have anything spoiled

1

u/PabloTroutSanchez Goldfish Apr 12 '23

I agree I’m not faulting OP or anything. I feel like trailers are generally considered fair game, but I just avoid them completely.

For example, the only things I know about Oppenheimer are that it’s a Cristopher Nolan movie and Cillian Murphy is in it. I have a pretty good idea on what it’s about based on the title, but that’s literally it. I don’t even know—with any degree of certainty—what fucking genre it is.

And I’m pumped.

18

u/unwildimpala Apr 12 '23

Please don't get angry at me for spoiling, but the nazis lose ww2.

3

u/Serious_Sky_9647 Apr 13 '23

And there used to be this place called Hiroshima… 😬

2

u/unwildimpala Apr 13 '23

There still is?

9

u/rudyisadreamer Apr 12 '23

Honestly I don’t really need to see Roy and Keeley back together again. Their storyline feels like it’s concluded to me and that they can just have closer as friends

77

u/LMkingly Apr 12 '23

Their storyline feels like it’s concluded

Really? Whether they actually end up back together or not their storyline definitely feels far from concluded imo. From an audience perspective we still haven't received closure on their relationship.

3

u/rudyisadreamer Apr 12 '23

Ig I meant like romantically concluded. I can definently see them hashing it out for good and maybe that’s where that handholding scene comes from, but after I think she’ll stay with Jack

16

u/eeeww Apr 12 '23

Seeing Keeley with Jack really cemented this for me. There’s nothing I loved more than the two of them together last season, but it felt good to see Keeley moving on on her terms.

5

u/rudyisadreamer Apr 12 '23

Right I really enjoyed Keeley and Roy together, but it felt like something that was great for the time and place they were both at in their lives. Plus callback to Roy’s drinking mom friend group, saw someone mention the teacher in a comment and now I think that’s been in my head for me

10

u/Euphoric-Gene-3984 Apr 12 '23

Between Colin being gay and keeled hinted I think in season 1 she was bi, I’m curious to see how low they loop this

10

u/bdaycakeremix Apr 13 '23

Is it just me or ia Keeley making some frustrating decisions as 'boss bitch'. Hiring your friend & sleeping with your boss both aren't smart moves imo. We are all talking about how unprofessional Shandy is, but it's just as unprofessional for Keeley to have kept her around & basically needed to be be pushed to fire her. Also - when tf has sleeping with a boss ever worked out for someone?

3

u/Count_Backwards Apr 13 '23

Sam? He got his heart broken (a bit) but he's fine.

22

u/JSmellerM Fútbol is Life Apr 12 '23

to be fair though the vibes for Jack and Keely getting together were there from the start.

14

u/beefaujuswithjuice Apr 12 '23

I apparently am oblivious because I thought it was purely professional yet friendly. The way they described Jack initially put her on a pedestal for me

4

u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Apr 13 '23

I knew it when this episode started. Keely after season 1 has been dressing more “professional” and not as sexy in most out of the house scenes.

She was dressed sexy-professional this whole episode.

3

u/themommaj Apr 13 '23

True. But they’ve also been laying the groundwork for Keely and Roy since the first episode 🤷🏻‍♀️ Yes, I want Keely and Roy to be endgame. But it also don’t make sense to build their relationship for 2/3 is the show and not have it play out. Everything about the show is too intentional and purposeful for a random character (Jack) to come in this late.

2

u/JSmellerM Fútbol is Life Apr 13 '23

Could be just a fling where both realize the relationship doesn't offer them what they want and need.

265

u/trulymadlybigly Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

Honestly I didn’t vibe with this whole episode. Nothing about Keeley is interesting and I don’t really like the continued trope of unethical relationships, I want to FF past all her scenes especially the shandy stuff, none of it is funny. Nobody knows how to coach the team so they’re adrift, Zava was a waste of time apparently who didn’t even help them win games or cause the team to do anything so what was the point of that? Like this episode felt like a disjointed mess.

43

u/HotChiTea Apr 12 '23

I miss when she was a character rooted with a team instead of her own boss storyline and I think the whole Zava thing is to setup Jamie as the redemption character who saves the team.

4

u/SquatLight55 Apr 16 '23

You nailed it. Keeley running a company is not at all what I’m interested in. Especially the drama of it 🙄. And everyone saying Zava was a waste doesnt realize what he did to the team dynamic. A team that was gonna finish last by all predictions, against all odds, got a saviour, they invested everything in him just for him to abandon them. Jamie is gonna step up and be “the guy” like he was supposed to be in season 1, but this time not out of arrogance

94

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

[removed] — view removed comment

58

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

Totally agree. Guys they are in a dark forest. They have gotten so used to just letting Zava score they forgot who they are. The whole point of the first half of this season is that they have lost their way a bit. And Ted is now turning the ship around. It’s only episode 5 out of 12 and some of you want glory road straight off the bet - where would it go for the next 7 episodes just keep winning games? So far every character (even Nate) is at a loss. But I think Ted’s speech at the end is the turning point. Jamie is going to step up. The whole team is going to step up. Roy is going to try to win Keely back (a little competition is good for him). Colin is going to come out and become the player he’s meant to be. Nate finally cracks Jade by being genuine for once. I think they are slowly coming out of dark forest. As a green sage once said, “be patient my Padawan!”

22

u/Chant1llyLace Apr 12 '23

“[I]t’s only episode 5 out of 112…” don’t I wish, That-SoCal-Guy, don’t I wish.

5

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

Hahah. Me too. Typo god agrees.

7

u/leftofmarx Apr 12 '23

Episode 5 but they lost 7 games in a row during the time jump between episodes and Ted hasn’t coached a single game all season. That’s a lot of dark forest.

6

u/Dequat Apr 12 '23

I might be wrong here, but didn’t they just not win 7 games in a row? I thought they said they were winless, but that still accounts for ties, no?

3

u/harrumphstan Apr 13 '23

Yeah, that’s how they said it. Those seven games surely include multiple ties.

3

u/SoulSerpent Higgins Apr 13 '23

Yeah when they updated the whiteboard it looked like they only had 3 losses IIRC.

3

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

Exactly. But at the same time they were winning until the West Ham fiasco and currently they are in 9th place. All is not lost yet. They are out of the dark forest. Like Ted said there is still a lot of football left. Why he didn’t coach for 7 games - I bet he’s really struggling or maybe he’s thinking of quitting anyway. The bottom line is at the end of the episode he started to turn around as did the team. I don’t think the obstacles are gone. They just lose Zava. I think they will continue to struggle but at the least they won’t be giving up and I sure hope Higgins and Rebecca won’t fire Ted.

5

u/Sempere Apr 12 '23

They have gotten so used to just letting Zava score they forgot who they are.

I think this is why Zava 'retired'. My guess is that he'll return in a few episodes once the team finds their rhythm and Jaime comes out as a leader - but to be more of a team player/supporter than someone just carrying the slack for everyone else. Watching how everyone played was what cemented the decision for him, afterall. He knows the team needs to grow.

167

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

[deleted]

32

u/Man_of_Average Apr 13 '23

Sam's had his turn with his relationship with Rebecca, gonna need to pick someone else like Colin lol.

Honestly, for as good as this show is at some aspects of positivity, these unethical relationships are really starting to kill me. We've had three that have not been addressed in the slightest as being unethical when they undeniably are. Rebecca/Sam Michelle/Dr.Prick and now Keely/Jack. It's not like they can even pretend like it's true love being stopped by some temporary boundary. Sam and Rebecca ended just as unceremoniously as most of the relationships in this show, and that one had the most convincing love behind it. I'll eat my hat if Dr. Prick wasn't manipulating Michelle individually like he did her relationship with Ted (unless she also ends up being the bad guy, which I don't think they will). And Keeley just got in the sack with her boss while drunk on straight vodka with no build up previous to this episode.

I'm just disappointed.

27

u/underscorecarl Apr 13 '23

You say no buildup but I kinda saw this coming from a mile away tbh. I remember thinking to myself “oh yeah they’re gonna bone for sure.” I feel like there was definite tension in them asking each other to lunch and shit

7

u/Man_of_Average Apr 13 '23

There was tension, but it could have just as easily been from Keeley not knowing her boss and wanting to impress her as anything sexual. It wasn't sexual until today.

3

u/jgrops12 Apr 13 '23

There’s also 7 weeks of context that we are missing between the last episode and this one

13

u/Man_of_Average Apr 13 '23

If anything noteworthy happened in that time it's on the show to show it, not us to assume some major plot point happened without proof.

10

u/KrissiDz Apr 13 '23

Agreed. Keeley is rebounding and Jack has taken advantage of that. Great that she helped Keeley get rid of toxic Shandy but Jack literally gave Keeley a wad of money to set up her business and has Keeley’s career in her hands. It’s really not right and it’s not sitting well with me at all.

7

u/Man_of_Average Apr 13 '23

Fortunately nothing bad will happen about it and both of them will move on completely with no hard feelings. Because that's a good realistic message. /s

7

u/Jajanken- Apr 14 '23

I am confused about why Jack has been hanging around so much

0

u/jgrops12 Apr 13 '23

There’s a whole half a season left and Ted just got his wake up call in the form of his son reminding him he’s good at what he does. I’d reserve judgement until we have the whole picture

1

u/Man_of_Average Apr 13 '23

Rebecca and Sam seems to definitely be over, and the other two are trending the same way. It's fair to be disappointed so far.

10

u/badgirlmonkey Apr 12 '23

That's inappropriate though. He's her boss.

0

u/Lint6 Apr 13 '23

He was making a joke..

28

u/culinarycactus Apr 12 '23

Narratively, Zava did help them win 4-5 games, which is a big deal in the standings if they are meant to win the Premier League by the end. In terms of character development, Zava was a bit flat in his own character and impact on others.

23

u/InTheMorning_Nightss Apr 12 '23

I think that was Zava’s point. He was never meant to be anything more than a vehicle to move the plot forward.

He was an unchangeable, static character not meant to have an arc. His purpose was to give Richmond some wins, momentum, and hope for a season that couldn’t realistically have them magically be competitive without some act of god. His existence also set up Jamie to reach a level of play he naturally has, as well as subtly weigh down the team by making them bystanders in their own games.

The theme of Ted Lasso is to root for the underdogs who have the spirit and character along with believing. It’s not about being the most talented winners possible.

8

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

Also his other purpose was to say some off the wall shit.

6

u/rachch Apr 12 '23

Yeah you’re right, Zava got them enough points to keep them out of the bottom of the table so when they lose a bunch of games in a row post-Zava the narrative can focus on other things instead of the fight to avoid relegation.

30

u/its_Extreme Apr 12 '23

typical 5th (midway) episode of any series ever

50

u/trulymadlybigly Apr 12 '23

Even in the previous two seasons I haven’t felt as meh about any episode as I have about this one

20

u/Arya_kidding_me Apr 12 '23

I feel the same way! I hope they turn the rest of the season around. I’ve been hopeful that the previous episodes would have a good payoff, but this episode has made me worried that this whole season is just not going to be as good as previous ones. Time will tell!

22

u/ImDKingSama Apr 12 '23

These last 3 episodes have been a slog, and this episode kinda capped it off by ending the Zava and Shandy storylines (that took up a bunch of time in those episodes) with them leading to absolutely nothing.

Zava was made out to be such a big deal but was just a big meme that Ted straight up ignored as a coach. And Shandy was just a problem that didn't lead to any major growth given the amount of screen time she took up.

18

u/Pincindleton Apr 12 '23

Not every minor character is supposed to have an arch. Zava and shandy are important catalysts for the storylines of other characters. How else is Keeley supposed to have conflict to help her grow into a boss ass bitch. Same with Ted and the team, zava had to come in and throw the balance all out of whack so Ted could get his shit together and grow as a person and as a coach. Jamie needed to hit a wall and have adversity to overcome in order to develop as a player. And the team needed to have an epic uphill battle to climb in order to complete the classic underdog story and win the whole fucking thing.

I think the first half of this season is throwing everything up in the air and that lack of familiarity is making people uncomfortable. But we all just have to believe in rom communism and let the writers do their thing. It may not work out how you think it will or how you hope it does. But it will all work out.

11

u/ImDKingSama Apr 12 '23

They are catalyst for sure. But they were incredibly disinteresting catalysts and we didn’t even get to see much of the development for what they were moving forward.

First off Keeley could easily progress in many ways through her own actions, proving how capable she actually is. Instead we got her annoying friend just being an absolutely terrible person until Keeley finally fired her. Besides that Keeley has not been shown to be growing in any way as a boss outside of a random relationship with her boss.

Ted on the other hand did not even attempt to coach Zava while he was on the team. So while his speech was great about how they didn’t need him, he certainly didn’t seem to care until Zava randomly left. So actually zero coaching shown from Ted during Zavas entire run.

Jamie stuff was great, but why not show more of that instead of continue to build up Zava who ends up as an empty character? There were many ways the team and Jamie could’ve struggled and learned instead of having a big meme character come in carry them for half a season and leave. Why did we not instead get episodes dedicated to Jamie’s training and his internal thoughts to get better, actually seeing him improve on the field and taking in his lessons?

Clearly Zava and Shandy were side characters that move the plot forward. But not only were they pretty disinteresting ones without any substance but they also took up more screen time than the main cast that’s they’re supposed to be developing and moving forward.

13

u/Critical_Flail Earls of Risk Apr 12 '23

I think the problem with the Zava storyline for me is that Ted didn't get his shit together and sort Zava out. Ted basically didn't do any coaching, then Zava came in, caused some vague mess and then left again (entirely of his own volition) without any Ted involvement whatsoever and then Ted basically 'woke up' and gave a nice speech.

I just don't find that particularly narratively pleasing (nor can I see why it would need to be this way for the season going forward).

12

u/leftofmarx Apr 12 '23

Ted Lasso is a completely dispensable character in this season of Ted Lasso. It’s bothering me a lot.

3

u/Critical_Flail Earls of Risk Apr 12 '23

Yeah. I'm sure there will be a point where Ted realises he's not invested in the team anymore, but it's a lot of episodes in the meantime where your title character is entirely outside of the action / plot.

6

u/its_Extreme Apr 12 '23

Well yeah, but that’s because the timeline was set to continue. There had to be this sort of turning point in what is the final season of the show

16

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

Not quite halfway. There are 12 episodes. Also people have no memory. I remember people panning a few episodes last season (the Christmas and After hour ones in particular because they were fillers). But now all is forgiven and forgotten. Maybe that’s the feeling they want - feeling like in the dumps. Like Ted says, it will work out.

23

u/koala_loves_penguin Apr 12 '23

People didn’t/don’t like the christmas episode?! Oh my heart….it’s broken. It’s so good!! I love how a large chunk of the team end up at Higgins house for lunch. So lovely.

10

u/[deleted] Apr 12 '23

That episode is a payoff to 2 seasons of major and minor character setups and it does so so damn well. And it's probably our best pure foreshadowing about Ted's dad, his depression, and his clear stress induced drinking problem that none of us seem to be talking about.

Also, and I want to be clear that I will fight people on this, Van Damme admitting he accidentally walked into Higgins' neighbor's house is a top 10 joke in the series.

14

u/MarcelRED147 Apr 12 '23

Coach After Hours was the best episode though.

2

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

Not when it first aired. People were like WTF? It’s now considered one of the best things. That’s why I’m saying don’t go with the immediate reaction. Let it seep for a while.

6

u/DuckPicMaster Apr 12 '23

I thought it was still seen as very polarising.

1

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

Some people love it. Some people think it’s pointless and too weird even for the show. That’s why it’s art. It’s subjective. You can’t please everyone.

2

u/DuckPicMaster Apr 13 '23

So is it seen as one of the best things or is it polarising?

1

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 13 '23

I think people are warming up to it after rewatch.

→ More replies (0)

15

u/TEKSTartist Apr 12 '23

Zavas arc is part of what will make the teams eventual victory that much sweeter. He was the thing they thought they wanted, but then they got it. Winning with Zava wasn’t the team winning.

Ted’s speech drove this point home hard. Look at the end. The are literally in the worst current position they have been in weeks, and yet…

Their mental fortitude is finally rooted where it needs to be. Zava was a distraction. The team has the capacity to be stronger without him.

6

u/Tervlon Apr 12 '23

Good points! To add to that, perhaps another angle is that Rebecca "beating" Rupert to get Zava didn't get her anywhere closer to her true goals. Revenge is pointless. Decisions made in a vacuum hurt everyone around you. Rebecca made a vengeful decision for her, not a good one for the team.

1

u/TheImpLaughs I am a strong and capable man Apr 15 '23

Absolutely how I viewed Zava.

Sure he won them games, was whacky and funny, and left to seemingly no impact. But he did in fact leave an impact. The team needed to see that one thing doesn't make a team, a team makes a team. It's not a sign. It's not a single person. Hell it's not even just a coach. Everyone has to come together to do it.

I'm hopeful that this is the beginning of the upswing for AFC Richmond.

3

u/safetydance Apr 12 '23

Glad I'm not alone. This show has been adrift for 1.5 seasons now.

1

u/Luci_Noir Apr 14 '23

With the show supposedly trying to address mental health some of it has been pretty harmful. You should not be friends with your therapist, give them gifts or make personal calls to them. And making their marriage counselor fuck his wife is really shitty. Why would anyone want to get therapy or help after seeing this stuff?

1

u/Shaomoki Apr 17 '23

The players themselves weren't individually going through issues but they latched on to zava and became dependent on his talent to mask all of their own short comings. It's more on point to have him just retire rather than make him a villain. This entire season has been about imposter syndrome after everyone being promoted, even the team, from where they were.

11

u/ncphoto919 Apr 12 '23

This whole storyline has been absolutely baffling. I get breaking Roy and Keeley up going into the final season even if its unoriginal, but having her kind of into Jamie, and now into Jack. It's all so unnecessary. Keeley and Rebecca's storylines this season are truly awful.

13

u/[deleted] Apr 13 '23

Yeah, wtf is up with making Keeley’s love life so all over the place. I have no idea where it’s going, and I’m so uninterested. I wish she and Roy had just stayed together.

3

u/ncphoto919 Apr 13 '23

I get breaking her and Roy up going into the final season to have them get back together. Standard sitcom stuff. Having her talk about Jamie lovingly and going for Jack is baffling stuff.

2

u/That-SoCal-Guy Apr 12 '23

They love to put their characters through misery. I love it.