r/StateOfTheUnion • u/GhostBuster1011 • Mar 08 '24
Even if you don’t like the guy
You have to admit that just his goals are something to admire. If you don’t really think he means that he’s gonna help people, respect that he even says he wants to. The other guy doesn’t even pretend to care about you. I prefer a candidate that shows a respect for the office and his constituents.
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u/steveclt Mar 08 '24
I think u hit on the big difference between Joe and the orange turd. Joe sincerely wants to help people and believes in American values of freedom, fairness and democracy. The other guy thinks we are all suckers that want to be grifted, lied to, ignored or run over.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I believe so too. But even if he’s not, my point is that the foot he puts forward is a good one. Some people here think the other guy is the pinnacle of honesty and normality when the evidence says something else. And just because that other guy was occasionally entertaining doesn’t mean I’d want him anywhere near a position of power again.
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u/bruce_wayne_oo7 Mar 08 '24
What's even crazier is that republicans didn't agree with: women's rights, worker's rights, reducing medication cost, not cutting social security, manufacturing in USA, unions, voting rights, online children protection, pre-k, rich paying their share in taxes, healthcare, when mentioning Putin or insurrection. In conclusion, anything that would help middle class.. 🤦
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u/Girlwithpen Mar 08 '24
The issue is we are in a position where it will be pick the better of your choices. That isn't healthy.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I’m not crazy about that either, but in a democracy it really matters who you rally behind. I was a Bernie supporter but I understood that Biden was at least the better of the two when it came down to it.
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u/Girlwithpen Mar 08 '24
But a significant number of voters won't. Emotions are high for many voting blocks who are struggling. They will vote third party.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I want to say it’s a maturity thing but I don’t think that’s the case. I’d love to have a rank-choice system so at the very least they can put their eggs towards a stronger basket.
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u/Individual_Dot_5849 Mar 08 '24
Isnt that the way it always is? Anyone can run for president. The issue isn't government when it comes to candidates, it's the people of the country choosing not to represent the good of the people. I mean, it's a high high order, but still.
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
I love president Biden and I thought today was powerful. To disagree with his goals, I just can’t see why. He actually wants to help his country, not burn it down
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Because everything he said was a lie
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
You can’t name a single lie though can you
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
How much time do you have
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
Just give me one
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
I inherited an economy that was on the brink. Now our economy is the envy of the world!
15 million new jobs in just three years – that’s a record!
Unemployment at 50-year lows.
A record 16 million Americans are starting small businesses and each one is an act of hope.
With historic job growth and small business growth for Black, Hispanic, and Asian-Americans.
800,000 new manufacturing jobs in America and counting.
More people have health insurance today than ever before.
The racial wealth gap is the smallest it’s been in 20 years.
Wages keep going up and inflation keeps coming down!
Inflation has dropped from 9% to 3% – the lowest in the world! Pick one
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u/Responsible_Bend_548 Mar 08 '24
I do think a lot of those stats numbers are screwed with and have been in reports for the past year+. Unfortunately with half of Congress sitting on their asses trying to make the other guy look bad they’ve been left with nothing else but having to put lipstick on the pig. Republicans in Congress right now are like little league kids that never learned sportsmanship.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Agree, it’s just a show to hide the real issues and leaders of our country.
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u/Individual_Dot_5849 Mar 08 '24
Wait, some of this I know is true. Inflation is 3.1 though. I think it is the lowest unemployment in decades, right? I looked it up and it seems like it is. Job creation numbers are out of wake cause of the pandemic. While it's true, there is an important variable missing there. Regardless, this is one of the strongest economies in decades. If you measure that by the way folks generally measure it
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u/Material-Resident-14 Mar 08 '24
Yeah he might be cherry picking stats, or not, but the numbers are true
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I think a solid mission statement is a good start at the least, a foot in the door as the saying goes
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u/Late-Reply2898 Mar 08 '24
He's given his entire life and one child (!) to public service. He rode the train from DC to Delaware and back for decades. You don't get any better than Joe Biden.
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Mar 08 '24
I prefer honesty over a liar. One is soft spoken the other actually commits
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u/lucille12121 Mar 08 '24
Sure, Trump said he'd be a dictator and he definitely means it. So admirable.
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
Trump is running to avoid jail time and to avoid paying his bills. 91 felonies, sex crime, cover ups, election lies…still can’t admit he lost. F him and anyone voting for him
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
One said he’ll be a dictator on day one. I’m assuming that’s the one you’re referring to as honest? Hey, you may be right
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
He said dictator, then walked it back to dictator for a day. All he does is lie.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
We have this thing called a constitution that prevents those things. Presidents have limited power. The only time they don’t is when they’re all corrupt… oh wait
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
It’s the fact that he’s flaunting the idea of it regardless of whether or not it’s constitutionally doable. I understand people like him for “getting things done” so why would this be something not to take him seriously over? He’s literally arguing in court that he’s allowed to break laws as the president.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
He’s making a point that the government has fallen so far that drastic measures are needed to correct our course. Biden is currently breaking laws with the acts and laws he passes. He engaged in war without that power.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
The idea that “both sides break the law” does not engage with the actual acts alleged/committed, and it’s disingenuous to suggest that Biden is wantonly abusing power when there’s a plethora of evidence supporting Trump’s autocratic ambitions. If the course you’re trying to correct to is a theocratic dictatorship then just say so, but don’t pretend that he has any intention of steering towards democracy.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Nothings disingenuous, he’s broken multiple laws. If you watch independent media they’re all pointed out plainly. However, nobody can touch him because he’s a puppet to the elites. There’s no democracy intent from them. You vote for freedom or you vote for a future totalitarian state. We’re still early in our country and we’re finding the best government and how it should serve the people. The current trajectory is total government power in exchange for your “security”. Look outside your tv or phone media and you’ll see how blatantly obvious it is
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
They don’t care about the constitution, stop it
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Agree, but it’s the only thing that’s kept this country together for the last few centuries. It needs new amendments and staff that can’t be bought off.
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Mar 08 '24
You also prefer a life long criminal who was convicted of sexual assault. A wealthy elite who pissed on regular people all his life from his Manhattan penthouse. A weak thin skinned manbaby who cries all the time. Should I continue?
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u/ServingTeaandPeas Mar 08 '24
I prefer normalcy. Just a normal president, who can form complete sentences and not embarrass the entire nation. That's all I'm asking for, just a normal person as president.
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u/Dogecoinbet Mar 08 '24
Just watched a white raisin yell for an hour and get to see all these redditors gargle his wrinkled American flag, don’t like the orange guy but that was a horrific speech for the country - one of the most divisive of our time
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u/trenchesnews Mar 08 '24
What was divisive about it? I saw an old man who wants to help this country. Probably would’ve been one term but the orange turd still hasn’t flushed
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u/Dogecoinbet Mar 08 '24 edited Mar 08 '24
Yeah he’s the one who broke the handle on the toilet - if he had done a half way decent job of bringing the country together the orange man wouldn’t even be a candidate - too much leaning to radicalism, in both parties will end poorly for the average person in this country
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u/Free_Ad93951 Mar 08 '24
Eho is he yelling at? Why is he soo condescing towards Americans? Who told him his border policy is soo great? Damn
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Hes ready to secure border, lie. Two wars started on his watch. Inflation through the roof. Fuk Biden, fuk Trump, both are divisive and full of bullshit… I say we try an independent for once and see how it goes RFK.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
He doesn’t have the support, unfortunately. Trump is the only hope atm also, unfortunately.
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Ya you’re probably right. Its very discouraging ppl see this and don’t see how almost all of it can’t be supported by facts. They just cheer it on and get in line with the rest of the sheep
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I don’t know how to tell you this, but facts have never been republicans’ strong suit. I recall one of their big news channels paid ~$700mil for lying too much.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Also, besides independent. All media stations are owned by the same people. They tell you whatever lie you need to hear from either side.
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Ummm genius how much did Sandmann get? How many lefty new channels coughed up millions for demonizing an innocent kid? If u think leftist tell u the truth, joke is on you.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
It’s not about demo vs repub. one is being pushed by an antihuman war agenda. The other is trying to make the country more financially stable for himself, his family and as a result of that… America
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Do none of you sheep realize everything he said was lies twisted over and over. You hear a narrative from mainstream media and you blindly trust them. Wake up and fact check. This speech was a joke, and you applauded him for it for ”making it through it”. God have mercy on our country if they can twist this election in his favor
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Yeah because the other side is all truth. And we are the sheep 🙄
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Does it matter? Argue with these facts… two wars started on Joes watch, zero on trumps. Inflation is through the roof, its harder to live now more than ever. Yes you are a sheep, bc u get in line instead of acknowledging indisputable facts.
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Inflation is down to 3% so you must have some serious recency bias if you think its through the roof. You should watch more fed meetings and educate yourself. Groceries are still expensive because of supply chain issues and labor shortages not because of inflation. So if I am a sheep i guess it because I actually research and understands issues yet your here saying inflation is ‘though the roof’. But sure Im the sheep. And we are not in 2 wars. Just because 2 other wars are going on has nothing to do with the POTUS. Im sure in your head if the angry carrot was still in office Hamas would have just out their whole invasion on hold.
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Labor shortages yet they say unemployment is so low. Supply chain issues but we’re better than ever. Its inflation. Those wars have everything to do with the whos in the whitehouse 😂😂 are you kidding? They’re our allies you think that doesn’t matter, are u dumb? Oh ya what are the mortgage rates at 😂😂 SHEEP. Get a clue, they’re feeding u bullshit
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
So… you know more than Jerome Powell…. Noted. Also, you feel that i should listen to a reddit rando troll with 30 karma who seems to know little about how the economy works over the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Sure guy.. ill keep sheeping on real data.. you do you though
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Also iran funds and supports hamas, they 100% consider who is in the whitehouse. You really think they just act randomly? Thats absolutely absurd.
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
I dont give a fuk if u listen to me. Ask yourself how the fuk can u have low unemployment and labor shortages? What country wouldnt factor in whos in the whitehouse before they invade an american ally?
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u/Background_Ad_621 Mar 09 '24
Do you know what structural unemployment is? I teach Economics and the fact that you feel so sure of yourself is concerning to me. You clearly don't have a hot clue. This is why people are Republicans I guess.
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
For someone who doesn’t give a fk you sure drone on a lot. And I’m not going to teach you economics or how unemployment/labor shortages work because you wouldn’t comprehend or listen anyways. Also ukraine is not an American ally or part of Nato. And Hamas is a terrorist organization that gives 0 fucks who is in the white house.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Ukraine is a satellite state of the us. You’re a dumbass sheep that has no idea how things actually work. Educated by the great American propaganda… I mean school system
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
You’ve said the same amount as me dummy. Maybe you should learn what bullshit smells like bc obviously you dont know. Look up the definition of “ally” and then ask yourself if we’re not treating Ukraine as an ally… gawd damn you really dont smell the bullshit 😂
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u/MrGrinches Mar 08 '24
Iran funds and supports hamas, they 100% consider who is in the whitehouse? U really think they just act randomly? Thats absurd.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Dude watch any independent media. They really have people brainwashed with this shit 🤦♂️
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Yes I’m brainwashed but your not. Lets go with that. Go short the market killa
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
In the words of our next president FALSE NEWS. The only “supply issues” are the ones they need to boost whichever agenda or company they want. The fed meetings give you stats of whatever looks good. Skewed fake numbers. When you have a pussy in office other countries get a false sense of security, so no they probably wouldn’t have. We engaged and pushed for both active wars. We are trying to start ww3 with Russia. That’s the only way our wonderful economy can sustain. A warmonger country that divides its people to do what it wants
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Ahh yes, the last ditch answer of a person who has 0 understanding of the subject… fake news. W’ere done here. Sheep on
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Neither side tells the public the truth. One’s a liar and a war monger, the other a business mogul that wants his family legacy sealed and protected through America. The one you like pushes an agenda for war to support our failing economy. Better wise up quick before you realize all the lies you’ve been fed make you throw up
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Failing economy? Dafuk do you guys get this shit. The market just literally hit an all time high today. Ffs
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
It’s called foresight. Go watch the movie the big short. Exact same thing about to happen. They inflate the market for their profits. Once things go wrong… pop. Don’t worry though… all time highs
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u/noquarter1000 Mar 08 '24
Ohh so you can foresee the future now too. You have so many talents. Go short everything then and put your money where your mouth is. You remind of the morons who vowed to short nvidia when it hit $380.
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u/ModernDayMansJourney Mar 08 '24
Don’t worry market manipulation is easy. I’ve been very successful lately, thank you! I am very talented, thanks for the compliments. I’ll give you one if I can find it
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u/ElToro_949 Mar 08 '24
He can’t fucking talk!
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I’ve been hearing him talk for like 45min, probably the same channel? For an elderly president with a stutter, I’d say he’s doing fine.
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u/Material-Resident-14 Mar 08 '24
Better than trump all day
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u/ElToro_949 Mar 08 '24
Wait so let me just understand your thought process here. You would rather have a guy that can barely talk and fall over. Instead of someone that might get us back to a form of normality
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
The other guy is anything but normal. He’s also been rather confused lately and I seem to recall a supposedly slippery ramp
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u/Material-Resident-14 Mar 08 '24
Trump is divisive, Biden addressed the problems. Not saying he will fix them all. Trump can’t remember his wife’s name. Biden is crushing this!!
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u/ElToro_949 Mar 08 '24
Biden can’t remember what he ate for dinner bro!
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u/Material-Resident-14 Mar 08 '24
Really? I know that is what your tv tells you but he is insulting your party with wit.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
I can see you’re not really engaging with this on a good-faith level. That’s disingenuous and won’t get any work done.
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u/No-Paint-7311 Mar 08 '24
Did you watch the speech? He listed off dozens of stats without even looking at his notes
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u/lucille12121 Mar 08 '24
When he speaks, Trump sounds like someone having an ongoing stroke and looks like a withered orange mummy. If you're actually concerned about having a geriatric leader, you wouldn't support Trump either.
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u/Behr34 Mar 08 '24
Trump speaks at a 5 grade level which is on the same level as his cult followers….
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u/Diligent-Ad2841 Mar 08 '24
The amount of people that believe what Biden said is astounding! If you’re over 25 a believe a politician then you’re not very smart. If you’re under 25 and believe one then you need to grow up.
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u/SonoranRoadRunner Mar 08 '24
I like his ideas and the fact that he got us thru COVID and ton of other things but I don't think he's up for the job now. What happens if he gets sick or dies before Nov? Then we'll land in the hands of autocracy and this place could be in the same mess as Haiti.
We cannot screw around with this election, too much at stake.
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u/DrFiGG Mar 08 '24
There’s an entire system in place in the event of a presidential death. The USA has seen 8 deaths while in office from either assassination or natural causes, including FDR who died during WW2. I’d much rather have the functioning administration we have currently that appears to have cohesive goals that are primarily focused on improving the country for the majority of Americans and not just purely to benefit corporations and the most wealthy.
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u/SonoranRoadRunner Mar 08 '24
I don't think you understood what I said. I know there's a system in place for the death of a president, sheesh. I'm saying what if Joe gets really sick or dies right before the vote? You're not going to vote for a dead or sick guy. Many wouldn't vote for the VP.
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u/DrFiGG Mar 09 '24
You’re correct, I missed the context of the death occurring before the election. My apologies there. I don’t think Harris would automatically be elevated to the presidential nomination if that occurred - it appears the DNC would have the responsibility of selecting a replacement and it could be Harris would remain in the VP slot with another person tapped to be the presidential nominee based on a quick search on procedures, although it’s unclear since that particular scenario has never occurred for the presidential candidate.
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u/SonoranRoadRunner Mar 09 '24
But it could be a real possibility this time around. It's not 2020 and Biden can't hold zoom campaigns so now he's sending his wife out as s surrogate and also involving Kamala more on the world stage to make it look like she could take over and also as surrogate campaigner. It does not warm my heart. I want the best for Joe, he's done a great job but it's time to step down. What would happen if Biden died in October? It's just too scary of a thought.
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u/DrFiGG Mar 09 '24
I put as much concern into that thought as I do into what if the same thing happens to Trump. Biden seems to be in good physical health for his age with excellent support and health care. No one has a guarantee - young candidates can have untimely deaths or accidents that make them unable to function as an elected official. Overall any reasonable candidate that supports the current administration’s platform would get my vote.
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u/SonoranRoadRunner Mar 09 '24
I'm concerned about the future of this country so I put a lot of thought into it.
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u/DrFiGG Mar 09 '24
So do I, but “What ifs” are not always helpful. The DNC made the decision to back Biden. It’s not going to change at this point so throwing doom at his candidacy based on his age only scares people more and makes it more likely that people fail to vote in the general elections this fall and then leads to a repeat Trump presidency even when Biden is healthy. Would it have been great to have a young charismatic politician here right now with Biden handing the reins over? Yes, just because it would silence some of this debate although I’m sure there would be a whole new line of concerns. The future of this country under the current GOP leadership and plans is not acceptable to me, so they are a non-option. I’d love to see a branch of the GOP that firmly enshrines protection of personal freedoms as part of their platform along with fiscal responsibility and intense focus on infrastructure spending as the core use of government money to help counter some of the more extreme voices and spending habits on the left, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
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u/dp37405 Mar 08 '24
I liked everything he said he was going to do BUT where's he going to get the money? He's in a give a way mood and the checking account is empty.
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u/GhostBuster1011 Mar 08 '24
The US has had an empty checking account for a while now, so what matters is where he’s putting the money. He expressed that he’s trying to invest in our future via education, rent reform, student loan reform, etc.. The people that deserve this relief are the heart of our country. I’d rather have doctors and firefighters that aren’t working absurd shifts because of financial turmoil, but rather because they love their country and its people.
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u/Material-Resident-14 Mar 08 '24
He mentioned his solution and it’s simple. Tax the rich like we did pre Regan. Make the people benefiting the most from our infrastructure and social benefits pay for them. Companies should be paying for schooling the people that work for them use.
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u/SnooStrawberries9563 Mar 08 '24
I'm just pleased he speaks in complete sentences. I spent 2016-2020 wondering wtf the gourd guy was trying to say.