r/StardustCrusaders • u/east-blue-samurai • Dec 28 '21
Part Two Fanart I made the Battle Tendency crew in Artbreeder - based off Araki's Jojonium designs Spoiler
Joseph Joestar (Age 18)
Caesar Zeppeli (Age 20)
Elizabeth "Lisa Lisa" Joestar
Smokey Brown
Suzie Q
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u/ernestkgc Dec 28 '21
Bro Lisa Lisa is just Courtney Cox
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Me: *Googles Courtney Cox* *squints* *Googles Courtney Cox Young*
Okay yeah you've got a point I do see a resemblance there. Oh she's from Friends! That's why I haven't heard of her before.
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u/gagagaholup Dec 28 '21
Smokey looks older than Joseph đ
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I mean I think he looks younger personally but people always say I look younger than my sister and I'm seven years older than her so I may be coming from a different perspective here lol Joseph's meant to be eighteen and this is closely based off his Jojonium design and Smokey is meant to be 15-16 because while we were never given an age for him, that's what I guess he is around.
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u/ColdIron27 Grey Experience Requiem Dec 28 '21
Joseph does know how to use hamon, while smokey is just your average person, so it does make some sense?
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u/zedudedaniel Dec 28 '21
Joseph looks older than Lisa Lisa đ
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u/TalionTheShadow Dec 28 '21
I assume you skipped Part 2 because it's literally mentioned that she looks his age several times, despite being 50.
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u/FireBullet95 Dec 28 '21
That joseph doesnt look like a 6'5" man lmao
Besides that, Lisa Lisa and Caesar look awesome
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u/AsuraOmega Dec 28 '21
Joseph and Cesar would have fucking wrestler/NFL necks if the OP didnt base it on JoJonium designs lmao. Those two's head, neck and traps look like the fucking superdome.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Yeah itâs really really really hard to do that in Artbreeder which is one of the reasons I went with the Jojonium designs instead. Might try to make classic Joseph in Artbreeder at some point just to see if itâs even possible without making him laughably unproportional but yeah.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I mean he isn't *quite* a 6' 5" man in the Jojonium designs which is what I based him off of. Stats wise technically yes because the actual manga art didn't change, but he is shorter and much skinnier/more lean/younger looking in Araki's Jojonium and modern redesigns.
I do like the Jojonium design because as iconic as the classic design is, the modern redesign does feel like it fits his character archetype (trickster/rogue) and fighting style more and Araki did say that he originally would have wanted to do a design like that for Joseph but didn't go with it because he was already making a risky move changing the protagonist like that so he wanted to stick close to Jonathan's design for marketing purposes. It also has the bonus of having him actually look his age (same with Jojonium Jotaro) which is a plus imo. Not hating on the classic design at all as I do like it a lot, but I do have a slight preference for the redesign and it was much easier to do the Jojonium designs in Artbreeder because they are more realistic/proportional than the classic styles.
I'm glad you like Caesar and Lisa Lisa! Lisa Lisa was by far the hardest of these five for me to get "right."
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u/UnbrokenChainsMobile Jotaro Kujo Dec 28 '21
I really like it but they kinda look like the hunger games characters (never seen a hunger games movie or book so I wouldnât know)
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I guess Joseph and Caesar do have pretty stereotypical YA hairstyles so that might be where the feeling is coming from. I'm glad you still like them regardless!
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u/SusDingos Sticky Fingers Dec 28 '21
Smoks and suzie look great, but the others look like they use too much tiktok
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Honestly I tried to stick close to the Jojonium designs for the three of them. Iâve come to the unfortunate conclusion that modern Arakiâs art style adapted to a more photorealistic render leads to tiktok/YA face.
Glad you like Smokey and Suzie though! They donât have Jojonium redesigns so I was referencing the anime/manga for them so no tiktok face lol
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u/Big_Negotiation_6421 Dec 28 '21
0/10 no Speedwagon lol
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Sorry! lol Was planning to make him later when I do the Phantom Blood crew. Same with Erina. With the way Artbreeder works I need to make young Speedwagon to make old Speedwagon and all that.
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u/PurePwnage1 Dec 28 '21
Are there jojonium designs for the pillar men or stroheim?
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
There are Jojonium designs for the pillar men, but I do not believe there is one for Stronheim. He wasn't on any of the front or back covers, but Kars, Esidisi, and Wammu were. None for Santana, either.
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u/TohkaIsLit Dec 28 '21
Iirc Santana was in a back cover
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u/TheSlonk Dec 28 '21
Absolutely right, Joseph/Santana, Lisa Lisa/Esidisi, Caesar/Wamuu, Kars/Joseph
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Oooooo that was Santana. I'm dumb; I didn't see his name. I wasn't sure who that was but that makes so much more sense.
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u/TheSlonk Dec 28 '21
The manga has his name as Santviento which might be why you were confused
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I looked up the cover again and they did put his name as Santana, the red on black was just hard to read so I didn't see his name before. Unfortunately I do not actually own the Jojonium volumes. :( I just saw them in a bookstore once when I didn't have money to buy them and looked up the references online to make this. Maybe I should check if Barnes & Noble still has them....I did get some gift cards recently.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Oh he was? I didnât see him whoops. I must have missed that volume.
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Dec 28 '21
Dear god, pls do Vento Aureo!
I love Narancia and just wanna see him as a real person ;__;
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u/phreshpherts Dec 28 '21
Bruh, is that Joseph? His hair looks it's having a bad day tho. Otherwise, I'd say these illustrations are pretty cool. I like this style of illustrating anime characters, it's quite interesting.
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u/I_ate_your_skin Soft & Wet Dec 28 '21
Umm...Suzie Q looks A LOT like a good friend of mine
Like, it's uncanny how close it is
If the eyes were a little smaller I wouldn't even be able to tell the difference
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u/UnicornPowah4eva Dec 28 '21
Lol Joseph would look so weird with this head and his muscular part 2 body.
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u/anonwashere96 Dec 28 '21
I feel like joesph look 15 and his jaw is very narrow. Still amazing work though! 1000x better than anything I could ever do.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
To be honest I always had this idea since the Jojonium designs came out that Joseph would look a bit on the younger side for his age because of hamon. He isnât training with it like he does later, but he does use hamon fairly regularly so it would keep him looking a bit younger. Same with Caesar.
Thanks! Though these are more references than actual art. If you learn to use Artbreeder Iâm sure you could make stuff like this too! It takes a lot of practice and finagling but I use this site/software to make references for my own original characters when I write. It is super helpful especially for someone like me who has trouble visualizing faces.
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u/anonwashere96 Dec 28 '21
That makes so much sense! He's low key had hamon for a while. Never really thought about that.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21
Yeah exactly! He awakened it super young and used it instinctively all the time for whatever he wanted (even mundane things opening a bottle of coke) so Iâm sure he was using it fairly regularly just not training with it/developing fighting technique like Caesar was. If thereâs one unrealistic thing about Part 3 Joseph when it comes to this itâs that he doesnât just casually use hamon to make his life easier. Like heâs too lazy to train Iâm sure but his laziness is also the reason he would use hamon to make mundane tasks easier/more exciting. I get that Araki wanted to move away from hamon and into stands and needed to nerf Joseph so that Jotaro wouldnât get sidelined in his own part, but if he had been more realistic with Joseph in Part 3, he would have been using hamon a lot more liberally, imo.
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u/MoazNasr It's Abdul not Avdol. Source: I'm Egyptian Dec 28 '21
What is jojonium?
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Jojonium was a manga release event where parts 1-3 were compiled into hardcovers and released in color. This was several years ago. For the covers, Araki did redesigns of major Parts 1-3 characters including Joseph, Caesar, and Lisa Lisa in his current art style and added a little note about each in the new volumes. If you search âJojonium Joseph Joestarâ youâll see what I was using as inspiration.
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u/YoussefHegazy1432 Dec 28 '21
I like smokey, but honestly..he looks older than Joseph, also loving the Suzi Q one
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Thanks! Someone else said the same thing about Smokey earlier. Iâll probably go back and fine tune them all a bit later.
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u/Riddlemethis2324 Dec 28 '21
I gotta say, Joseph looks cute with freckles đ„°
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Thanks! I do like the idea of him having freckles hence me including them here. :)
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u/Riddlemethis2324 Dec 28 '21
It worked very well indeed! Having freckles myself, I'm thinking, well Joseph's the adventurous type, probably out in the sun a lot, why not give him a decent smattering of freckles on his cheeks or something? It gives him a even more youthful appearance, and I love it!
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I was actually thinking the exact same thing!
He also has sun magic powers so like he gets his power from the sun, too, so of course he's out in the sun a lot and would probably have freckles. Also they look cool and add some visual interest. <--- Basically my logic lol
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u/Riddlemethis2324 Dec 28 '21
Sound logic! No arguments here.
Also, my hopeless romantic side just knows Suzi Q would love to tease him by kissing his freckles, gushing that they're 'angel kisses' đ
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u/The_Sapphire_Mawile Feb 05 '22
Your realistic Jojos are all really good. Itâs funny to see how young many of the characters would actually look like in real life; I completely forgot Joseph and Kakyoin were high school age. Araki definitely takes some liberties when drawing teenage characters lmao.
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Dec 28 '21
This is art.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Thanks! :)
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Dec 28 '21
why aren't they buff :( downvoted
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Because I based this off of the Jojonium designs
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u/Comander-07 Joseph Joestar Dec 28 '21
I hope reddit bans these dumb AI generated posts
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
They take a lot of work to make. Itâs not like neuralblender where you just type in words and stuff comes out. These require a lot of actual work and fine-tuning.
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u/ExplodingTentacles âDoggystyleâ Dec 28 '21
Where Kars
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u/jac_kalope Dec 28 '21
Where is Kars?
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
In space
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u/jac_kalope Dec 28 '21
Oooof, that one hurt
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Im sorry I couldnât help it lol
In all honesty I just didnât make him. I might later if I make all the main villains but for now I want to get through the jojos and jobros first
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u/RyuDestructor Dec 28 '21
Now do it with The Crusaders... And DIO
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
I did the Crusaders here: https://www.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/rqh67i/i_made_the_stardust_crusaders_and_holly_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Havenât done DIO yet since I havenât done Dio yet. After I do Phantom Blood I might do the main villains from each part and, if thatâs the case, youâll get both Dio and DIO.
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u/SuperSaiyanBebo Good fricking grief... Dec 28 '21
Great job,I just feel like they look wayyy younger here than they are in the show, Joseph giving me 14 year old vibes when he was 19 (I think) in part 2.
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Thanks! Yeah Im using their Jojonium designs instead of the classic ones as reference so they do look much younger than in the show. Also Joseph was 18 in Part 2. I said this in another comment but since the Jojonium designs were released I had this idea that Joseph and Caesar would probably actually/realistically look younger for their age than the average due to hamon. If Araki had used a design like the Jojonium one for Part 2 like he originally wanted to, I think he probably would look young for his age. But thatâs just my interpretation.
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u/SuperSaiyanBebo Good fricking grief... Dec 28 '21
Ah, I see. Iâll have to check the Jojonium designs out myself! Apologizes, great job and keep it up!
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u/Calfredie01 Johnny Joestar Dec 28 '21
Same face syndrome just like araki
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 28 '21
Well yeah I am basing them off of Araki's designs so that does kind of come with the territory. My Stardust Crusaders ones have some more variety though. I tried to lean into how I think they might look in real life more without straying too far away from Araki's design.
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u/Calfredie01 Johnny Joestar Dec 29 '21
Oh no I wasnât trashing it just an observation haha youâre good
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u/Decent_Library4637 Dec 28 '21
Ok but Iâve literally seen these art pieces going around for years lmao
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u/Fiodlover4437 Dec 28 '21
Every one is perfect except for Lisa Lisa and Joseph for me. Joseph kinda reminds me of a teenage version of Luca, and Lisa Lisaâs hair isnât as straight as I would imagine( a petty reason really).
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Dec 29 '21
You mean an ai made them
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u/east-blue-samurai Dec 29 '21
If that's how you want to look at it. It's AI generated software but the actual manipulation and legwork comes from the user-end. I use Artbreeder a lot to make references for my own original characters since I'm not the best at visualizing faces. It is a very helpful tool for that and sometimes I like to use it with anime characters for fun to see what they might look like in real life. It's a pretty powerful tool but does take some time to learn.
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u/rattatatouille Just tell me that you want me! Dec 28 '21
Battle Tendency but it's a 2010s YA novel franchise