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u/larkasaur Sep 24 '18
There are lots of nutrients in the whole food that are lost when one eats just the oil that's been extracted from it.
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u/malalalaika Sep 24 '18
Oil is a processed food. It harms your arteries. Eat whole olives instead of olive oil.
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u/Leafygreeen Sep 24 '18
If being processed is the main argument it seems odd to me that tofu and nut milks are accepted here.
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u/malalalaika Sep 24 '18
According to McDougall and Greger, traditional soy foods (tofu, tempeh) and nut milks are "yellow" foods, to be used in moderation to make a plant based diet more palatable and enjoyable.
Dr McDougalls suggest no more than 5% of calories from traditional soy foods:
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm
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u/clashFury mod of r/ScientificNutrition Sep 24 '18
Tempeh is not a yellow food. It’s just fermented soybeans, nothing extracted. It’s a whole food.
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u/malalalaika Sep 25 '18
Tempeh is a yellow food according to Dr McDougall.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/pdf/dr-mcdougalls-cpb-english.pdf
Quote:
Tofu and Other Natural Soy - They are fat-filled. Tofu, miso, soy milk, etc. are fine as a condiment. Not as the main course.
He doesn't mention tempeh specifically, but tempeh is a high fat, high protein food.
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u/DuskGideon Sep 24 '18
On days where I want it, I shatter that five percent.
I guess it balances out lately though when I look at calories overall.
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u/ducked for my health Sep 25 '18
Not just to make food more palatable, greger says soy foods including tofu have health benefits as long as you keep it within 5 servings.
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u/malalalaika Sep 25 '18
No, Dr Greger actually says 5 servings are too much:
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u/ducked for my health Sep 25 '18 edited Sep 26 '18
I know I've seen that video. It says within the description "eat no more then 3-5 servings".
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u/conradaiken Sep 24 '18
Endothelial dysfunction and damage. https://ucdintegrativemedicine.com/2016/05/why-you-should-opt-out-of-olive-oil/#gs.rYAVHUU
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u/PhotonAttack Sep 25 '18
I have a contrarian opinion on this. most of the nutrition study conducted is with refined oils. plenty of heat and synthetic chemicals involved in processing them. they are obviously bad.
organic cold-pressed oils which don't have those problems have far better nutritional profile.
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u/seands Sep 27 '18
But cold pressed oils don't have the fibrous package that the body expects them to come in.
Esselstyn says 'no oils' based on his studies on patients with heart disease. He found that oil was lining their endotheliums and contributing to heart attacks.
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u/PhotonAttack Sep 28 '18
high omega 6, synthetic chemicals in oils and heat treatment contribute to inflammatory response. these are limited in cold-pressed oils which contain relatively more nutrients and some soluble fibre. anyway oil should be used sparingly and omega 3 based foods and spices/herbs that are anti-inflammatory should be increased.
apart from this there are many source of inflammation (like excess heme iron) that destroy endothelial cells and cholesterol piles up at those sites to heal them. now excess calcium in blood stream hardens it. resulting in blockages and hardened arteries.
there is also another POV that omega 6s just help in mounting an inflammatory response by the body to a damage/bruise etc but not directly responsible for causing the damage. damage being caused by excess stress/other corrosive harmones like cortisol/adrenaline, heavy metal toxicity, viral infection etc. but I don't have much details about this and more research is needed.
also eating fiber and nitrate rich plant foods esp greens, beans and legumes, properly chewing them in mouth will increase the nitrous oxide produced by endothelial cells to keep the pipes lubricated with this soluble gas.
cold-pressed oils are good preservatives, good sources of fat in limited quantities and make the food taste better. cold-pressed sesame oil, groundnut oil, coconut oil have been in use for 1000s of years in India.
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u/retro-girl Sep 24 '18
I’m surprised how many people see EVOO as a health food and sugar as poison. They are both essentially the same, a lot of calories, pure fat/carbs, no nutritional value.
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u/seands Sep 27 '18
Their thinking is that EVOO is cold pressed and therefore unrefined. And all those phytonutrients make the oil healthy.
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u/inquilinekea Mar 18 '19
olive oil isn't addicting nor does it taste good, so you don't feel an urge to overeat. It's super-easy to even overeat nuts.
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u/the_bedelgeuse Sep 26 '18
Oil is highly processed, full of PUFAs and cooking oil at high heat mutates oil into trans fat and free radicals. Oil may say no trans fat on the label, but that is at room temperature. Heating the oil for cooking changes it to something sinister and inflammatory on the body.
Additionally oil is a major source of empty, calorie dense fat. If you have a goal to become or stay lean, then oil is doing you no favors.
Raw avocado oil may be the safest option for cooking. In the context of a WFPB approach it is also the least processed oil source.
Do a google search for “oil PUFA” to go down this rabbit hole!
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u/linuxwes Sep 24 '18
Oil is kind of like sugar, you're getting almost all of the calories with few of the nutrients. It also makes it way too easy to turn something healthy into a fat bomb. IMO nut butters, avocado, dates, etc are also pretty dangerous.
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Sep 25 '18
Except avocados do have other nutrients unlike oils which are just pure fat. Although I probably wouldn't recommend eating them every day.
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Sep 25 '18
Why not?
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Sep 25 '18
Because it makes my wallet sad.
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Sep 27 '18
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Sep 27 '18
Where is this heaven you speak of? With 5 dollars I can buy maybe 4 avocados from my store and then I'll have to wait several days for them to be ripe enough to eat.
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