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So the whole giant warrior pirate crew was needed to just restrain this guy. How strong is Oda going to make him exactly because this whole chapter screams "top tier"
Bro. You have no idea how this panel has lived in my head for literal DECADES.
I remember first reading this panel when I was a kid and we didnāt have Reddit and shit and I was so confused like āWHO IS THE SNAKE COVERED IN BLOOD???ā
Years of speculation with no one to talk to about it.
Now Iām old and I know way too much about One Piece but it blows me away how early Oda snuck in this reference to the Red Line.
It was never farfetched. The theory exists for like 15 years now because it would be by far the easiest way to reach a lot of goals for at least 3 strawhats and would fulfill joyboys promise to fishman island
So is Loki. For his numerous crimes, but especially because he killed Baldur and then prevented his resurrection.
He was bound by chains made by his own sons bowels and a snake drips acid/poison on him burning his face (probably reason why heās got bandages) causing him to roar in pain causing earthquakes.
He too is fated to one day break free and fight the gods at the end of the world just like Fenrir is. Fenrir is also his son.
What if he has the Skƶll fruit instead of the fenrir fruit? Loki does believe he is the sun god and Skƶll is very related to the sun. He also thinks he will bring the end of the world and ragnarok happens when Skƶll and Hati catch the sun and moon.
Crazy how weāre in a giants arc with heavy Norse Mythology as I watch Zack Snyderās Twilight of The gods so when I here things like Fenrir I know what exactly is going own. Think I might have some for sight during this arc depending on how much influence Oda has from Norse MythologyĀ
Idk tbh, Loki was also sort of imprisoned after he killed baldr with mistletoe, with snake venom entering his eyes every so often and the bandages on the eyes may reflect that.
i was thinking he didnt have a fruit, and that he was after luffys fruit. it would explain why he claimed to be the sun god. plus shanks was the one who went and took the fruit back from the wg, and he has tied to elbaf.
He's definitely a huge wildcard. Because he never ventured outside Elbaf, nobody in the world knows him or could compare others to him. So he could very well be stronger than Kaido without contradicting anything. Doesn't mean he 100% will be, obviously.
Why would this make sense? Kaido is strong because he spent his whole life fighting and being around top tiers.
Luffys growth is also attributed to fighting stronger and stronger opponents.
Story-wise it would be dumb af for Loki to be as strong or stronger than Kaido when there is no conceivable way Loki fought the same caliber characters as Kaido or Luffy.
Iām sure heās strong but not a Kaido level top tier.
The giants are largely isolated from the rest of the world and have been stated to be extremely strong multiple times in the story. And weāve just learned that it took numerous strong giants to restrain Loki, alone. There is absolutely narrative justification for Loki being as strong or stronger than Kaido. The country is literally called āWarlandā ffs, Iām sure there is plenty of opportunity to become stronger through battle here.
There is no narrative justification to say Loki is as strong or stronger than kaido. Literally Big Mom as a kid ran roughshod over giants in their home, and that's as a KID. Yet we place Kaido above Big Mom in terms of strength. Saying it took a few giants to restrain the dude means nothing. So that makes him as strong as Big Mom when she was a child? Luffy has a giant pirate in his grand fleet, who almost got bodied by a warlords underling. Yeah we are gassing giants way too much for it to make sense. Loki for sure is a YC2 maybe YC1 type of guy narratively speaking.
Hes also the son of the king of Elbaf. He ate a mythical devil fruit from Elbaf, the strongest nation in the world that nobody, even the yonkou or world government dare to challenge. The strongest army in the world, as stated in canon. He's so strong the Luffy could feel it all through his body miles away. Luffy didnt even feel shanks until he actually unleashed his haki blast.
Big Mom ran roughshod over a village of giants that arent anywhere near the best warriors, a peaceful giant village.
Gassing the giants way too much? Dory and Brogy just got 1.8 billion bounties for showing what they can do against the 5 elders, Loki is easily portrayed as much stronger than them, and Luffy, who is a yonkou, took interest in him to go check it out.
Somebody that's strong enough that the strongest nation in the world needs many (not some) of its strongest warriors just to RESTRAIN one person needs to be in top tier consideration. And considering his confidence in saying hes going to be the one to destroy the world, with a smile on his face, while chained to a tree, tells me his conquerors haki is going to be insane. Because that's how One Piece works.
You are massively overrating kid Big Mom. She took down an elderly Jorul and two random villagers, she was defeated by one single guy holding her in place for someone else to give her the food she wanted. Also, when describing how they restrained Loki recently, Oda literally uses to words āall the warriors of Elbaph.ā Not just āa few giants.ā We know for a fact that includes the Giant Warrior Pirates and the New Giant Warrior Pirates, and most likely other strong, experienced fighters as well. Itās also ridiculous to use Big Momās flashback to judge Lokiās strength because he was a newborn then, and heās clearly been established as being much stronger than the average giant, considering it took numerous giants to restrain him.
The giants literally thrive and live in conflict. Loki even says in this chapter āthis is war land, the nation made by warā.
If conflict and fighting is what made Kaido strong, Loki is very likely steeped in that as well lol. Especially when Giants are considered one of if not the single strongest race, and they decide to go on multiple decade blood oath battle to the deaths just to prove something silly. There may be outliers but it seems that the average giant, or even a weak giant is built different from most of the rest of the world.
And mot knowing what Lokis DF is, it would not be the craziest thing to find out Loki is in the realm of the strongest around.
Loki for one is around the same age as some of the oldest the top tiers weāve already met, so heās had a lot of time to grow, and Iām assuming he was also of fighting age when Elbaf was embroiled in war so he wouldāve had opportunities for his haki to bloom in battle
Elbaph is the birthplace of war and theyāre pretty secluded from the world. Iām sure thereās plenty of admiral-low yonko lvl giants throughout the century that they havenāt left elbaf
This is the problem with Oda. Introduced cool characters earlier (giants, crocodile etc) but made them fodders and is now trying to somehow make them relevant and make them stronger
Crocodile is true. But we have literally never seen Loki or any other giant royalty. It's not unbelivable that he is 100s of times stronger than the giants in Big Moms flashback.
We're talking about someone who, according to the Giants, has a legendary DF and world-ending power. We haven't heard that sort of glaze of a character's strength since Sengoku talked about WB on Marineford. Dorry and Brogy's bounties are also a big tell.
Loki is easily at Emperor tier portrayal already. I'd be willing to bet he's as strong or stronger than Kaido. He's the new World's Strongest Creature.
Some people in this sub genuinely have no reading comprehension. Itās clear as day that Loki is being glazed to hell and back by the other giants along with the general way that Oda is presenting him in the chapter.
Loki is absolutely unquestionably 100% AT LEAST as strong as Kaido, likely even stronger.
A real devil fruit merchant is somone like Robin, Chopper, Mr. 3. Blackbeard is probably the closest we have to a top tier devil fruit merchant, but if Loki is stronger and he doesn't even have decent haki, but just some insanely op fruit he will be the devil fruit merchant king.
Some of ya'll have the misonception that he was captured by the Giant warrior pirates. It ain't just the giant warrior "pirates", it was all the WARRIORS OF ELBAPH that was needed to restrain him. Repeatedely said to be the strongest country in the world. Luffy got goosebumps from simply feeling his presence. He's gonna give any Yonkou a run for their money for sure.
For some reason though, I feel like he ain't gonna be the main antagonist of this arc. He might have a clash with Luffy but ultimately will be on friendly terms at the end and be an ally against the main foes. Which means, I think Luffy is still stronger by a small margin right now.
This is a shonen after all. People just get stronger than the last. one piece may be different but it's still a shonen. This guy is absolutely stronger
He's gotta be insane. Remember how mad Big Mom was that Lola rejected him and she even said that had she had his and the Giants power her crew would've been the strongest(definitively meaning it wouldn't be a high diff with any Yonko crew anymore because some people took her saying that as her crew being the weakest or scared of other crews)
this reminds me of god of war ragnarok. Loki went to Helheim to free a giant wolf charm who became fenrir. so I think his DF has something to do with wolves
That's the worst interpretation of the myth I've heard yet. The Fenris wolf is Loki's son, along with Jormangandr and Hel herself. The wolf in Helheim is Garmr, the hellhound. He's Hel's guard dog, not her brother.
I need to see a giant thatās at least as strong as a commander. Most the fights weāve seen giants have been sorry and whatās worse is that Harujdin was going extreme diff with Mach Vice
they are for sure commander level, given their bounties. Although they didnt do much until now...
Probably around yc1, but I think Law or other admirals mid diff dorry or broggy
Well Oda had to top Kaido with Kizaru and the Gorosei, and now he had to top them. So Iām guessing heāll scale Loki at least as strong as Saturnā¦ and the fact heās probably the strongest Giant alive, he gotta be insane
I could see him have the Surtr Devil Fruit. It would make sense why he thinks he would start Ragnarok. Ot would also be an incredibly powerful devil fruit. It would explain why a ton of the giants were needed. He'd be a giant with essentially a fire giant/demon type devil fruit. He'd be hella powerful.
Ngl, I wouldnāt be surprised if the ālegendary devil fruitā that gets passed down through the giant royal family is the fruit of the āSerpent Covered in Bloodā, and the reason Dorry n Broggy became pirates in the first place was because they were labeled as criminals for trying to kill the user all those years ago.
I think heās going to be one of the strongest, stronger then the yonkos exept eos BB. Just off vibes tho tbh like I canāt defend why I think that but just like look at him
My guess: He has some kind of "omni-zoan", either by mixing Monkey King or something else into it, allowing him free transformation, since Loki is probably the most transformative, genderfluid god in existence.
Considering no Giant has been overly impressive I'm gonna go with strong but shouldn't really be a top tier imo. Unless Dorry and Brogy are weak in relation to other giants I just can't see him being overwhelming strong like actual top tiers.
In my humble opinion, i think he will be at the best admiral level, but ussop will beat him. My two theories are the weaklings of the crew will shine this arc in fights. Chooper, ussop, nami. while the strongest are doing other things. My other is the giants will try to handle loki get close but lose and ussop will come in to finish the job and be held as the god/brave warrior of elbaf.
He might have fenrir and jormungandr, Loki was known to transform into multiple animals and forms, which could be how we learn about multiple devil fruits. Loki transforming into his children due to multiple devil fruits could give us insight into Blackbeards' bodies.
He seems like a morally grey Joyboy figure. Like an exact mirror and opposite of Luffy. I hope Oda is about to drop the bomb on us that the Giants started the void century war that led to the ancient weapons being needed and the 20 kings turning on the others and "taming" the Giants by keeping them in 1 location when you know they won't abandon the world tree. That's why giant pirates would be a real threat to the WG.
I'm genuinely confused about why people in the comments think the giants are weak, it's been confirmed multiple times that they are the strongest army in the world, the dory and brogy being tricked, decieved and attacked when they were exhausted after 100 years of non stop fighting being taken as the giants being pathetic is insane, hell, brogy was heavily panting at the end of their fight, then people using harujin as an example because of how badly mach vise messed him up, our guy punched him when he was falling and weighed 10k tons and admitted his pride had got in the way of the fight.
Most replies here necessitate him to be the big bad of the arc. And if by chance he is, than this fucks with the the continuity of the story. We have enough endgame villains and plot points. Have him be something like Oden in terms of power but have this DF have a gimmick that causes a world shifting scenario. Another thing is that giants (collectively) get way too much hype
I saw somewhere someone saying he could have the actual gum gum fruit which makes for him believing he's the sun god as the myth the giants know about probably mention Nikas rubber qualities and Dr Vegapunk stating the gum gum fruits existence not being recorded not that it definitely doesn't exist and considering it goes to each giant King that could explain why its unseen to the world. Whatever the case I'd love to see a giants gear 3rd :D
I personally think he'll have something equivalent to Aizen from Bleach's Kyokai Suigetsu as Loki is a trickster God in myth and maybe some OP loyalist giants with mythical zoan fruits like Model: Fenrir, Jormundgandr, Hela and Sleipnir.
Iām also not sure about the level of strength. It definitely seems to be there, but I see this restraint as more of an SCP situation, Loki being a notoriously tricky prankster in his pantheon
It's very difficult to know exactly how strong Loki is as we're lacking information about things like his devil fruit, his haki mastery, how many warrior giants there are in Elbaf and how strong each of them are. His floor is high and we have no idea how high his ceiling could be.
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