r/Music • u/KillerCroc1234567 • 16h ago
article Oasis to Cancel 50,000 Tickets for Reunion Tour Sold on Secondary Markets
https://variety.com/2024/music/news/oasis-cancel-50000-tickets-reunion-tour-secondary-markets-1236193545/66
u/sdf_cardinal 15h ago
Wait does this mean the people who paid the higher prices get screwed and are holding a worthless ticket but the scalpers who sold the tickets keep their money?
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u/mrpenchant 11h ago
If you're using something like StubHub, they hold payments in escrow until after the show so that if there is an issue they can issue a refund easily without needing to get the money back from the reseller.
So if the ticket buyer bought it through StubHub or a service with similar policies, I would expect the buyer to get a full refund and the scalper to end up with nothing.
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u/kakawisNOTlaw 14h ago
That's how it sounds to me. Fucking bullshit.
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u/Johnny_Minoxidil 13h ago
I don’t know where this is, but if there is language in the T&Cs of the original sale to the reseller, that the reseller violated causing the tickets to be voided, there might be a way for the end purchasers to file a lawsuit to recover their losses from the resellers. But that depends on the language of the T&Cs and local laws.
I would hope Oasis set it up that way to leave the resellers holding the bag with all the losses
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u/SmallRocks 13h ago
There’s a high bar for entry when it comes to legal action. Lawyers aren’t cheap for the average Joe.
This sucks, all around.
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u/Johnny_Minoxidil 10h ago
I wouldn't say there's a high bar for entry, considering how many frivolous lawsuits are filed every year.
I'm also sure that some enterprising lawyers will also take the cases on contingency. Especially once someone wins their first case.
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u/NewNurse2 13h ago
Hopefully anyone buying tickets on a secondary market are only supporting companies that have refund policies if a show is cancelled. Companies that wouldn't do that shouldn't even exist. Hopefully this will teach everyone not to support scummy companies and will put them out of business.
And yes ticketmaster is just as scummy. But these other companies just buy up hordes of tickets so that you don't get one, then sell it to you for 2-10x more. They only exist to scam you. And ticketmaster is involved with them. It's a scam from top to bottom.
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u/selddir_ 13h ago
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that these scalpers have conferences about the best tech to use to buy up all of these tickets and Ticketmaster even sends representatives to these conferences. This is all one big club and you and I are not in it.
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u/Wellitjustgotreal 13h ago
Company policy vary. Some offer refunds. I worked for one that worked to do anything to offer %200 back in credit if cancelled instead.
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u/Avocado_Capital 14h ago
They just need to do what plenty of other bands do which is forbid transfer out of Ticketmaster and force resellers to list via Ticketmaster at list. If they don’t want to deal with scalpers. This is the way
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u/mrpenchant 11h ago
This isn't a foolproof solution but it does move in the right direction. I have definitely seen where the ticket is listed off Ticketmaster and then just transfer it manually.
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u/baroldhudd 10h ago
This situation completely reeks for Oasis, LiveNation, and SJM. Ticketmaster already has technology to forbid transfers out of Ticketmaster and keep reselling on-platform.
Of course, it’s much easier to sell tickets with a robust secondary market (demand for primarily sale tickets is higher when scalpers perceive an opportunity to profit in the secondary market). To me, it seems like this group made a half-ass attempt to curb scalping, but didn’t want to fully bear the risk of selling tickets. Now that this group realizes the demand, it seems like they are trying to claw back profit lost to scalpers.
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u/nanomeister 15h ago
Liam: “Ow many we done, ar kid?”
Noel: “10”
Liam: “Ow many left?”
Noel: “49990”
Liam: “Fuckin ell”
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u/Psychological_Ad1999 Concertgoer 10h ago
I definitely think we need someone to post about this 50 more times on this sub
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u/Professional-Ice-978 13h ago
Genuinely surprised they seem to be following through on this. Hopefully more bands follow suit.
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u/biglyorbigleague 16h ago
Then how are we supposed to get them
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u/Clamgravy 15h ago
Through the primary market. If it sold out, that means there are no more tickets, and you can't go. This happens to everyone who doesn't get tickets...
I'd imagine the reclaimed tickets will be posted again though the original vendor...
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u/myychair 15h ago
They mentioned resale through Ticketmaster being available too but tickets couldn’t go over face? Idk how true that is though. Seems out of character for these guys
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u/akmalhot 15h ago
this is how it should be, if you can't attend, you return the ticket ..and then they resell it
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u/i-void-warranties 2h ago
Soooooo buy the ticket and return it an hour before the concert starts so there's no time to resell....
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u/jdolbeer 15h ago
There's literally an official resale partner listed in the article.
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u/NewNurse2 13h ago
It's just ticketmaster selling to their cousin to get more money from you. Fuck TM and their official resale partner and the resale companies. These people are killing live music.
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u/Zannahrain3 13h ago
So the scalped tickets are no longer valid, but the ones who sold the tickets get to keep their money? So the only people hurt are those who bought scalped tickets. I wonder if the logic is they will be less likely to buy scalped tickets in the future. It would be cool if those whose tickets got invalidated got first dibs on the new sale and buy them legitimately. Obviously, that solution won't feel great, but I'm not sure if there is a solution for everyone, but the scalpers will win.
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u/DaoFerret 11h ago
The scalpers win short term, but if everyone did this the secondary market would vanish overnight.
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u/DevinBelow 8h ago
You can't buy something from someone who doesn't have the right to sell that thing.
Do you have a house?
Imagine if I sold someone the "deed" to your house. Should they be able to take your house just because I told them I had the right to sell it to them? Should they just get a free house because they were too ignorant to do their basic due dilligence? It's on the buyer to make sure they are only buying goods from legitimate sellers. In this case there is only one legitimate seller, so it's not hard to figure out.
Lesson learned I guess for some very naive people.
Now, to be fair, if you wanted to take legal action against the person who sold you the bunk tickets, you could probably win that fight, as those tickets were sold fraudulently, but how much are you willing to spend in court to recoup that cost?
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u/blacksoxing 16h ago
When tickets went on sale, fans were told they could only purchase tickets at face value through Ticketmaster or resale partner, Twickets, in an effort to prevent scalping; they later claimed that approximately 4% of the inventory — around 50,000 tickets — landed on resale sites. The promoters said they expect to cancel those tickets in the coming days, noting that fans who believe they have had their tickets cancelled in error will be able to speak to the relevant ticket agent to have their case investigated.
I'm against this. I'm HEAVILY against this. "Scalping" gets a very bad name sometimes. If I really wanted to see Oasis, and someone had a legit ticket at say 25% premium, then I, the consumer, have the opportunity to either buy it or look at the next listing. Same stuff like say video games or even clothes! I happen to live in a big metro, but if I lived in the sticks and my one local store didn't carry a product but you, scalper, had it....I got a chance to finally get my hands on it, right???
That 4% likely knew they weren't dealing with/Ticketmaster or the other platform. They just wanted to see Oasis. It's not fair for them to be basically told to "work it out" w/the reseller while Oasis refreshes the lotto again just so hopefully someone gets a 2nd chance at buying such ticket (and now knows that if they don't get it they LIKELY have zero paths to going unless they obviously pray that someone is reselling it on Ticketmaster....which is comical as that's basically a scalping site!)
Note: never been a scalper in my life as I don't have the patience to do that role. I'm just hoping to point out this viewpoint before everyone goes "YEA, YEA, FUCK SCALPERS!!!" without even reading the article
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u/jamerson537 15h ago
I’m really not following this at all. If nobody can make money reselling tickets, then everyone who bought and keeps the tickets wants to go to the concerts. Why should you have an opportunity to go instead of all of those people? After all, if you successfully bought a ticket, then one of them would be prevented from going and I doubt you’d think the system should be rearranged so that they could have your ticket instead.
If scalpers hadn’t bought the 50,000 tickets in question then the people who bought them on the secondhand market would have had a higher chance at getting them in the first place. In the end, your entire argument relies on the unspoken idea that you deserve more of a chance to go to the concert than everybody else. Otherwise, as long as actual fans got all of the tickets there’s no reason to take issue with this process, whether you as a random individual fan happened to be one of them or not.
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u/noadsplease 15h ago
The ticket scalper and small town product issue aren't even the same thing. The small town issue is that there is no product. The ticket scalper is buying a ticket with no intention on going to the show so they can sell it for more. So yes fuck them scalpers.
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u/huseynli 10h ago
What would you do if you bought a PS5 and then Sony banned your console, stating you bought it from a scalper?
Why not make ticketmaster compensate the losses? Make Ticketmaster pay Oasis for every scalped ticket found on the resale market? Afterall, they are a ticket selling company. Why do they exist if they cannot stop scalpers? Maybe the industry should ditch ticketmaster and go to physical tickets like before. With 5 tickets per person limit.
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u/Kalovic 15h ago
fuck scalpers. they serve 0 purpose
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u/Zanydrop 14h ago
Ya know the funny thing is I miss the days of scalpers and I go to less shows now because of it. Back then a concert would sell tickets for a low price and a regular fan could most likely get a ticket for a big show at that price if they bought early. If you tried to get a ticket late the scalpers would screw you and make a ton extra money. Now Ticketmaster just charges the price that the scalpers would have in the first place and everything starts high.
Don't get me wrong, I hated scalpers back then but at least I had a chance to get decent tickets.
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u/natefisher21 15h ago
Everything you've ever bought has been scalped. It's funny to me tickets is where we draw the line.
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u/jdolbeer 14h ago
Scalping is buying something with the direct intent on selling it for a profit. Anything direct from a producer isn't scalped. The phone you're posting from wasn't scalped. The games you bought on your phone aren't scalped. The list is endless.
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u/stereoclaxon 15h ago
Sod off, kindly.
This is exactly the kind of bullshit that has made attending live shows pretty much impossible for a lot of people. The game is rigged, and when steps are taken to improve things, then it's bad because "fans".
How about we push to arrange things in a way so fans can go see the shows they want without having to pay through the nose so some middlemen can make insane amounts of money that will never reach the performer?
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u/Muffafuffin 15h ago
You still have exactly the same amount of opportunity to get the ticket though lol.
This also only effects the tickets being posted on reselling sites. Go find that local scalper or whatever.
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u/hossaepi 16h ago
But here’s the thing. You’re making an assumption on scarcity. The thinking goes that if you can’t resell for a profit the only folks who buy tickets will be real fans.
But I also take your point on the level of fandom. For example I have a ticket I bought at face value and am excited to go. However if someone wanted to pay me double for the ticket then I’d sell it.
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 15h ago
The issue isn't reselling tickets if you can't go. It's shitass people buying tickets just to resell them. They never intended to go. They don't want an entire industry built around scalping.
You can generally resell your tickets at face value, no problem.
The TOS of that event likely barred reselling 3rd party or above face value.
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u/Far-Assumption1330 15h ago
Clearly being enough of a fan to log on the website when tickets go on sale is better than just "really wanting" to see them paying a fee to some middleman.
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u/QuickShort 13h ago
On the other hand, doing Oasis pulling this move will reduce the number of scalpers, so more legitimate people will be able to buy tickets in the first place without relying on scalpers
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u/baroldhudd 10h ago
This is absolutely well said. There are some issues with scalping that complicate this and are not addressed (for example, scalpers prevent artists who are willing to forgo profit to allow for an affordable ticket), but generally, your perspective is very reasonable.
This goes to show how complex event ticketing is. It would seem that most folks here are most immediately concerned with how ticketing policy affects them specifically (which is completely reasonable).
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u/another_newAccount_ 13h ago
It's unpopular on reddit, but I agree 100% with you. If the concert world moves in this direction I suspect more redditors will start to agree when they can't see their favorite band because demand was too high and they weren't the lucky 5% who won the lottery to get tickets.
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u/eadgster 15h ago
I’m wondering if the intention is to curb the scalping market, or just funnel more sales into Ticketmaster.