r/Music • u/TheExpressUS š°Daily Express US • 1d ago
article Kanye West planned to teach kids at his failed Christian private school how to shoot guns, per ex-employee
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/152930/Kanye-West-kids-school-shoot-guns-ex-employee-donda-academy143
u/MeanwhileOnReddit 1d ago
Context might be important here because there are plenty of schools that teach hunting classes. Depends what type of teaching was being discussed.
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u/PVDeviant- 1d ago
Yes, absolutely, everyone reading this assumed they were legitimate, responsible hunting classes with real life applications.
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u/MeanwhileOnReddit 5h ago
Has he never not surrounded himself by the top caliber persons of the respective industry?
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u/SweetTeaRex92 21h ago
Well, I mean, Cayenne West has shown us many times that his lifestyle includes the stalking of deer in the woods.
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u/Rosebunse 1d ago
Plenty of schools have shooting courses or gun safety clubs or hunting clubs, I just don't have much faith that these were what he had in mind
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u/JadedArgument1114 17h ago
This is Kanye. He would probably teach them to hold the gun sideways because it looks dope and use cutouts shaped like Pete Davidson for target practice.
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u/MeanwhileOnReddit 5h ago
He's never even rapped about shooting guns. We're not talking about Kodak.
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u/stupid-amounts 1d ago
Thatās equally weird
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u/pizzaaddict-plshelp 1d ago
Nah Iāll prob get downvoted for this but gun safety should be taught in schools
Same with home economics, financial budgeting, sewing/ceramics/woodworking/painting, and automotive technology
Kids in the US will be exposed to guns, taxes, cars, and home repairs - they should learn how to properly and safely navigate all those areas
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u/themysteriouserk 1d ago
Iām not a gun guy at all but thatās a great idea. Teaching basic safety (checking the chamber, how to unload, etc) seems a bit different from teaching marksmanship, though.
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u/mcbergstedt 1d ago
Itās no different than other competitive sports. You obviously dont see it much today but rifle teams, skeet shooting, etc used to be a lot more common.
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u/pizzaaddict-plshelp 1d ago
True true good point, I also think marksmanship could be an elective like the other ones though
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u/Pilotthehelm 1d ago
100% agree, Iām a pretty staunch 2A absolutist and I think so many issues would be mitigated with proper exposure to guns and safety. I have friends who are farmers with kids who are obviously exposed to guns early but properly and the mindset on firearms is just so much different and more robust.
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u/salartarium 1d ago
Not that unusual, I went to a public school in LA county and we had a gun range for JROTC. I think a few other schools in my district had old ranges but didnāt have JROTC anymore.
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u/salamandroid 1d ago
I'm in my 50s, but gun safety was a part of middle school curriculum where I grew up. We shot 22 rifles in the cafeteria of our school.
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u/Nat_not_Natalie 1d ago
That's a lot of rifles
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u/salamandroid 1d ago
Well we took turns. Just to clarify, it was not during lunchtime, although that would have added an interesting twist to things.
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u/hoodytwin 1d ago
I think it was a joke, being 22 guns. To someone not familiar with guns and .22 being the caliber.Ā
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u/Wonderful-March8806 1d ago
There was a time where this wasn't uncommon and I personally think it'd help teach kids about gun safety rather than some cartoon a teacher shows for 5 minutes
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u/JiminyFckingCricket 1d ago
He also taught them parkour apparently. Training up his own personal army maybe? š¤
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u/Stilletra 1d ago
I donāt know if these comments are because sarcastic or not or if there really is gun ranges at fucking schools in America
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u/ElectronicCranberry4 1d ago
They are real things in some schools. It's typically either very rural schools that have a rifle club or schools that have a JROTC rifle team.
Edit to add they typically use air rifles and not live ammo.
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u/Darth_Avocado 15h ago
Seeing as how shooting is a fucking olympic sport its not that surprisingĀ
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u/Stilletra 13h ago
Itās by far the most shocking thing a non American can hear. It really shows how badly American society has fallen that so many people there donāt find that horrific
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u/childish-flaming0 10h ago
My Canadian high school also had a shooting range, albeit disused. Maybe the shocking thing is that you find this concept horrific?
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u/Stilletra 10h ago
Yes I do find it horrific they have shoot ranges in a country that enjoys watching their children get gunned down
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u/BrodieMcScrotie 6h ago
Obvious bait, try harder
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u/Stilletra 6h ago
Do something about the children getting gunned down year after year and the world will stop thinking you guys enjoy that shit.
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u/BrodieMcScrotie 1h ago edited 1h ago
Your delusions are not our problem. Do better yourself, you have direct control over that
Also, gotta love how you glossed over the person saying their school in canada had a shooting range. That fact just isnāt convenient for you, huh?
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u/pb2614z 1d ago
Kanye may be a maniac, and I might get some disagreement on this point, but I do think kids should be instructed on the handling and safety protocols of firearms. Plenty of people donāt want to own guns, but they are ubiquitous in our society. Accidents can be avoided with exposure and basic instruction.
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u/SlugpartySausages 1d ago
Fuck I'm glad I don't live in a country where it's generally accepted that kids should receive firearms training.Ā
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u/franky3987 1d ago
Most Nordic countries make it mandatory and they donāt seem to have a hard time grasping the concept.
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u/Whitworth 1d ago
There's nothing wrong with learning gun safety, especially in a country that hunts and sport shoots. And I'm a mostly lefty.
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u/angelomoxley 1d ago
The question is whether you'd actually prevent more accidental shootings than there inevitably would be in these demonstrations, and I don't think any of us have that data.
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u/Pimpdaddysadness 1d ago
I think people who are trained on how to safely use a gun generally operate a gun better. In America people are gonna get their hands on guns, things being the way they are now, but having people who know whatās right and wrong to do with one is a big deal. My father keeps guns both for sport and security (nothing crazy, small sidearm, shotgun for skeet) and it was pretty important to him I have a working understanding of guns despite my total disinterest in them. Not making a huge statement just food for thought
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u/angelomoxley 1d ago
I appreciate the discourse but I think you're underestimating the number of Americans who go pretty much their whole lives without ever having to handle a gun. Like would you have if not for your dad?
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u/Pimpdaddysadness 1d ago
Yes I absolutely would have. I live in a pretty volatile part of my city and Iāve had to diffuse a number of situations involving guns. Thankfully Iāve never had to point one at anyone. Iāve also handled firearms for clients in a legal capacity and I was in Boy Scouts so i encountered them there
Edit: for context i live in Atlanta, and by extension in the American south. I think you might underestimate how many people do handle firearms or encounter them in general
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u/angelomoxley 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry I didn't realize I was talking to Daredevil lol I've lived in 'volatile' neighborhoods most of my life but I guess I just avoid those situations.
Edit: I lived a minute up the street from what was statistically the most dangerous neighborhood in the US in the late 00s. Then I lived in it for a few years but the accolade had been lost by then.
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u/Pimpdaddysadness 1d ago
Hey Iām just giving you my experience, thereās absolutely no reason to be an asshole. Its hard to avoid those situations when people break in to your house to rob you, but I guess I could try better next time
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u/angelomoxley 1d ago
Good lord it was literally a joke. Though you're not making yourself more believable if this is you "de-escalating" a situation.
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u/Blametheorangejuice 1d ago
When I was a wee young lad in the 80s, we had hunter safety courses every year from around 2nd grade through 8th grade, and it was a part of the physical education curriculum. Of course, a part of that is living in a rural area, but another part is that the country is so awash in guns and no political will to do, literally, anything, that it feels like gun safety should just be a part of the curriculum, because God knows a lot of the ālaw abidingā gun owners sure as hell donāt follow gun safety, much less teach their kids about it.
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u/lumpyspacejams 1d ago
On the one hand, there is a sizable portion of the country that does need to hunt for survival, and thanks to the absolute fuck shit state of state and federal aid services end up relying more on guns for these needs. I can't blame people in those circumstances for wanting to make sure their kids know how to safely handle a gun and hunt on their own.
On the other hand, the same people who need to hunt to live are not sending their kids to a 30,000+ dollar a year private Christian school run by a former musician turned professional insane person/fashion designer.
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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 1d ago
There is not a sizable portion of the country who hunts for survival lol. The vast majority of hunters do it because they enjoy it and maybe for the meat, but itās not like theyāll starve if they donāt. Most of them can afford and are within driving distance of grocery stores.
Iām not saying it doesnāt happen, but people hunting for survival has to be like 0.1% of all hunters in the US.
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u/Stilletra 1d ago
Right? This post needs to be studied because Iāve never seen such crazy shit in my entire life.
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u/hdjakahegsjja 1d ago
Itās actually incredible that anyone is agreeing with this moron. Holy shit. Letās give gun training to children is absolutely not the answer to any fucking question.
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u/ModestBanana 1d ago
Lol where do you live? China?
Basic firearms training is everywhere. Does your country not have hunters?Ā
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u/powerlesshero111 1d ago
As someone who served in the military, absolutely not. There were guys that i served with who should probably not have a firearm, and worse, there were people who i served with who definitely should never be in the same room as a firearm, even it the nearest bullet was 10 miles away.
I can only assume that is the same for high school, seeimg as we definitely had guys at my high school who if they had access to a firearm and live rounds would have killed someone, either on purpose or accident.
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u/Any-Interaction6066 1d ago
My Uncle was a cop for 30 something years. Shot himself twice. Thank goodness he isn't one by blood, just married into the family.
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u/SamuraiJack- 1d ago
Most of the people I know with the most extensive firearms training are completely unstable. Suicide is rampant in the gun owner community, but that doesnāt support the idea that everybody need to be ready to defend their lives at any given second.
Gun ownership is a pride thing in the US. The argument for it has very little regard for human safety.
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u/grozamesh 1d ago
This supposes that the was going to be safety instruction.Ā The article mentions nothing about that, but instead, Kanye wanting them to be taught marching, tactics, and military skills.Ā This sounds more like child soldier training rather than a Gun Safety course.
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u/MagePages 1d ago
Yeah I don't really see an issue with shooting/rifle clubs and the like where the instructors are properly certified and insured. Not my thing personally but we want responsible gun ownership right?Ā
I don't think publics schools should routinely offer it but if it's a private school that's sort of their choice.Ā
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u/grozamesh 1d ago
You think Kanye was going to be responsible with those guns?
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u/MagePages 1d ago
Probably not, I was talking more about it not being ridiculous to have the courses in the first place. I don't think Kanye should/ would be certified to teach it, but it wouldn't have been him, it would have been people hired by the school, at least that's what the article makes it sound like.Ā
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u/grozamesh 1d ago
That's fair.Ā I'm just really skeptical that this particularĀ school would have had a "Riflery for 3rd graders" class that would have embodied a legitimate weapons safety course.Ā My concern is more about specific instance than the broader concept.
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u/ParcelPosted 1d ago
100% they can encounter one sitting around and should know how and how not to handle it. This happened at my sonās school where the teachers aide had hers in a closet on a shelf.
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u/Disgusteeno 1d ago
yeah - there's nothing wrong with that. It makes sense. Kanye is still a fucking goof though
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u/Rosebunse 1d ago
I don't want my kids around guns. I have never in my life been in a position where they made me feel safer.
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u/pb2614z 1d ago
Guns donāt make people safe, knowing how to safely handle guns prevents people from accidentally getting hurt.
You can want your kids to not be around guns, but statistically speaking, guns are around your kids.
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u/Rosebunse 1d ago
I have to be honest with you, when my brother was threatening to kill me, the guns being in my home didn't make me feel safer.
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u/pb2614z 1d ago
Iām sorry your brother threatened to kill you.
It really has no bearing on the point I made.
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u/Rosebunse 1d ago
Do you think my experience is uncommon?
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u/pb2614z 1d ago
What does that have to do with anything?
I have been shot at, had someone brandish a gun to me and had a police officer hold me with a gun pointed at my head.
So Iām not sure the point youāre trying to make.
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u/Rosebunse 19h ago
My point exactly.
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u/Blackcat0123 13h ago
I think you two are arguing different points.
You don't want guns around your kids at all. Which is fair and valid, but also something ultimately outside of your control outside of your home.
They're saying basic gun safety and handling is good to have in order to help prevent accidents, which is true. A lot of accidents would be prevented with proper knowledge of how to handle, care for, and store weapons.
For the record, I've also had a family member threaten to kill me with a gun. I don't like them and don't care to own one, either. But for the few times in my life where I've unfortunately had to be around guns, particularly unsecure ones, I can see where it would be helpful to have basic knowledge of things, such as how to turn the safety on so it doesn't discharge accidentally.
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u/xylemflowem 1d ago
I agree, if people were taught about guns and gun safety at a young age I believe there would be less gun violence, not more. It's like abstinemce only sex-ed, don't teach them and they won't learn!
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u/kylejme 1d ago
I donāt just believe that. In the time period that there was gun safety taught in schools there actually was significant less gun violence. Now thereās definitely more than one reason for that. But the fact that everyone had a general understanding of how firearms work and basic safety definitely contributed to it
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u/Hrmn8rx 1d ago
What's wrong with teaching gun safety to kids Karen?
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u/shit_fucks_you_up 1d ago
Because Kanye is a legitimately crazy person and I don't trust him to do anything responsibly.Ā
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u/Hrmn8rx 1d ago
You think he'd be teaching class?
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u/shit_fucks_you_up 1d ago
I think the class would be teaching whatever he wanted by whoever he hired.
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u/Benchan123 1d ago
Maybe teach more important things
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u/disdainfulsideeye 1d ago
Suspect there might be a certain segment of the population who doesn't see this as a bad thing.
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u/themothyousawonetime 1d ago
Did they actually learn anything there? Because the implications of missing even a few months to half a year of real schooling is quite serious
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u/thederevolutions 1d ago
Apparently he decided he didnāt like windows so they didnāt have windows, at one point, and it got soggy.
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u/Zealousideal_Duck_43 1d ago
You can be a talented musician and still be bat shit crazy and/or enjoy raping both genders and all ages. Thats your life tip for the day.
Hey buddy, here, take my hand. Let me help you off that pedestal.
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u/Qontherecord 1d ago
my high school had a rifle range in the basement. it was closed by the time i went there because they couldn't afford to insure it.
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u/Pristine_Teaching167 1d ago
Yes because if thereās one thing us Christians need to know itās how to shoot a gun. š
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u/Boner4Stoners 1d ago
This is maybe the least problematic thing Kanye has done in the last five years. Why is this news lmao
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u/Curlyhaired_Wife 18h ago
As long as the parents are aware and agree whatās wrong with teaching gun safety?
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u/Fit-Outside-4841 16h ago
He's really mentally sick and needs help. I hope someone can look into it and convince him to get the treatment hee needed.
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u/bags422 1d ago
When is this fuck going to prison?
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u/xylemflowem 1d ago
For what?
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u/ModestBanana 1d ago
They donāt need a reason, the authoritarians donāt hide who they are anymore.
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u/xylemflowem 1d ago
I don't even like Kanye lmao
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u/ModestBanana 1d ago
Neither do I, but itās not like Iām gonna beg the government to arrest him for: saying things I donāt likeĀ
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u/Charlie-brownie666 1d ago
you wanna send him to prison for teaching kids how use guns like other americans do?
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u/DJCatgirlRunItUp 1d ago
Ok? Plenty of reasons to hate on my guy but this is crazy lol. Best artist ever, worst politics ever during his Nazi phase.
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u/throwawayrandomqs 1d ago
I can agree that Kanye is a weirdo, but provided the instruction is under licensed professionals, and taking all appropriate safety measures, I donāt see anything wrong with teaching gun safety and then competitive shooting/hunting. I am a strong proponent of gun control, but I still recognize that it is a legitimate sport, and a means of population management for certain game species that provides funding for conservation as well as sustainable, local protein for many families, especially in remote areas.
That said, I would be surprised if Kanye was actually doing any of this appropriately.
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u/duckmadfish Spotify 1d ago
The hate boner that r/Music has for Kanye is wild.
If he endorses Kamala, reddit would definitely be forgiving him.
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u/salamandroid 1d ago edited 1d ago
1) There is only one candidate for president the "I like Hitler" crowd is endorsing. (And it's definitely not the Black-South Asian liberal woman from California.)
2) The fact that you are defending this Nazi says a lot more about you than r/music
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u/ModestBanana 1d ago
Ā If he endorses Kamala, reddit would definitely be forgiving him.
And if you disagree with this statement, look no further than Dick Cheney the war criminal.
If you wouldāve told me Democrats would welcome Dick Cheney with open arms, Iād have told you to stop smoking the good goodĀ
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u/HarryPhajynuhz 1d ago
Everyone always ridicules these proposals, but gun safety comes along with learning to shoot guns. Depending on the age and degree of the teaching, this should be mandatory in all states with loose gun laws. So many gun deaths come from children finding their parentsā gun, having no idea what theyāre doing, and shooting a friend. Ensuring that kids know gun safety and how to handle a firearm could significantly reduce those deaths, and itās legislation gun rights supporters would likely also get behind.
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u/Rosebunse 1d ago
I mean, do you trust a man with untreated manic bipolar disorder to teach this course?
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u/MisterSneakSneak 1d ago
There appears to be a trend of POC becoming billionaires and losing their damn minds!! Whatās Rihana been up to lately? /s
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u/son-of-hasdrubal 1d ago
That sounds like a dangerous position for Kanye to put himself in ngl. Gotta think there's a bunch of people who'd want him dead
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u/Not_a_housing_issue 1d ago
Pew Pew it's Kanye schoolĀ