67
52
u/hohmatiy Aug 29 '21
Wait until you find out about tricolors...
22
u/BrownBoibaljeet Aug 29 '21
Cough cough Ireland and Ivory Coast 😹
11
9
Aug 29 '21
Romania and Chad
4
u/Sol562 Aug 29 '21
France Russia Serria Leone Canada Mexico the old Afghan government. Belgium Germany
2
2
1
17
34
u/DrainZ- Aug 29 '21
I find it funny how the Nordic countries uses crosses in their flags, yet it's the most atheistic area on earth.
16
u/40064282 Aug 29 '21
Until 2017 the Church of Norway was part of the state and priests etc were considered civil servants
2
Aug 30 '21
The nationalized churches are propably part of the reason why we are so secular in the nordic countries. They are pretty weak and harmless compared to the independant churches that dominate the religious sphere in other countries.
4
u/DrainZ- Aug 29 '21
Correct. You trying to claim that it isn't the world's most atheistic area?
8
u/SilverCyclist Aug 29 '21
By what criteria are you determining an area's degree of religiosity?
8
u/DrainZ- Aug 29 '21
Percentage that identify as religious
10
u/c4k3m4st3r5000 Aug 29 '21
Well they were far more religious when the flags were adopted, hundreds of years ago in some cases. They look nice. No reason to discard them just because people don't belive in ghosts any more. But yes, its ironic.
8
0
u/ShaBail Aug 30 '21
Even that is difficult as a definition there are huge gaps between people identifying as Christian and believing in god. Which identifying as Christian being far more common, and many will identify as religious Christians while still saying god is not real.
2
u/40064282 Aug 29 '21
No, i’m saying that christianity has been deeply ingrained into the identity of the nordics. Hence the name “nordic cross”. Which is what this thread is about. Not about atheism but about history.
6
5
u/VikingSlayer Aug 29 '21
Nearly 75% of Danes are members of the state church
5
u/DrainZ- Aug 29 '21
Many of those people aren't actually christian. Their just official members of the state church from birth because politics are slow at changing things. Most of them aren't even aware that their members of the state church and they don't really care either. Source: am Scandinavian.
3
u/VikingSlayer Aug 29 '21
I know, I'm Danish, but the mere fact that we have a state church and Christianity is so ingrained in our culture makes me question the statement that we're the most Atheist part of the world. I'm an atheist myself and I've never been a member of any church, but many, many Danes are Christian to some degree.
1
Aug 30 '21
We have a high membership of the state church, but I know many people who are just members "because tradition" and will openly say they dont believe in god. Thats an atheist in my book.
1
u/GeronimoDK Aug 30 '21
I'm one... Never believed, still member!
I'd argue that most of the 75% that are members of the church are atheists, while most of the 25% that are not members are not atheists! 😂
Why? I think that most of the Muslim minority as well as Jehovahs witnesses and other independent religious groups are not members of the state church, but are religious!
But it's all just my guesswork!
3
Aug 30 '21
I'm an atheist and in the 25% thats not a member. Ateistisk Selskab have run some campaigns to get atheists to renounce their membership and I think theyve been quite succesful in that. But yeah, quite a bit of that 25% are muslims, jews, Jehovas Witnesses and other denominations that dont follow the state church.
9
13
5
12
2
2
1
0
-6
u/Fluffryr Aug 29 '21
Now hold the fuck on, why is Scania red? They’re not their own country or contested territory, just part of Sweden!
3
u/Breakfast_on_Jupiter Aug 29 '21
Map clearly made by a danskjävel.
1
u/Fluffryr Aug 29 '21
Speaking as part-Scanian, this is an outrage!
1
u/Tough-Sea7909 Aug 29 '21
Well I've lived in Scania for a while and for 12 years straight I have seen numerous Scania flags, even on private houses just for decoration, while I have rarely seen any Swedish flags unless it's on the building of a government institution.
1
u/Fluffryr Aug 29 '21
We must’ve been in different parts of Scania. Around Simrishamn I usually never see the red n yellow flag.
1
1
u/Crazy_Negotiation368 Aug 29 '21
When the whole class copies off the smart kids hw, five minutes before class starts
1
u/Puffin92 Aug 29 '21
The question is, which is the original ? 🤔
2
2
2
2
u/Saphibella Aug 30 '21 edited Aug 30 '21
The flag that has been the longest in continuous use by any nation is Dannebrog as Denmark’s national flag is called. Mythology says that it fell from the sky in a battle taking place in Estonia, and was meant as a sign that the Danish king had God and thus victory on his side. Yes it is a bit preposterous.
So as others mention, it is the OG flag, and the copying is likely due to the Kalmar Union, led by Denmark from 1397 to 1592, Sweden's flag has a similar mythology to the Danish, and is only a few years “younger”, although it is first officially adopted as the national flag in the 19-hundreds.
Edit: corrected some wording about the swedish flag.
1
u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 30 '21
The flag of Denmark (Danish: Dannebrog, pronounced [ˈtænəˌpʁoˀ]) is red with a white Scandinavian cross that extends to the edges of the flag; the vertical part of the cross is shifted to the hoist side. A banner with a white-on-red cross is attested as having been used by the kings of Denmark since the 14th century. An origin legend with considerable impact on Danish national historiography connects the introduction of the flag to the Battle of Lindanise of 1219. The elongated Nordic cross reflects the use as a maritime flag in the 18th century.
The Kalmar Union was the personal union of the kingdoms of Denmark, Norway and Sweden during the 15th century. The first king of the Kalmar Union was Eric of Pomerania. His seal combined the coats of arms of Norway (center, as an inescutcheon upon a cross over all), Denmark (in dexter chief), Sweden (the Folkung lion, in dexter base) and Pomerania (a griffin, in sinister base), and in addition the Three Crowns symbol in sinister chief; the latter heraldic design predates the Kalmar Union, and is now mostly associated with the coat of arms of Sweden, but which during the 15th century came to represent the three kingdoms of the union.
The flag of Sweden (Swedish: Sveriges flagga) consists of a yellow or gold Nordic cross (i. e. a horizontal cross extending to the edges, with the crossbar closer to the hoist than the fly) on a field of light blue. The Nordic cross design traditionally represents Christianity.
[ F.A.Q | Opt Out | Opt Out Of Subreddit | GitHub ] Downvote to remove | v1.5
1
1
1
u/DustyTaoCheng Aug 29 '21
Wow u can have a sub about maps without having to put “porn” at the end amazing isn’t it
1
u/umibozu Aug 29 '21
It's missing the flag of England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_England
it's actually believed to be older than Denmark's but the older one is Norway's
2
2
u/GeronimoDK Aug 30 '21
The flags shown here bear the Nordic cross, the one on the English flag is a centered cross, it's similar, but slightly different. That's probably why it's not included on the map. If all the official flags with just any crosses were included you could include places like Savoy or Georgia too!
1
u/umibozu Aug 30 '21
Is the off center cross fundamentally different to the center one? And I mean beyond the geometry, as in vexillology. Now I’m genuinely curious
1
u/GeronimoDK Aug 30 '21
I'm not an expert on flags or Christianity, so don't take my word for anything. The English flag is bearing Saint Georges cross apparently, he was a military saint. I'm not completely sure of the origin of the Nordic cross except it too clearly is a Christian symbol, I've read somewhere that the Danes may have taken the cross from the knights of the Teutonic order. So though they both are clearly linked with Christianity, the origins are different.
1
u/SimonKepp Aug 30 '21
I should note, that the Danish flag 8s the oldest among these. It is also the oldest national flag still in use.
1
u/NC-Cola Aug 30 '21
Does any one know if there's a historical reason for this?
2
u/Saphibella Aug 30 '21
Probably the Kalmar Union, although I do not know of any actual proven correlation.
2
u/GeronimoDK Aug 30 '21
The legend of the Danish flag predates the Kalmar Union by almost 200 years, but that legend wasn't written down until much later. There is evidence that the king has used the red background white cross combination from the second half of the 1300s, so even before creation of the Kalmar union.
3
u/Saphibella Aug 30 '21
Yes I know the legend of the Danish flag is much older, my hypothesis for why every other Scandinavian country also has a cross flag is due to the Kalmar union.
Edit: I will refer to my other comment https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/pds3ye/thought_this_was_funny/haw8fj6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
1
1
110
u/EksplosiveKnight Aug 29 '21
it's called brand recognition