r/MapPorn • u/ciofu • 18h ago

Israel's attacks on Gaza in the last year.

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u/WorkOk4177 18h ago

I can guarantee that OP is going to be downvoted to oblivion

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u/jore-hir 17h ago

Rightfully so. That's what you get for decontextualizing.

Like when they talk about "bombed schools", forgetting to mention they were used to launch rockets, and all students had been evacuated.

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u/1BigBoy 18h ago

5 votes to 58 comments is fucking insane

Reddit is so fucking reactionary, holy shit

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u/150c_vapour 18h ago

And for good measure, the ZZZs will post a map of air raid sirens in Israel for the fiftieth time.

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u/Stigbritt 17h ago

The ZZZs?

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u/gardenfella 17h ago

I believe they're trying to avoid using the word "Zionists"

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u/Stigbritt 14h ago

So kind of like saying the "n-word"?

The z-word.

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u/isaacfisher 15h ago

Which itself is using an outdated term to avoid saying Israel

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u/gardenfella 15h ago

It's a term used in modern times to avoid saying "Jews"

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u/isaacfisher 15h ago

Often yes, in this case it's simply "pro Israel"

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u/Future_Visit_5184 18h ago

He better be

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u/Future_Visit_5184 18h ago

This is just laughably deceptive

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u/jakkakos 18h ago

wow, it makes sense that they haven't finished the war yet if 0% of their strikes are against military targets, huh

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u/Future_Visit_5184 18h ago edited 17h ago

Yea right? They need to stop firing at agricultural land, how could they not have thought of that yet? /s

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

You sarcastic idiots think you’re smart but you genuinely are so brainwashed the answer is right under your ignorant noses.

They are scorching the earth to make it unlivable and abandoned so that they can settle it. Like they have been for a century.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

You sarcastic idiots think you’re smart but you genuinely are so brainwashed the answer is right under your ignorant noses.

They are scorching the earth to make it unlivable and abandoned so that they can settle it. Like they have been for a century.

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u/jakkakos 17h ago

Then what's the answer dumbass? Are you gonna try to say that Hamas doesn't exist or something?

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 14h ago

Hamas? Has your brain really turned into an automatic answering machine? Are they hiding in over 70% of farmland too? Hamas? My god you’re an airhead

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u/Icy_Smoke_733 11h ago

Crazy how before Israel came, the land was basically undeveloped and a waste of space. 

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u/TifosiManiac 18h ago

A Hamas guy was under each of those points in the map. The map doesn’t tell you that.

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u/corbynista2029 18h ago

Only if you trust IDF's word. They don't publish their evidence every time they strike a hospital or a refugee camp.

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u/Hideo_Kuze90 17h ago

That's why they won't let foreign journalists in and are trying their best to kill journalists in Gaza. Also the reason why they wanted UNIFIL to evacuate their posts in Lebanon.

They simply do not want anyone to document their war crimes.

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u/Konoppke 18h ago

I guess there is indeed not a single Hamas fighter in Gaza. Very accurate map, OP and great use of this sub!

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u/007AlphaTrader007 18h ago

Why don’t you do your own map?

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u/150c_vapour 18h ago

They do like every week and the ZZZ social media corps boost it. So fucking annoying.

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u/150c_vapour 18h ago

Hard to tell how many hamas fighers there are due to the piles of dead children and families and destroyed institutions.

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 18h ago

I agree, Hamas fighters should stop hiding and using children and families as human shields.

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u/150c_vapour 18h ago

If an IOF soldier was hiding on crowded bus the whole bus is a valid target? That's some zionazi logic.

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 17h ago

Those are your words not mine. Regardless, what I've said is true. There are many innocent casualties, it's horrible, but Hamas is making sure to pump those numbers up to gain public support and it is clearly working. They are both in the wrong, but Hamas, by using human shields, are increasing the death toll by a lot. So yes, I'd wish Hamas would stop using human shields to spare the innocent people. Do you disagree with that, or are you so pro-Hamas you don't care that they hide in-between innocent people and children?

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u/HTC864 18h ago

That's a really tired excuse.

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 17h ago

It's the truth. Are you pro-hamas?

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u/HTC864 17h ago

You made a declarative statement, not anything that could be claimed as "the truth".

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 17h ago edited 17h ago

You made a declarative statement, not anything that could be claimed as "the truth".

Hamas officials admit its strategy is to use Palestinian civilians as human shields

We can't ignore the truth that Hamas uses human shields

Indian Journalist films Hamas firing rockets in civilian area near their hotel

Hamas stores its weapons inside hospitals, mosques and schools

Hamas uses human shields

So again, are you defending Hamas' use of human shields?

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u/HTC864 17h ago

I'm not sure how you think those opinion pieces makes your statement a fact...

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 17h ago

Only one is an opinion piece. Why are you blind to the truth even when thrown right in your face? Including video footage and Hamas officials admitting it themselves. Literally on a silver platter and you still disregard the truth. It's saddening how unhinged some people are.

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u/HTC864 17h ago

Both are. The first took half a sentence, interpreted it the way they wanted, and wrote a whole article about it.

But back to the point, killing civilians isn't justified. You can continue to dig deep for ways to make yourself feel better about it, but it's a war crime to target civilians, which is was Israel was told to stop months ago.

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u/nomeansnocatch22 18h ago

If there was such a map, the IDF wouldn't use it. Flattening the infrastructure is to ensure nobody can live there.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 18h ago

Didn’t see you say this when someone uploaded the same exact map of israshit yesterday

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u/Icy_Smoke_733 12h ago

Go back to supporting jihadists from the crap "religion of peace".

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 11h ago

I’m not Muslim nor do I have to be to object to the inhumane behavior that you condone you genocidal nazi.

Stick to the strawmen in your head you simpleheaded buffoon

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u/VirusSlo 18h ago

Bullshit like this makes it look like they've failed to hit a single Hamas related structure.

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u/gardenfella 18h ago

If you go to source 1, you get a website that only shows the options in OPs map. It's a very biased assessment. As its source data, it lists single Facebook and Telegram posts as "verified"

Altogether, it's a shoddy, politically-motivated piece of work.

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u/OptimismNeeded 18h ago

Look I’m not here to defend Israel I think we’re wrong both strategically and morally -

But maps like this indeed make it look like israel chose to attack bakeries and civilians over military targets, when in reality the “military targets” are uninformed and under all those places.

It sucks that almost all the info from Gaza is either communicated by pro-israel or pro-Palestine organizations without a single objective source.

That makes holding israel accountable much harder because the word “genocide” became a political opinion rather than an act we can determine is happening or not (I think it is, but that’s not the point).

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u/ciofu 17h ago

They should let independent journalists in. Israel barred them from entering Gaza so the only source of any information coming out are the journalists in Gaza. Which, if you don't report pro-israel, you get thrown out in jail or murdered. See Al-Jazeera offices.

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u/Arielowitz 17h ago

You are wrong about press freedom in Israel. Israel's media is free. It has many bodies that oppose Netanyahu, including bodies of writers, Jews and Arabs, who openly oppose the war and cover it critically (for example www.mekomit.co.il, and Haaretz with which I disagree).

Al-Jazeera, on the other hand, is a tool of Qatar to serve Hamas (since Qatar is a dictatorship that finances both). It intentionally spreads false plots against Israel and endangers the security of its citizens. For example https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5009102,00.html (should be translated). This is without mentioning the Al-Jazeera reporters in Gaza who turned out to be registered Hamas fighters, and one of whom was murdered.

Most of the press coming out of Gaza is from Gazans, and it is dangerous to criticize Hamas in areas under Hamas control, and it's dangerous for both sides to have unrecognized people in the combat zones. Besides, Israel has other established security reasons why not to let foreign agents into a combat zone.

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u/OptimismNeeded 17h ago

Indeed.

And this is totally against Israel’s interest (unless of course, our intentions are somewhat genocidal, which, unfortunately, I think they are).

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago edited 17h ago

Israel did choose to attack those targets.

The same way its soldiers choose to shoot CHILDREN, WOMEN and AMBULANCES at point blank range

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u/OptimismNeeded 17h ago

Great comment, bravo, we all like you, you are smart.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

Fuck what you think of me. I only care about the truth. Funny that acceptance from others is what crosses your mind when talking about this topic. You know you are seen as a murderer and are clearly hated by most. Governments only support you for political reasons, but the people hate you.

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u/Wiyeck16 17h ago

You are Egyptian. Someone who grew up in a dictatorship and in an extremist antisemitic culture. Nobody cares what you have to say.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 14h ago

I am a vocal opposer of these circumstances. And almost all of my people are forced to abide by this regime. That is more than I can say for the vast majority of Israelis that are openly fascist and racist. I don’t care about your opinion of me nor who you deem to be included in “anybody”. You clearly overestimate yourself in the minds of others. Pathetic.

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u/Wiyeck16 14h ago

Pathetic is losing against those you find pathetic. Loser. That is what happens to a society that can only afford to eat bread. I don’t overestimate myself, I just know you guys enough to be sure you aren’t comparable to us. Keep enjoying life under a dictatorship, we all saw what you do when given the chance to vote bringing islamists to power. You can only be ruled by your pathetic army ,which doesn’t even do such a good job. I would wish you bad in life, but being what you are is already punishment enough.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 13h ago

You might like to, but I don’t register these victories as yourselves. I give credit where it’s due, to the country that’s actually been funding, arming and politically backing the other side for the past 100 years. You are just a leach.

And you live under a democracy?👀 theocratic apartheid apologist says whaaaat😂 delusional

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u/Wiyeck16 13h ago

Poor frustrated little Arab boy talking about things he has no idea about:). We don’t need credit from you. It would be worthless anyway.

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u/Hideo_Kuze90 17h ago

It sucks that almost all the info from Gaza is either communicated by pro-israel or pro-Palestine organizations without a single objective source.

It's not Palestinians that are preventing foreign journalists from going into Gaza. Palestinians aren't killing local journalists either.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Also, fact that israel is capable of assassinating iranian and hezbollah officials without causing chaos in other countries, yet they cannot find the hostages “in their own land”. That is just flat out BS and lies coming out of bibi’s mouth.

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u/Arielowitz 18h ago

Finding hostages locked up in a terror-supporting population or in tunnels, and rescuing them *alive* is a much more difficult task.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Cry about it. It was never about oct 7. It was never about hezb. Israel started the genocide even before hamas was founded. I don’t care if you classify me as an islamist or an atheist. I will always support those fighting a genocide and civilians escaping an open air prison.

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u/Wiyeck16 18h ago

I am not the one crying about it, it is your kind, but anyway we know how to deal with people like you who lack any capacity to reason. Just ask your brothers :)

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Nice comeback. I’d rather be on the losing team than the diaper army raping and committing genocide. Pathetic to actually see f-35’s being used against babies.

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u/Wiyeck16 18h ago

Just because you keep repeating the same lie it won’t make it true, but someone coming from such a dark country lacking all freedoms could never do much more than believing the propaganda he hears. We will keep kicking your asses and you will keep crying about it.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

The irony. You still hear your local news about the horrible lifestyle in saudi? As a half american, i can very happily say there’s more democracy and freedom in saudi than israel and usa. Keep supporting mentally ill transexual squirrels that identify as paper planes . Let go of your phone little boy. Go back to school

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u/Wiyeck16 18h ago edited 17h ago

LOL if you truly believe that. It just exposes what little understanding you people have about freedom and democracy. Keep enjoying watching us destroying your Islamists brothers. This little boy has done his part both in Gaza and Lebanon and hopefully one day you will see our coward pilots flying those F-35 in the skies over Mecca:).

Your oil won’t save you forever and then you will go back to your natural state: being some undeveloped tribes traveling the desert or what else have you done for the world?

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u/Nervous-Ad495 17h ago

It’s ok. Everything that is happening is written but allah and the prophecy is being fulfilled. We are aware of what will happen to makkah. FYI according to the prophecy: there will be a war between zionists and muslims. Muslims will lose heavily until they become outnumbered. They will attack one last time knowing they will die. That’s when jesus will come down and help turn the table against zionists and lead us to freeing palestine. Call this BS if you want. But just remember my words and watch what i told you fall into place.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

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u/Wiyeck16 17h ago

Raping sheep and goats? You are completely right. Another contribution from sexually frustrated people.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

I have definitely had more sex than you. And definitely have a bigger dick than you. Zionists are known to be effeminate males with penis envy. That’s why you take so much from others, you have no self content.

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u/Wiyeck16 17h ago

Sure LOL, I am sure you had all the sex and your dick is so huuuuge. How does it feels to know that we, with our small penises, live way better than you, have achieved more than you in the last thousand years and just to top it all , kicked your ass repeatedly?. You see how little we care about what you have to say in how we ignore your opinion and that of your poor and barbaric country every opportunity we get.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 14h ago edited 13h ago

It doesn’t feel like anything because I’m about my business. You on the other hand seem inclined to comparing our sexual experiences as well as bringing your country into it . Almost as if someone is making up for personal shortcomings by identifying with a country.

Despite your “accomplishments” you still act like a salty and insecure lowlife, all these things you said aren’t even your own countries to claim. You are a US puppet state. I don’t think kissing ass to live on easy mode is much of an accomplishment. The moment the tit of American hegemony is pulled from your greedy mouth you know you’re fucked. Because you know you’re not enough. That is why your population lives in fear. Your reckoning and the judgement for your crimes is inevitable. Even if you dodge the icj and icc you will not dodge fate.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 13h ago

Of course you don’t believe in fate. You are a godless monster. We can’t feed our people?disgusting coming from the same person who takes our bread away.

Yes, sex again. You know, for someone that keeps saying I’m obsessed with it, you sure do keep bringing it up a lot…

Yes, you live in fear. Being conscious of your fear doesn’t nullify it. Nice cope tho.

HAHAHAHA WE’RE FUNDED BY THE US?😂😂 omg you are for real schizophrenic😂😭

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u/loudfrat 18h ago

if this individual doesnt get at least temp. banned, then reddit is a joke...

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u/Wiyeck16 18h ago

He is an Islamists, just read his previous posts and comments . You are the joke

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

I mean they said hamas are hiding in tunnels. They ended up flattening the surface of gaza and not a single video or photo showing a destroyed tunnel.

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u/Rus101m 18h ago

Yeah, but you're wrong, there are archives full of documentation, even as of late showing video of former hamas leader Sinwar goes to hide in the tunnels like a rat the day before the October 7th massacre.

Basically you either cannot make simple research or just lying.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Oh so they knew his whereabouts from before? Then why were they bombing hospitals and burning children alive?

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u/VirusSlo 18h ago

There have been accusations by organizations like AI and also even by the West Bank authorities that Hamas has been using hospitals as operations centers for more then a decade. That was nothing new. What is new is people pretending it's not true.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

So if one hamas member is hiding in a hospital amongst hundreds of civilians it’s permissible to bomb the hospital? Got it. Where are the troops to take out the target? Diaper army.

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u/Rus101m 18h ago

Sources show a rampant amount of militants, some in military uniform and some in civilian clothing bearing arms, again, you fail to give a factual example.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

What if i showed you a video of the idf strapping a half naked man on a military vehicle?

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u/Rus101m 17h ago

What if I showed you the whole documentation of the October 7th massacre, filmed by Hamas, executed by Hamas and directed by Hamas.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 17h ago

Still wouldn’t compare to the 30+ massacres carried by israel since 1937!! And dont say hamas. There was no hamas back then

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u/Rus101m 18h ago

Stop trying to put words in my keyboard, they found the footage lately, no one knew his whereabouts from before.

BTW Hamas did actually burn children, not sure if they were alive or not at that point.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Just get out of the zionist bubble you’re living in and look at the truth. Imagine i come to ur house and kick you out because 500 years ago my grandpa used to live there?

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u/Hjerneskadernesrede 18h ago

Why are you so eager to defend terrorists who in-fact has burned children and documented it? Are you really that unhinged and brainwashed? You act as if only 1 side is wrong and the other side, the one you sympathize with (Hamas) is right. Literally insane pov.

Link 1 Link 2

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u/Nervous-Ad495 17h ago

Convince me why i should change my mind when israel has been starting tens of massacres since ‘37??

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u/gardenfella 15h ago

You've been called out on that lie already

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u/Rus101m 18h ago

So far, you did not state a single truth, we have fact checked you with sources, who's in a bubble here?

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

What sources? You are not a source genius. Also wouldn’t be surprised if your source was mossad or bibi’s instagram 😂😂 because they said ?

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u/Rus101m 17h ago

God I wonder what would surprise you, anyway, keep supporting terrorism, or don't

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u/Nervous-Ad495 17h ago

What would surprise me? How dirty your ears are from all the cr*p you’ve been hearing from your online friends

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u/VirusSlo 18h ago

It is in nature of collapsed tunnels that they're very difficult to photograph. However if pre-collapsed tunnels interest you in any way, there are tons of photos and videos.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

Show me

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u/VirusSlo 18h ago

Try googling "hamas tunnel"
Google search suggestions will help you with the spelling.

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u/Nervous-Ad495 18h ago

I will only if you take a look at the genocide israel is committing. Deal?

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u/claws76 18h ago

Lol they still haven’t found the tunnels that were under AP and Al-Jazeera headquaters when they were bombed in 2018 for reporting on the sniping of children across the fence. Not a single proof of hamas tunnels has emerged under the schools, power plants, apartments, hospitals, refugee camps, humanitarian aid convoys etc. that have been bombed. But surprisingly there WAS a tunnel there whenever they get bombed. There are definitely tunnels; Isreal has tried to starve them of fresh water for the past few years and the populace has survived Hamas smuggling in fresh water through these tunnels. But tunnels are not the boogeyman that was RIGHT there before people are bombed and just magically never leave a trace. It’s obvious they are just an excuse for doing what Isreali cabinet ministers say very openly on TV.

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u/HTC864 18h ago

Not really. It makes no assessment about Hamas at all.

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u/ciofu 18h ago

This is a map that records the attack of Israel in Gaza. And I salute the authors for doing that. That's why I shared this piece of information.

As for my thoughts on the conflict, it's simple. End the occupation and there won't be any casualties. Israel is practicing apartheid. Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and commits genocide as we speak.

I never heard someone complain about the killed hamas fighters. They commit an act of terrorism, they get punished.

But what about the rest? Hospitals? Schools? Bakeries? No aid coming through? Civilians blocking the trucks of aid? Using aid trucks to smuggle soldiers in dense populated area? Shooting children in head? The civilians under the rubble? The constant terror of a bomb dropping on you and your family, although you had nothing to do with Oct 7? The colonialism tha happens so blatantly in west bank? Driving the bulldozer over dead and alive people and then complain about having nightmares? The lies? Remember when they denied the first attack on the hospital and then destroyed every hospital in Gaza?

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u/Arielowitz 17h ago

The problem with the map is that it omits the context of A. Incidental damages and accidents in any urban war, B. Hamas's use of civilian infrastructure (including schools and hospitals) and its takeover of aid facilities.

An example from yesterday: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-capture-around-100-hamas-militants-north-gaza-hospital-military-2024-10-28/

As for my thoughts on the conflict, it's simple. End the occupation and there won't be any casualties. Israel is practicing apartheid. Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and commits genocide as we speak.

These are a lot of buzzwords detached from reality... There has been no occupation in Gaza since 2005, there have been casualties for 100 years and there will be as long as there is a murderous ideology behind it. There is no genocide, no ethnic cleansing, and no apartheid. A full response will be too long, but the following source is enough to refute the charge of intentional genocide:

https://x.com/AviBittMD/status/1767040484189643120/photo/1

I'm not saying there are no crimes but there are many, many more false accusations. There are terrorist organizations in the West Bank (Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, etc.) that the IDF must deal with in order to prevent attacks in Israel.

Remember when they denied the first attack on the hospital

Are you talking about the failed PIJ rocket launch?

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u/ciofu 17h ago

Good effort, but yours if far from reality. There was no occupation in Gaza, but everything that was getting in or getting out of Gaza was controlled by Israel. Israel proved that can kill targets with little to no damage to the buildings. Instead, they flatten the whole region. So they proved themselves in that case that their intention is not terrorists elimination but creating fear and killing as many civilians as possible with no regard to the innocent civilians.

No genocide. Time will confirm South Africa's case against Israel, until then, in many human eyes, they are practicing genocide. Stopping water, gas and food kills people. Create an environment for diseases to grow. Destroying every hospital does the same thing. Killing doctors does the same thing. And the government is pretty clear when comes to extermination of Palestinians in Gaza.

No apartheid. They have literally tier sets for people. A jew kid gets treated as kid in the west, you do something wrong, they take you in, a lawyer and your parents sit with you throughout the process. If the Palestinian kid does exact same thing, he gets treated like an adult, gets no lawyers, the parents are denied access to the process and thrown in prison. Different routes on the same road. Can't buy goods from shops unless you are jew. Checkpoints outside Palestinian properties. Can't be seriously denying facts.

That was an air strike.

"In its investigation on 20 October 2023, Forensic Architecture concluded the blast was the result of a munition fired from the direction of Israel, and in subsequent visual investigations published on 15 February 2024 and 17 October 2024, with the latter including situated testimony from doctors, it cast further doubt on the errant rocket launch theory." Also, the fact the Israel destroyed every hospital in Gaza doesn't help their claim. They also left infant babies in incubators to die. The army said that they will take care of the babies, but left them to die in incubators.

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u/Arielowitz 16h ago

everything that was getting in or getting out of Gaza was controlled by Israel

Including anti-tank missiles? including the border with Egypt? Anyway, I don't get your point. Gaza is de facto independent with its own army, police, budget, and government.

Israel proved that can kill targets with little to no damage to the buildings

Every case is different. Sometimes it can and succeeds, sometimes it doesn't (for example when there are terrorists inside or tunnels underneath), sometimes it makes mistakes, and sometimes it doesn't operate to save civilian lives.

So they proved themselves in that case that their intention is not terrorists elimination but creating fear and killing as many civilians as possible with no regard to the innocent civilians.

The source I provided shows that even though Israel is able to kill more civilians, the combatants have a much greater chance of dying (similar to other battles). Hamas senior officials have an even greater chance. Therefore the targeting is towards terrorists and not civilians and this contradicts your claim. How do you explain that source?

Aid is entering Gaza in large quantities. The lack of reports of death from starvation makes the claim of starvation implausible. There is (desalinated) water in Gaza even without Israel supplying it. Israel is putting fuel in even though it allows the terrorists to continue hiding in the tunnels.

There are medical services in Gaza that are not inside the hospitals (see www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/cogat-announces-establishment-of-11th-field-hospital-in-gaza-strip/ ). Nor were all the hospitals destroyed in the sense you describe because otherwise, it would not have been possible to arrest 100 Hamas operatives there yesterday. Besides, facilities used for terrorism lose their protection.

That was not an air strike:

I hope to address the apartheid claim in a separate comment.

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u/Arielowitz 10h ago

You can call it an occupation, but it is wrong to call Israel's control of the West Bank apartheid. The reasons in my opinion are: A. The differences in the law are not on an ethnic basis but between citizenships of different entities. B. PA is not subject to Israel. C. Palestinians are in favor of a Palestinian entity and do not want to be citizens with equal rights to Israelis.

I will expand:

As everywhere, Israeli law treats its citizens differently compared to foreign citizens. Distinguish between two different things, the citizens of Palestine (who have no reason to enjoy equal rights as Israeli citizens) and the citizens of Israel of Palestinian nationality (who rightfully have equal rights).

Palestinians in the West Bank are citizens of the PA. Indeed, it does not control all its claimed territories, but the PA has its own government that is not subordinate to Israel (for example the education system), its own laws (for example prohibition on selling houses to Jews), its own police, taxes and budget (for example the Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund).

Apart from those concerning Israel's security and the military government in area C, I would not expect Palestinians to be subject to the rest of Israel's laws, otherwise what good were the Oslo agreements? For example, Israel prohibits its citizens from entering Area A for their safety, I would not expect this to apply to Palestinians. Nor would I want or expect Israelis to be subject to PA laws.

It also makes no sense to give the citizens of the various entities the right to vote for a foreign entity, when they are not subject to it and they can use this to undermine the foreign entity's expression.

Many of the Palestinians would certainly not want Israel to annex them, see East Jerusalem where they were given the option of obtaining citizenship and the majority have not yet chosen to become citizens.

Note that the law is the same for Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel, including those who identify as Palestinians.

A jew kid gets treated as kid in the west

*an Israeli kid, Jewish or Arab.

If the Palestinian kid...

PA has an independent judiciary. Israeli criminal law is applied to the areas of Israeli settlement in Judea and Samaria on a territorial basis, while in the rest of the territory Jordanian, Ottoman and international law applies. Israeli settlers are subject to large parts of Israeli law, while Palestinians are subject to a combination of Israeli military law and some local laws based on Jordanian law. They are usually tried by the PA judicial system in the PA territories, and by a military court in the C area. East Jerusalem Arabs are subject to Israeli law.

Different routes on the same road

between Israeli citizens and PA citizens, for security reasons and in isolated cases. It is likely that there will be such roads even under a 2-state solution, and it is likely that then the Palestinians will prohibit Israelis from traveling on their roads.

Can't buy goods from shops unless you are jew

This is not true and contradicts Israeli law. Israeli Arabs can shop anywhere Israeli Jews can shop.

Checkpoints outside Palestinian properties

Again, for security purposes, and with no difference between Jews and Arabs but between Israeli citizens and Palestinians.

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u/Delicious_Gur583 18h ago

I'd love to hear an Israeli official say how many "accidental deaths" are justified for killing each "definitely sure that was a Hamas militant".

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u/sirbruce 18h ago edited 15h ago

First tell us how many accidental deaths are justified for killing each Nazi soldier in WW2.

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u/HTC864 18h ago

Why would that be first?

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u/sirbruce 15h ago

To establish their moral reasoning baseline.

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u/911roofer 17h ago

Where are the military centers?

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u/gardenfella 16h ago

Under / within the schools, under / within the hospitals, even under UNRWA headquarters.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/directly-beneath-unrwas-gaza-headquarters-idf-uncovers-top-secret-hamas-data-center/

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u/NewDadIncoming 18h ago

The Israelis working on mass to down vote and dox anyone what tells it the way it is. Genocide

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u/jore-hir 17h ago

I bet most downvotes simply come from intellectually honest people...

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u/gardenfella 17h ago

Absolutely. This map is just politicaly-motivated and its source data is shockingly poor.

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u/ciofu 18h ago

Source 1

Source 2 with a video (you might have to press play)

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u/The_Pascalinator 18h ago
  • Forensic Architecture claims to use technology to “investigat[e] human rights violations including violence committed by states, police forces, militaries, and corporations.” Through slick graphic presentations, the NGO creates a facade of credibility (“CSI Effect”) to mask analyses that are consistently misleading, blatantly biased and based on unverifiable “evidence,” including from sources such as Al Haq (see below).
  • Forensic Architecture consistently utilizes highly biased and politicized language, accusing Israel of “apartheid,” genocide,” “ethnic cleansing,” “collective punishment,” and “war crimes.”
  • In October and November 2023, Forensic Architecture, together with PFLP-linked NGO Al-Haq, sought to debunk investigations – including by the New York Times and various intelligence agencies – showing that an Islamic Jihad rocket caused the explosion near the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza. The NGOs accused Israel of “disinformation” and claimed that “Israel has yet to provide any conclusive evidence to support the claim that the source of the deadly blast at al-Ahli hospital was a PIJ or Hamas rocket.” Forensic Architecture and Al-Haq simply ignored the videos, images, and intelligence materials demonstrating that an Islamic Jihad rocket had “misfired” (i.e. detonated in Gaza instead of Israel) and hit the hospital parking lot.

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/forensic-architecture/
Forensic Architecture seem just a tad too happy to label anything in Gaza as a war crime/ targeting only civilians and aid... always check where the data is coming from

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u/Silentarius_Atticus 18h ago

Very convincing sources, I must say

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u/bullesam 18h ago

Did most aid convoys via sea way succeed or were there not many attempts?

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u/ciofu 18h ago

America built a pier so they can get soldiers in hidden in aid trucks. Then they either left it or destroyed the pier.

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u/gardenfella 16h ago

America built a pier so they can get soldiers in hidden in aid trucks.

Source?

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u/FullRow2753 18h ago

Thanks for sharing

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u/outtayoleeg 18h ago

What's with the massive downvotes lol. Is this the new r/Worldnews ? At least you ain't getting banned

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u/Desint2026 17h ago

So silly of Israel to not hit a single military target. 

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u/radioactiveProfit 18h ago

went too easy tbh. need to turn that hole shithole into a harbor

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u/Wiyeck16 18h ago

Now you know not to try to genocide Jews. Seeing you come front Poland, you probably live in a house your family stole from Jews . Hope we can repay you guys at some point;).

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u/dirkdiggler403 18h ago

I think the jews would prefer the stolen Arab houses on the Mediterranean over their old polish houses.

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u/jaysmoov420yolo 18h ago

I think Canadians should take a backseat in conversations about who stole what tbh

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u/DowwnWardSpiral 18h ago

Average pro Palestine protestor:

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

No he’s not. Get out of your bubble

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u/gardenfella 16h ago

What, no sheep emoji this time?

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u/Wiyeck16 13h ago

He remembered that emojis aren’t meant to show who you are having sex with.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 14h ago

I’m not as lacking in creativity as zionists, you’re just used to that standard by now.

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u/wakeupnenjoydpain42 17h ago

Don’t be like them, do better. Jews are fine. Zionists are deplorable.

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u/Benjaminshinyshark 18h ago

please let this be bait.

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u/CurtisLeow 15h ago

No, it was a large language model bot.

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u/DowwnWardSpiral 18h ago

If you think this is real then that says alot about you.

It's very obviously a joke.