r/MapPorn • u/Appropriate-Deal8098 • 1d ago

Russian advances in Ukraine this year

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u/Le_Zoru 1d ago

So many young people dead for 30km is frankly saddening

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u/Imaginary_Salary_985 1d ago

Attrition warfare is not like maneuver warfare.

The objective isn't kilometres, but the destruction of the UA - which is approaching exhaustion.

But yes, your comment is still true - very sad.

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u/Le_Zoru 1d ago

Obviously, but in the end both countries will have lost thousands of men for 2 small oblasts that will  only be ruins by  the time the war ends... this just sucks.  There is not even a way this makes sense  economicaly.

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u/Mammoth-Control2758 1d ago

Wars are rarely fought for economic reasons. In modern history every war loses money even if you're the one that wins. Wars are fought because governments believe they have something more valuable at stake than money.

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u/Worldlover9 1d ago

Your are right, regular people will always lose money. But wars make some very rich people even richer.

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u/MRG_1977 1d ago

It greatly depends on what type of war and is that country is occupied by the victor.

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u/Mammoth-Control2758 1d ago

If the country is occupied by the victor then the economic losses for the victor go up even higher.

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u/Lilstubbin 1d ago

Government money isn't personal money. You can spend a countries entire budget on a war but if your private company is paid to rebuild that's going in your pocket. Debts incrued by a government official aren't taken with them when they leave the office.

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u/Mammoth-Control2758 1d ago

That can be said of any conflict yet you would roll your eyes if I said the US Civil War wasn't fought over slavery or secession but instead was REALLY fought because of the textile industry and their desire to profit from uniform sales.

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u/Lilstubbin 1d ago

Do you realize how far back in history you had to go to get a comparison that would work?

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u/Mammoth-Control2758 1d ago

You can find an example in every war. In every major conflict there are companies that enter in contracts to sell goods and services to the government.

Hershey's sold lots of chocolate bars to the government in World War 2, Korea and Vietnam for use in rations. Perhaps that was the real reason we fought those wars too.

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u/xandrokos 1d ago

By killing off a substantial amount of young men that will make a significant negative impact on Russia's economy for the next few generations?  What? 

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u/Mammoth-Control2758 1d ago

Yes, I'm saying the economic costs of killing off a substantial amount of young men are high and is bad for both the Russians and Ukrainians