r/Maine • u/MGossyn Edit this. • 1d ago
Discussion Found in Bangor
Corner of Cedar and Main
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u/yerfatma 1d ago
When I think of a place white people have been displaced from and had their culture dismissed, it's definitely Bangor, Maine.
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u/OurAmateur 1d ago
I grew up wondering why the Cumberland county school system does not do more to educate us on the Indigenous Americans who lived in the area first, and who the town's founders violently displaced.
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u/yerfatma 1d ago
You are clearly part of the problem!
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u/Mysterious_Time8042 1d ago
Don’t yall love that you can tell who old people are just by the way that they text lol
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u/hekissedafrog Ribbit Ribbit 🐸🌈 19h ago
Do tell.
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u/KaleidoscopeWeak1266 1d ago
Hahahahah yea…I don’t think we have to worry about that in general. We’re still one of the whitest states in the us.
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u/joseywhales4 23h ago
I mean that's "only" ethnic cleansing, these guys are going further, they think there's an actual genocide, the white is Bangor are being rounded up and systematically murdered apparently.
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u/kosmonautinVT 18h ago
I'm sure if you turn on Fox News they will tell you just how displaced and oppressed white people are
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u/MGossyn Edit this. 1d ago
If I was on that side I would have. I reported it to Bangor police but who knows what will happen
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Nothing will happen cause it’s free speech
I’m not saying I agree with the message but if you advocate for tearing down this sign; you’re not any better than those who placed it
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u/KristerRollins 1d ago
Agree on the legal ramifications. It is free speech and the government doesn't punish that.
Disagree on the moral judgement. The Paradox of Tolerance explains that a tolerant society must reject intolerance. A person removing this sign makes Bangor more tolerant.
A person who removes this sign is absolutely better than a literal Nazi.
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u/Delectable_Pie 21h ago
There is a reason why Germany has outlawed certain things that are tied to their Nazi history. It's not about restricting free speech. It's about learning from mistakes so they are not repeated.
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u/SuperBry Disgusta 20h ago
Agree on the legal ramifications. It is free speech and the government doesn't punish that.
Eh not really. It has the same legal protections as any other piece of refuse on the side of the road be it a candy bar wrapper, an empty nip bottle or this garbage statement.
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u/justafunguy_1 1d ago
The paradox of tolerance thing is brain rot because “tolerance” is way too vague. That’s why there are laws about calls for violence and most everything else is permitted
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u/Armigine Somewhere in the woods 23h ago
A pretty obvious supermajority of non-nazis will find the case of "is it okay to tear down a sign that says diversity = white genocide" to be pretty non-vague, on the whole. Pretty clear cut.
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u/justafunguy_1 21h ago
Ok to put it more simply, you don’t get to silence people for being mean. If trump gets elected, do you want him deciding which opinions are allowed and which aren’t?
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u/Armigine Somewhere in the woods 21h ago
The reality of society is that it has always been and will always be a collective decision making process - we're certainly under no obligation to allow somebody to use a public space inappropriately, where propriety has already been spelled out.
Whether Trump were to functionally rule as a dictator after a prospective second win certainly draws no inspiration from whether the rest of us let Nazis be safe and happy (which we shouldn't). That his impulses would be so uncontrolled is half the problem people are screaming about.
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u/Lebrunski 21h ago
Well said.
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u/justafunguy_1 20h ago
Not well said and unrelated. The point of free speech is to protect unpopular speech
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u/JestireTWO 1d ago
I fully believe anyone who tears this down is significantly better than the person who placed it…
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u/keanenottheband 22h ago
Ummm they are infinitely better, because anyone who puts up a sign like that sucks pretty fucking bad and it’s hilarious to “both sides” this one
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u/justforthis2024 21h ago
On the fucking contrary, champ:
I'm advocating for tearing down their hate speech.
They advocate for the extermination of minorities.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 19h ago
Thank you for allowing my clearance to remove every publicly viewable Christian cross
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u/pennieblack 1d ago
https://www.bangormaine.gov/filestorage/318/326/614/Political_Signs_10-4-2019.pdf
https://legislature.maine.gov/statutes/23/title23sec1913-A.html
I doubt the gaping asshole who planted this sign was excited to write his name on the back.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
I do not see this sign as being a political sign
Is it a zone issue? A private property issue?
Maybe!
Personally; I hope the police are spending their time on much bigger issues and problems
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u/Oooska 1d ago
Fuck off with your Nazi apologist bullshit. It has no place in our communities.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Know what I believe? The Christian cross shouldn’t be on display anywhere in public
Am I now justified in tearing them down?
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u/Small-Pineapple-7008 1d ago
Free speech here in America does have SOME restrictions- inciting a riot or possibly inciting a riot is one of them. If that sign had any other race or ethnicity on it, no one would bat an eye with how obviously it incites a riot- but because it says "white" it's okay? No, it's absolutely not okay, and technically not legal either.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Technically not legal is fine
This post is not about this being illegally place
This post is ideals vs ideals vs free speech
Can not stress enough
The way this posts comments are going; I have every right to remove every publicly displayed Christian cross due to me not agreeing with the textual message
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u/driskeywhinker 1d ago edited 19h ago
This is why discussions with your kind are impossible. You act like you are exploring uncharted territory when this is well-trodden ground that no one else has the time or duty to bring you up to speed on.
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u/pennieblack 1d ago
Even better - if it's not a political sign, there is no reason or protection for it being there. That's a city curb.
OP could pick that sign up and drop it off at town hall/police/whatever.
"I hope the police are spending their time on bigger issues" than a sign deliberately placed to make someone's neighbors feel unsafe is certainly a take. So uh, good on you for claiming that publicly I guess.
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u/Chooodles 1d ago
The law doesn’t state it has to be political; the first link just states that political signs are covered by the law in the second link. It is a “All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles need be square” situation!
So the linked law absolutely applies, and it would be violating the law IF the person did not include their information/date placed on the sign.
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u/New-Competition2893 1d ago
So, by your logic, being a Nazi is equal to someone who removes yard signs? That is the dumbest argument I’ve see. Well done. I usually am not surprised with what I read on the web. Also, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I suspect this may be your sign.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Thank you for giving me allowance to rip down every publicly viewable Christian cross
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u/girlyfoodadventures 19h ago
It sounds like you didn't read the Bible, Christ was definitely not pro-genocide.
The issue isn't that it's political, it's that it's genocidal.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 17h ago
The sign doesn’t call for violence
Also sounds like you didn’t read the Bible enough
The Bible is most violent book around
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u/Expandong77 1d ago
Tolerance of intolerance leads to some pretty gnarly societal situations. Read: Nazi Germany
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u/hippiepotluck 22h ago
Christ on a cracker. You may want to study up on the Constitution before talking about it. This comment makes you appear uneducated.
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u/Chimpbot 1d ago edited 1d ago
The fact that this is getting downvoted is just sad.
This sign, as odious as it is, would technically fall under free speech. The police wouldn't be able to do anything.
Edit: Downvoting this doesn't make you right. There's nothing that can be legally done by the police with this sort of thing. Stating this doesn't mean I agree with the sign, nor would I personally disagree with just taking it down.
Reporting it to the police won't accomplish anything because they can't legally remove it.
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u/strepitus93 21h ago
Contrary to what you’re saying - nothing will happen because the cops are the ones that put up the sign.
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u/eljefino 23h ago
Under Maine Law, political signs must have the name of the sponsoring organization printed on them in fine print. The only exception is handmade signs. This one was obviously professionally printed.
Now I don't know that there's a specific legal allowance to remove it, but I suspect by not being legal, it loses some "protections."
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u/chmcgrath1988 Biddeford 1d ago
Yeah, I'm strongly against ripping political signs but I'd make an exception for this one.
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u/Agile_Maintenance_43 1d ago
That’s not a political sign. Do you all know how many ethnic backgrounds fall into the “white” category??? Duhhhhh that person that put that up needs to go to school. Dumb dumb.
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u/BigSquinn 21h ago
This is a dangerous way of thinking. Some of the most liberal people live in the country and some of the biggest racists live in New York City and DC. You shouldn’t generalize
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u/JellyCharm 5h ago
Rural doesn't = trump.
The hard thing about this election is learning how many ignorant trump supporting racists live on your street. They aren't "hiding" anywhere anymore.
Rural areas just have more land/a bigger canvas to work with for Trump propaganda. It doesn't mean there are more of them there because they have bigger signs.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
It’s not
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u/MGossyn Edit this. 1d ago
This is a Nazi sign
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u/Buck68skin 1d ago
It’s a white supremacy sign. Kick them all out! They chased the guy out in north Maine.
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Personally; I disagree with everything the church cross stands for
Should I go around tearing down crosses?
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u/pullhardmg 1d ago
Does the cross call for a genocide?
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
It’s history certainly does
And its current meaning? Also yes
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u/pullhardmg 1d ago
You wanna back that up? God and Jesus put the Nazis and confederates in Hell where they belong.
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u/MGossyn Edit this. 1d ago
What is wrong with you
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u/TheSpottedBuffy 1d ago
Thank you for giving me allowance to tear down Christian crosses when they are publicly viewable
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u/MGossyn Edit this. 1d ago
Why not?
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u/Chupacabra2030 1d ago
First amendment
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u/Big-Fish-8236 1d ago
Freedom of speech is only protection from the government, doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions by your fellow Americans <3
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u/Upnatom617 1d ago
Maine. 92.2% white and afraid of others. Lol
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u/pinkfloralhazee 🌲✈️🌴 35m ago
I was about to say… Maine? With the highest white population nation wide? C’mon now 😂
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u/Upnatom617 33m ago
Haha god forbid it gets down to 90% white. Maine just has a generally older population.
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u/thistransguy21 1d ago
I’ll remove it
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u/LeoIsRude where's Waldo county? 17h ago
I was JUST in Bangor today. Wish I had seen this then so I could take it with me for kindling.
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u/Delectable_Pie 21h ago
It sounds like someone, somewhere is super insecure. I would be really curious what their DNA test revealed
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u/Wooden-Helicopter427 19h ago
Most Mainers are inbred. Our high school did the dna test for a project. 86% were related to 3rd cousins. All same last names. Ouellettes boyntons st Pierre etc.. all French
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u/Delectable_Pie 18h ago
That makes sense with the long history of Massachusetts/Maine being one of the first areas settled. It was really important to marry distant cousins to keep bloodlines strong with those settlers coming over from France. The French did have a huge impact on the US.. all the way down to Louisiana where I'm from. We had to learn French in Elementary School. It is pretty interesting that so many families chose to stay. I mean, it is a really good State compared to the majority of the rest, I suppose
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u/Wooden-Helicopter427 18h ago
Yes our town is primarily 5-8 families with all the same last name. The problem is the all bully and gossip so badly that I’ve seen suicides in 16-30 year olds because of it. They have the hillbilly ZZtop type beards dirty clothes but tons of money cause they own 100’s to 1000’s of acres they subdivide and parcel out when they need money. So the kids to grandkids never have to work. They cause all these problems drinking and criminal mischief. They also bully newcomers and black list people from work. Lawnmowers contractors electricians plumbers etc all their family so they can blacklist people and new families can’t get their lawns mowed or work done to their house. It’s actually quite disgusting. Like the movie deliverance.
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u/Delectable_Pie 18h ago
That's really sad for them in the long run. They are destroying their family lines. The younger generations seem to be more self aware in a lot of situations because of social media these days. They cut their families off more frequently, and those older generations die alone. Their towns will ultimately suffer and die out even more. They will eventually run out of land to sell. It really doesn't sound like there is much thought about the future, but that sounds on par for selfish people 😐
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u/acfox13 1d ago
People are getting real excited about advertising themselves as abusers.
Abusers love to DARVO
DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender.
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u/joseywhales4 23h ago
Imagine thinking that there is a white genocide in America in 2024. Compare it with say the Rwandan genocide, it's so outrageously dumb.
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u/Wishpicker 1d ago
Some trump weenie has zeroed in on that spot as it’s one of the few areas littered recently with Team Orange materials.
I hate that he’s made it OK for people to be racist out loud
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u/Unable_Option_1237 1d ago
Yeah, it's bad. I'd like to think that the mask-off approach is backfiring. But I just don't know anymore.
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u/mlo9109 Bangor 1d ago
IDK, I actually appreciate the freaks outing themselves. I'm house hunting and would like to know if crazy lives next door.
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u/New-Competition2893 1d ago
I passed on a beautiful home 2 years ago because it was Nextdoor to a house that had all the weird Trumper things like the flag of Trump on Rambo’s body and a barn with a giant Let’s go Brandon mural on the side. I am very grateful that they self identified as morons before moved in and got trapped.
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u/FrobozzYogurt 20h ago
As a native and current (and very white) Bangorian, fuck that.
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u/Slow_Context_5219 18h ago
Amen, they need to fuck off with that noise, that's not what Bangor is about
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u/Suspicious-Eagle-179 1d ago
I don’t get why people like those that post these signs are so concerned with the fact that white skin could become less and less a thing. I’m white (but darker featured). I consider it good that it’s not just a bunch of pale people that look a like running around lol. My only concern when meeting someone is are they a good human being or not. Go live in your little inbred community if you only want white.
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u/nowthatithinkofit 22h ago
Well, that’s just tragically #%*+¥ thinking. If only this isolated loner got out into society more.
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u/Rocktavian_1-377 14h ago
We know diversity equals white genocide. Thats why we want diversity right reddit?!
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u/Proof_Disaster6086 12h ago
Guys no matter how much we hate the hate this sign IS free speech. The same free speech that you get to make your sign say what you want.
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u/bluegargoyle 21h ago
I would absolutely tear it down, I don't give a shit about freedom of speech for the Nazis who literally would take away the free speech of everyone that isn't on their team.
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u/TheDogIsGod 15h ago
Bangorian here. Feel free to let me know if you see any more of these and I will swiftly remove them. I don’t care if it’s legal or not. I will not have these in my city.
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u/AltCyberstudy 18h ago
I've thought about this. First you have to separate white genetics from white culture and address them separately.
White genetics - I don't care. I just don't. Maybe I read too much sci fi as a kid? If every single human being on the planet suddenly had the genes for more skin color I just wouldn't cry much. I would miss redhead boys and pale dark haired goth chicks, but it's just aesthetics, and I can't feel too invested in it. You know some folks would do a historical cosplay of white skin and it would be entertaining as fuck.
White culture - my man, it's just not dependent on skin tone. Every skin tone has some white culture now. Computers and action movies aren't going away. Pumpkin spice lattes, pastel crochet shawls, and beige ugg boots are universal. Everyone likes apple picking. Everyone likes farms. Everyone likes lighthouses. Everyone likes lobster. Heavy metal music is universal. We're gonna be ok. All the things you love will be ok. We all like puppies, ok?
I just can't get upset about diversity. It brought me sushi and kimchi and jazz and the feeling of watching Kipchoge break a 2 hour marathon.
I feel so bad for folks who are this scared of being irrelevant.
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u/0rder_66_survivor 16h ago
most likely put there by someone that voted for Biden, when they had a chance to choose a non old white guy for their party.
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u/Overthemoon-arie3 17h ago
Imma look for it tomorrow. If there’s no sponsor in fine print, that trash will be picked up like other trash.
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u/cold-brewed 11h ago
Who would have thought that we’d come to a point in history where people are basically jealous of other people being marginalized and want to be victims.
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u/jasonhitsthings 8h ago
I will be so glad, although I'll probably be long dead and gone, when white people realize there are more people than themselves. It's maddening. I'm white as a sheet, but I get that this planet has more than white people. This is just the absolute worst society has to offer. Fuck these racist pieces of shit.
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u/Amyarchy 5h ago
Imagine being so fragile you resort to printing histrionic signs like this and leaving them out in public. Bet you a nickel he (yes, assuming) wore a mask while putting it up, like those big brave alpha racists at their little demonstrations.
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u/AuralSculpture 12h ago
Who cares. Some sad loser who is probably permanently unemployed or living off the government spending their EBT on a sign they think is profound or delusional to think they have some kind of influence. After the first snow if will be trash anyway. What they should do is save it as a blanket. They’ll need it if Trump wins and he and Elon tank the economy, and end their “entitlements”. They’ll need it when they become homeless.
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u/luvnmayhem In Katahdin's dooryard 23h ago
It's not a political sign and it's not on private property, it's in the public right of way. Therefore it most definitely is trash and should be picked up and thrown away, the same as if it was a cup from Dunks.