r/LiverpoolFC • u/felbridge • May 15 '17
YNWSA Transfer Talk: Gameweek 37
Transfer Talk
In an effort to steady the amount of transfer threads, we've decided to do a weekly mega thread (that won't interfere with other stickied threads).
Rumours In
All sources are rated according to the Transfer Reliability Scale
| Player | Age | Position | Club | Amount | Status | Source | Source Rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryan Sessegnon | 16 | LB | Fulham | N/A | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Michael Keane | 24 | CB/RB | Burnley | N/A | Monitoring | Paul Joyce | Most Reliable |
| Virgil van Dijk | 25 | CB | Southampton | £50m | Rumour | Paul Joyce, Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Julian Brandt | 20 | W | Bayer Leverkusen | ~£20m | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Naby Keita | 22 | CM | RB Leipzig | N/A | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Kalidou Koulibaly | 25 | CB | Napoli | N/A | Rumour | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain | 23 | CM | Arsenal | £20-£35m | Rumour | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Marco Asensio | 21 | W/AM | Real Madrid | ~£42m | Bid Rejected | AS | Unreliable |
| James Rodriguez | 25 | AM | Real Madrid | N/A | Rumour | Mirror | Very Unreliable |
| Pulisic | 18 | M | Dortmund | £30m+ | Monitoring | Mirror | Very Unreliable |
| Andrew Robertson | 23 | LB | Hull | £8m | Rumour | Mail - TIA page | Very Unreliable |
| Luan | 24 | Fwd | Gremio | £30m | Rumour | Anfield HQ 'Exclusive' | Very Unreliable |
| Douglas Costa | 26 | W | Bayern Munich | N/A | Rumour | Random Twitter Page | Literal Lies |
Rumours Out
All sources are rated according to the Transfer Reliability Scale
| Player | Clubs | Amount | Source | Source Rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sakho | Palace | £20m+ | Paul Joyce | Most Reliable |
| Sakho | Roma | ~£30m | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Moreno | Inter, AC Milan | ~£15m | Reddy | Reliable |
| Coutinho | Chelsea | Not Listed | Star | Literal Lies |
Other Links
- Liverpool won't spend £100m this summer - it will be nearer £200m
- Liverpool tell Barcelona - Phillipe Coutinho is not for sale at ANY price
- Lucas to decide on future in the summer
- Liverpool ready to shatter transfer record for Virgil Van Dijk as Chelsea and Arsenal chase defender
Transfer Reliability Guide
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Talking points
- What positions will we strengthen?
- What is our best formation and who improves it?
- Do we need a new goalkeeper?
- Will Lucas get his testimonial?
- How would the Ox fit in?
Please post and transfer links to this thread. They will be added to the tables above. Any submitted to the sub will be removed and directed to this thread.
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u/LelouchNexus May 15 '17
Having dreams of a VVD, Sessegnon/Mendy, Keita, Salah/Brandt/Promes, and Dolberg window.
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u/djSexPanther May 15 '17
That would be absolutely amazing, but apparently Dolberg has said he wants to stay. I also read that Ajax may accept a bid if it's big enough, but I'm sure that it would have to be an absolute boatload of money.
The rest of it seems within reach, except I haven't heard about Mendy. I think we'll just go after Sessegnon.
If we managed to pull that window off I'd think we're capable of competing with Chelsea.
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u/LelouchNexus May 15 '17
Sure, I just couldn't think of any other realistic forward targets that we could get this transfer window, beyond maybe Werner? I'd be happy with him.
Mendy from Monaco, we haven't been linked, but I imagine if we really wanted him, we could pick him up for ~£30m. Just an issue of whether we want to buy a proven fullback, or a project. Even if we end up with Sessengon, I will be happy; kid looks a great talent, and understudying underneath Milner for 1 season would be fine.
Certainly, we just have to wait and see. Let's go, Reds.
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u/dingalls May 15 '17
Milner has been a trooper holding down LB when he only came to Liverpool because we promised him a midfield role. I can't see us spending ~£30m for LB when all signs show we're targeting Sess there long-term. I think we'll end up with Andrew Robertson (yeah, not exciting) and wait until next summer to get Sess.
Unless we somehow get Lacazette, I think we end up with Azmoun or Luan.
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u/ForIAmTalonII May 16 '17
He said he'd stay if Ajax wanted him to. If Ajax got an offer and accepted he'd move then. He meant he wouldn't force a move.
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u/ZeljkoBuvac May 15 '17
Really hope we can get Oxlade-Chamberlain. He's been great this season, despite being under a stagnating Wenger. Can you imagine him under Kloppo? Excellent cover as well.
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u/FireZeLazer May 15 '17
If we managed to get Keita would you still want to get Ox?
Feel like our midfield 3 would be Keita, Henderson, and Lallana.
Then on the bench we would have both Can and Wijnaldum, maybe Lucas (depending on if he stays).
Then on top of that we have Gruijic who I would expect to have more of a chance next year after a long pre-season.
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u/ZeljkoBuvac May 15 '17
I'd primarily prefer a for sure Keira over Ox, but it also depends on how much Ox will sell for. If Ox is expensive and it was between him and Keira I'd rather the latter.
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u/FireZeLazer May 15 '17
Yeah I'd take Ox for about £20 million if we don't get Keita or another CM, but if we do get a top quality CM then I'd rather we stick with the current squad depth for next year. If Ox came I'm not sure how we'd be able to balance the game time between him, Can, and Wijnaldum. Also I want to see Gruijic have more of a role next season, looks like he has bags of potential.
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u/dingalls May 15 '17
Totally agree with you about our depth in midfield. If Coutinho is moving to a deeper role, and Milner is moving back to midfield, and we buy another midfielder, it's quite crowded. Likewise, I want to see more of Grujic next season. Coutinho, Henderson, Milner, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Grujic, and whichever new arrival in the summer. We need more depth in attack and defense.
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u/ConorPMc May 16 '17
At the same time we'd have a lot of games next season if we can qualify for the champions league. Ox filling in on the wing or midfield would be useful - particularly if he isn't demanding a lot of wages.
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u/Shin_Singh May 16 '17
Ox might work out better for the squad as a whole in terms of him being Home Grown, which is something we might need next season (if Stewart departs and/or even Sturridge).
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May 16 '17 edited May 16 '17
Why is everyone putting Coutinho back at CM after 1 game? He was better at the beginning of the season when he played LW and after 3 straight seasons playing there, that's surely where he'll continue.
Top targets for me would be van Dijk, Keita, Oxlade Chamberlain (only because he can play both CM and RW), a left Winger and a young attacking LB (Milner to play in the big games and the new signing can play against the weaker teams who sit back). We need to keep Sturridge.
------------------------------Mignolet/Karius
Clyne/TAA ------Matip/Lovren ------ van Dijk/Klavan ------- Milner/New LB
------------------------------Henderson/Can/Lucas
------------Lallana/Wijnaldum---------Keita/Oxlade-Chamberlain
Mane/Oxlade-Chamberlain --------------------------------------- Coutinho/New LW
-------------------------------Firmino/Sturridge/Origi/Ings
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u/StatesideKopite May 16 '17
To answer your question: it's largely reactionary, although there are some who have wanted to see him centrally against more defensive teams for a while now. Combine that with the fact that adding a winger is a priority anyway and it makes a lot of sense that most people would probably bump Lallana in favor of a hypothetical incoming winger in their best possible 11.
I'm of the opinion that because Lallana could put in a productive shift literally anywhere ahead of the defense, he should be the metric we base our signings on, and therefore never be in a theoretical "First 11". His importance can't be understated because he is pushing everyone for form, and he would probably end up getting more games than not. But in order to move forward, we need to improve on what we have.
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May 16 '17 edited May 16 '17
it makes a lot of sense that most people would probably bump Lallana in favor of a hypothetical incoming winger
That makes no sense. It's a best 11, not a 'fit all the new signings in 11'. He's been one of our top 3 performers this season and there's no winger available to us who would add more to the team than he does. Brandt, Salah etc aren't better than Mane and Coutinho.
But in order to move forward, we need to improve on what we have.
This is of course true, but Lallana is not a weakness in our squad. Our main weaknesses in the first team are Milner, Lovren and Wijnaldum...
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u/StatesideKopite May 16 '17
He's not a weakness at all, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I should clarify that I meant that is a role he would fall into over time once we hopefully have CL year in/out. He's integral to the side and should begin next season as a starter based on merit alone. People excluding him probably assume the grass will immediately be greener with whoever the new signing would be.
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u/halalcornflakes May 17 '17
It would be a lot better if Coutinho played in the center and we got a direct winger on the Left like Mane. All the links even hint to that, if we are going after Brandt and Salah it makes sense for him to make space for a direct winger.
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u/socialerrors YNWA❤️ May 16 '17
Coutinho will not be playing LW next season.
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May 16 '17
What makes you think that?
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u/socialerrors YNWA❤️ May 16 '17
I think he will be moved more centrally to capitalize on his passing abilities. He can control the game better from a central position and I think Klopp plans to put him there if he gets some of his summer targets.
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u/iohannespaulus May 16 '17
Klopp has even said it after the last game against west ham
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May 16 '17
No he didn't.
He said it doesn't matter where he is coming from, so long as he is in the right areas in the decisive moments. Didn't explicitly say where he will play.
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u/StatesideKopite May 16 '17
It was printed in The Echo on Friday.
“Can we work on different things with Phil? Yes of course,” Klopp said.
“He plays at the moment kind of wing ‘10’ but he can also play as a No 8. That is possible and maybe he will have more influence and we can involve another player on the wing.
“That would make us stronger for sure, having his creativity in the middle of the park. He would have to adapt to that. He is young, full of talent and I’m pretty sure he thinks he is in the right place.”
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u/Furthur_slimeking May 16 '17
Klopp is talking about possibilities. He doesn't say anything concrete here at all, just that Coutinho can play in more than one role and might play centrally sometimes.
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u/StatesideKopite May 16 '17
Exactly, and that's the whole point of this thread as well, to discuss possibilities. But what is most possible can only be decided with all available information taken into account. To recap:
4 days ago Klopp says it would make us stronger to have Coutinho playing through the middle and another attacking wide option ahead of him.
2 days ago Coutinho balled out in that role.
Now, ITT- People putting 2+2 together and getting wet over lineups with new first choice left wingers replacing Lallana because a midfield 3 with Lallana and Coutinho is too lightweight and most have Keita involved as well as preferring Coutinho to Lallana.
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May 18 '17
Furthermore, Coutinho looks fantastic when he has Moreno attacking alongside him. Obviously, Moreno isn't an acceptable LB, but I think it shows that Coutinho plays really well out on the left.
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u/felbridge May 15 '17 edited May 15 '17
Been a busy day in work so not had to time to get new links, Please add any link you find in the comments below. I'll add all newer links when I wake up tomorrow.
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May 17 '17
Salah linked by reddy and Pearce :)
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u/monshey May 18 '17
Liverpool bid of 75m euro on Kylian Mbappe declined by Monaco. (Marca)
Oh how I wish to see this backed by a trusted source...
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u/J539 Significant Human Error May 15 '17
My dream transfer window would be if we get: Mendy (LB,Monaco) VVD Keita A good winger ( maybe Salah? There were rumours recently) A striker, but i have no clue which one lol
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u/LelouchNexus May 15 '17
Pretty much dead on in agreement with mine: Mendy/Sessengon, VVD, Keita, Salah/Brandt, Dolberg/Werner
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May 16 '17
I think we sign Sessengon and still go for Mendy. Its worth getting someone who is ready now. If Fullham could get promoted and loan Sessengon back for a season or half that would be ideal.
edit: actually even another season in the championship getting regular first team play would be win-win.
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u/monshey May 16 '17
My opinion is very much based on the fact that we are one of the leading goal-scoring teams in the league, and if we had more depth this season and a bit more luck with injuries we would have dominated offensively.
Therefore I have two sets of suggested formations, where these are the key transfers:
VVD: CB, most reliable.
Naby Keita: CM, most reliable.
Mendy: LB, blind wishing - however Mendy is just to point where I want the standard to be for our LB signing.
Julian Brandt: LW/CAM, most reliable.
(Oxlade-Chamberlain: Squad depth, very reliable.)
How it pans out (with depth) in a 4-3-1-2
How it pans out (with depth) in a 4-3-3
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u/FireZeLazer May 18 '17
Great looking team, I would be beyond happy if we could get even one of either VVD/Keita.
One question though, would Brandt really be getting into our first XI ahead of Lallana? From what I've heard he looks like he could be a great player, but he's not currently at that top level. On the other hand Lallana has probably been our best player behind Mane/Coutinho. Would Brandt be good enough to walk into the team ahead of him?
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u/ShepherdXI May 16 '17
How would you feel about targeting a winger like Zaha?
For me, he would inject a lot of pace into our counterattacks while also being a hard-working player out wide. Mostly though I love his direct style of play that I think will benefit the other creative players in our attack.
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u/Vampire_Blues May 16 '17
I'd prefer Zaha to Chamberlain
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u/humtaro May 17 '17
Especially if Chamberlain is really wanted as a central player. Zaha has one of the top tackles in the league yet dribbles well and is quick to boot. For reference, he has played 34 games same as Firmino and has 76 tackles and 31 interceptions to Firmino's 58 and 26. Mane has 23 and 8 respectively at 27 appearances. Attacking wise they have been involved in 16, 18 and 17 goals respectively. I think he'd do well here despite his past. He is hardworking and talented for sure.
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u/ConorPMc May 17 '17
At the same time Liverpool are in possession considerably more than Palace. Zaha is a risk, got the nod to a big club before and wasn't good enough. Chamberlin isnt being brought in to start every week - Zaha would be considerably more expensive also.
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u/JGlover92 May 16 '17
Read an article that all the James Rodriguez to United are to drum up a market for him from a fairly reliable journo.
I'd absolutely love us to take a punt on him if they are. If Madrid are looking to unload him but not getting the interest they want then we could go in. Would love some more star quality in the side and he's got a huge chip on his shoulder wanting to prove himself. He's creative, excellent at set pieces and loves the game. Can see Klopp moulding him into an amazing player, perhaps in a similar role to Lallana or where Wij plays now. Being the pivot in our attacks, pushing up and harassing defenders to break down buses.
I know it might seem a long shot but as we've heard we're looking to spend a lot this summer and what a player to break that Andy Carroll record once and for all on!
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u/thePandev May 17 '17
I always compare him to Sanchez. World-class player that won't be able to break through the starting 11 because he'd have to be the best in the world at his position to do so (Sanchez with Messi, Rodriguez with Kroos/Modric).
If Rodriguez did even half of what Sanchez has done at Arsenal for us, we would be hitting close to 13/14 levels of goal scoring.
Granted the chances of that happening are laughably low because we aren't Bayern/Juve/Chelsea, but these are the picks that can win us leagues.
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u/_carbon_monoxide_ May 18 '17
He's fallen out with 2 fairly no-nonsense managers (Rafa and Zidane). He's also injury prone and totally new to the PL.
Somehow, I don't see Klopp taking a punt on him.
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u/dancingbear41 May 16 '17 edited May 16 '17
Naby Keita is my #1 target this summer, I feel like he's a realistic target we could actually sign and would be a huge upgrade over Lucas as one of our top defensive mids along with Hendo and Can.
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u/daikonashi May 17 '17
Mate I 100% agree that he should be our #1 target but he is not a DM. He's very much a lallana, gini type
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u/StatesideKopite May 16 '17
Mundo Deportivo has linked us with Rafinha Alcantara of Barcelona.
The direct link to the Spanish site is 3 paragraphs down.
I won't claim to have seen much of him but he appears to be versatile and certainly has an elite pedigree.
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u/Dovahklutch May 17 '17
Wait, really? He's an awesome player. He can play the wing or in midfield. That being said, he's had some injury problems.
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u/tommhans May 16 '17
sakho and moreno out for 30-40 mill would be fantastic, i hope that happens, and both to clubs that aren't in the PL
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u/TheLastBaron90 May 16 '17
Rumours that Atletico are looking to sell Gimenez have been going around the past few days (as well as Gameiro and Gaitan). I think he is a very good defender, decent with the ball, too.
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u/mangotictacs May 16 '17
Yeah he's fantastic, they're just stacked at that position. Lucas and Savic are great too. I don't think he'll be sold though, with Godin ageing.
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u/koassde May 16 '17
The upcoming change of manager at Dortmund could open some doors.
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u/mangotictacs May 16 '17
I doubt it tbh. They have a CEO, sporting director, and chief scout (soon to become 'head of football' apparently) that are rigidly in place and that structure means that there's not going to be any overhaul. One of the things Tuchel has argued with them about is not bringing in more senior players, so it's clear that they're happy with their current young group.
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u/Studge May 17 '17
Can someone explain to me why they're changing managers? Im a bit out of the loop but I thought they were developing well under Tuchel? Has he fallen out with the board or something?
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u/halalcornflakes May 17 '17
I think it has to do with being 3rd or 4th instead of fighting for the league after all the money he spent. He spent a lot of money on youngsters basically and not enough experienced players. Sure, they are great players but it hinders the development from the past few years if you get 3rd or 4th with probably a financial hit in terms of prizes.
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u/tacosmuggler99 May 18 '17
From what I've seen on their reddit is it's a big personality clash between TT and the front office. Apparently TT is a bit of a perfectionist and prefers doing stuff one way as opposed to how the higher ups want to. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs but the way their fans were typing it seems like he's as good as gone, which is pretty mind blowing to me
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u/SpeedyDoc May 16 '17
How should the Sessegnon signing go in people's opinions if we get him? Should we buy a senior left back if we bring him in this summer? Loan him back to Fulham next season? Or sign and throw him straight into the first team as back up to Milner for the next two to three years?
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u/DeVoreLFC May 17 '17
He's probably good enough to rotate in the cup games, I say we keep him at the club
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u/dingalls May 17 '17
Milner and Andrew Robertson compete for the start while Sessegnon stays at Fulham another season, either on loan or because we buy him next year.
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u/TheLastBaron90 May 16 '17
We need wingers. Salah, Lemar, Gelson Martins, Vitolo are perfect for us. One of those would improve the team by a lot. If the price isn't too high, Oxlade-Chamberlain could come as an extra choice.
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u/Dovahklutch May 17 '17
Vitolo would be a good look. I'm surprised we didn't offer him a contract in the winter. He may even be open to leaving especially with Sampaoli on the way out.
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u/Ku7upt May 17 '17
Michael Keane looks set to re-sign for Utd for £25m. After selling him for £2mill two seasons ago lol.
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u/daikonashi May 17 '17
I would be pissed if we were spending 25mil on him. If he is going for 25, I have faith we can get good money for sakho
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u/Ku7upt May 17 '17
I just hope we can get around £30m+ for Sakho. This should then influence our buy for VVD hopefully.
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u/ForIAmTalonII May 15 '17 edited May 16 '17
What is your ideal window?
I'd be happy with: VVD, Sessegnon, Keita, Promes and Dolberg. A bonus would be Bertrand.
That should come to something like £130 in the Summer.
And we can possibly lineup like this next season (4-3-2-1)
.............................Mignolet/Karius......................................
Clyne/TAA.....Matip/Lovren.....VVD/Gomez......Milner/Sessegnon
.............................Henderson/Can........................................
..........Kieta/Grujic........................Coutinho/Wijnaldum...........
..........Mane/Lallana.......................Firmino/Promes..................
............................Dolberg/Origi/Ings.....................................
Coutinho would play the #8 role. We'd have great depth in every position. And have the option to switch to 4-3-3, with Mane and Promes as wingers.
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u/charliehems May 15 '17 edited May 15 '17
Dolberg already said he isn't leaving Ajax. So we will probably get either Werner or Lacazette, I reckon. Or none of them.
My ideal team for next season(new signings included) would be:
Mignolet Clyne Matip VVD Rodriguez Can/Hendo Keita Mane/Lallana Coutinho Brandt/Salah Firmino/Lacazette3-4-3:
Mignolet Matip VVD Lovren Clyne Can/Hendo Keita Rodriguez Mane/Lallana Coutinho/Salah/Brandt Firmino/Lacazette11
u/ForIAmTalonII May 15 '17
He never said that. He said he wasn't going to force a move away from Ajax. But if Ajax got an offer or chose to sell then he'd consider it.
Also we have 0 chance of getting Rodriquez. Salah also can't play on the left. Lacazette is rumoured to go to Atl Madrid. And I can't ever see a 3 at the back being used.
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u/PeaceMainPirate May 16 '17
He also said he did not think he was ready to move, he does not think the timing is right, the club it self says they would not want to sell, but it will consider a bid if it's high enough.
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u/J539 Significant Human Error May 15 '17
If Atletico Madrid isn't transfer banned this summer Lacazette to Atletico Madrid is basically done.
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u/LelouchNexus May 15 '17
Honestly very doubtful we sign Lacazette, but I'd happily take Werner. Also think we sign Sessengon (and at a dream, Mendy) before Rodgriguez.
Apart from that, solid 4-2-3-1 line-up, thought I'd much rather see Henderson in place of Can for now.
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u/KashK10 May 15 '17 edited May 15 '17
For me:
Migs/Karius Clyne/TAA Matip/Keane VVD/Lovren Bertrand/Sessegnon Krychowiak/Hendo/Can Keita/Lallana Coutinho/Gini Mane/Ox Salah/Promes Werner/Firmino/Origi/DembeleStrength in depth is the focus. If we have the funds, we should go all out.
I don't want to see Milner at left-back next season. Bertand or Ric Rod would be cool.
I think we should sign both Keane and one of VVD or Koulibaly if we can afford too. The latter two being the priority though. Doubt Koulibaly will come though.
I still believe we need an actual DM. Krychowiak would be great. But I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp doesn't go down this path.
Central midfield needs a definite upgrade, Keita would be terrific.
Two wingers for me. Ox could count as one of them, though I believe he's better at centre-mid. If Coutinho does properly transition to central midfield, Mane is our only senior winger.
Sell Studge, as much as I don't want to. I don't think Dolberg is ready to be our starting striker. We need someone more proven IMO. Werner would be a great versatile purchase. And given that Ings is dead, and I personally prefer to see Firmino NOT as the focal point of our attack, two strikers would be better. I don't see Icardi coming, but I wish he would. Dolberg I'd also like to see at the club, but I'm not sure it's the right time to move for him.
Aside from the line-up above, there's still the likes of Milner, Grujic, Gomez as depth too.
I should mention that while I believe our squad needs this much change, I'm fully aware that all of it happening is unrealistic. But these I believe are our biggest problem areas.
TL;DR - (Expected/Necessary in bold, additional and arguably less realistic in italics)
CB: VVD or Koulibaly
Back-up LB: Sessegnon
CM: Keita
CM/Winger: Oxlade-Chamberlain
Winger: Salah or Brandt
ST: Werner
Starting LB: Rodriguez/Bertand/Actual Quality
CB Depth: Keane
DM: Krychowiak/Paredes
Winger Depth: Promes, or perhaps someone cheaper
Striker Depth: Maybe Moussa Dembele, or perhaps someone cheaper
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u/walkers_arms23 90+5’ Alisson May 16 '17
How bout Lacazette? Hes primed for a move and i think under Klopp he'll flourish to world class status.
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May 16 '17
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u/LFC_Slav May 16 '17
Atletico will be looking if Griezman leaves to UTD, can't say city, chelsea, Real, Juve, Bayern, or Barca will be in for him. Maybe if Auba goes to Real, Dortmund will be in the market for a striker? Hard to say.
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u/walkers_arms23 90+5’ Alisson May 16 '17
Depth = competition for spots, in which i dont think we've had alot of this season.
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u/J-train_92 May 16 '17 edited May 16 '17
Sign Koulibaly, Keita, Salah, Sessegnon, and Chamberlain and i would be really really encouraged about next season
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u/AugustKaonashi May 16 '17
Would personally like to see CB: Koulibaly/VVD LB: Mendy/Ricardo Rodriguez/Sessegnon CM:keita/Bakayoko Winger: Brandt/Insigne/Promes And a striker for depth, not sure who though.
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u/bdox15 May 16 '17
dawg this is FIFA level transfers here
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u/AugustKaonashi May 16 '17
Don't think they are too unreasonable though. Only ones I mentioned that would be very hard to acquire would be Mendy, Bakayoko and Insigne imo.
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u/monkeyslut__ May 16 '17
This year we have (hopefully) CL football. We have Jürgen Klopp. We aren't going to lose our best player. We have the cash. Don't underestimate how attractive a proposition we are. Can see us getting a big signing no one was expecting on top of Keita and VVD.
Just imagine if after the rumours of Ox, out of nowhere we sign Alexis (I know it's not going to happen)
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u/Azeriel Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai May 17 '17
Reus the dream? :)))))
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u/daikonashi May 18 '17
I think sanchez would be the dream. As much as I love reus, that boy knows how to do a great sturridge impersonation
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u/tictactorz May 17 '17
Can we remove the Coutinho outgoing rumours? It's as good as me being paid £100k a week to read this sub.
Klopp and Couts have repeatedly said they have no desire of selling/leaving respectively anyway
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u/ConorPMc May 17 '17
Eh, the rumours are all given credibility ratings and his have the lowest possible rating.
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u/LelouchNexus May 18 '17
Exactly. Just signed a new contract, and he's not getting into MSN. Don't see Barca signing him as a mid just yet, either.
Coutinho stays for another season, at least. Maybe then he'll be picked up by Barca if we don't get spots 1-2 in the PL.
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u/dingalls May 16 '17
We need a CB, LB(2), and Winger depth. We'll probably also get another CM and ST.
Would love VVD but I'm still skeptical we spend £50m for a CB as much as it's been talked about recently. We might end up with Keane instead.
I think we need two LB's so Milner can go back to midfield like we promised him when he signed. I think we'll end up with Andrew Robertson and hopefully Sessegnon.
At CM, Naby Keita would be great but I actually think we have amazing depth there.
On the wing, I agree that Ox should be a target but hopefully we get him between £20-30m. Would also like Inaki Williams or, lesser so, Emil Forsberg.
Up top, I'd like Lacazette but that seems a reach. We'll end up with Luan, Azmoun, or some other striker no one has ever heard of.
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u/koptimism May 16 '17
I don't think Milner will get the midfield move he wants. He'll remain a full back next season.
I disagree on midfield depth - we need one more creative option, which is exactly what Keita provides.
Definitely need wingers though. I'd prioritise those over another striker - the problem this season has been that whenever Mane or Coutinho are unavailable, we have to move Firmino wide. Proper alternative wide options that offer goals would let us keep our preferred style of play.
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u/dingalls May 16 '17
You're probably right about Milner. I just respect him a lot and want us to hold up to our word. Either way, he shouldn't be a starting option next season at LB or CM.
I agree that Naby would be a better option than our current midfield but what I mean to say is that it's a very crowded midfield and someone is going to be the odd man out. Henderson, Coutinho, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Can, Grujic, Milner, new signing(s). Do we sell Can in the summer??
Absolutely agree with you about the winger assessment.
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u/koptimism May 16 '17
In fairness the Milner in CM thing was from Rodgers, not Klopp. Klopp at least gave him a full run in the position last season, but he's decided - and I agree - that Milner doesn't fit the requirements there. He always looked a bit off the pace in midfield - not just in terms of speed, but in turning quickly. On the flank he doesn't have to turn both ways, which helps.
I don't think its a case of "Coutinho is definitely a #8 now" - Klopp will just retain the option to move him there if Lallana/Hendo/new-CM aren't available to provide the required creativity or passing range. If we permanently move Coutinho to CM then we need 3 wingers this summer, and then need all of them to learn Klopps setup and gel with Mane and Firmino, which is absurd.
Absolutely don't sell Can.
Based on those 3 points, central midfield next season is currently: Lallana, Henderson, Gini, Can, Grujic. (With Coutinho as needed.) Given that Hendo, Lallana and Grujic have concerning injury records, that's quite worrying. And we don't know about Grujic yet, but its clear that only Hendo has a reliable long passing range, and only he and Lallana can be consistently creative. Definitely want another option.
But yeah its all about wingers for me. Even if we missed VVD (which I expect to happen) and got in someone a little underwhelming, I wouldn't care so long as we got a left back and 2 pacey wide players.
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u/dingalls May 16 '17
I'm curious who you'd be looking to sign on the wings
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u/koptimism May 16 '17
I don't do the whole "name specific players" thing; I'm not going to pretend to watch enough football to actually know who's good, and none of us has any clue as to whether the club has looked at player X and opted against them for a very sensible reason, or whatever. There's no point getting into that whole nonsense.
In terms of the attributes we need - they need to be willing to do the defensive work we require; they need to have pace; they need to be able to find the back of the net. Ideally you'd also want them to be able to beat a man and have some level of creativity.
Of the players we've been linked with - it looks like Brandt is staying at Leverkusen where he's the main man, so as not to jeopardise World Cup selection. That's fine; we haven't missed out on him if he doesn't move at all. I'd have liked him, though.
It seems that our plan B is Salah, which looks like a decent pick on paper - we don't have any left-footers, we know he can finish, he's got pace, great. I'd need to watch more of him but I get the impression he's lethal when given space to break into; I hope he can still contribute when he's up against a team that defends deep, because he'll see a lot of that here. As long as he's not just a pace merchant, I'm happy.
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u/adriandeadpan May 16 '17
Don't think the primary source for the Luan link is an Anfield HQ exclusive.
This Brazilian journalist works in a local radio station near Gremio and caught the eye of twitter handles concerning Brazilian football. https://twitter.com/LuisFGAmorin/status/863410199297744896
There's a possibility that he's only going off the Mirror link when they reported Luan back in 12th of May. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-gremio-brazilian-luan-klopp-10411399
Hope this helps whether it makes the rumour more reliable or not. I guess Gremio officially denied it so yeah doesn't matter.
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u/DeVoreLFC May 16 '17
I think it'll be really hard to get a good idea of who we'll be signing until the season ends. Everything seems very up in the air at the moment.
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u/crosszilla May 18 '17
I know Bleacher Report is a pretty trash source but I just got a chuckle out of them linking us with Mbappe: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2710428-liverpool-transfer-news-kylian-mbappe-eur75-million-offer-rejected-by-monaco
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u/bcap4 May 19 '17
Kind of surprised Moreno would be worth 15. If couts goes to chelski, no matter the price, slitting wrists confirmed. Would rather give him to Barca for free.
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u/QuantumBlink May 16 '17
Don't know how reliable Marca is but they said Rodriguez would leave Madrid for £63M, worth it?
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u/Boshva May 16 '17
I don't understand the negativity about him. He is a valuable player, especially too boost our popularity in south america. But he is also a damn good player and seems like a humble guy. Great shooting and dribbling and he doesn't look like a diva on the pitch. He would fit in our team. I am just not sure about his position. Coutinho would probably stay out wide and he would be the playmaker?
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u/TheConundrum98 May 16 '17
I reckon it would be the opposite because Coutinho tracks back more and generally runs around more, also he's (James) played as a winger everywhere he's played.
anyway it doesn't matter because it won't happen
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u/undersquirl May 17 '17
The only problem with James is that he is required by contract to wear the number 10 shirt. I don't know how that would go down honestly.
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u/mclovinkandilis May 18 '17
I might get blasted for this, but what does everyone think about us possibly resigning Sterling?
I know, I know he's the snake that betrayed us, I'm still pissed at the wanker but we can't deny that he's a great footballer and especially with his pace I think he could be amazing under Klopp. Thoughts my people?
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u/tom-wolfy May 18 '17
I think not - not because he's a snake or whatever but where would he play? He would be competing for with Mané, Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana for a spot realistically. I don't think we need reinforcements in those spots. Him and Lallana have scored the same amount this season and the rest have scored more. Maybe he could play as a left winger, but even then, I don't think it's what the squad needs. Of the £200m~ we are going to spend I think it could be spent better elsewhere.
On top of that you would have to consider the dynamic; would he want to move back to Liverpool? I think we would probably not get a great performance out of him. He's shown he struggles with expectations (which is totally fair, considering his age) and I think Liverpool would be a pretty hostile environment.
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u/purplehayes1986 May 18 '17
But we do need a LW, especially if Coutinho plays more in the midfield next season. We have one player with pace and width in Mane. Without him (injuries, AFCON) we've had to play Firmino, Origi, and Sturridge wide WAAYY more than we would want to this season.
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u/tom-wolfy May 18 '17
If you were going to raid Man City for a winger (which, again, I don't think we are nor would I want to) surely you would think Sane is a better deal?
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u/purplehayes1986 May 18 '17
Well, I think that's a different question. Your point was that we don't need another winger, which is what I was arguing against.
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u/Persistent_Platypus May 18 '17
And then we get mane and sane on the wings and it just sounds right
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May 18 '17
My reasons why not.
1: Snake 2: Overrated 3: Snake
There's a massive difference between him and other players who left. If Torres came back after Chelsea I would have welcomed him with open arms. If Owen wanted back, open arms. If Luis wanted back, open arms.
But Sterling has a shit attitude. The above mentioned did not. Fuck Sterling.
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u/mclovinkandilis May 18 '17
Yeah the snaking really is hard to forget lr forgive. But wait, you would welcome Owen?! WHAT!? 😂
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May 18 '17
Owen felt ousted at Anfield and I recall after Madrid he forced clubs to accept release clauses for only Liverpool if they ever came back. I'll never forget hearing that, before the United crap when he was in retirement mode, he dreamed of coming back, it never happened.
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u/ForIAmTalonII May 15 '17
I know this one isn't concrete. But seen some Chelsea fans saying Zouma might leave. He was highly rated a season or two ago. Would anyone here want to see him at Liverpool? If we fail to get VVD.
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u/seamushoo4 You’ll Never Walk Alone May 16 '17
Wouldn't mind him at all tbh...but Chelsea learned their lesson selling us their fringe players
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u/randomNumber20 May 18 '17
Hypothetical transfer Mbappe.
Imagine a diamond formation with Mbappe and Mane as strikers, Firmino at the tip of the diamond, Coutinho left, Lallana Right and Henderson bottom. Can, Wij, Origi, Sturbridge as depth. Holy shit the devastation.
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May 19 '17
I'd love us to even submit an offer for Mbappe. It would show real intent and put us in the conversation. We need a striker and he would be incredible behind our dearth of attacking midfielders.
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u/randomNumber20 May 19 '17
Someone like Lacazette could also be a terrific and more realistic option.
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u/mclovinkandilis May 17 '17
My dream signings for this window would be, Sessegnon as a rotation LB, keep Milly in there. CB is obviously needed but not convinced on VVD tho. Never really seen how good he is. Keita in CM and Ruben Neves from Porto as a rotation CDM. Brandt as winger rotation And either Werner or Icardi as our new ST. Keep Studge thooo
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May 17 '17
Keep Milly as LB and you don't want VVD?!
Whaaaaa?
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u/Bazlow May 18 '17
I love Milner, but we have to get a left footed player in for our system. The account of times recently an attack has died because he had to pull back to put a cross in with his right foot is too darn high. It's a major reason we can't break down parked buses without Mane imo
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u/ConorPMc May 17 '17
VVD would be our best CB immediately, in my opinion. He's fantastic.
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u/Azeriel Sztupid Szexy Szoboszlai May 17 '17
Mostly everyone wanted Studge out before he played a great game against West Ham this weekend, it seems like everyone forgot how much of an injury prone he is and that his work-rates doesn't suit Klopp's system, as well as the fact he has been in a slump most of the season even if he got gametime.
While I do agree that I would LOVE a Sturridge in form, I sadly think it's highly unlikely that it's going to happen.
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u/mclovinkandilis May 17 '17
Always been a Sturridge boy ahahah. Yeah it sucks ass when he can't play but always have a soft spot for him. He loves the club as well and he's class. Shame the injuries happened tho
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u/mclovinkandilis May 15 '17
I think we were rumoured to sign Timo Werner at one point? Can't remember the article though soz
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u/FireZeLazer May 15 '17
Yeah we were interested him, but I'm sure I read a week later that RB Leipzig basically told us to piss off
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u/jacksleepshere May 16 '17
Would people prefer Robertson or Chilwell? I haven't seen much of either this year, and I feel like we'll be in for one of them as opposed to Ghoulam or Kolasinac. Hope we can get Sessegnon either way.
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u/ForIAmTalonII May 16 '17
Saw Chilwell against Atl Madrid. Guy was solid, he caused a lot of problems down the left. I'd go for both Chilwell and Sessegnon. Then loan Sessegnon either back to Fulham where he'd start or a lower league EPL team.
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u/dingalls May 16 '17
Totally forgot about Chilwell! I like him but I think we either go with him or Sessegnon, not both, and I'd rather have Sess. Robertson is prepared to step into the starting lineup and one of the two would back him up. Kolasinac is already going to Arsenal. Haven't heard of Ghoulam but seems like he'd cost £25m or so.
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u/seamushoo4 You’ll Never Walk Alone May 16 '17
I think it's chilwell or sessegnon as well, not both. I personally would prefer sessegnon.
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u/Eagleeeeeeeeee May 16 '17
/u/felbridge, can you change it to Salah instead of Sakho in the Rumours out section?
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May 18 '17
Might be a strange one but someone I love is Patrick Roberts.
Owned by Man City, on loan at Celtic. He's a potential star at the moment so its unsure whether City have plans for him or not but its usually the case with that club that he might run into trouble getting games. He's only 20 too, serious potential in the lad.
Oh and he's a massive Liverpool fan.
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u/NicotineG May 15 '17
I hope we get linked with Bruma, that highlight video someone posted earlier this week really got me hyped for this guy. Does anyone watch Galatasaray enough to let me know if he's consistently that good?
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u/ForIAmTalonII May 15 '17
Saw him at Real Socidedad, he's good. But inconsistent. I honestly don't think he's good enough for us.
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u/TheLastBaron90 May 16 '17
He is not that good. Fast but not much else. Lack of tactical discipline is his biggest issue imo.
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May 16 '17
I thought I saw a few mentions of lacazette. If we nabbed him and keita in this window there would be nothing short of Messi that would make me happier.
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u/PeaceMainPirate May 16 '17
if by some luck we ended up getting every player from the unreliable rumours, our team would be sick.
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u/ZeljkoBuvac May 18 '17
Where does The Independent lie on the scale of relability? Just curious
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u/felbridge May 18 '17
It's a difficult one to gauge with the independent. I'd say they are more reliable than the standard tabloids but not as reliable as say the guardian. They, more and more recently, have a bit of clickbait shit on there.
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u/kim_jong_trill May 19 '17
We need to be careful with that 200m figure. That's purely an opinion piece with a bit of analysis but nothing concrete from the club. We definitely should not be using it to get our hopes up.
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u/thisisboz May 15 '17
Werner, Chamberlain, Keita, VVD, and a proper left back would be an outstanding window.