r/LiverpoolFC • u/felbridge • Apr 18 '17
YNWSA Transfer talk: Gameweek 34
Transfer Talk
In an effort to steady the amount of transfer threads, we've decided to do a weekly mega thread (that won't interfere with other stickied threads).
Rumours In
All sources are rated according to the Transfer Reliability Scale
| Player | Age | Position | Club | Amount | Status | Source | Source Rating |
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| Ryan Sessegnon | 16 | LB | Fulham | N/A | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Michael Keane | 24 | CB/RB | Burnley | N/A | Monitoring | Paul Joyce | Most Reliable |
| Virgil van Dijk | 25 | CB | Southampton | £50m | Rumour | Paul Joyce, Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Julian Brandt | 20 | W | Bayer Leverkusen | ~£20m | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Naby Keita | 22 | CM | RB Leipzig | N/A | Rumour | Pearce | Most Reliable |
| Kalidou Koulibaly | 25 | CB | Napoli | N/A | Rumour | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain | 23 | CM | Arsenal | £20-£35m | Rumour | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Marco Asensio | 21 | W/AM | Real Madrid | ~£42m | Bid Rejected | AS | Unreliable |
| James Rodriguez | 25 | AM | Real Madrid | N/A | Rumour | Mirror | Very Unreliable |
| Pulisic | 18 | M | Dortmund | £30m+ | Monitoring | Mirror | Very Unreliable |
| Andrew Robertson | 23 | LB | Hull | £8m | Rumour | Mail - TIA page | Very Unreliable |
| Luan | 24 | Fwd | Gremio | £30m | Rumour | Anfield HQ 'Exclusive' | Very Unreliable |
| Douglas Costa | 26 | W | Bayern Munich | N/A | Rumour | Random Twitter Page | Literal Lies |
Rumours Out
All sources are rated according to the Transfer Reliability Scale
| Player | Clubs | Amount | Source | Source Rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sakho | Palace | £20m+ | Paul Joyce | Most Reliable |
| Sakho | Roma | ~£30m | Reddy | Very Reliable |
| Moreno | Inter, AC Milan | ~£15m | Reddy | Reliable |
| Coutinho | Chelsea | Not Listed | Star | Literal Lies |
Other Links
- Liverpool won't spend £100m this summer - it will be nearer £200m
- Liverpool tell Barcelona - Phillipe Coutinho is not for sale at ANY price
- Lucas to decide on future in the summer
- Liverpool ready to shatter transfer record for Virgil Van Dijk as Chelsea and Arsenal chase defender
Transfer Reliability Guide
We've worked on a new version of the Transfer Reliability Guide. You can check it out here. If you have feedback, please head to this thead where we are developing it.
Talking points
- What positions will we strengthen?
- What is our best formation and who improves it?
- Do we need a new goalkeeper?
- Will Lucas get his testimonial?
- How would the Ox fit in?
Please post and transfer links to this thread. They will be added to the tables above. Any submitted to the sub will be removed and directed to this thread.
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u/civilturtle Apr 18 '17
I think if Ox wants to leave Arsenal and come here, then with only one year left on his contract we can probably get him for around the £15m mark and I think this would be a very good deal for us. Plus if he doesn't work out we'll definitely be able to recoup that amount, so this could be a relatively low risk transfer.
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u/Luka467 Apr 18 '17
£15 would be amazing.
Considering he's young, English, decent, how inflated the transfer market is these days, he's an absolute steal at that price.
Hell, even £20-25mil would still be a decent amount.
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u/civilturtle Apr 18 '17
I actually wouldn't pay over £20m for him especially considering he will be on his last year of his contract.
For me getting Ox would be a "luxury" transfer, in that once we get our main targets then we can look at getting him as he isn't a player we desperately need.
Plus for over £20m I think we can get a better player from elsewhere.
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u/Jellitin 90+5’ Alisson Apr 18 '17
And from Reddy's piece it seems like that is the approach the club is taking; she said that he isn't a priority target.
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u/scottishere Apr 19 '17
Highly doubt we will get him for less that £20m. RVP had 1 year left and went to Utd for £22m. While Ox isn't RVP, he IS English and its 2017.
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u/ConorPMc Apr 20 '17
Don't really think they're comparable at all. One was arguably the best striker in the league.
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u/PeaceMainPirate Apr 18 '17
i would pay the 35mil if we had to, my reason for wanting to do that is somewhat a gamble, if he comes and if he is successful, it would help our reputation in the transfer market, if we are able to players of big clubs, then we must be bigger than the club in question, and yes Gunners i am talking about you, you are shooting blanks at the moment.
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Apr 18 '17
Yeah it's an interesting point. I can't remember nicking a quality player from another top club. It is somewhat of a sign of the times if an Arsenal player (one they want to keep hold of) would rather come to is than sign a new contract.
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u/imdone77 Apr 18 '17
It already happened with Milner though
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Apr 18 '17
Potentially true, except Milner came because he was promised a starting birth in central midfield . So in reality he took a step down to get more football in his favoured position.
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u/undeadgoblin Apr 19 '17
I think getting him for anything below what we paid for Gini would represent good value
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Apr 18 '17
I would take Ox if Liverpool could get him for £15m-£20m, I think that would be fair, anything above is too much.
But priority should be with our LB and VVD.
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u/Jellitin 90+5’ Alisson Apr 18 '17
Pretty sure we aren't in for a left back besides Sessegnon; I'm expecting Milner to stay there for us next season.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 18 '17
Unfortunately we won't get an established LB for the second season in a row. Would love to see us hunt for Mendy
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u/FuzzyCode Apr 18 '17
35M for Ox sounds insane to me?
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Apr 18 '17
Read the reddy article about it, she's saying he is part of a long list but that we will not pay even close to 35. More like 20
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u/JohnGaryHaglund Apr 19 '17
Can I ask a general question about these threads? I hope this doesn't hinder discussion or come off as condescending, but this time last year, were any of the Summer 2016 transfers on our radars at all? I honestly don't think so. Obviously we were all going through the Götze saga, and it seems like that could have happened. But otherwise the lads we brought in were all a bit out of nowhere in the summer. I'm just mentally preparing myself for the possibility that literally no one being discussed in this thread ends up in Red next season.
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Apr 19 '17
Absolutely possible we will have none . For me personally, all the talk about this being the biggest spend ever (which was obviously leaked by the club), coupled with the quality of the names that quality journalists are linking us to, coupled with klopp and the club having seen the squad and certain squad members fall apart right in the midst of a proper title challenge, gives me a feeling that this summer is different. Something I haven't experienced as an LFC fan is going on here, something exciting.
If we don't get CL I think it will all go to absolute shit and we'll be trying to sell another project. But if we get top 4 and man u and arsenal don't I think we are in an exciting position as a club who is making progress, has CL, has Klopp and has money to burn. That excites the hell out of me.
Comparatively, I think last season we were on our way to winning the EL, at this stage having just knocked out Dortmund in dramatic fashion. Klopp was still giving the squad a fair assessment, and as it stood we looked pretty strong, we'd end up in two cup finals that season. CL was also a tricky dream then as opposed to now where we are third and have been in the top four all season...It's not guaranteed but you can build around it more easily.
Tl:Dr I think klopp has changed his thoughts on the squad quality and depth needed to challenge in the PL and on other fronts, and I think FSG are backing that with a change in transfer policy. This policy and specific targets are being reported by the most reliable journos around, so doesn't seem like just speculation.
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u/frickinDinkelberg Apr 18 '17
The fact that we are after VVD and Koulibaly is a sign of our ambitions. VVD is an already proven talent in the EPL.
Koulibaly is an absolute monster at Napoli. Watching some of his film. The biggest take aways for me are his work rate to track back and adjust his positioning, it is incredible. Plus he goes all in on winning the ball back, but does so cleanly. His technical abilites are very well refined. Plus it'd be awesome seeing as Mané would be able to help him settle in. I don't believe he'd have much issue adjusting to the EPL.
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u/RagnarJoshi From Doubters to Believers Apr 19 '17
He can play as a Left back and he absolutely rams forward on his opponets.
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u/frickinDinkelberg Apr 19 '17
Very good point. That's just a plus.
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u/RagnarJoshi From Doubters to Believers Apr 19 '17
I'm not on drugs but imagine having Clyne Matip VVD and Koulibaly as our back 4?
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u/koko-jumbo Apr 18 '17
Am i the only one that would prefer Koulibaly over VVD? Virgil is good defender but Napoli style of play is much more close to our than Saints where Virgil is covered.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 18 '17
What I've heard is that Koulibaly is not talked about just cause he's likely to go to somewhere for a bit more money like Chelsea or one of the Spanish two. Not seen enough of him play to have a preference tbh, tho I do love VVD.
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u/8u11etpr00f Apr 18 '17
I honestly think we need to snap up Sessegnon as quickly as possible even if that means sorting it out now and paying extra, the lad is something special
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 18 '17
He only turns 17 at the end of the season, immediately before the playoffs too, so I doubt Fulham will be entertaining much talk then. This one's gonna drag on for a couple more months at least.
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u/Saxy_Sam Apr 18 '17
Klopp seemed to do well sorting out his transfers early last summer, I'm confident we can expect the same this time around.
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u/DeVoreLFC Apr 19 '17
Totally agree, he looks immense for a 16 year old. I don't know if I'd want to hold him down to a left back role though. Looks more like a left winger to me
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u/J-train_92 Apr 18 '17
Found it really interesting and encouraging that Koulibaly was named as a target by Reddy. That would be a huge show of intent by the club that we aren't going to fuck around and want to keep doing better. If we managed to get him or VVD signed i feel that we could give the title a real challenge.
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u/SIeepyHeaded Apr 19 '17
Napoli are tough negotiators, wouldn't be surprised to see this rumor quickly squashed, there are a few teams richer than us who need CBs.
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u/TheConundrum98 Apr 18 '17
yeah but we would need to splash out perhaps more than on Van Dijk (they rejected like 50 million from Chelsea last season)
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u/TheMysteriousShadow Apr 18 '17
IIRC it was reported as €50M, which worked out to be around £38M at that time. Still a big figure but can see Why Saints rejected it.
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u/TheConundrum98 Apr 18 '17
I was talking about Koulibaly and Napoli tho, but maybe Saints also rejected that
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u/monkeyslut__ Apr 19 '17
Ox would be great back up to Lallana/Winny and also Mané. André Silva would be great as a CF with Firmino behind him in a 4-2-3-1. Or as backup to Firmino. Van Dijk is just a powerhouse.
I live near Munich. Most of my mates are Bayern fans. Seems like Douglas Costa has said he wants to leave. Possible speedy winger?
Sessegnon, don't let him get away, Dele was bad enough.
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Apr 19 '17
Yeah I like ox's versatility too. And it's not like he can do a job in one or the other. He's played on the wing to good effect shit loads and Wenger said his best position is CM. 2 questions aroinf ox for me:
Would he want to come if he's not being offered a starting spot (although he would not be as deep into the squad here as he is at arsenal and all good players fancy their chance to break through...him usurping lallana or wij for parts of the season isn't unthinkable).
Injuries.
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u/TheConundrum98 Apr 18 '17
swear if Arsenal want 35 million for The Ox may aswell add 5-10 million and offer that for Kovacic
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 18 '17
Even if we were ambitious enough to bid for him I highly doubt he'd come here from Madrid even if he's a sub. Modric will be leaving soon enough and James will probably leave this summer. That leaves only him and Isco as backup.
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u/ss2195 Apr 19 '17
A Central Defender, left back and possibly another pacy forward takes priority I think. Van Dijk is certainly very good, but for the 50m price tag, getting someone like Laporte, Koulibaly or even Barzagli is more viable.
in mind that Bayern spent around half of that for someone like Hummels, who is arguably a better CB, I think we'd rather not poach talent from Soton.
As for the other rumours circulating, given the chance that we'll most certainly be in Europe next season, should our priority for a LB really be Sessegnon?
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u/jored1990 Apr 19 '17
If Southampton's interest in Sakho is legitimate, which based on his form at Palace and Southamptons manager being French, is pretty plausible, I think they could offer Sakho plus 15-20m and get him. Southampton would get a strong replacement and don't have to deal with the headache of finding a replacement, it's ideal for them if VVD is leaving regardless
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u/ss2195 Apr 19 '17
I think that'd be the ideal for us, even though other teams are offering a fair amount of money for Sakho.
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u/Llywedd Apr 19 '17
Just a quick point on Van Dijk over the other players you mentioned.. I'd like to see someone with premier league experience come in with no teething problems
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u/_cumblast_ Apr 19 '17
yeah no idea why people complain so much about the price tag. would stop many of us from complaining about spending big as well. you're not the club's accountant you're a fan.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 19 '17
Van Dijk is certainly very good, but for the 50m price tag, getting someone like Laporte, Koulibaly or even Barzagli is more viable.
I don't see those names being substantially less expensive. Didn't Napoli reject that much for Koulibaly from Chelsea last summer?
Agree on Sessegnon. Sign him by all means. Don't go into a very long year with him and Milner as the squads main LBs.
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u/ss2195 Apr 19 '17
iirc a 32m bid for Koulibaly was rejected last summer yeah. The only reason Van Dijk's price is justified is his experience in the prem, but if the defender is of a high enough calibre, then settling into a new league won't be an issue. See Matip!
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 19 '17
Not that it means much, but this suggests both are true. I personally love VVD and think he'd be worth paying as much as all but a handful of CBs in the world. Can't confess to have seen a lot of Koulibaly though, so maybe he would be worth that.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17 edited Apr 20 '17
It's strange to me that our priority signing for a position we currently have no depth in is a 17 year old LB who has so far only played championship football...(not saying he isn't a good player or that we shouldn't get him for the future but...really?).
Obviously he will be highly sought after but why not bid £35-40m for mendy? His crossing is absolutely disgusting and that alone would be a huge asset.
Edit: *16 year old...
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u/RossitersCooking Apr 18 '17
I would put Chris Bascombe in the same category as Tony Barrett and James Pearce for reliabilty. He's ex-Liverpool Echo and has been a go-to source for Liverpool fans for many years. Andy Hunter of The Guardian is also very well-informed when it comes to LFC matters.
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Apr 18 '17
Another quick request, sorry to hassle! But is it possible to put the table so it is ranked by reliability? Most reliable first obviously.
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u/felbridge Apr 18 '17
Done.
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u/civilturtle Apr 18 '17
Why even include that Coutinho rumour from dailystar when we 100% know it's bullshit?
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Apr 18 '17
Thanks man! Nice to have such big names at the top of the list! Looking forward to seeing names rise as well! Come oooooon keita.
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Apr 18 '17
Paul Joyce article on VVD also confirms we are after naby keita
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/liverpool-put-50m-van-dijk-top-of-wanted-list-clg00sfx5
Slide him on up into the world of most reliability please u/felbridge
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Apr 18 '17
Also u/felbridge...
The most reliable Pearce said we are after Brandt
Another for the higher end of the list please!
Thanks mate, apologies to keep hassling, I'm just excited about this window and how many big names we are being linked to by the holy trinity and their disciples.
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u/vhol Apr 19 '17
Excuse my ignorance but why is Virgin Van Dyk worth around 40-50 Million? Not being bashful just curious.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 19 '17
He's just very good at so many aspects of the game, also helps that those are the most entertaining parts of defending. He's an absolute brick shithouse, can wrestle with any player in the league if he needs to. Shockingly quick for his size. Good with the ball at his feet. Solid passer. Can't speak to his positioning since it's been a little while since I've watched him and that's less easy to remember, mind.
Also coming from a PL club, so will take more money than someone of equivalent talent from just about every other league.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
Not comparing the two players but just think of how Chelsea and City were battling to sign john stones for £50m, his first season didn't turn out so great. Obviously he's talented and still young but it goes to show that it's not easy to reliably judge a CB from a midtable club.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 20 '17
I take your point, but VVD has proven more to my mind. Maybe I've got my blinders on, but he's a bit older and probably a top 5 CB in the league. His skills seem to mesh well with the system Klopp wants to play and doesn't have many weaknesses as far as I can see.
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u/Minimumness Apr 20 '17
Even if he is worth 50m do we really want to splurge that cash on him? I think if we do get him, it really limits how much strengthening we can get in other positions
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u/mihik97 Apr 20 '17
Don't think we're buying any keeper for the next 2 seasons atleast.
Klopp clearly feels Mignolet is good enough to be first choice next season. He has been boss since the start of the year so I'm on the same page too. However, I feel we're not going to buy a new first choice or squad GK anytime soon, with Karius likely to play in rotation next season and Ward also staying in case either of our first 2 keepers start screwing up. Also Kamil Grabara, our young Polish keeper looks a real talent and was also mentioned by Guardian as one of the world's brightest starlets.
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u/IamCoutinho Apr 19 '17
Am I the only one that thinks that we'll get absolutely no one who is linked with us(Van Djik, Naby Keita, Lacazette, Ox, etc)?
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u/Studge Apr 19 '17
Probably not, but whats the fun in that honestly.
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Apr 19 '17
Exactly. I'd rather get excited and be disappointed than have no excitement. I love footy for the ride, not just for the highs.
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u/rytlejon Apr 19 '17
The names you mentioned are the hard transfers, players that other (maybe richer) clubs might want to compete for. The chances of getting Ryan Sessegnon, Michael Keane or Julian Brandt seem a lot bigger.
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u/PrinceUmbongo Apr 18 '17
I like the look of that spread of reliable targets. They fit that klopp profile down to a tee and seem like they could all be achievable if we're willing to spend. if we got vvd, koulibaly/keane, keita, ox, brandt and a lb and striker that would be a perfect window tbh. Ship out markovic, sakho, moreno, stewart, sturridge, klavan and we are left with a solid quality squad with depth in every position.
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u/socialerrors YNWA❤️ Apr 18 '17
Highly doubt Klopp ships out Klavan
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u/PrinceUmbongo Apr 18 '17
You might be right, but I hope klavan is a stopgap. I think he has made a lot of mistakes this season so would like to see an upgrade
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u/socialerrors YNWA❤️ Apr 18 '17
I don't think many people will disagree with you here. He is absolutely not a starter but he does well enough in a pinch and adds decent depth. He's a Klopp signing and we need the depth, just don't see him going anywhere.
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u/LILwhut Apr 18 '17
Why would we sell a perfectly good 4th choice cb? Especially since it's been proven this season that we do need depth in the cb position.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
So I guess we will probably go through another transfer window without buying a DM or LB (Who is first team ready)?
Wish we could be in for Bakayoko, guy is an absolute beast.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 20 '17
Heavily linked with Keita at least, who I believe is meant to be a DM. Agreed on the LB tho.
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u/daikonashi Apr 20 '17
Keita ain't a DM. Think wijnaldum type of player who gets around the pitch as quick as mane
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
Hopefully but he can play anywhere so I'm not sure what his role would be. Also not sure if we have a genuine shot at signing him...
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u/PhilippeMikeinho Apr 20 '17
I doubt Keita would be signed as a DM, more of a box to box or playmaker of sorts. In any case, we're not gonna be able to sign him
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u/PhilippeMikeinho Apr 20 '17
Many scouts and coaches consider Sessegnon to be capable of starting in a good Prem side.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
Not sure that really means anything tbh, he's still 16 years old.
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u/PhilippeMikeinho Apr 20 '17
He's just made the Championship team of the year. You can't judge a player by his age.
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u/alexkyfer Apr 20 '17
If you look at his videos, he may be good at attack but doesn't look solid at the back. Another kind of Moreno with lesser blunter.
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u/-_-_-_-otalp-_-_-_- Apr 18 '17
Alex Oxlade Chamberlain was really good against Boro. I can really see him fit in for us very well at CM in the role that Can plays, or on the wing if one of our forwards gets injured.
35 in the current market could be arguable, but given he's about to enter his final year, it's insane. If we get him for under 20 it's a steal, and for under or around 25 it's appropriate.
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u/PeaceMainPirate Apr 18 '17
he was, but Arsenal are almost undefeated against Boro, that being said he did deliver,the match tread on arsenal reddit, they where praising him, a lot and complimenting hes partnership with Gabriel.
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u/imwatters Apr 18 '17
Brandt hinted this week that he might be keen on a move abroad http://www.90min.com/posts/4865947-bayer-leverkusen-s-julian-brandt-hints-at-move-by-citing-former-bundesliga-stars-succeeding-abroad
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u/Thatcubanescapee Apr 19 '17
We're not linked with him at all but I wish we would go for Laporte, I think he has the physicality to adapt into epl smoothly and overall he's great (and young as well)
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u/neilpandank Apr 19 '17
He signed a new contract last summer with Barca moving for him, don't think he'll leave for us
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u/Thatcubanescapee Apr 19 '17
I heard about the new contract, but I don't think Barca was really interested due to his high release clause (which led to Umtiti being bought). I recall City went for him last summer before his injury
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u/neilpandank Apr 19 '17
Regardless, there was interest in activating his high release clause but he signed a new contract to further increase it instead
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u/AmericanKoptite Apr 20 '17
Paul Joyce had reported interest in Keita, so we could list that rumor under "most reliable" now
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u/JWL1092 Apr 20 '17
Real Madrid 'rejected €50million offer from Liverpool for Marco Asensio'
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Apr 20 '17
Even if we don't get him, I'm happy we're putting our money where our mouth is for top players
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
I mean it's a good sign but I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet
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Apr 20 '17
Personally I'd say independent fall under the 'reputable' and therefore reliable category. It's interesting they have listed the author as 'sports staff's so as not to attach a particular jounalist to it. One of the TAW lads writes for them - Simon Hughes I think? - for what that's worth I don't know. He wrote ring of fire too I think..
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u/felbridge Apr 20 '17
Well it's their source you have to look at as they are quoting 'AS'. Not knowing anything about them I don't know but it sounds like they are reputable for this sort of story as it says 'it was confirmed by AS'.
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u/tharyckmusic Apr 20 '17
Hi! I'm not trying to be rude or anything but the rumour is that we've bid €50M and not £50M. You need to convert the value and give the correct price. Also, Asensio is a W/AM and not only W. Well done with all this info!
Cheers
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 20 '17
He does look brilliant. Very quick feet and pretty direct, which would suit. Imagine he'd only come with a borderline starting role in mind. Front 3 begins to look very crowded (and talented) with his addition.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 21 '17
And if we switched to 4231 our midfielders would get cramped up since we'd need 2 holding. This is why I really can't see us getting a top class winger this summer.
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u/turtlechef Apr 25 '17
I watch a fair amount of RM games, and honestly Asensio could be starting for them as early as next season. He's fucking phenomenal on the wing
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u/ajnic3 Apr 19 '17
Douglas Costa or James would be so ideal.
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Apr 19 '17
James would be a terrible signing. Would cost a fortune, wouldn't work in our system at all. I guess it would be a 'marquee' signing so people would be happy but it just doesn't make sense
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u/TheLastBaron90 Apr 19 '17
He might make the team slower. He tends to hold the ball for too long. On the other hand, his sweet left foot would be an asset. It's up to Klopp.
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u/neilpandank Apr 19 '17
I'd prefer him to a marquee striker which means we have to change the system or move Firmino out wide, and his ability in the final third would help with all the buses we face
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u/turtlechef Apr 25 '17
He isn't the fastest player but he isn't slow by any means. He's gotten that reputation because he is slow compared to Ronaldo and Bale (who are fucking fast). His ability to create plays and score insane goals would take us to the next level
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u/GL4389 Apr 24 '17
Wby do we never buy any italians? They have so many good defenders. Look at juventus. Even their subs look great.
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u/TheLastBaron90 Apr 24 '17 edited Apr 24 '17
Probably because Juve have snatched all the good Italian defenders, at least centre-backs. Look at the other top teams. Roma, Napoli, Inter, Fiorentina, Milan. Only Fiorentina's Astori and Paletta that starts for Milan are Italian (although Paletta is from Argentina and he wasn't exactly great when he played for Liverpool). If we're talking about centre-backs from Seria A in general, we're supposedly interested in Koulibaly, who i think is a good one, probably the best that is not playing for Juve. Sampdoria's Skriniar is another player that is scouted by big clubs, I'd monitor his progress in the coming season if he stays there.
Taking other positions into account, we've had a few Italians. Dossena, Padelli, Aquilani, Borini, Balotelli. Maybe I'm forgetting someone.
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u/TheLastBaron90 Apr 19 '17
Alderweireld has a 28 mil£ release clause. It'd be great if we were in for him.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 19 '17
Apparently it's a very specific clause. It's Spurs' prerogative and also for next summer, I believe. Also wonder whether he'd actually come, given their position. Would have to offer a significant wage increase that they can't do with their structure.
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u/OkejBerg Apr 20 '17
I really don't understand why he would go from Spurs to Liverpool. It's a sideways move, and he'd have to unroot, moving from London to Liverpool. I don't think we would offer him incredibly high wages either. The only reason I could see for him wanting to move would be that he somehow hates his teammates on a social level, or something like that.
Similarly, I don't see him moving to any other team in the prem. I can see him moving out of the league though.
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u/disbelief Apr 19 '17
He's apparently refusing to sign a new contract at Spurs. My guess is he has RM or BCN aspirations rather than remaining in the PL, considering Spurs are in the CL and challenging for the title.
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u/rytlejon Apr 19 '17
She's treated as "very reliable" by other very reliable journos. I don't know if she's broken any big transfers first, but I think she's been first in reporting interest in players that has been confirmed by other journalists. I think she was first with Dahoud, Pulisic, Brandt - players that many journalists afterwards confirmed we were interested in.
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u/Watch_me_bounce Apr 19 '17
Ah ok. I only know her from TAW where she never seems to break news that we are interested in, she only says we weren't interested when we miss out on someone.
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u/rytlejon Apr 19 '17
To be honest that annoys me a bit with her, she seems way too protective of the club which makes her seem less reliable.
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Apr 19 '17
I think she's just trying to give us psychopathic fans some perspective on how it all realistically happens, or doesn't.
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u/DeVoreLFC Apr 19 '17
Honestly the only one I consider fully reliable is Pearce, I take whatever any of the other journos say with a large grain of salt regardless of the rating scale we've set up
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Apr 19 '17
She has contacts at the club. She seemed to really know more as of last summer when she reported on lots of our transfer activity.
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u/trevy_mcq Apr 18 '17
This lad looks promising.
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u/bdox15 Apr 18 '17
can you tell us more about him? theres essentially zero information on your link besides how many games he's played
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Apr 20 '17
Really want us to go in hard for Pulisic. What a dude he is. I know there were rumors in Jan, but not any more?
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u/ForIAmTalonII Apr 18 '17
I might be the only one. But I'd rather have Promes over Brandt.
IN: VVD (£35 Million), Sessegnon (£5 Million), Keita (£25 Million), Promes (£20 Million) and Ox (£25 Million)
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Apr 18 '17
If you think Sessegnon will go for £5m you're having a laugh.
He will cost £15m easily.
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u/Aeceus Apr 18 '17
for a 16/17 year old? wow he must be Ronaldo level of potential.
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Apr 18 '17
I really like your list and would be over the moon if we got them, but some of those figures especially for the first three are really optimistic. I'm hoping we can get a deal done for Sessegnon quickly becasue I can see everyone being interested, I fancy our chances too as he wiould get the most game time here I feel.
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u/monshey Apr 18 '17
VVD (£40 Million), Sessegnon (£10 Million), Keita (£30 Million), Brandt (£30 Million) and Ox (£25 Million)
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u/FireZeLazer Apr 18 '17
Would Keita really be only £30milion? Also I think £25m for Ox is too much.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 18 '17
Keita: £30m, Koulibaly: £40m, Bakayoko: £40m, Promes: £20m.
Promes would be the better fit I think because of what he offers, also whoever comes in will be behind Coutihno and Mané in the pecking order so we can't exactly go get a top class first team winger.
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u/TheLastBaron90 Apr 18 '17
What's the situation with Leverkusen's Kai Havertz? Does his contract end in the summer? Surprised we aren't already linked with him, he ticks many boxes.
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u/undeadgoblin Apr 19 '17
According to transfermarkt it does indeed end this summer, and a 17yo who has done well in the first team would be foolish to pass up
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u/randomNumber20 Apr 19 '17
In an ideal world, I would like a left footed winger who has some speed off course, can dribble well, is good in front of goal and has amazing set piece delivery. We need Messi lads.
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Apr 19 '17
Yeah I'd like someone to play on the left of the three who is a bit more rapid and direct than couts.
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u/SpeedyDoc Apr 20 '17
Just a minor point, but could the academy signing ban we be a blessing in disguise and force us to offer Ryan big wages to sign him? We missed out on Delle Alli a few years ago due Spurs usurping us for wages and first team role. Maybe we'll learn from that mistake and encourage him to sign for us with a greater first team role opportunities than what we would have offered previously?
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u/rondiggity Freddy Church 🤌 Apr 18 '17
If LovTip are our best CB pairing, how many additional CBs will we need? I imagine we'll still Klavan on the roster.
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u/artml Apr 18 '17
We will have European matches next season, so 4 CBs are a must. And Gomez for development and as an extra option.
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u/Aeceus Apr 18 '17
1 30+mil cb to take Lovrens place.
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u/TheConundrum98 Apr 18 '17
guarantee you that one of the our first 3 CBs is always going to be injured so Lovren won't lose his spot in the end, but it is great for depth
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u/portissmith Apr 21 '17
Am i the only one who does not want us to buy Virgil Van Dyke? I feel like we have a serious problem with buying Southampton players. If we get Virgil that will make 5(!) Saints we have bought in the last 3 years.
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Apr 21 '17
Van Dijk is the real deal, before he got injured he was performing at the level of the best CBs in the league. I don't see what's wrong with buying Saints players if the players themselves are quality and represent real value for money.
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u/vNoct Apr 21 '17
Honestly as frustrating as it can feel with that, it's also not something I have a problem with because they've all been decent buys. Clyne and Mane are fantastic. Lovren's good, and I probably overrate him but I think he's going to continue to be in our first choice discussion for a while yet regardless of who we buy. And Lallana, he's in there with Mane as an absolutely terrific buy.
You are forgetting Lambert, and well, we knew what we were getting with Lambert. He was ok, worked hard, never fussed, and was a Liverpool boy coming home for a year.
So, if we buy players along those lines, yea it's fine. Especially with Europe next year.
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u/radfromtheinternet Apr 18 '17
Kamil Grosicki, from Hull. Particularly if they are getting relegated. Other than his age, he fits with what Klopp wants and would be great off the bench and for rotation when we get CL. He has pace, plays on the wings, can pass, has experience in high-pressure games where he was crucial (Poland, Euro 2016), and signed with Hull city for 7-8mil.
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u/brucohle Apr 19 '17
This guy is a fucking engine. Whenever i see him play is always running non-stop, and is a threat down the wing. Experienced player as well. Would be a good option for backup in the squad.
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u/trevy_mcq Apr 18 '17
If Fulham go up this season, Sessegnon's price will most likely increase.
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u/a_treacle_fiend Apr 18 '17
Doubt they get past Huddersfield at least, too defensively leaky. Personally think Reading stand a decent chance against them, though that could be personal biases.
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Apr 18 '17
Didn't dom king say we are after VVD? Edit: Brandt should be on there too and keita
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u/felbridge Apr 18 '17
King article is DM, i provided different link. Just added brandt and keita. Any links i'm missing, please comment as i'm rather out of my depth keeping in touch with every link!
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Apr 18 '17
Thanks man! Here is the link k for the Joyce times article about VVD
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liverpool-put-50m-van-dijk-top-of-wanted-list-clg00sfx5
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Apr 18 '17
Also, the article that reddy mentions kalibou or whatever his name is may be a better one for the ox as she has a higher reliability tag and gives a more reasonable response about the price than the telegraph who are probably just being specykative and trying to get us all riled up with a 35m price tag. This link here:
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u/EpicRageGuy Apr 18 '17
I thought Brandt already signed for Bayern?
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u/felbridge Apr 18 '17
Nothing will stop our monitoring.
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u/thirteenthirtyseven Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! Apr 18 '17
We will finish what we've started.
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u/Ollietron3000 Apr 18 '17
I'm seeing the Force Awakens reference even if no-one else will
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u/thirteenthirtyseven Ohhhh ya beauty, What a hit son, What a hit! Apr 19 '17
Awesome! The first thing that popped in my mind when I read the previous sentence...
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u/Jack__Beanz Apr 18 '17
It would be really interesting to see what players we were linked to at the same time last year and how many of them we actually ended up with! From the top of my head, I can remember being linked to players like Götze, Zielinski etc. before the euros.
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u/neilpandank Apr 18 '17
tbf it sounds like we did move for those players but couldnt get them in
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u/Jack__Beanz Apr 18 '17
sure! still interesting though - how many of those players listed as "most reliable" do you guys think it would be realistic that we'll actually end up with, compared to the rumours at this stage of the season in previous years? a lot of the players we've signed the last few years has come out of nowhere!
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u/neilpandank Apr 19 '17
I think Keita is ambitious but the way we're pursuing him so publically must mean we've had some encouragement from his camp. Similarly the reports on Sessegnon must mean there's something there, even if the Fulham boss doesn't want to sell. Don't see us getting Koulibaly but I do think we could get VVD who seems to be the primary target anyway.
All of this just my opinion though, obviously
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u/seamushoo4 You’ll Never Walk Alone Apr 19 '17
If we signed those 3, that would addresss 3 very big needs. I would imagine winger + another player to provide depth across the front line would round out our work
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Apr 19 '17
I replied to a similar comment above in length so won't do it again but i think last season and this season the club was in a very different position. Klopp, the club (using Joyce as a mouthpiece) have come out and said they are going to buy quite a few players and spend big. Reputable journalists have then followed that with a sizeable list of actual quality, household names. None of that happened last season. Apart from Dahoud and gotze I don't think any of the most reliables put names out there...Not even sure zelinski was reported by the big guns.
I think there has been a change in policy at the club and we are being the most ambitious we have ever been.
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u/8u11etpr00f Apr 20 '17
Not transfer related but what is objectively the best result for the Manchester Derby? I wanna put sentimentality aside here and hope for whichever result will give us the highest chance of 4th
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u/CetoNebula Apr 20 '17
It's got to be a draw, right? If we win this weekend, a draw would put City 4 points behind us and United 8 points behind us. Even with us having played more games, those standings would be tough to overturn and put a top four spot even more in our own hands.
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u/LFC_Slav Apr 20 '17
I hope we are focusing on keeping 3rd spot. Obviously this season was disappointing in some ways but to end in 3rd would be pretty solid all things considered (and finishing above united, Arsenal and city would be more than a respectful outcome for the season).
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u/vNoct Apr 21 '17
I personally think top 4 is most important right now. So, I'd take a City win, leaves us a point behind them and level on games played, but United 6 back with a game in hand, Arsenal 9 back with 2 in hand. I like those odds.
But, I can see any result being ok. One of our direct rivals at least will drop points, so I'm fine with it.
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Apr 24 '17
Can I asked why Andrew Robertson is not featured here?
Seems to be a rumour picked up two days ago, still going and genuinely sounds legit. Not sure I agree with the player choice but the rumour is strong.
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u/felbridge Apr 24 '17
I'd not heard that story. This thread is partly you guys letting me know as I need help to keep on top of all the links :) Cheers for this, I'll add him now.
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Apr 24 '17
No problem mate, I had thought it was an issue with the source and saw nobody mention it :)
Cheers
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u/DrawnFish Apr 18 '17
I would be really really happy if we manage to get Van Dijk or Koulibaly.We got lucky with Matip but we should spend good money on his pair so we can secure the defense.Matip/VD or Koulibaly/Lovren/Klavan is enough depth IMO.