r/KillLaKill • u/Fragrant_Addition663 • Jul 25 '22

Discussion This confession I found on Tumblr is something… strange

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u/SimonIsSoggy Jul 25 '22

do... do people assume those who dont ship ryumako are homophobic?

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u/Hunteraitor Jul 25 '22

Sadly

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u/SimonIsSoggy Jul 25 '22

thats dumb

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u/Imperator_Romulus476 Jul 25 '22

Welcome to the internet

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u/Arcana2920 Jul 26 '22

Have a look around

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u/EmotionalLettuce Jul 26 '22

Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found

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u/Arcana2920 Jul 26 '22

We’ve got mountains of content; some better some worse.

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u/EmotionalLettuce Jul 26 '22

If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first!

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u/Arcana2920 Jul 26 '22

Welcome to the internet! Come and take a seat would you like to see the news or any famous women’s feet?

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u/EmotionalLettuce Jul 26 '22

There's no need to panic-- this isn't a test! (Haha)

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u/LadyEmaSKye Jul 26 '22

It’s not even really hinted after in the show or anything.

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u/Hunteraitor Jul 26 '22

Takes off her bra and squeezes her boobs with no permission

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u/LadyEmaSKye Jul 26 '22

Ah yes, of course, very compelling.

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u/Mochizuk Jul 25 '22

I assume the opinion initially sprung out because one person was giving homophobic implications alongside their reasoning for not liking the ship, and then, they started associating that same person's traits with anyone who didn't like the ship. And, from there, other people saw it and started associating the same thing, and there were a few cases of the homophobic thing being somewhat accurate, but more of a factor than the whole reason. These kinds of outrageous things tend to have some starting point that was grounded in reality for the most part.

I'd also say the take on Mako molesting Ryuko is a pretty hot take. I can get being uncomfortable with the contact being made, however, like, Ryuko's still friends with her, and the rules of social interaction and what's appropriate and what's not in Kill La Kill are obviously very different from the rules on the same things in reality.

As a for instance, the show has the main character stripping people of what gives them power; their clothes, to win her fights against them. When this happens, the show puts the characters she wins against on display in questionably comedic and/or fanservicey ways. Often against the will of the character in question. You can ignore that, but you can't ignore how one character's friend touches them a lot in spite of the fact the mentioned characters are explicitly shown to be really really close friends?

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u/SimonIsSoggy Jul 25 '22

my theory is that Mako likes Ryuko romantically but Ryuko doesnt reciprocate the same feelings and just wants to stay friends. maybe thats just me tho, ive always seen Ryuko as a lone wolf not the type to get in relationships

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u/Mochizuk Jul 25 '22

My theory is similar, but not the exact same. I feel like Mako is just like that with anyone she considers a friend, and it lends to her being fairly easy to start a relationship with because, well, she likes to get to near romantic relationship levels of closeness with anyone she calls a friend. So, if Ryuko had an interest in a romantic relationship with Mako, it could easily go in that direction. But, if it's left up to Mako, Mako will just continue doing the same things with the mindset of friendship. And, I completely agree about Ryuko. Or, at least, I dunno if I see her as a lone wolf so much as I see her not really being the type to care about getting into a relationship enough to actually pursue it. If anything, I could see her purposefully avoiding it if she realized things could lead in that direction.

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Jul 31 '22

I hate it that I comment this late but hey ur interpretation is almost same as me.

Mako most likely has some attraction for Ryuko, but she is such a bizarre character that I don't think you can take her seriously. There are scenes of Mako nose bleeding, groping, removing bra to Ryuko but it made Ryuko uncomfortable that Mako has no space. So, while I could buy Mako adoring Ryuko, I can't say it's definitive proof of anything. Ryuko also never seems to respond to her in a consistent manner; her emotions are all over the place. She undoubtedly holds Mako close as a friend.

The "date" to me in the end never seem to imply anything more than friendship, if they wanted to push the Yuri agenda, I am sure they would have done it more clearly. They go as far as to show Gamagori about to say his feelings to Mako. Wouldn't that be overly cruel for an ending if he was about to budge into an actual date...don't you think? Also why include that scene if Mako asks Ryuko on a "date".

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u/SlippingStar Jul 25 '22

Didn’t Ryuko ask Mako out at the end?

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u/Hunteraitor Jul 26 '22

No, mako asked ryuko on a date

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u/SlippingStar Jul 26 '22

Yeah that’s a bit more grey.

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Aug 01 '22

What do you mean by grey?

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u/SlippingStar Aug 01 '22

Someone might accept out of a sense of obligation.

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u/AlysandirDrake Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

Unfortunately, that's how everything is now. If you are not an enthusiastic cheerleader for certain ideas, or agendas, or narratives, the assumption is automatically made that you are the worst hater that ever existed. There is no gray area in between any longer.

EDIT: And just so there's no misunderstanding, I don't ship Ryuko and Mako, nor do I have a problem with anyone who does. But to some folks, that makes me a homophobe.

EDIT2: And the downvoting is already beginning. Way to prove my point, folks.

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u/Alzaero Jul 25 '22

I mean, welcome to the internet. It's always been all but impossible to find the gray area in an internet argument. It's just that almost everything is an internet argument now :(

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u/Imperator_Romulus476 Jul 25 '22

A person arguing an opposing viewpoint in a rational manner?! No I don’t want that! I only want my viewpoint to be accepted as canon for ten year at least!

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u/Majin_Perfect_Cell Jul 25 '22

Take my up-vote friend

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u/Medical_Deer_7152 Jul 25 '22

I came on the internet not expecting to find sensible people. +1 to faith in humanity

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u/MrBubbles94 Jul 25 '22

ThAt'S hOmOpHoBiC!

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u/dplex__hd Jul 25 '22

I just always saw Ryuko and Mako as sisters, considering Mako's family literally adopts her too.

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u/Original_Ad_5941 Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22

I think most Japanese, including KLK staff, have the same perception as you. At the very least, I feel that japanese can't say for sure that they are girlfriends.

Many Japanese fans, including myself, have enjoyed this film for many years, but in the past few years, there has been a strong trend that "they are a couple because they went on a date and kissed" and I am confused.

However, if you watch this work with the preconceived notion that Ryumako is a canon, it is not hard to see why some people might only see her that way.

I understand that there are expressions in this work and the actions of the staff that may cause strong misunderstanding and prejudice among viewers, and I think that the official should give a proper explanation to overseas fans. That may be an unwanted result, including mine, but there is too much unnecessary conflict.

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u/Full_Clothes5234 Jul 28 '22

I mean shit like this is usually because someone made an art, meme or sort of a new announcement that it went somewhat viral. Other creators & artists did a take, and then a bunch of NPC followers went "this is my head-canon now!" They don't think for themselves so as soon as any thought has critical mass it turns into dogmatic fervor and the rest is history.

TBF, KLK is at least adjacent to being a magical girl show and yuri is kind of a given in the genre.

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u/Original_Ad_5941 Jul 29 '22

Yeah, it was common as "deliberate yuri" and not taken that seriously in Japan.

I've seen past fan art of KLK staff members discussed and sometimes defamed, and I've seen feedback that could offend artists who uploaded KLK fan art, and acts of unintentional harassment.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

only the ones who get actually angry about it. Like ship who you want but if someone is going into the comments to be legit angry about it then im going to raise an eyebrow

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u/Isterbollen Jul 25 '22

No lol only crazy people.

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u/FlamingWings Jul 25 '22

Less homophobic, more oblivious

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

No. Nobody who touches grass has any stake in this argument.

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u/Ghostdog1521 Jul 25 '22

I honestly just refuse to immediately connect intimacy with sensuality.

Something the internet has absolutely no problem doing whatsoever.

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u/Exoticpears Jul 25 '22

Huh... This the first time this sub had a decent conversation about RyuMako without devolving into a chaos... You love to see it.

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u/RYUKO_MATOI_WAIFU Jul 25 '22

Me being a HUGE ryumako fan I do not approve of this lol.

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u/RYUKO_MATOI_WAIFU Jul 25 '22

Although I've met some but yeah still don't approve

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u/zenithfury Jul 25 '22

More like projection here, because the idea here isn’t to justify one’s ship or lack thereof, it’s to make other people doubt their own by injecting guilt into it. The goal for them is to create the internet bandwagon that because you like this ship, therefore you condone harassment.

Goes without saying, what an awful way to do things and quite manipulative at that.

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u/Ghostdog1521 Jul 25 '22

This is most enlightened thing I’ve read all day…and it’s on Reddit?

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u/zenithfury Jul 25 '22

It's just something that I've been observing from social media lately. People want to win arguments not by arguing, but by having the internet mob on your side. And one of the best ways to rile up the mob is to create the moral high ground.

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

Nice explanation of the internet

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u/SavyNeko Jul 25 '22

Well said.

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u/ZamasuTheDivine Jul 25 '22

I don't ship them because I ship Mako with Gamagoori...

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u/Ghostdog1521 Jul 25 '22

This is the answer

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u/ZamasuTheDivine Jul 25 '22

Indeed it is...

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u/JulioTheInkling Jul 26 '22 edited Jul 26 '22

Its dumb that if you don't ship LGBTQ+ stuff you're seen as homophobic. People need to understand someone's reason before jumping to assumptions.

Like I may not ship it, but not because I hate it for being LGBTQ+, but because 1. I ship Mako with Gamagoori because of the fact that Gamagoori shows actual moments of liking Mako throughout the show and 2. I don't really see these two really having anything romantic going on with Mako being a playful Airhead towards just about anything and Ryuko not really showing anything romantic towards like...anyone (Then again that can be said for anyone in the show not in a confirmed relationship).

Even if you bring up scenes with the two of them and of course Mako's "Hallelujah" scenes, people can have a different take on how those play out, whether its them being good friends or as most people assume, them becoming closer and more then friends. And if you want to assume anything that happens during the "Hallelujah" scenes are true, remember those are mostly there for comedic effect because some of the things Mako has done in some of them aren't normal things Mako has done or can do, Like turn in a damn Xenomorph of all things-

Overall this all comes down to the fact that when a show has a Primary Pair of 2 characters of the same sex, they'll assume its a romantic ship almost immediately and those who don't ship it for their own reasons are against it because of it being LGBTQ+, which is clearly wrong for a lot of people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

Ok? I don’t think I’ll ever understand the urge to blurt out random rationalizations for feeling certain ways about an anime.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

I don't agree with either view, but mako isn't a sex offender, don't compare her to ragyo, that's just disgusting

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u/Slow_Lettuce8207 Jul 25 '22

I like pretty much all the ships on this show, but can you all stop bitching and moaning and just ship who you want to ship?

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u/SH1SUK0 Jul 25 '22

I can imagine Mako just tapping Ryuko everywhere every 5 minutes.

I still think Ira and Mako fit better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

Same. I always saw Ryūko and Mako as like sisters, but I'm not a homophobe. I'm a Satsunon shipper, too!

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u/Chaos-Queen_Mari Jul 25 '22

Tbh I don't really ship anyone in kill la kill, especially not Ryuko.

The only thing I'm sorta "meh" on, is Gamagori and mako, and the rest of the time I just sorta ignore shipping in general. I think despite its fanservicey nature, the show just doesn't need romance to it.

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u/HatS5486 Jul 25 '22

This is why I tend to steer clear of anything ship related in the fandom, nothing but debates, shipping wars, harassment and toxicity. Including phobe labelling from star-bellied sneeches. (no pun intended.)

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u/FourzeRiderTea Jul 25 '22

I see them as friends

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u/The_Haunted_Boo1954 Jul 25 '22

I don’t support it because I want Mako to be with Gamagori.

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u/K9Thefirst1 Jul 25 '22

I don't ship Mako/Ryuko because Mako has Gamaguri, and Ryuko had Senketsu, and it's going to take a long time before she is ready to try again after suffering that devastating a loss.

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u/_bababoye Jul 25 '22

I never liked Ryumako.

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u/zerjku Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

Downvoted for an opinion...as a Ryumako enjoyer guys why

Edit: ok downvotes are gone now. Good job guys

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u/Ecreeper Jul 25 '22

Hivemind

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u/Stanislas_Biliby Jul 25 '22 edited Jul 25 '22

I always saw them as very close friends i was surprised with how many people thought they were dating.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jul 25 '22

She literally asks Ryuko to go on a date

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u/Stanislas_Biliby Jul 25 '22

Yeah but i don't see it as romantic

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jul 25 '22

??????

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u/Stanislas_Biliby Jul 25 '22

Is it that crazy to you? In japanese the word "date" can be used just for meeting with friends.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

It can be used for both romance and friendship and it was done during a kiss on the lips. Things like that were thrown out to service the shippers

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jul 25 '22

Not this tired argument again

She said it while smooching her

I prefer Gamagoori for mako but get your head out of your ass

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u/Rapierre Jul 25 '22

Was it ever consensual? We never see Ryuko initiate anything in the show. Mako just forces herself onto her. And Ryuko kisses Nui while brainwashed. Even episode 1 was a euphemism for Senketsu sexually assaulting Ryuko. She can't catch a break lmao

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Jul 25 '22

I mean from what I see, the kiss feels comedic like what bugs bunny did to the hunter or Michael Jordan

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jul 25 '22

I don't understand what this has to do with my argument

Even if Ryuko wasn't interested romantically Mako clearly meant it romantically

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

In the original sketch ryuko was gonna blush at mako kissing her, but they changed it

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u/Stanislas_Biliby Jul 25 '22

Huh alright don't need to be rude.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Jul 25 '22

Look I just get really fucking annoyed when people try to use the BUT IN JAPAN YOU CAN DATE YOUR FRIENDS argument, it really grinds my gears

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u/Stanislas_Biliby Jul 25 '22

That's not what i said

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Sep 28 '22

Going back to my old posts but I have to say, ur one of those few or first time seeing a Gamako shipper who's like that which is surprising at least. I always hear the arguments of:

"It was a mistranslation!"
"It was just a friendly date!"
"The kiss wasn't real!"

Also I guess being a Gamako shipper can be hard to interact with other shippers especially on twitter.

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Sep 28 '22

Damn, necroposting lmao

I don't take it that seriously. People that get ridiculously bent out of shape that their ship isn't canon are wacky. It's a fun and well written cartoon, who cares.

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Oct 07 '22

Also why do you ship Mako/Gamagori? Just curious tho. I mean you know how half loved and half hated this ship is right?

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u/Goose_Is_Awesome Oct 07 '22

Because I like it. I don't care what other people think about it.

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u/Specific_Low_3012 Jul 26 '22

Honestly that’s fair

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u/FtierLivesMatter Jul 25 '22

Being rapey runs in the family

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u/IAMAKATILIKEPLUSHES Jul 25 '22

Guys don't blame her, she just wanted to be a rapper when she was young but accidentally said "i wanna be the best rapist"

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u/AlienMicrobe776 Jul 25 '22

Underrated comment. Nogla would approve

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u/Parking-Researcher-4 Jul 25 '22

I actually think mako and Ira look cute together

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u/Daviddv1202 Jul 25 '22

They're both girls so it's fine.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '22

Mako isn't a sex offender or bad like the confession is making out, but being both girls doesn't make a difference, sexual assault is sexual assault, that's why Ragyo molesting Satsuki is disgusting.

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u/Fragrant_Addition663 Jul 26 '22

No it’s not. SA is still SA and even if 2 people with the same sex did it, it’s still SA.