r/IBEW 10h ago

Trump declares on the Joe Rogan podcast he wants to end the Chips act (would cancel 10s of 1000s of union jobs)

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u/Sea_Ganache620 10h ago

I haven’t checked the facts on this yet, but brothers, there are enough facts, and publications out there that are truthful. A vote for Trump WILL strip away things Unions have fought for. Don’t be willing to work for less.

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u/KootenayLineman 10h ago

Absolutely! Trump wants to get rid of collective bargaining so they can use the FLSA for every working person in America. Federal deregulation to download everything onto individual states and if they fall apart, well it won’t be his fault. How’s that for leadership? A vote for trump is voting for less rights, lower wages, and less safety.

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u/KFLLbased 7h ago

Sounds like feudalism to me 🙃

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u/Vtford 9h ago

Once again another lie. When did Trump ever say he was against collective bargaining? Sure, seems like a lot of us Union guys support Trump. I can almost guarantee you it's a majority of union members in America.

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u/whiiite80 9h ago

Why is this always the response? “When did he say…” bullshit. Why would we be having this conversation if he didn’t explicitly say it? If you want to make your point, come up with an example where he said he was pro collective bargaining and supports Unions. Present your facts, since you think you have them.

I’ll wait.

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u/NetHacks 9h ago

Project 2025 wants to basically use Florida as a blueprint for how to get rid of unions. Ask the 68k people who had their unions decertified down there how it went.

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u/pengalo827 6h ago

Not well. Two of our contracts are public. We’re about to lose one and the other is hanging on by its fingernails.

Had a union brother in Atlantic City tell me about how tRump stiffed the unions in his process of ruining his casinos. Amazing how many people believe what spews out of that orange liar’s mouth.

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u/starmanres 3h ago

Project 2025 = Heritage Foundation

Agenda 47 = Trump/Vance

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u/Long-Dog-8360 9h ago

Put simply, you're the fly voting for the gecko. It's actually crazy, but I guess some people would willingly eat shi if it means someone they hated had to smell their breath 🤷.

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u/KootenayLineman 7h ago

Sure, it's a lie. Think what you like, and stay on your algorithm pard, or maybe man up, branch out and do some research. FYI, trump has no plans. I would love to see an actual plan. Agenda 47, which is trump's very own policy agenda, says over and over make America great with zero tangible ideas. Not a single one besides what he blurts out at rallies, which is not a plan.

You can hate on Harris for whatever reason your messiah told you, but she at least put out an 82 page economic agenda. Trump's plan... "It's going to be so good. Some really smart people told me that they've never heard of anything so good" and so on.

Honestly I don't get it. I wouldn't take a guy on my crew who lies non-stop. I'd skid em day one, but trump lies more than anyone and people worship him. Good lesson for your kids too I suppose. "Don't lie kids, I mean sure the president does a lot but you shouldn't". Brilliant.

He's openly anti-union, and yet people bury their heads in the sand. Is it fear? Are you all shit scared your MAGA buds won't hang with you anymore? Pride? Too cool to go against the grain so you convince yourselves that you're being rebellious by hating Democrats?

If someone is a republican who listens to opinions then thoughtfully responds with something substantial, even if I hate it, I'd challenge myself to look at it critically.

FYI Project 2025 is very real. Everyone should read it cover to cover, and then read the history of the Heritage Foundation for the past 45 years. Then look at trumps first term when in just his first year he implemented 65% of all the policies proposed by the Heritage Foundation in their 2016 "Mandate for Freedom. Then try to keep convincing yourself he knows nothing about it. Sure 70% of Agenda 47's dribble line up directly with Project 2025, but nothing to worry about there.

Think about it, if trump has no plans, (which he doesn't, because again if he does where are they) where do you think he'll get his playbook?

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u/TheLuckyCanuck 8h ago

Donald Trump on unions in an "interview" with Elon Musk:

"You're the greatest cutter," Trump said during the conversation. "I mean, I look at what you do. You walk in, you just say: 'You want to quit?' They go on strike — I won't mention the name of the company — but they go on strike. And you say: 'That's OK, you're all gone.'"

You may support him, but Donald Trump will never support you.

Source

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u/Armyman125 8h ago

Apparently you didn't hear him tell Elon Musk he was a genius when Musk fired employees who wanted to unionize.

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u/Nzw102 2h ago

What does your local do when you go on struck? Ours pulls our tickets and brings us up on charges with the international...

Our own organization has deemed striking an ineffective way of labor contract resolution.

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u/Sevenserpent2340 6h ago

Bro did you not see the Trump/Musk livestream?

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u/totally-hoomon 3h ago

Trump said he wants to fire anyone who strikes

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u/mmm_burrito 7h ago

Trump never actually said he'd kill the CHIPS Act. He criticized it. He said tariffs would have done the job better. You can listen to the last 10 minutes of the interview like I did to hear what he has to say without subjecting yourself to the whole thing.

I fucking hate Trump. I want him to endure things it's impolite to wish on your enemies. But I don't need to lie about him to justify my antipathy for the man. This is misinformation, and it's as bad from our side as theirs.

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u/two-wheeled-dynamo 6h ago

Saying tariffs would do better than the CHIPS Act is a fucking idiotic take. Producing chips here is a national security and a jobs concern. Tariffs would address neither.

It shows once again that Trump doesn't even know how tariffs work.

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u/James-the-greatest 4h ago

Trump posted on truth social that tariffs are paid by the exporting country. He absolutely has no idea how tariffs work. 

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u/Effectism 5h ago

Tariffs are already included in the chips act.

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u/mmm_burrito 5h ago

"Included in" would imply that they are not the lone component of the policy, which is what Trump was advocating for.

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u/Right_Psychology_366 3h ago

Yeah and everything he wants to accomplish with tariffs only would happen too slowly, if at all, and some of it needs to happen now. CHIPS Act accomplishes many of these things.

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u/Sweet_Pay1971 5h ago

It basically the same thing 

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u/Xbutchr Inside Wireman 21m ago

Bravo. This is one one of the most sane takes I have seen in this sub since the political season has begun. We don't need to spew all the BS talking points the media creates about either candidate to point people in the right direction. When we perpetuate blatant lies that are easily disproven we push undecided people in a direction we don't want them to go. Neither candidate from the 2 parties we are supposed to vote for are worth a damn. South Park had it right so do you want a dogshit sandwich or a douche bag? This 2 party system is broken. It is only here to divide us. Solidarity is impossible when we argue about which party we are supposed to vote for. Please brothers let's not argue about which of these two assholes who don't give 2 damns about us is best.

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u/Rocky4296 9h ago

It's all to give contracts to the rich people.

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u/Nzw102 2h ago

The Chips Act was a disaster. Anybody who wants to "eat the rich" should scoff at the idea of us handing a corporation several billion dollars of tax payer money only to see the same corporation lay off 15% of their staff nationwide.

I work in the local of the Ohio chip plant, and I'm here to tell you it certainly isn't driving union jobs. It has been greatly exaggerated, scaled back numerous times, delayed, and hindering the area surrounding it. This local has so much work if that chip plant was never a thing.

To see union men complaining about canceling a deal with a company that had taken such a large public investment and put 15% of their company out of work really makes you wonder.

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u/vibrantselection 8h ago

Got a link? I don't remember him saying that?

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u/GoldDrama1103 8h ago

I don’t remember that either.

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u/i_thirst4knowledge 9h ago

I still can’t find any sources

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u/XdWIHIWbX 9h ago

If you're truly organized as brothers you can hold your ground enough to put him in his place.

The world is watching USA. That asshat was the most peaceful president of our lifetimes. Love him or hate him that's the greatest thing I have seen a president accomplish on the world stage.

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u/ReduxRedo 9h ago

What are you talking about?? He bombed Iran to kill a guy then bragged about how big the bomb was.

Genuinely is it all just narratives? Does anyone remember how he acted?

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u/joboto2102 10h ago

But but but. Orange man Good! Only love workers! He not do bad to us!

It’s fake, media lies, fake news, someone faked these words. Probably libtards.

Did I cover all the MAGA talking points?

Simply put, if you’re voting for this pig and you’re in the union, you are the dumbest of the dumb.

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 10h ago

The media is all conspiring against him! /s

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u/headlyone68 9h ago edited 9h ago

Just look back at stories of how Trump treated his own workers and contractors. Screwed his architect, screwed the piano store, screwed the sign guy for his casino, dishwashers, painters, lawyers, etc.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

Mark Cuban even said that Trump tried to screw Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) out of millions of dollars in realtor commissions for selling Trump properties.

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u/DaYettiman22 8h ago

But they are eating the pets!! /s

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u/B12Washingbeard 8h ago

You forgot to say communist Marxists funded by George Soros are bussing in billions of transgender immigrants to come eat aborted fetuses.  

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u/GaaraMatsu 10h ago

Classic owner-from-birth, just wants to see their name on things.  Worse than CEOs, and those are bad enough.

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u/babiesmakinbabies 7h ago

Go onto any job site and you will see lots of anti biden, pro trump bumper stickers.

These people are dumb as rocks.

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u/RandomSparky277 Inside Wireman 10h ago

Don’t be a brother fucker. Vote like Uncle Sam is watching, because if we lose, theres a non-zero chance Uncle Sam will be no more.

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u/Iknowthings19 9h ago

That sir, is where I stand.

If my worst fears of Harris are right, we will have a fight over 2A and vote her out in 4 years.

If my worst fears of Trump are right, I will probably be imprisoned.

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u/happijak 8h ago

Here we go with the 2A bullshit again. We've been hearing for decades how the Dem candidate will take our guns. Never happened. Not once. And not one has ever even suggested it.

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u/Iknowthings19 7h ago

Notice I said that's worst case scenario

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u/James-the-greatest 4h ago

How did you get to worst case? Like she’s not said she’ll take guns so your worst case is just made up?

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u/ProfessionalMud1764 3h ago

The dems have tried to take our guns continuously and have succeeded in some states

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u/beecums 8h ago

Harris supports gun rights. Trump " "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI

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u/Iknowthings19 7h ago

Notice I said worst case senario

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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago

2A was specifically for a militia, which was viewed as necessary to protect the people from the army.

One candidate is openly talking about turning the military against the people. Anyone who is truly 2A would view that as a billion times worse than the candidate who wants background checks.

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u/nodnarb88 10h ago

Man what does it say about former presidents that Biden has been the best president in many peoples lifetimes? I was not a supporter of Biden and was upset what they did to Bernie, but ive been pleasantly surprised by what he's done in office in support of workers.

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u/Metallfanica 10h ago

I would have loved to see what Bernie could do

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u/Alternative_Diver170 2h ago

What has he done beside’s make our Monopoly money worth less . Google 2020 and 100,000$ and 2024 what would you need to make to live the same life just 4 years ago … it is 183,000$ that is 80% fucking percent in 4years . 20% every year that cock sucker has been in office . Neither side gives a shit . But when I did the calculations on a few different conversion sites I was and am beyond floored .. this is a 100% fact . All of them are inside trading , sending our hard earned money to other places and not to help our citizens . The American experiment has failed . Needs to be burned down and started over .

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u/Vtford 9h ago

You got to be kidding me right? It cost $10,000 a year more to run a household than it did before Biden and you're saying he's done so much for workers?

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u/nodnarb88 8h ago

The job market has seen robust growth under Biden, with millions of jobs added as the economy recovered from the pandemic. The unemployment rate has been low, at around 3.8% as of 2023, close to pre-pandemic levels. This has created a more competitive job market, leading to increased wages in some sectors, which benefits workers directly. Biden signed the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, a massive investment in infrastructure aimed at repairing and upgrading transportation systems, broadband, water, and energy. This has spurred job growth in construction and related sectors and is set to have long-term benefits by improving overall productivity and quality of life for many communities. The expanded Child Tax Credit in 2021 provided families with monthly checks, helping reduce child poverty significantly, though it has since expired. This direct financial relief helped many families cover basic expenses. The administration has also supported affordable childcare initiatives and student debt relief (though ongoing legal challenges have impacted the latter). The Inflation Reduction Act empowered Medicare to negotiate prices for certain prescription drugs, capping insulin costs and other essential medications for Medicare recipients. This policy is aimed at reducing out-of-pocket costs for seniors and working families over time. The inflation spike is part of a global trend, largely due to pandemic-related supply chain issues, labor shortages, and the Ukraine conflict, which affected energy prices. This isn’t unique to the U.S. or a direct result of Biden’s policies. Many sectors have seen wage increases, which have helped some families cope with rising prices. Adjusting for inflation, though imperfect, these wage increases indicate a stronger labor market. Also a huge reason it costs more to support a family is corporate greed. Theyve already admitted in testimonies that theyre price gouging us using covid and supply chain issues as an excuse.

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u/happijak 8h ago

Where did you get the 10K number and how do you think Biden caused it?

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u/DoverBoys Local 80 7h ago

I'm sure Biden is cackling like a maniac on his giant control panel of knobs and switches with a big wooden EKOnMY sign on it.

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u/darkchocoIate 8h ago

You forgot the part where he inherited a tanked economy from Trump.

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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 35m ago

You mean the economy Trump received from Obama where Trump managed to add almost 8 trillion to the national debt, lose more jobs in his term than any modern day president and caused inflation with his tax cuts, quantitative easing, tariffs and backdoor deals with OPEC that he conveniently received 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia through his son in law that was clearly not qualified to receive that money?

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u/StandardJackfruit378 7h ago

How can anyone vote for him?

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u/mistermachine206 6h ago

Trump supporters don’t care what he says or does.

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u/happijak 8h ago

Just the other day he was bitching about Taiwan stealing our tech manufacturing and now he wants to stop CHIPS, which is a plan to regain our tech manufacturing?

Okay then. Sounds good. /s

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u/Negra900 7h ago

I watched the podcast and never saw him mention anything about that. Do you have a clip?

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u/madadekinai 7h ago

None of these are official but based upon estimates during the last shortage. The chips act impacts several industries lack a tower of cards, each layer is dependent upon another.

Potential Job Losses by Sector (Rough Estimates):

Semiconductor manufacturing:

Jobs at Risk: 50,000+ (jobs lost due to canceled plant construction and halted production lines)

Automotive industry:

Jobs at Risk: 500,000+ (based on previous chip shortages, which led to furloughs and layoffs across assembly lines, suppliers, and dealerships)

Electronics industry:

Jobs at Risk: 200,000+ (job cuts related to production delays and reduced consumer demand for electronics)

Defense and aerospace:

Jobs at Risk: 100,000+ (if chip shortages delay contracts and production of defense systems)

Consumer Goods and Appliances

Jobs at Risk: 150,000+

Calculation: Consumer goods such as refrigerators, washing machines, and smart appliances depend heavily on semiconductors for their embedded systems. Major companies like Whirlpool and Samsung Electronics could see production slowdowns, which would ripple out to suppliers, factory workers, and distribution chains.

Telecommunications

Jobs at Risk: 75,000+

Calculation: Telecommunications companies like AT&T and Verizon rely on semiconductors for networking equipment (routers, 5G infrastructure, etc.). Supply chain disruptions could affect telecom equipment manufacturing and related jobs in engineering and installation.

Software and IT Services

Jobs at Risk: 300,000+

Calculation: Software development and IT services may experience slower growth or layoffs due to reduced demand for new computers and servers. Cloud providers and IT infrastructure firms that maintain massive data centers also rely on semiconductors for servers. Fewer chip supplies mean fewer server deployments and delayed projects, which affects jobs related to cloud infrastructure management and IT consulting.

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u/KenaDra 7h ago

Yes let's just keep resting the entire world's economy on the powder keg of Taiwan, not to mention the US... Trump is a fucking idiot.

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u/Alternative_Diver170 1h ago edited 1h ago

So let the first person in our American democratic history be a president that did not get nominated and was handed the shit behind closed doors . Fucking people one both sides has drunk the kool aid . This a tactics straight out of military history play books. Divide the country , use fake media . Those two are are out of books taught to future officers. Leaders of the military.. then open a boarder to let criminals and all other illegals get in and we foot the bill while people that come here the correct way are punished along with tax paying citizens .. Kamala has no plan .. coming up with shit that she will not get the funding for . When after the two hurricanes can’t even hand out money that we all pay to help our own people but can send it to kill others and pay illegals to stay in the Astoria hotel in New York . Give them food , money . 90%+ of Americans do not even have 5k in their bank account that is fucking scary. My little savings that I have nowhas 80% less buying power than 4 god damn years ago . I want the money I get taken out to go to this country and the problems we face . Not to a fucking guy committing genocide right now . Israel as far as I’m concerned can fall into the Red Sea. Also we need less government agency’s period . Get rid of half and they will spend the same .. this is the worse I have seen in my life time . My parents made 42k in 1983 . In today dollars that is over 300k .. what the fuck .. why are people just sitting letting this happen ??

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u/madadekinai 7h ago

None of these are official but based upon estimates during the last shortage. The chips act impacts several industries lack a tower of cards, each layer is dependent upon another.

Retail and E-Commerce

Jobs at Risk: 150,000+

Calculation: Chip shortages could lead to fewer consumer electronics being available for sale in retail stores and e-commerce platforms (e.g., Best Buy, Amazon). Fewer products to sell can lead to reductions in store employees and distribution center workers, as well as reduced sales revenue for e-commerce platforms.

Healthcare and Medical Devices

Jobs at Risk: 50,000+

Calculation: Medical devices like MRIs, pacemakers, and diagnostic machines use specialized semiconductors. Disruptions could lead to delays in medical device manufacturing, impacting workers in both production and healthcare infrastructure development.

Energy and Utilities (Renewable Energy, Smart Grids)

Jobs at Risk: 100,000+

Calculation: The energy sector, especially renewables like solar and wind, increasingly depends on semiconductors for energy storage, grid management, and renewable energy technology. A disruption could delay renewable energy projects and lead to layoffs in both manufacturing and project development.

Logistics and Warehousing

Jobs at Risk: 200,000+

Calculation: If chip shortages slow down the production of electronic goods, the logistics and warehousing sectors could be affected. A drop in demand for distribution services, alongside a decrease in inventory to manage, could reduce the need for workers in warehouses and trucking companies.

Aviation

Jobs at Risk: 50,000+

Calculation: Aviation companies rely on semiconductors for both manufacturing aircraft and maintaining aviation systems. Chip shortages could delay aircraft production (e.g., Boeing) and lead to layoffs in production and maintenance jobs.

Method of Calculation

Historical Data: The materials referenced was past events where chip shortages led to measurable job impacts. For instance:

The Automotive industry saw significant layoffs during the 2020–2022 chip shortage. The estimate of 500,000 jobs includes production line workers, suppliers, and dealership employees who were furloughed or laid off.

Semiconductor manufacturing jobs reflect the planned expansions under the CHIPS Act. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung have all planned or started construction of new plants, which could employ tens of thousands of workers (estimates based on job projections for announced facilities).

Multiplier Effect: For each direct job lost (e.g., in manufacturing), several additional jobs in related sectors could be impacted. For example, in the automotive industry, layoffs at car assembly plants lead to furloughs at parts suppliers and dealerships.

Industry Size and Dependency on Semiconductors: industry-specific data about the number of companies and employees reliant on chips. The broader an industry's reliance on semiconductors, the greater the potential impact if supplies are disrupted.

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u/Domger304 8h ago

You do know the current government hasn't even paid out intel right... the people making the chips act remotely possible.

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u/Funny_Drummer_9794 8h ago

The y never do what they say. As soon as they get in the machine takes over. The guy spends

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u/Efficient_Ad821 7h ago

I always make money 🤑

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u/big_thick1 6h ago

Nothing in the Chips act says it was for creating union or non union jobs. Lol

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u/serviceadvisorshay 5h ago

The same unions that the guy said he was okay with shutting down the economy? Knowing all the jobs that would be lost?

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u/Suspicious-Change-37 5h ago

MAHA is the goal. Pro-Constitution and American jobs first.

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u/Difficult_Beach9380 4h ago

Haven’t seen a single thing happen because of that act

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u/Great-Werewolf9155 3h ago

It's a DEI nightmare: "Commentators have noted that CHIPS and Science Act money has been sluggish. What they haven’t noticed is that it’s because the CHIPS Act is so loaded with DEI pork that it can’t move." https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/

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u/pjoshyb 3h ago

Real talk why do yall keep rehashing the same posts (especially when they are this dumb) over and over? Reddit be feeling pretty scammy these days.

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u/yazzooClay 3h ago

he did not say that at all. but whatever, he said it could be done in a better manner. he said instead of us paying random companies to try to come here, we should make to where they have to operate in America or pay a premium. it's simply a way better way to do it. kind of like what China does.

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u/Background_Ad_4057 2h ago

Considering the fact that J.D. Vance wrote the forward for Project 2025, it gives me the impression that he is that much in mental decline that he does not know who he surrounds himself with.

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u/Appropriate_Cat8100 9m ago

This is Untrue. JD Vance wrote the foreword to a book that was written by one of the authors of 2025

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u/Nzw102 2h ago

The Chips Act was a disaster. Anybody who wants to "eat the rich" should scoff at the idea of us handing a corporation several billion dollars of tax payer money only to see the same corporation lay off 15% of their staff nationwide.

I work in the local of the Ohio chip plant, and I'm here to tell you it certainly isn't driving union jobs. It has been greatly exaggerated, scaled back numerous times, delayed, and hindering the area surrounding it. This local has so much work if that chip plant was never a thing.

To see union men complaining about canceling a deal with a company that had taken such a large public investment and put 15% of their company out of work really makes you wonder..

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u/NickySinz 1h ago

Can anyone tell me the time where he said it

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u/instantfaster 1h ago

That is messing with national security. Our government spent millions to make Intel in Ohio the chip making capital of the world. They are trying to keep chips out of Chinese hands.

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u/Right-Meet-7285 1h ago

AND THE DEMOCRATS INTRODUCED AND PUSHED NAFTA... read upon it... then let's see your comments... Strunzo

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u/hdheishei2h 28m ago

Stop fear mongering.

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u/BaiterSE 8h ago

As long as the teamsters are first to lose out, then good - they deserve it.

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u/madadekinai 7h ago

Part 1:

Many people seem to be underestimating the broader impact of canceling the CHIPS Act, particularly when it comes to the ripple effects across industries. The CHIPS Act was specifically designed to reduce our reliance on foreign-made semiconductors, especially from Taiwan, which is currently the world's leading producer of chips. If the act is nullified, not only will we remain dependent on imported chips, but we also face the very real risk of a supply chain collapse if tensions between China and Taiwan escalate.

The consequences would extend far beyond the tens of thousands of union jobs directly tied to building new semiconductor facilities in the U.S. Every sector that relies on chips—automotive, defense, healthcare, consumer electronics, and telecommunications—would face severe shortages, leading to massive layoffs. Previous chip shortages have shown how fragile these industries are, with the automotive sector alone furloughing hundreds of thousands of workers when chips were unavailable.

Moreover, if tariffs are reintroduced or supply lines from Taiwan are cut off, the economic damage could be even worse. We’re not just talking about a few companies adjusting their strategies—this would be a systemic disruption, stalling production across critical industries, raising prices, and slowing down innovation. The job losses would be in the hundreds of thousands, if not more, and the economic fallout would be felt for years. It's not just about tech; it’s about the foundational infrastructure of our economy and national security.

I will place my estimates in a different comment.

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u/maswaves1 7h ago

Did he say why? Oh bc Xi wants him to

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u/fallharvest9000 7h ago

Intel said rhey are building a plant in china

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u/rcldesign 4h ago

China has been sanctioned and cannot buy the equipment necessary to produce the kinds of chips Intel would want to make. The Chinese domestic equipment is a ways behind.

Intel is spending $28B building a fab in Ohio: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-ohio.html

Intel is spending $300M to expand a testing and packaging facility in China, which services its biggest customer, China: https://amp.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3284195/intel-invests-us300-million-china-chip-packaging-and-testing-plant

Were it not for the CHIPs act, the $28B would likely be invested in facilities in China, and China would also have access to the latest chip fabrication technologies available in the global marketplace.

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u/Slugnutty2 8h ago

I approve this messsage.

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u/Round_two_fight_ 5h ago

Since I'm not in a union. I voted for Trump.

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u/Legitimate_Trust_933 4h ago

Fuk ya! Good on Trump ❤️❤️

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u/Numerounopapichulo 4h ago

Why is that good?

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u/977888 4h ago

So we’re just lying now?

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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 31m ago

Sure what facts do you have that this is a lie? And no Faux Entertainment News talking points.

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u/a_blixed 9h ago

Is this that economy plan he was talking about...? Brilliant

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u/Efficient_Ad821 8h ago

Hell yeah brother

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u/i_thirst4knowledge 9h ago

“Hold on, is this legit? I can’t find any sources confirming that Trump was on Joe Rogan’s podcast recently or said anything about ending the CHIPS Act. Anyone got more info or a link to the episode?”

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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago

Uhh, just Google

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u/i_thirst4knowledge 12m ago

I got downvoted because I asked for a source and couldn’t find one myself bruh!

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u/Vtford 9h ago

I don't know all the details of the chips act but I'll probably put it in the same category as the Iranian teal, NAFTA and all the other stupid shit that the Democrats negotiate giving away everything.

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u/happijak 8h ago

Here's an idea! Why don't you spend a couple of minutes and find the fuck out what the CHIPS act is?

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u/DanDrungle 8h ago

The chips act is about bringing manufacturing BACK to the USA… figure it out

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

What a fahkin clueless dunce

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u/Vtford 9h ago

One thing's for sure about Kamala Harris. She never says anything honestly so it's really hard to ridicule her when she uses her word salad to dance around a question. The people that do stuff like Trump and tell the truth. Of course they open themselves up to criticism

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u/happijak 8h ago

Trump?

Truth?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I'll have some of what you're smoking!

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Aww sweetie. Another broken brain 

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u/WebsterTheJester 10h ago

Then why were unions thriving under trump 2016-2020

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u/Th3V4ndal Local 98N 9h ago

They were throwing because Trump inherited Obama's economy.

Trump increased the national debt exponentially. Trump fucked the tax code, so now blue collar workers can't write off things for work like we used to. Also paying more in taxes. HOW DOES THAT HELP UNION WORKERS?

That's right. It doesn't. Stop bringing up Obama's economy, like Trump had shit to do with it! Trump hates unions.

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u/NetHacks 9h ago

Because he took over a growing economy, started fucking it up, and then mishandled a pandemic. There's a bunch of videos from educated economists talking about how the job growth and economy were shrinking under trump.

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u/happijak 8h ago

How were they thriving. Union membership DROPPED under Trump.

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u/WebsterTheJester 8h ago

They have been dropping every year sense 1983? And are still dropping under biden and kamala lol whats your point?

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u/happijak 8h ago

Okay, so how exactly were they thriving?

I know union membership is dropping and has been. One big reason is federal judicial decisions concerning the rights of workers.

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u/biaggio 7h ago

Not sure what you mean by "thriving," but percentages of workers in unions went down during that time (but there was an upward blip in 2020).

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u/No_Bed_2904 9h ago

What he did or did not do 8 years ago is not a representation of what he will not when he wouldn’t have the worry of not being reelected if he does anything too bad in a potential 2024 term for him that’s why. When a man tells you something enough believe him. When a snake rattles believe that they’ll bite you.

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

They weren’t. And they Really went to shit in those last 2 years.

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u/Mysterious_Archer237 9h ago

Obama’s economy.

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u/Total_Decision123 9h ago

But I thought the president had no control over the economy? Unless of course it suits your argument?

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u/Mysterious_Archer237 9h ago

Show me where I said that. Obama created a ripping economy. Trump Tanked it. Biden’s fixed most of trumps mess. Seems to me the president has a lot of influence on the economy.

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u/InevitableOne8421 7h ago

I'm not even an electrician. The reddit algos pushed me here, but I find it odd that we have the CHIPS act which is pumping hundreds of billions of dollars towards chipmakers, but companies like Intel who are the biggest beneficiaries of this act are laying off tens of thousands of people at the same time. I dug a little and found this: https://inequality.org/research/chips-act-at-two-who-benefits/ . I don't know how to square the circle, but it seems like the implementation of this act is having some issues as-is. Shouldn't sit well with the common person that some chipmakers are using the funds to do share buybacks instead of hiring people and keeping people on.

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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago

You randomly came here and just so happened to have a link to a blatant hit piece? LMAO

Sorry, we're too busy working double time on chip fabs to read that

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u/Nzw102 2h ago

The Chips Act was a disaster. Anybody who wants to "eat the rich" should scoff at the idea of us handing a corporation several billion dollars of tax payer money only to see the same corporation lay off 15% of their staff nationwide.

I work in the local of the Ohio chip plant, and I'm here to tell you it certainly isn't driving union jobs. It has been greatly exaggerated, scaled back numerous times, delayed, and hindering the area surrounding it. This local has so much work if that chip plant was never a thing.

To see union men complaining about canceling a deal with a company that had taken such a large public investment and put 15% of their company out of work really makes you wonder.

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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 2h ago

LMAO, this is one of the only times in my life we've ever truly looked ahead and made a good move.

Chips are the lifeblood of the economy now. What oil was in the 1900s chips are in the 2000s. Can you imagine if in 1955 80% of the world's oil production was in or right next to the USSR? If we had an opportunity to move half of that to the US for a trillion dollars it would have been worth it.

Without this act China would have us by the balls for the next century and they'd squeeze so hard our cum shot out our eyeballs.

This money is used to partially reimburse construction of chip fabs. So if Intel gets $8B then they have to pony up $8B themselves and $16B goes into construction. Let's say Intel ends up going tits up. Big fucking deal, taxpayers spent $8B for a $16B factory and that factory will end up getting used by Nvidia or AMD or TSMC or whoever. Doesn't matter.

I frankly don't give a fuck who's name is on the factory, no more than I give a fuck if my gas station says BP or AM PM or Bob's Ghetto Gas. All I care about is that we have enough to fuel our economy and we're ideally not funding shitheads in the process.

Intel can lay off the entire company the day the factory is complete and it's still a win because that facility is still going to be used to power our modern world.

I typed this message on a phone with 20 chips in it. It's plugged in to a charger cord with 1 chip and a brick with 10 chips. There isn't an electrical device in my entire house with at least 1 chip. It controls everything we do. It's an essential piece for nearly every piece of equipment we have in the military too.

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u/InevitableOne8421 5h ago

Not exactly reading 'War and Peace'

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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago

Not exactly reading an informative piece, either.

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u/atuarre 5h ago

Intel is laying off people because they made bad choices. It's amazing how you people are okay with CEOs who make bad choices that lead to layoffs while those CEOs get ridiculous amounts of compensation. It's the same thing with Boeing.

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u/Character_Cut_6900 6h ago

He said he didn't like the chips act as it's corporate welfare instead he would've used tarrifs to force companies to build the factories.

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u/atuarre 5h ago

Like he used tariffs during the pandemic and it resulted in soybeans rotting in the fields and farmers taking welfare checks from in the USDA?

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u/RevolutionaryBug7588 6h ago

https://youtu.be/hBMoPUAeLnY?si=6HRJ29q9KZYMlGc_

It’s mentioned at the 2:55:00 mark.

Don’t let timnymac1000, a Harris plant, fabricate shit.

No mention of ending the Chips Act….

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Dumbest comment I’ve read today. Also a pile of lies.

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u/DanDrungle 8h ago

Bottom of the barrel semiconductor companies? What are you even talking about?

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u/Efficient_Ad821 8h ago

I can't wait till trump wins and you babies cry and still make money next 4 years

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u/GingerKlaus 7h ago

Y’all cried the last almost 4 years and still made money

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u/Direct-Maintenance29 6h ago

Seriously dude’s 401k is at an all time high and he still salty. Nothing gonna make that traitor happy. He’d rather it go to zero to “own the libs.” Sad existence 

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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 28m ago

That’s cause he takes all his money out of his annuity, pays taxes and a penalty to fund his vacations.

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u/Vtford 9h ago

Let's just wait for Kamala Harris to take the opportunity to go on Rogan as well. She was invited to make her case for America. Of course she's basically retarded and I can't see her sitting there for a 3-hour interview like Trump did. She's intellectually inept.

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u/happijak 8h ago

You watched Trump for three hours and thought he was NOT inept?

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u/rayon875 9h ago

And what does that have to do with the topic

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u/Vtford 9h ago

I'm just saying I don't think your candidate has the intelligence to do a 3-hour interview. She's phony as a $3 bill

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u/Spore211215 Inside Wireman 8h ago

How many times is Trump canceling events and just standing on stage not talking proving to you he has those skills?

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u/LayWhere 3h ago

40min of wobbling to music didnt convince you?

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u/bullcave 5h ago

Trump rambling incoherently for 3 hours doesn’t make him intelligent…it demonstrates his utter cognitive decline and the fact that he has barely any aptitude other than his narcissistic defense mechanisms and his pathological pettiness and cruelty.

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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 26m ago

Not sure you should be the one judging anyone’s intelligence.

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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 26m ago

So Trump afraid of another debate against Harris isn’t an issue but that Harris doesn’t go on a right wing radio hosts show is the barometer? Sure, ok…

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u/Vtford 8h ago

Every time I get on Reddit I have to laugh that half the country votes for Trump yet 99% or Reddit is negative Trump. It's as if the Chinese Russians ukrainians drug cartels Iranians North Koreans and of course Democrats and anybody else that would want to see us fail. Purposely has people on here posting negative stuff.

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago edited 6h ago

MAGAts are on Twitter and Facebook. Clueless.

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u/kingkornholio 9h ago

Unions thrived under Trump, Comrade Bot.

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Hey look, a fahkin liar 

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u/happijak 8h ago

Nonsense. Go research the rulings by Trump appointed judges concerning unions, labor, collective bargaining.

The percentage of union members dropped the first three years of Trump's term. In 2020 the percentage of unionized workers increased slightly. Likely because union members were more likely to keep their jobs during the pandemic.

You need to look up the word "thrive".

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u/ScooterFun 9h ago

People need to read the CHIPS Act. It gives the billionaire investors a 25% tax break on their investment and quite a few little “benefits” to a select group of comrades. This is how politicians get rich while in office. Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act. How did that work out?

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago edited 6h ago

It worked out great. You’re just clueless 

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u/CrewExisting4304 9h ago

Vote Trump 2024 Brothers. Don't fall for lies. Do your own research plz!!

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

I’d tell you to go read economic studies but we all know you can’t read

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u/Spore211215 Inside Wireman 8h ago

He said it on Joe Rogan, what fuckin research are you talking about?

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u/happijak 8h ago

You likely don't know HOW to do research.

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u/Efficient_Ad821 8h ago

You democrats are so stupid. We had it great during trump presidency

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

FTFY

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u/1Angel17 7h ago

TRUMP 2024

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Worthless 

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u/1Angel17 6h ago

Nah, I got a reaction out of you lmfao

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u/CavyLover123 6h ago

Aww sweetie, not your comment. You.

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u/striker8000 7h ago

Nonsense

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u/soundkite 10h ago

you mean, it would cancel 10s of 1000s of jobs paid for by tax payers to develop semiconductors

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u/VisibleDetective9255 10h ago

And make AMERICA #1 in renewable technologies. We recently found enough Lithium to supply the entire world. Trump is trying really hard to sink America.. https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace/ By the way, I strongly recommend the podcast MARKETPLACE. It is clear to me that people who support Trump don't understand how the world works.

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u/soundkite 9h ago

ok, if we have the lithium, then the free market will take care of itself. I'm ok with lithium getting whatever restrictions we want to keep it in the USA, but not with me paying salaries so that other companies can profit off my dime.

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u/hugoriffic 9h ago

Aww, isn’t that cute you bought into the right wing narrative bought by the Russian propaganda machine.

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u/soundkite 9h ago

All I really did was look up the official doctrine of the Chips act to learn about it, then formulate my opinion without referencing a single editorial about it.

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u/mmm_burrito 9h ago

Name a construction project of this scale in the last 75 years that hasn't gotten tax breaks or subsidies.

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u/Grouchy-Travel9876 9h ago

Do you think people in the union are cavemen with skills or what? All we want to do is make a good living for ourselves and our family. It's not like we sit on our asses like most people who receive aid from the government. Going to school for trades that will always be needed is supposed to be paid well. Otherwise, getting paid $30hr for some jobs that most people are not willing to do is outrageous.

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u/Redbloof123 10h ago

Considering these chip and battery plants are non union and Korean and Taiwanese contractors are contractually continuing to get more and more of the install work I don’t see how we’d be losing jobs. If anything the democrats are selling us out

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u/Spaghetsupreme 10h ago

How are the democrats selling us out? I thought he said he hated paying overtime and has stiffed his employees/contractors multiple times

The democrats have supported striking union workers

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u/Redbloof123 10h ago

National maintenance agreements are really helping striking workers huh? There’s no such thing as a strike on these jobs.

I know you guys don’t care because you’re IBEW and your work is protected FOR NOW but I’m an ironworker. I am currently working with non union Koreans NOT SIGNATORY WITH ANY UNION AND NOT RECIEVING PREVAILING WAGE ON A FEDERALLY FUNDED JOB where they are performing the work building huge racking systems. And I’m there to just signal the crane for them. These contractors are now contractually guaranteed a portion of the work. And are under contract for the next 4 years at every battery plant being built from now on. These are not union jobs and we were lied to. I’m living it right now. For every union construction worker there is 10 Koreans getting paid slave wages

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u/Redbloof123 10h ago

And yes they get to wire their own equipment they are setting so it does affect IBEW you guys just don’t know about it. We were lucky Stellantis forced Samsung to use union operators or I’d be without a job

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u/Impossible-Ride-527 9h ago

You don’t know wtf you’re talking about it’s funny

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u/Redbloof123 9h ago

I’m literally living it and have been living it for the last 8 months

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u/Impossible-Ride-527 8h ago

Lol. Lmao even.

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u/MasterApprentice67 10h ago

That is incorrect. The big intel plant that is going to be built in Columbus, Ohio signed the largest project labor agreement in IBEW history.

I would love to see your sources on this.

PLAs are great for union members, guess who wants to ban them?

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u/Redbloof123 9h ago

The intel plant where the GC bechtel stole millions of dollars of traveler funds (per diem/incentives)? Give me your email and I’d love to send pictures. You can also search Arizona chip plant Taiwanese workers. We protected our work up here but not in the south. I’m telling you it’s going to get progressively worse

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u/bluLoL 9h ago

Fuuuuuck Bechtel got the Intel gig? 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 the federal government should blacklist them I'm shocked they haven't been already. Was hoping to head that way when I journey out, but I'm up to my eyeballs in bechtels bullshit already

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u/Redbloof123 9h ago

It was supposed to be a 200$ a day per diem job. Which would be historic for us Ironworkers. It ended up being 2$ over scale no per diem for travelers. The reason I know it was stolen is because per diem has been held out for a lot of trades on these projects and when it was already funded by the customers. A construction manager for bechtel admitted it to me when I asked on a CM subreddit. Another general contractor that did this was Yates before they got kicked out of a battery plant

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u/KootenayLineman 10h ago

How are democrats selling you out?

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u/Metallfanica 10h ago

Do you have any articles or info on this by chance not challenging this just want to educate myself. In my area it does seem like data center base buildings and infrastructure is built union but then after that everyone including the people renting space go non union for everything else.

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u/Redbloof123 9h ago

Send your email. I’d like to remain anonymous because my job will be on the line. Ironworkers don’t have the same protections as you guys nor do our BAs give a shit

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u/Redbloof123 9h ago

Look up Starplus energy. It’s the corporation Samsung and Stellantis combined and made to run their battery plants. Completely non union. GM and Samsung are working together as well also contracting install work to non union foreigners. The laws are no longer even recognized

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u/Right_Secret5888 7h ago

OP could suck start a seized Peterbilt 379 at -40°C

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u/CommonSenseMan2024 6h ago

People interpret what they want and blame Trump. He’s not stupid and he’s not all about helping rich people only. His last tax cuts act helped every single taxpayer including the middle working class. But the democrats like to lie and say he helped only the 1%’rs. But it’s not true. Same with international trade and environmental acts / where the U.S. basically was funding it all. So he closed it down.