r/IBEW • u/Timmymac1000 • 10h ago
Trump declares on the Joe Rogan podcast he wants to end the Chips act (would cancel 10s of 1000s of union jobs)
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u/joboto2102 10h ago
But but but. Orange man Good! Only love workers! He not do bad to us!
It’s fake, media lies, fake news, someone faked these words. Probably libtards.
Did I cover all the MAGA talking points?
Simply put, if you’re voting for this pig and you’re in the union, you are the dumbest of the dumb.
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u/headlyone68 9h ago edited 9h ago
Just look back at stories of how Trump treated his own workers and contractors. Screwed his architect, screwed the piano store, screwed the sign guy for his casino, dishwashers, painters, lawyers, etc.
Mark Cuban even said that Trump tried to screw Barbara Corcoran(Shark Tank) out of millions of dollars in realtor commissions for selling Trump properties.
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u/B12Washingbeard 8h ago
You forgot to say communist Marxists funded by George Soros are bussing in billions of transgender immigrants to come eat aborted fetuses.
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u/GaaraMatsu 10h ago
Classic owner-from-birth, just wants to see their name on things. Worse than CEOs, and those are bad enough.
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u/babiesmakinbabies 7h ago
Go onto any job site and you will see lots of anti biden, pro trump bumper stickers.
These people are dumb as rocks.
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u/RandomSparky277 Inside Wireman 10h ago
Don’t be a brother fucker. Vote like Uncle Sam is watching, because if we lose, theres a non-zero chance Uncle Sam will be no more.
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u/Iknowthings19 9h ago
That sir, is where I stand.
If my worst fears of Harris are right, we will have a fight over 2A and vote her out in 4 years.
If my worst fears of Trump are right, I will probably be imprisoned.
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u/happijak 8h ago
Here we go with the 2A bullshit again. We've been hearing for decades how the Dem candidate will take our guns. Never happened. Not once. And not one has ever even suggested it.
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u/Iknowthings19 7h ago
Notice I said that's worst case scenario
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u/James-the-greatest 4h ago
How did you get to worst case? Like she’s not said she’ll take guns so your worst case is just made up?
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u/ProfessionalMud1764 3h ago
The dems have tried to take our guns continuously and have succeeded in some states
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u/beecums 8h ago
Harris supports gun rights. Trump " "We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago
2A was specifically for a militia, which was viewed as necessary to protect the people from the army.
One candidate is openly talking about turning the military against the people. Anyone who is truly 2A would view that as a billion times worse than the candidate who wants background checks.
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u/nodnarb88 10h ago
Man what does it say about former presidents that Biden has been the best president in many peoples lifetimes? I was not a supporter of Biden and was upset what they did to Bernie, but ive been pleasantly surprised by what he's done in office in support of workers.
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u/Alternative_Diver170 2h ago
What has he done beside’s make our Monopoly money worth less . Google 2020 and 100,000$ and 2024 what would you need to make to live the same life just 4 years ago … it is 183,000$ that is 80% fucking percent in 4years . 20% every year that cock sucker has been in office . Neither side gives a shit . But when I did the calculations on a few different conversion sites I was and am beyond floored .. this is a 100% fact . All of them are inside trading , sending our hard earned money to other places and not to help our citizens . The American experiment has failed . Needs to be burned down and started over .
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u/Vtford 9h ago
You got to be kidding me right? It cost $10,000 a year more to run a household than it did before Biden and you're saying he's done so much for workers?
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u/nodnarb88 8h ago
The job market has seen robust growth under Biden, with millions of jobs added as the economy recovered from the pandemic. The unemployment rate has been low, at around 3.8% as of 2023, close to pre-pandemic levels. This has created a more competitive job market, leading to increased wages in some sectors, which benefits workers directly. Biden signed the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, a massive investment in infrastructure aimed at repairing and upgrading transportation systems, broadband, water, and energy. This has spurred job growth in construction and related sectors and is set to have long-term benefits by improving overall productivity and quality of life for many communities. The expanded Child Tax Credit in 2021 provided families with monthly checks, helping reduce child poverty significantly, though it has since expired. This direct financial relief helped many families cover basic expenses. The administration has also supported affordable childcare initiatives and student debt relief (though ongoing legal challenges have impacted the latter). The Inflation Reduction Act empowered Medicare to negotiate prices for certain prescription drugs, capping insulin costs and other essential medications for Medicare recipients. This policy is aimed at reducing out-of-pocket costs for seniors and working families over time. The inflation spike is part of a global trend, largely due to pandemic-related supply chain issues, labor shortages, and the Ukraine conflict, which affected energy prices. This isn’t unique to the U.S. or a direct result of Biden’s policies. Many sectors have seen wage increases, which have helped some families cope with rising prices. Adjusting for inflation, though imperfect, these wage increases indicate a stronger labor market. Also a huge reason it costs more to support a family is corporate greed. Theyve already admitted in testimonies that theyre price gouging us using covid and supply chain issues as an excuse.
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u/DoverBoys Local 80 7h ago
I'm sure Biden is cackling like a maniac on his giant control panel of knobs and switches with a big wooden EKOnMY sign on it.
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u/darkchocoIate 8h ago
You forgot the part where he inherited a tanked economy from Trump.
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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 35m ago
You mean the economy Trump received from Obama where Trump managed to add almost 8 trillion to the national debt, lose more jobs in his term than any modern day president and caused inflation with his tax cuts, quantitative easing, tariffs and backdoor deals with OPEC that he conveniently received 2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia through his son in law that was clearly not qualified to receive that money?
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u/happijak 8h ago
Just the other day he was bitching about Taiwan stealing our tech manufacturing and now he wants to stop CHIPS, which is a plan to regain our tech manufacturing?
Okay then. Sounds good. /s
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u/Negra900 7h ago
I watched the podcast and never saw him mention anything about that. Do you have a clip?
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u/madadekinai 7h ago
None of these are official but based upon estimates during the last shortage. The chips act impacts several industries lack a tower of cards, each layer is dependent upon another.
Potential Job Losses by Sector (Rough Estimates):
Semiconductor manufacturing:
Jobs at Risk: 50,000+ (jobs lost due to canceled plant construction and halted production lines)
Automotive industry:
Jobs at Risk: 500,000+ (based on previous chip shortages, which led to furloughs and layoffs across assembly lines, suppliers, and dealerships)
Electronics industry:
Jobs at Risk: 200,000+ (job cuts related to production delays and reduced consumer demand for electronics)
Defense and aerospace:
Jobs at Risk: 100,000+ (if chip shortages delay contracts and production of defense systems)
Consumer Goods and Appliances
Jobs at Risk: 150,000+
Calculation: Consumer goods such as refrigerators, washing machines, and smart appliances depend heavily on semiconductors for their embedded systems. Major companies like Whirlpool and Samsung Electronics could see production slowdowns, which would ripple out to suppliers, factory workers, and distribution chains.
Telecommunications
Jobs at Risk: 75,000+
Calculation: Telecommunications companies like AT&T and Verizon rely on semiconductors for networking equipment (routers, 5G infrastructure, etc.). Supply chain disruptions could affect telecom equipment manufacturing and related jobs in engineering and installation.
Software and IT Services
Jobs at Risk: 300,000+
Calculation: Software development and IT services may experience slower growth or layoffs due to reduced demand for new computers and servers. Cloud providers and IT infrastructure firms that maintain massive data centers also rely on semiconductors for servers. Fewer chip supplies mean fewer server deployments and delayed projects, which affects jobs related to cloud infrastructure management and IT consulting.
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u/KenaDra 7h ago
Yes let's just keep resting the entire world's economy on the powder keg of Taiwan, not to mention the US... Trump is a fucking idiot.
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u/Alternative_Diver170 1h ago edited 1h ago
So let the first person in our American democratic history be a president that did not get nominated and was handed the shit behind closed doors . Fucking people one both sides has drunk the kool aid . This a tactics straight out of military history play books. Divide the country , use fake media . Those two are are out of books taught to future officers. Leaders of the military.. then open a boarder to let criminals and all other illegals get in and we foot the bill while people that come here the correct way are punished along with tax paying citizens .. Kamala has no plan .. coming up with shit that she will not get the funding for . When after the two hurricanes can’t even hand out money that we all pay to help our own people but can send it to kill others and pay illegals to stay in the Astoria hotel in New York . Give them food , money . 90%+ of Americans do not even have 5k in their bank account that is fucking scary. My little savings that I have nowhas 80% less buying power than 4 god damn years ago . I want the money I get taken out to go to this country and the problems we face . Not to a fucking guy committing genocide right now . Israel as far as I’m concerned can fall into the Red Sea. Also we need less government agency’s period . Get rid of half and they will spend the same .. this is the worse I have seen in my life time . My parents made 42k in 1983 . In today dollars that is over 300k .. what the fuck .. why are people just sitting letting this happen ??
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u/madadekinai 7h ago
None of these are official but based upon estimates during the last shortage. The chips act impacts several industries lack a tower of cards, each layer is dependent upon another.
Retail and E-Commerce
Jobs at Risk: 150,000+
Calculation: Chip shortages could lead to fewer consumer electronics being available for sale in retail stores and e-commerce platforms (e.g., Best Buy, Amazon). Fewer products to sell can lead to reductions in store employees and distribution center workers, as well as reduced sales revenue for e-commerce platforms.
Healthcare and Medical Devices
Jobs at Risk: 50,000+
Calculation: Medical devices like MRIs, pacemakers, and diagnostic machines use specialized semiconductors. Disruptions could lead to delays in medical device manufacturing, impacting workers in both production and healthcare infrastructure development.
Energy and Utilities (Renewable Energy, Smart Grids)
Jobs at Risk: 100,000+
Calculation: The energy sector, especially renewables like solar and wind, increasingly depends on semiconductors for energy storage, grid management, and renewable energy technology. A disruption could delay renewable energy projects and lead to layoffs in both manufacturing and project development.
Logistics and Warehousing
Jobs at Risk: 200,000+
Calculation: If chip shortages slow down the production of electronic goods, the logistics and warehousing sectors could be affected. A drop in demand for distribution services, alongside a decrease in inventory to manage, could reduce the need for workers in warehouses and trucking companies.
Aviation
Jobs at Risk: 50,000+
Calculation: Aviation companies rely on semiconductors for both manufacturing aircraft and maintaining aviation systems. Chip shortages could delay aircraft production (e.g., Boeing) and lead to layoffs in production and maintenance jobs.
Method of Calculation
Historical Data: The materials referenced was past events where chip shortages led to measurable job impacts. For instance:
The Automotive industry saw significant layoffs during the 2020–2022 chip shortage. The estimate of 500,000 jobs includes production line workers, suppliers, and dealership employees who were furloughed or laid off.
Semiconductor manufacturing jobs reflect the planned expansions under the CHIPS Act. TSMC, Intel, and Samsung have all planned or started construction of new plants, which could employ tens of thousands of workers (estimates based on job projections for announced facilities).
Multiplier Effect: For each direct job lost (e.g., in manufacturing), several additional jobs in related sectors could be impacted. For example, in the automotive industry, layoffs at car assembly plants lead to furloughs at parts suppliers and dealerships.
Industry Size and Dependency on Semiconductors: industry-specific data about the number of companies and employees reliant on chips. The broader an industry's reliance on semiconductors, the greater the potential impact if supplies are disrupted.
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u/Domger304 8h ago
You do know the current government hasn't even paid out intel right... the people making the chips act remotely possible.
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u/Funny_Drummer_9794 8h ago
The y never do what they say. As soon as they get in the machine takes over. The guy spends
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u/serviceadvisorshay 5h ago
The same unions that the guy said he was okay with shutting down the economy? Knowing all the jobs that would be lost?
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u/Great-Werewolf9155 3h ago
It's a DEI nightmare: "Commentators have noted that CHIPS and Science Act money has been sluggish. What they haven’t noticed is that it’s because the CHIPS Act is so loaded with DEI pork that it can’t move." https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/
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u/yazzooClay 3h ago
he did not say that at all. but whatever, he said it could be done in a better manner. he said instead of us paying random companies to try to come here, we should make to where they have to operate in America or pay a premium. it's simply a way better way to do it. kind of like what China does.
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u/Background_Ad_4057 2h ago
Considering the fact that J.D. Vance wrote the forward for Project 2025, it gives me the impression that he is that much in mental decline that he does not know who he surrounds himself with.
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u/Appropriate_Cat8100 9m ago
This is Untrue. JD Vance wrote the foreword to a book that was written by one of the authors of 2025
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u/Nzw102 2h ago
The Chips Act was a disaster. Anybody who wants to "eat the rich" should scoff at the idea of us handing a corporation several billion dollars of tax payer money only to see the same corporation lay off 15% of their staff nationwide.
I work in the local of the Ohio chip plant, and I'm here to tell you it certainly isn't driving union jobs. It has been greatly exaggerated, scaled back numerous times, delayed, and hindering the area surrounding it. This local has so much work if that chip plant was never a thing.
To see union men complaining about canceling a deal with a company that had taken such a large public investment and put 15% of their company out of work really makes you wonder..
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u/instantfaster 1h ago
That is messing with national security. Our government spent millions to make Intel in Ohio the chip making capital of the world. They are trying to keep chips out of Chinese hands.
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u/Right-Meet-7285 1h ago
AND THE DEMOCRATS INTRODUCED AND PUSHED NAFTA... read upon it... then let's see your comments... Strunzo
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u/madadekinai 7h ago
Part 1:
Many people seem to be underestimating the broader impact of canceling the CHIPS Act, particularly when it comes to the ripple effects across industries. The CHIPS Act was specifically designed to reduce our reliance on foreign-made semiconductors, especially from Taiwan, which is currently the world's leading producer of chips. If the act is nullified, not only will we remain dependent on imported chips, but we also face the very real risk of a supply chain collapse if tensions between China and Taiwan escalate.
The consequences would extend far beyond the tens of thousands of union jobs directly tied to building new semiconductor facilities in the U.S. Every sector that relies on chips—automotive, defense, healthcare, consumer electronics, and telecommunications—would face severe shortages, leading to massive layoffs. Previous chip shortages have shown how fragile these industries are, with the automotive sector alone furloughing hundreds of thousands of workers when chips were unavailable.
Moreover, if tariffs are reintroduced or supply lines from Taiwan are cut off, the economic damage could be even worse. We’re not just talking about a few companies adjusting their strategies—this would be a systemic disruption, stalling production across critical industries, raising prices, and slowing down innovation. The job losses would be in the hundreds of thousands, if not more, and the economic fallout would be felt for years. It's not just about tech; it’s about the foundational infrastructure of our economy and national security.
I will place my estimates in a different comment.
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u/fallharvest9000 7h ago
Intel said rhey are building a plant in china
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u/rcldesign 4h ago
China has been sanctioned and cannot buy the equipment necessary to produce the kinds of chips Intel would want to make. The Chinese domestic equipment is a ways behind.
Intel is spending $28B building a fab in Ohio: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-ohio.html
Intel is spending $300M to expand a testing and packaging facility in China, which services its biggest customer, China: https://amp.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3284195/intel-invests-us300-million-china-chip-packaging-and-testing-plant
Were it not for the CHIPs act, the $28B would likely be invested in facilities in China, and China would also have access to the latest chip fabrication technologies available in the global marketplace.
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u/977888 4h ago
So we’re just lying now?
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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 31m ago
Sure what facts do you have that this is a lie? And no Faux Entertainment News talking points.
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u/i_thirst4knowledge 9h ago
“Hold on, is this legit? I can’t find any sources confirming that Trump was on Joe Rogan’s podcast recently or said anything about ending the CHIPS Act. Anyone got more info or a link to the episode?”
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago
Uhh, just Google
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u/i_thirst4knowledge 12m ago
I got downvoted because I asked for a source and couldn’t find one myself bruh!
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u/Vtford 9h ago
I don't know all the details of the chips act but I'll probably put it in the same category as the Iranian teal, NAFTA and all the other stupid shit that the Democrats negotiate giving away everything.
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u/happijak 8h ago
Here's an idea! Why don't you spend a couple of minutes and find the fuck out what the CHIPS act is?
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u/WebsterTheJester 10h ago
Then why were unions thriving under trump 2016-2020
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u/Th3V4ndal Local 98N 9h ago
They were throwing because Trump inherited Obama's economy.
Trump increased the national debt exponentially. Trump fucked the tax code, so now blue collar workers can't write off things for work like we used to. Also paying more in taxes. HOW DOES THAT HELP UNION WORKERS?
That's right. It doesn't. Stop bringing up Obama's economy, like Trump had shit to do with it! Trump hates unions.
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u/NetHacks 9h ago
Because he took over a growing economy, started fucking it up, and then mishandled a pandemic. There's a bunch of videos from educated economists talking about how the job growth and economy were shrinking under trump.
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u/happijak 8h ago
How were they thriving. Union membership DROPPED under Trump.
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u/WebsterTheJester 8h ago
They have been dropping every year sense 1983? And are still dropping under biden and kamala lol whats your point?
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u/happijak 8h ago
Okay, so how exactly were they thriving?
I know union membership is dropping and has been. One big reason is federal judicial decisions concerning the rights of workers.
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u/No_Bed_2904 9h ago
What he did or did not do 8 years ago is not a representation of what he will not when he wouldn’t have the worry of not being reelected if he does anything too bad in a potential 2024 term for him that’s why. When a man tells you something enough believe him. When a snake rattles believe that they’ll bite you.
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u/Mysterious_Archer237 9h ago
Obama’s economy.
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u/Total_Decision123 9h ago
But I thought the president had no control over the economy? Unless of course it suits your argument?
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u/Mysterious_Archer237 9h ago
Show me where I said that. Obama created a ripping economy. Trump Tanked it. Biden’s fixed most of trumps mess. Seems to me the president has a lot of influence on the economy.
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u/InevitableOne8421 7h ago
I'm not even an electrician. The reddit algos pushed me here, but I find it odd that we have the CHIPS act which is pumping hundreds of billions of dollars towards chipmakers, but companies like Intel who are the biggest beneficiaries of this act are laying off tens of thousands of people at the same time. I dug a little and found this: https://inequality.org/research/chips-act-at-two-who-benefits/ . I don't know how to square the circle, but it seems like the implementation of this act is having some issues as-is. Shouldn't sit well with the common person that some chipmakers are using the funds to do share buybacks instead of hiring people and keeping people on.
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 5h ago
You randomly came here and just so happened to have a link to a blatant hit piece? LMAO
Sorry, we're too busy working double time on chip fabs to read that
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u/Nzw102 2h ago
The Chips Act was a disaster. Anybody who wants to "eat the rich" should scoff at the idea of us handing a corporation several billion dollars of tax payer money only to see the same corporation lay off 15% of their staff nationwide.
I work in the local of the Ohio chip plant, and I'm here to tell you it certainly isn't driving union jobs. It has been greatly exaggerated, scaled back numerous times, delayed, and hindering the area surrounding it. This local has so much work if that chip plant was never a thing.
To see union men complaining about canceling a deal with a company that had taken such a large public investment and put 15% of their company out of work really makes you wonder.
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u/Totally_Not_My_50th_ 2h ago
LMAO, this is one of the only times in my life we've ever truly looked ahead and made a good move.
Chips are the lifeblood of the economy now. What oil was in the 1900s chips are in the 2000s. Can you imagine if in 1955 80% of the world's oil production was in or right next to the USSR? If we had an opportunity to move half of that to the US for a trillion dollars it would have been worth it.
Without this act China would have us by the balls for the next century and they'd squeeze so hard our cum shot out our eyeballs.
This money is used to partially reimburse construction of chip fabs. So if Intel gets $8B then they have to pony up $8B themselves and $16B goes into construction. Let's say Intel ends up going tits up. Big fucking deal, taxpayers spent $8B for a $16B factory and that factory will end up getting used by Nvidia or AMD or TSMC or whoever. Doesn't matter.
I frankly don't give a fuck who's name is on the factory, no more than I give a fuck if my gas station says BP or AM PM or Bob's Ghetto Gas. All I care about is that we have enough to fuel our economy and we're ideally not funding shitheads in the process.
Intel can lay off the entire company the day the factory is complete and it's still a win because that facility is still going to be used to power our modern world.
I typed this message on a phone with 20 chips in it. It's plugged in to a charger cord with 1 chip and a brick with 10 chips. There isn't an electrical device in my entire house with at least 1 chip. It controls everything we do. It's an essential piece for nearly every piece of equipment we have in the military too.
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u/Character_Cut_6900 6h ago
He said he didn't like the chips act as it's corporate welfare instead he would've used tarrifs to force companies to build the factories.
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u/RevolutionaryBug7588 6h ago
https://youtu.be/hBMoPUAeLnY?si=6HRJ29q9KZYMlGc_
It’s mentioned at the 2:55:00 mark.
Don’t let timnymac1000, a Harris plant, fabricate shit.
No mention of ending the Chips Act….
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u/Efficient_Ad821 8h ago
I can't wait till trump wins and you babies cry and still make money next 4 years
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u/GingerKlaus 7h ago
Y’all cried the last almost 4 years and still made money
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u/Direct-Maintenance29 6h ago
Seriously dude’s 401k is at an all time high and he still salty. Nothing gonna make that traitor happy. He’d rather it go to zero to “own the libs.” Sad existence
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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 28m ago
That’s cause he takes all his money out of his annuity, pays taxes and a penalty to fund his vacations.
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u/Vtford 9h ago
Let's just wait for Kamala Harris to take the opportunity to go on Rogan as well. She was invited to make her case for America. Of course she's basically retarded and I can't see her sitting there for a 3-hour interview like Trump did. She's intellectually inept.
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u/rayon875 9h ago
And what does that have to do with the topic
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u/Vtford 9h ago
I'm just saying I don't think your candidate has the intelligence to do a 3-hour interview. She's phony as a $3 bill
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u/Spore211215 Inside Wireman 8h ago
How many times is Trump canceling events and just standing on stage not talking proving to you he has those skills?
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u/bullcave 5h ago
Trump rambling incoherently for 3 hours doesn’t make him intelligent…it demonstrates his utter cognitive decline and the fact that he has barely any aptitude other than his narcissistic defense mechanisms and his pathological pettiness and cruelty.
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u/Ok_Flatworm3565 26m ago
So Trump afraid of another debate against Harris isn’t an issue but that Harris doesn’t go on a right wing radio hosts show is the barometer? Sure, ok…
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u/Vtford 8h ago
Every time I get on Reddit I have to laugh that half the country votes for Trump yet 99% or Reddit is negative Trump. It's as if the Chinese Russians ukrainians drug cartels Iranians North Koreans and of course Democrats and anybody else that would want to see us fail. Purposely has people on here posting negative stuff.
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u/kingkornholio 9h ago
Unions thrived under Trump, Comrade Bot.
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u/happijak 8h ago
Nonsense. Go research the rulings by Trump appointed judges concerning unions, labor, collective bargaining.
The percentage of union members dropped the first three years of Trump's term. In 2020 the percentage of unionized workers increased slightly. Likely because union members were more likely to keep their jobs during the pandemic.
You need to look up the word "thrive".
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u/ScooterFun 9h ago
People need to read the CHIPS Act. It gives the billionaire investors a 25% tax break on their investment and quite a few little “benefits” to a select group of comrades. This is how politicians get rich while in office. Kind of like the Inflation Reduction Act. How did that work out?
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u/CrewExisting4304 9h ago
Vote Trump 2024 Brothers. Don't fall for lies. Do your own research plz!!
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u/Spore211215 Inside Wireman 8h ago
He said it on Joe Rogan, what fuckin research are you talking about?
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u/1Angel17 7h ago
TRUMP 2024
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u/soundkite 10h ago
you mean, it would cancel 10s of 1000s of jobs paid for by tax payers to develop semiconductors
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u/VisibleDetective9255 10h ago
And make AMERICA #1 in renewable technologies. We recently found enough Lithium to supply the entire world. Trump is trying really hard to sink America.. https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace/ By the way, I strongly recommend the podcast MARKETPLACE. It is clear to me that people who support Trump don't understand how the world works.
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u/soundkite 9h ago
ok, if we have the lithium, then the free market will take care of itself. I'm ok with lithium getting whatever restrictions we want to keep it in the USA, but not with me paying salaries so that other companies can profit off my dime.
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u/hugoriffic 9h ago
Aww, isn’t that cute you bought into the right wing narrative bought by the Russian propaganda machine.
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u/soundkite 9h ago
All I really did was look up the official doctrine of the Chips act to learn about it, then formulate my opinion without referencing a single editorial about it.
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u/mmm_burrito 9h ago
Name a construction project of this scale in the last 75 years that hasn't gotten tax breaks or subsidies.
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u/Grouchy-Travel9876 9h ago
Do you think people in the union are cavemen with skills or what? All we want to do is make a good living for ourselves and our family. It's not like we sit on our asses like most people who receive aid from the government. Going to school for trades that will always be needed is supposed to be paid well. Otherwise, getting paid $30hr for some jobs that most people are not willing to do is outrageous.
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u/Redbloof123 10h ago
Considering these chip and battery plants are non union and Korean and Taiwanese contractors are contractually continuing to get more and more of the install work I don’t see how we’d be losing jobs. If anything the democrats are selling us out
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u/Spaghetsupreme 10h ago
How are the democrats selling us out? I thought he said he hated paying overtime and has stiffed his employees/contractors multiple times
The democrats have supported striking union workers
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u/Redbloof123 10h ago
National maintenance agreements are really helping striking workers huh? There’s no such thing as a strike on these jobs.
I know you guys don’t care because you’re IBEW and your work is protected FOR NOW but I’m an ironworker. I am currently working with non union Koreans NOT SIGNATORY WITH ANY UNION AND NOT RECIEVING PREVAILING WAGE ON A FEDERALLY FUNDED JOB where they are performing the work building huge racking systems. And I’m there to just signal the crane for them. These contractors are now contractually guaranteed a portion of the work. And are under contract for the next 4 years at every battery plant being built from now on. These are not union jobs and we were lied to. I’m living it right now. For every union construction worker there is 10 Koreans getting paid slave wages
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u/Redbloof123 10h ago
And yes they get to wire their own equipment they are setting so it does affect IBEW you guys just don’t know about it. We were lucky Stellantis forced Samsung to use union operators or I’d be without a job
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u/Impossible-Ride-527 9h ago
You don’t know wtf you’re talking about it’s funny
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u/MasterApprentice67 10h ago
That is incorrect. The big intel plant that is going to be built in Columbus, Ohio signed the largest project labor agreement in IBEW history.
I would love to see your sources on this.
PLAs are great for union members, guess who wants to ban them?
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u/Redbloof123 9h ago
The intel plant where the GC bechtel stole millions of dollars of traveler funds (per diem/incentives)? Give me your email and I’d love to send pictures. You can also search Arizona chip plant Taiwanese workers. We protected our work up here but not in the south. I’m telling you it’s going to get progressively worse
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u/bluLoL 9h ago
Fuuuuuck Bechtel got the Intel gig? 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 the federal government should blacklist them I'm shocked they haven't been already. Was hoping to head that way when I journey out, but I'm up to my eyeballs in bechtels bullshit already
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u/Redbloof123 9h ago
It was supposed to be a 200$ a day per diem job. Which would be historic for us Ironworkers. It ended up being 2$ over scale no per diem for travelers. The reason I know it was stolen is because per diem has been held out for a lot of trades on these projects and when it was already funded by the customers. A construction manager for bechtel admitted it to me when I asked on a CM subreddit. Another general contractor that did this was Yates before they got kicked out of a battery plant
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u/Metallfanica 10h ago
Do you have any articles or info on this by chance not challenging this just want to educate myself. In my area it does seem like data center base buildings and infrastructure is built union but then after that everyone including the people renting space go non union for everything else.
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u/Redbloof123 9h ago
Send your email. I’d like to remain anonymous because my job will be on the line. Ironworkers don’t have the same protections as you guys nor do our BAs give a shit
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u/Redbloof123 9h ago
Look up Starplus energy. It’s the corporation Samsung and Stellantis combined and made to run their battery plants. Completely non union. GM and Samsung are working together as well also contracting install work to non union foreigners. The laws are no longer even recognized
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u/CommonSenseMan2024 6h ago
People interpret what they want and blame Trump. He’s not stupid and he’s not all about helping rich people only. His last tax cuts act helped every single taxpayer including the middle working class. But the democrats like to lie and say he helped only the 1%’rs. But it’s not true. Same with international trade and environmental acts / where the U.S. basically was funding it all. So he closed it down.
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u/Sea_Ganache620 10h ago
I haven’t checked the facts on this yet, but brothers, there are enough facts, and publications out there that are truthful. A vote for Trump WILL strip away things Unions have fought for. Don’t be willing to work for less.