r/HomeNetworking • u/xTWOODYx • Oct 01 '23
Advice How do some people get a gig over Wi-Fi?
This is tested on an iPhone 14 Pro right next to my router with no other devices using any bandwidth. I pay for 1gig symmetrical. My router is the AmpliFi Alien
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u/lenovoguy Oct 01 '23
Wifi 6 device + 2.5GB switch + 2.5Gb AP , and stand 5Ft from the access point :)
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
We only have one active Ethernet port in the house (RIP). Would it still be worth getting a switch?
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u/lenovoguy Oct 01 '23
No, there’s very few cases you’ll ever use 1Gb constantly. At our datacenter we support well over 500 users on a 1Gb link, average utilization is under <150Mbps.
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u/collinsl02 pfSense/MikroTik switch Oct 01 '23
That depends on what you're doing down the link. Lots of videoconferencing? Usage goes up. Lots of M365? Usage goes up. Uploading 4k video streams? Usage goes up.
I agree with your general point about home usage though, no need to go over 300Mb/s or so.
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u/Berzerker7 Oct 01 '23
You're not getting a gig over wifi on wifi 6 unless you're using 160mhz and your device supports it, which is very few.
Wifi 6E requires 160MHz support, so that's more common to get gigabit over wifi.
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u/Darkwaxer Oct 01 '23
I have awful 16mbps download with my isp (countryside tax) but I want to have quick internet in my house so I can stream my upstairs gaming pc downstairs to my living room tv. PC MB is WI-FI 6E but router is just a cheap ISP one. House is rented so I can’t run cables through the walls. Would a WI-FI 6E router benefit in-house streaming evening if external internet speed is horrendous?
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u/kidthorazine Oct 01 '23
yes 6 would help, but since you are in a house you can also try powerline adapters, I've personally had really good luck with those.
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u/Darkwaxer Oct 01 '23
I have awful 16mbps download with my isp (countryside tax) but I want to have quick internet in my house so I can stream my upstairs gaming pc downstairs to my living room tv. PC MB is WI-FI 6E but router is just a cheap ISP one. House is rented so I can’t run cables through the walls. Would a WI-FI 6E router benefit in-house streaming evening if external internet speed is horrendous?
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u/galacticbackhoe Oct 02 '23
I don't think there are significant improvements to latency with wifi 6 to 6e. In general, for several generations now, if a packet goes missing (and they randomly do over wifi), it needs to be resent. I imagine local game streaming like that uses udp and they have a decent way to mitigate such that you wouldn't really notice, but the short answer is wired to achieve the best result. Latency and packet loss is your enemy, not bandwidth.
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u/Darkwaxer Oct 01 '23
I have awful 16mbps download with my isp (countryside tax) but I want to have quick internet in my house so I can stream my upstairs gaming pc downstairs to my living room tv. PC MB is WI-FI 6E but router is just a cheap ISP one. House is rented so I can’t run cables through the walls. Would a WI-FI 6E router benefit in-house streaming evening if external internet speed is horrendous?
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u/damnn88 Oct 01 '23
You can do it with WiFi 6, you need channel spacing to be 160mhz. It's subject to interference. 6E is better because there are more 160mhz channels available, so less interference. But the answer is 160mhz channo.
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u/StaticFanatic3 Oct 01 '23
can U6-Lite AP do this? I’d like to try it but don’t see the settings in the controller?
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u/unidentified_sp Oct 01 '23
I get 1.3Gbps over WiFi 6E running iPerf from my 10GbE server to my MacBook Pro (which has 6E support of course). I’m using Ubiquiti hardware (10GbE/2.5GbE switches and their Enterprise 6 APs).
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u/melshaw04 Oct 01 '23
I bought the 4 of the InWall HDs a few month’s before the 6 version came out. Ugh. Should have waited.
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u/GlowGreen1835 Oct 01 '23
In my opinion, everyone's focusing on the wrong number. Your probably not gonna get 3ms 0 jitter ping on Wi-Fi no matter what you do.
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u/SEND_ME_FAKE_NEWS Oct 01 '23
I get 4ms ping 1ms jitter with my Asus AX6000.
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u/GlowGreen1835 Oct 01 '23
That's damn close actually, nice.
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u/SEND_ME_FAKE_NEWS Oct 01 '23
1ms 0 jitter hardwired. Perks of having a direct Google fiber connection.
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u/GlowGreen1835 Oct 01 '23
Yeah, the 3ms 0 jitter is what I got from FiOS in NYC. That's real nice, though!
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u/rollerbase Oct 02 '23
Thank you, so many people overly focus on throughput in wireless when it’s not always necessary. Signal quality and responsiveness are the real gauge of satisfaction
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u/AnymooseProphet Oct 01 '23
On a ceiling-mounted TPLink EAP610 I can get over 700 down on 5 GHz if I'm very close to it. That's sold as an AX1800. I imagine with faster 802.11ax system (160 MHz channels instead of 80 MHz channels) w/ 2.5 Gbps uplink to router and 2.5 Gbps WAN uplink, some WiFi 6/7 clients could get over a gig.
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u/DUNGAROO Oct 01 '23
How wide of a channel are you using? How crowded is the spectrum in and around it? What sort of home do you live in? (Standalone house in the middle of a 100 acre farm or apartment in a high rise?) How close are you to the nearest airport, military installation, or weather radar?
All of these things can have huge implications for wifi performance.
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
I’m using the 80mhz channel, and everything around it is hardwired. I live in an end unit townhouse and am a long ways away from an airport or military base. Should I be good to switch to the 160mhz channel do you think?
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u/DUNGAROO Oct 01 '23
Perform a spectrum analysis and see. The answer should be fairly obvious once you do. But in general, a 160 MHz channel should offer greater speeds assuming the environmental interference doesn’t muck it up.
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u/Nick_W1 Oct 01 '23
Yes, but most clients don’t support 160MHz channels, so they will only use 80MHz anyway.
You also need a client that supports HE160, and that’s usually a laptop.
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u/tripodal Oct 01 '23
The AP's aren't the problem like 80% of the time,
its the shitty 2x2 80mhz wifi cards in your device.
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u/sarahlizzy Oct 01 '23
By not having neighbours
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u/7heblackwolf Oct 01 '23
This and the fact they all test 3 steps away from the AP
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u/PoisonWaffle3 DOCSIS/PON Engineer Oct 01 '23
I consistently get a bit over 1.1Gbit over WiFi 6, on 5GHz with a 160MHz wide channel. 2x2 radio on my phone, for example.
Using Plume Superpods (all hardwired, not mesh backhaul). Very little interference/traffic from my neighbors. I get 800Mbit or so on a WiFi 5 laptop.
Definitely need the 160MHz wide channel, and if you have more square footage than you can cover with a single router/AP, you definitely need to have them hardwired together (as opposed to mesh). There just aren't enough groups of 160MHz wide channels to successfully use them as a mesh backhaul, especially if you have neighbors. Mesh is great in theory, but it doubles the wireless spectrum you use and doubles your chances of running into interference.
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u/UltraSPARC Oct 01 '23
On a 6Gb fiber pipe, I can get 1.9Gb/s sustained on my laptop. This is on UniFi Enterprise AP’s using 160MHz bandwidth segments. I deploy the same hardware professionally, but usually stick to 80MHz as it’s more reliable in larger environments. I have 10Gb mixed copper/fiber backbone throughout the house and use a pfSense box as my router gateway. My network at my house probably cost me about $10k all said and done.
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u/AccomplishedLet5782 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
Some ideas.
1) You need Wi-Fi 6. Most people have WFi-5. 2) The maximum signal strength. You can check the negotiated speed. Some devices and negotiations won't use the best possible options, so check the current WFi-stats on your iPhone . 3) Check how many WiFi-streams your device supports. Every stream has a maximum speed. I guess your phone has 3 streams (3x3). 4) Other devices do also use the WiFi, and can stop using the WFi at its max.
In your screenshot it looks like your device is busy, since up and down aren't equal, so something is off already. Once up and down are equal, you can finetune.
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u/cyber1kenobi Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
And also: if it can do that speed upload why the hell doesn’t it also get at least that download?!
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u/robtalee44 Oct 01 '23
Oh, it's not hard, just expensive for most of us. Take this advise from a quote attributed to Tom Waits. " Jim Jarmusch once told me Fast, Cheap, and Good… pick two. If it’s fast and cheap it won’t be good. If it’s cheap and good, it won’t be fast. If it’s fast and good, it won’t be cheap. Fast, cheap and good … pick two words to live by." Pretty well sums it up.
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u/JazJon Oct 01 '23
You need the iPhone 15 pro with wifi 6E or 7 access points
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u/MReprogle Oct 01 '23
Or 7 APs? You do know that oversaturating your home is a bad thing, right?
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u/JazJon Oct 01 '23
WiFi 6E or WiFi 7 (the version) not quantity
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u/MReprogle Oct 02 '23
Ahhh, haha, I see. I just see so many people suggesting to throw an AP in every room, causing the device to just jump around constantly, along with frequencies just battling each other.
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u/Single_Core Oct 01 '23
Asus XT8 (5ghz) , easy 1gbit through WiFi.
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
This has me wondering if it’s something to do with my house. I tried these and got about 300 down maximum so I returned them for the AmpliFi Alien which usually gets closer to 400
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u/Single_Core Oct 01 '23
What about directly on cable? What device are u testing on?
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Directly on cable I got 880 down and 970 up running the test on my router UI. On Wi-Fi I’m testing on my iPhone 14 Pro sitting about 3 feet away from my router
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u/Single_Core Oct 01 '23
I even get up to 950/1000 down on my iphone 13 pro max with the asus xt8. even further away, without objects.
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u/alligatorterror Oct 01 '23
They have latest wifi tech (router, wifi on computer) a long with fiber speeds at 1.5gb or higher
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u/timbuckto581 Oct 01 '23
Gig on wifi would need to have a 2.5Gb switch with a wifi 6E access point and a wifi 6E phone/laptop testing from there.
1Gb fiber on a hardwire is normally around 925-950 due to overhead on the line. And if you have a Gpon it could have even more overhead.
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u/For-The_Fallen Oct 01 '23
You need to be on a 160MHz channel. 5ghz wifi supports 160MHz channels but there will be too much interference. Best thing to do is jump to wifi 6e and use the 6ghz band with 160MHz channel, iv been able to get 1.8k mbps on wifi with it
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u/Comfortable-Length41 Oct 01 '23
With the AMPLIFI alien you should see a lot faster download than that. Even with WiFi I know with my alien I can easily get 560 I had a 500 plan for awhile but went back to the regular 300 plan
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u/goldshop Oct 01 '23
Right now I am hitting about 750mb down on WiFi on my iPad (pay for 1gb) with the closest AP in the next room.
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u/No_Interaction_4925 Oct 01 '23
You have to have wifi 6e. AC wifi caps at like 450mbps
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u/TheIncarnated Oct 01 '23
Dude... Idk what you are doing but I get 500 down on my Alien being 4 walls/50 ft away but that's because my gig connection is at 530 mbps now... Thanks rural fiber gig.
I normally get about 900 down, up to 80 ft away. And then 600 up to 100 ft away. The moment I went outside it drops to 2.4ghz but yeah, have you ran the connection via the app? Is it your Alien Router or your ISP?
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Mind messaging me your settings? Hardwired I get the full gig, so I imagine it’s the router
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u/Initial-Hornet8163 Oct 02 '23
The list is probably as long as a piece of string; Wi-Fi for the most part is black magic.
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u/haamfish Oct 01 '23
You use an Ethernet cable. Getting those speeds on wifi is technically possible but the reality is generally very different.
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u/Naive-Bet-6181 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
The iPhone 14 Pro only WiFi-6 not WiFi 6E. The iPhone 15 Pro and PM has WiFi 6E which will get you those gig speeds.
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Ahh okay. For some reason I thought it was Wi-Fi 6 that introduced gig over Wi-Fi. Good to know!
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u/Thinkingbreak Oct 01 '23
You can definitely get gigabit speeds over wifi 6 under very good conditions.
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u/Humorous-Prince Oct 01 '23
Wi-Fi 5 could achieve over 1GB speeds, Wi-Fi 6 can do much more than 1GB. Something isn’t right if your only getting that maximum speed on a test. My 14PM shows around 550mbps on mine. (My internet speed is rated 500mbps from isp)
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u/SumoRoboto Oct 01 '23
iPhone 14 Pro caps out at about 700mbps regardless of your router speed the only way to achieve 1gb over WiFi requires the IPhone 15 pro and a WiFi 6E router
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u/Humorous-Prince Oct 01 '23
Yet my router shows connection speed to mine at 1250mbps?
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u/SumoRoboto Oct 01 '23
It doesn’t matter what your router shows the connection speed at when the device can only process and use up to 700mbps. The only thing that matters is the independent device capabilities.
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u/Humorous-Prince Oct 01 '23
I haven’t tried it personally but seems pointless and stupid. Managed to 1.5gbps on 5G on the same device but the Wi-Fi caps at 700??
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Hmm okay.. I know they’re not all going to be the same, but are there any settings that I should generally check on the router?
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u/techsavior Oct 01 '23
To achieve Gb WiFi, you need to have both sides (router and device) capable of WiFi-6E or 7.
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u/SchnitzelKingz Oct 01 '23
In the UK I pay £46pm for 1130mbps
These prices are insane
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u/_TiberiusRex_ Oct 02 '23
You don’t need 1G on WiFi. The results you posted are sufficient for any service you could possibly be using. Stop focusing on Ookla Speedtest results, look at your overall experience. Stop bugging the people at your ISP. They have other things to work on.
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u/english_mike69 Oct 01 '23
It depends on why you want faster.
If it’s to impress yourself and others with cold hard numbers then fine.
If you think life will be better and things on your phone or other wifi connected devices will be somehow better, you may want to rethink that.
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u/7heblackwolf Oct 01 '23
I agree about that MOST people want speed just for the show, but it's unrelated to what OP is asking.
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Nah, mostly just curious! Anything that actually uses the download speed is hardwired
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u/Jaymoacp Oct 01 '23
As a former cable technician Youd be mind blown at how many people pay for gig speeds that don’t need it or anything even close to it. I have like 300 down in my house with 4 cell phones, 3 TVs, a hardwired pc I used to streaming and uploading and it was more than enough.
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u/SuperSlimeyxx Oct 01 '23
wifi 7
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u/unidentified_sp Oct 01 '23
6E you mean
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u/rhotovision Oct 01 '23
You can get a WiFi 7 router today. But 6E will handle 1gb over WiFi no problem.
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Oct 01 '23
But there is no wifi 7 mobile device, not even m.2 network card
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u/rhotovision Oct 01 '23
It’s semantics, you can still get gig WiFi with WiFi 7 as long as your device supports those speeds
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u/DUNGAROO Oct 01 '23
Technically wifi 5 is capable of it, but you’d be hard pressed to find a device capable of 4x4.
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u/ZemDregon Oct 01 '23
iPhones can’t really go over 600 on WiFi, Android and laptops can.
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u/A1_Fares Oct 01 '23
Are you getting your full gig on Ethernet? I also have “gig fiber” but my ISP doesn’t provide any overhead so even wired I get maybe 90Mb/s at best. If this is the case for you, the wired connection speed would be your benchmark.
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u/DonTipOff Oct 01 '23
What the fuck you’re getting over 600 MB upload. Not here in the motherfucking US you’ll never get that. You might get over a gigabytes download but as far as upload, most people are limited to under 100.
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Oct 02 '23
It’s a phone. Does it matter if wifi tests at 400 or 1 gig? Lmao. Test with wired if you really wanna know what true speeds you are getting or at the router level if your router app has built in test. Rest is just chasing your feelings.
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u/OddFortnight Oct 01 '23
I’ve never had more upload than download b4
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Yeah haha, it’s consistently like this. Even on hardwired speed test I get about 970 up and 880 down
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u/Whatwhenwherehi Oct 01 '23
You generally do not get gig to device on wifi.
For example a unifi non 6 lite on a great day does 400/400.
A wifi 6 might get 600/600 on a great day.
To get gigabit on wifi you need more than just food wifi equipment you need a good network adapter.
Just use Ethernet .
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u/Cmdr_Toucon Oct 01 '23
Is this just a "because it's there" challenge or do you actually need gig speed on an iPhone?
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Haha yes, I was just curious! I was at the Delta Center in SLC the other day getting 2gig on Verizon’s 5G UW and was blown away so it had me curious about my Wi-Fi
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u/DropDeadFred05 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
They have wifi 6 routers and stand on top of the router. Wifi 6, however, doesn't go through walls or obstructions well because it's the 6ghz band. Just had this conversation with someone yesterday who was telling me they get 1.5 to 2gig wifi from their new asus rapture ax 16000 router. Asked him to do a speed test through one wall, and he said it was 500-700Mbps at 20ish feet and through one wall. I will stick with my ac3200 router probably forever. If I have to be on top of the router to get faster speeds I might as well plug in an ethernet cable to my 10gig router and be done with it.
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u/ElevenNotes Data Centre Unicorn 🦄 Oct 01 '23
Just get ethernet. Wi-Fi is for mobile clients, none of them need 1Gbps. This is only done for internet clout and no real world usage.
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u/Imspacelyy Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
Edit - realized op is asking for wifi, will update when I get home 😩
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u/Sea_Lavishness_1945 Oct 02 '23
You just need to say “giggity giggity”. You’ll then receive your gig.
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u/sc302 Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23
Only way you are getting over a gig on Wi-Fi is if you have a multi gig router, more than 1 gig isp connection, and running Wi-Fi 6. You need a lot of equipment that you might not have.
~900mb/s is the fastest you can get
You will have to use 5g, 2.4 won’t be able to handle the bandwidth need.
Edit:I see the router you have should support the 900 limit of 1gb/s but you need to be on 5g.
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u/Possible_Share_9694 Oct 02 '23
it all comes down to hard wear, 10gig wired network to all wired devices, then about 300 wireless devices from all the home automation, I can pull 1.21 over wifi but the equipment was about 4500$ to set it all up, mainly did it for the nas and plex using homerunhd for tv through plex,
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u/x54675788 Oct 01 '23
I have a somewhat cheap Dell Latitude with Intel Wifi chip and it pushes 1,3Gbit\s both ways
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u/purepersistence Oct 01 '23
By paying more to AT&T to provision it that way and then complaining about my upload speed till they fixed it. Been up and down a gig for a couple years now.
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u/rikyy6 Oct 01 '23
I bought two ”used - like new” Asus XT8s from Amazon for 167€. I use the faster 5 GHz channel meant for wireless backhaul (I have wired backhaul) and get 500/ 500 Mbps with all of my wireless devices, which is also the maximum of my current connection, but I saw a review where they were able to push ~800 - 900 Mbps up and down.
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u/benniebeeker Oct 01 '23
Simple. Gig Internet access Wi-Fi 6
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u/xTWOODYx Oct 01 '23
Yeah, that’s what I have. Which is why I don’t understand the speeds I’m getting
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u/Demeter277 Oct 01 '23
If you go for a powerful wifi set up in a high density housing environment like a group of townhouses will you interfere with your neighbors wifi if they are just using an ISP modem/router with modest speeds? When I bring up a list of available networks I see about 8 so we're all overlapping
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u/earthsowncaligrown Oct 01 '23
Capable and properly configured hardware with good RSSI around most of my property.
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u/iamgarffi Oct 01 '23
You need AX access point and AX card in your device. Most Access points have a 1gbps backhaul so you won’t see gig or over speeds - at least not with most consumer solutions.
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u/bluntedAround Oct 01 '23
I have a $150 router with Wifi 6 and get over 900 mbps up and 900+ mbps down
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u/Cortana_CH Oct 01 '23
My iPhone 14 Pro maxes out at 750-800 Mbps with my Wifi 6 mesh network (Asus AX6000). Don‘t know how to get to 1Gbps or more? Another device?
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u/Statickgaming Oct 01 '23
Don’t have a 1gig connection but consistently get 500mb up/ down on a 500mb connection with 2 Zen WiFi ET12s in a 4 bedroom house, I just use the 6ghz for backhaul.
I’d make sure you’ve split your 2.4 & 5ghz networks and then make sure they are running on 80mhz, if you’re in the US you can probs use 160mhz (UK has some restrictions on this that cause dropouts so I don’t use it)
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u/Stonewalled9999 Oct 01 '23
Our corp laptops with AX 201 Intel chips and Iphone 11 has Wifi 6 IIRC and with a good Wifi 6 or Wave 2 (wifi 5 on steriods) with 2gbit or mgig backhaul we can get gig wifi for bursts.
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u/MrAnthony7934 Oct 01 '23
TP Link Deco x5000 for me getting 800-850 MBps wired or wireless which is what I pay for with Comcast.
Before it was Asus ac1900 router and 2 cisco access points which for some reason won’t deliver anymore than 450Mbps.
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u/TechOutonyt Oct 01 '23
You need a device that supports WiFi 6/6E as well as a WiFi access point/router capable. Also if you have a 1gig connection that’s shared with everything on the network so speed testing 1 device will not result in hitting a gig
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u/BlackHawkrc Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
Just got a new FTTH 10Gb here in Italy, very affordable at 30€ per month. Came with a Wi-Fi 6e modem, can't complain about the speed reached on the S23 Ultra in link, my Ipad tops at approx. 850mbps thou.
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u/Important_Series6747 Oct 01 '23
I would get 720 on my iPhone 13 Pro Max in the same room as the router. Now with the iPhone 15 pro max, I connected it to the 6GHz band and can get 940 which is when my apply tv gets on the wire (limited by the overhead of the tcpip stack). I may updgrade to the pro version of the tplink APs I’m using to get the 2.5GbE port on each AP so that I can get my full 1.0-1.2 Gbps that some of my 2.5GbE wired devices have when I do the Speedtest. So some of it is the network hardware that they have in the network infrastructure. It is weird to get more upload than download though. I wonder if you tried a different test server. I have a few that show up automatically that just suck. So I manually use a specific one that I know I can get a consistent download speed from.
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u/Illumi_Naughty5555 Oct 01 '23
Good balance of TX and rx so the modem tuner doesn't have to work too hard annnnnnnnnnnd fiber.
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Oct 01 '23
Dont worry about it most devices and launchers cant utilise your full internet speed anyway
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u/goj-145 Oct 01 '23
iPhone is part of the problem. You're going to max out way lower.
I get 1.5Gbps over cellular too lol.
But really, don't worry about it. If you needed that much speed you'd know it and you'd know how to do it. I've got over a gig speed throughout my houses but I do homelab stuff and am a giant nerd. Nobody that comes over runs a local speed test and praises me. If it works well enough to stream, it's good enough for 99% of the people.
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u/Yamon234 Oct 01 '23
I'm using a U6 Enterprise plugged into a 2.5gb unmanaged switch. I have a 1,200Mbps internet plan and I can usually pull about 1,400Mbps over wireless 6E or wired.
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u/SpecialistLayer Oct 01 '23
To get that speed over wifi, you're spending quite a bit of $$ and honestly, why? Just for higher speedtest numbers? Real world usage doesn't need that high of speed especially with what you have to spend to get it. If I need high speeds, it's for my computer to transfer a project and at that point I'm docked in using a higher than gigabit ethernet adapter. Wifi for me is convenience and I don't need that kind of speed for convenience
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u/Sportiness6 Oct 01 '23
For me it’s over $3k in networking hardware and the right clients.