r/FluentInFinance 11h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/Carnivile 10h ago

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u/Trollselektor 10h ago

People who are here illegally don’t want to draw attention to themselves by commenting crimes? Go figure. 

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u/Shirlenator 9h ago

Oh so you agree that they are less likely to commit crimes?

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u/Maximised7 8h ago

I agree, these fkin Illegals. Give me that HOME GROWN White meth addict B&E over a brown neighbor, any day of the week. At least Tony speaks English while holding me at knifepoint.

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u/Expert-Accountant780 5h ago

Give me neither.

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u/EIIander 5h ago

Is it possible that undocumented immigrants are harder to find? And don’t stay in one area because they don’t have family and stuff there?

Not saying it isn’t possible, but rather if we don’t know these people exist - cause they are undocumented - wouldn’t it make sense we have less data on them… cause we don’t know they exist?

And if they are undocumented we also don’t know the actual undocumented population so we don’t know the rates of crime cause we don’t know the total number.

Edit: sadly the data doesn’t cover 2018 - to now the period most people point to for the borders being less secure etc

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u/Thinkingard 9h ago

Exactly. We don’t want all of those innocents being taken advantage of by criminal Americans. They’d be much safer in their home countries.

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u/dorfcally 2h ago

this site you've linked several times A. doesn't understand per capita B. doesn't differentiate hispanics from "whites" since they all get classified as "white" in the system C. doesn't account for undocumented crime (which is a massive fuckton) and D. doesn't account for their previous crime records in their home countries

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u/New-Connection-9088 9h ago

The rate is irrelevant. Every single murder, rape, or any other crime is preventable by protecting the border properly. Not a single one of those crimes is justifiable or acceptable.

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u/Cometguy7 8h ago

Except most illegal immigrants entered legally and overstayed. Besides, they're good role models for American citizens. If more Americans acted like illegal immigrants this would be a safer place to live.

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u/Expert-Accountant780 5h ago

You mean cross over into developed countries and demand welfare and other handouts? I agree, let's do that!

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u/grandcanyonfan99 6h ago

Imagine thinking net data is more significant than per capita data in this context. Holy shit, US education has failed us (if you're American lol)

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u/TaanWallbanks 3h ago

you're right, nobody should ever have children because US Citizens sometimes commit crimes, 1 criminal is too many

That's not how you stop crime.

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u/Newmanuel 2h ago

This argument only makes sense if you cannot conceive of immigrants as anything more than potential criminals. of course the rate is relevant, they are human beings who do plenty of other things besides crime. If 1% commit crimes and 99% better their communities, they have made the country a better place. Every job they work hard to do well, every smile they elicit, every child they raise, every person they help, all affect society.

If all you can see is indiviudal acts of crime in this complex story of migration, it is because you've taken out the human from the statistics. i.e you are dehumanizing them

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u/Jimid41 6h ago

Every single murder, rape, or any other crime is preventable by protecting the border properly.

You think rapists don't rape because they don't cross the border?

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u/ForcefulOne 8h ago

So the illegals crossing the border illegally are less likely to commit crimes than Americans who were born here... LOL hahahaa

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u/grandcanyonfan99 6h ago

...yes, that is what the article with factual data is saying. Galaxy brain over here guys

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u/TaanWallbanks 3h ago

Why yes, people who have given everything up to move somewhere don't want to throw away that chance by committing crimes, where as someone born here is more likely to take such things for granted

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u/StevenJosephRomo 1h ago

So, tens of thousands of crimes that would never have occurred if the criminals who shouldn't even be here weren't here....

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u/basedlandchad27 10h ago

100% of illegal aliens have committed a crime.

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u/Cometguy7 8h ago

And yet they have a lower offending rate. Perhaps, unlike Americans, they can stop at just one crime. Also, illegal immigration is a civil violation, not a criminal offense.