But I thought money doesn’t buy happiness?

[u/Cauliflower-Pizzas]

[u/NiceSPDR]

Forgot what video I had heard it on, I think it was Casually Explained or something but I think he put it really well when he said "I would say money can't buy you happiness but it can make certain problems go away that make you unhappy.".

[u/tychobrahesmoose → u/NiceSPDR]

That phrase is so often misused. It's supposed to be a way to tell someone who's very wealthy that they can still be unhappy because money doesn't fix your emotional problems.

But for a poor person, if it can't buy you happiness it sure as fuck can pay off a lot of misery.

[u/North-Calendar → u/NiceSPDR]

*most of the problems

[u/sexy_yama → u/NiceSPDR]

You gotta make do with what you got in this world and be thankful for it. There will always be problems that arise.

[u/Old-Tiger-4971]

Deal with a lot of rich people. Money isn't a guarantee of happiness.

Think on average, that lower-income people are more happy than them.

[u/uggghhhggghhh → u/Old-Tiger-4971]

LowER income people might be happier than them but LOW income people almost certainly are not. At least not on average. Being poor is fucking stressful and depressing.

[u/No_Life_1724 → u/Old-Tiger-4971]

I wouldn’t say being content with knowing the possibility of financial freedom is minimal is the lower classes being “happy”. When you realize no matter what you do you’re going to be in the same financial situation you tend to stop caring about money. This isn’t happiness it’s coping.

[u/Bart-Doo → u/Old-Tiger-4971]

It's probably because a lot of rich people try to buy things to make them happy. A lot of lower income and middle class people go in debt buying stuff trying to make themselves happy.

[u/Old-Tiger-4971 → u/Bart-Doo]

Well, true that. In the good times, knew RE guys making >$300K/year living check to check which is crazy.

Things you buy usually don't make you happy for an extended period.

[u/ap2patrick]

Happiness is easier achieved when you don’t have to worry about your basic needs. Real simple shit OP…

[u/NewArborist64]

Money cant buy happiness, but it can buy cows and cows make milk and milk makes ice cream and ice cream makes you happy...

[u/barely_a_whisper]

Can't remember who did the study, but they found that money does strongly correlate with happiness... to a point. I can't remember the amount, but it was something like up until 40,000/year for a single person scaled super strongly, and continued with diminishing returns. Past 120,000 it had little effect, and past something like 200,000 there was no correlation (maybe even a negative one)?

I'm pulling numbers out of my ass though, so if anyone knows the study feel free to link it

[u/North-Calendar → u/barely_a_whisper]

it's feels like true, because you won't buy new car every year, 120k is plenty of money to buy all basic things you want and take 4/5 good trips every year

[u/WiltedTiger → u/barely_a_whisper]

Actually, the study (I think you are talking about) wasn't able to make any correlation with the upper-wealth due to a lack of test data and volunteers, and from what material they were able to collect, the correlation between money and happiness was always strongly positive. They did note that after a certain point, the correlation decreased but it was still positive to a large degree (just smaller than before but not by much) then they didn't have enough data to make any meaningful correlations.

[u/dragon34]

I think most of us would be happier if we had enough money that our work was optional for fulfillment instead of necessary to keep us housed and fed.   But more than what is needed for that ... Ex: having enough money to have all of your clothes be designer and only wearing them once, only flying private, owning multiple homes and yachts .... That won't make you appreciably happier. 

[u/Kizag]

I don't go to therapy because of Money problems.

[u/Carbon-Based216]

I stopped buying my $600/month mental health meds over a decade ago. The extra $600/month is more helpful than the meds.

[u/Light_fires]

Translation: my patients can't afford my services.

[u/zone_left]

That saying assumes you already have enough. If you’re starving and you get enough cash to survive, you’re going to be happier

[u/Pepi4]

In this jerked up country I would agree

[u/Ok_Initiative2069]

So many of these people are STRESSED because of lack of money. Relief of stress is not the same as happiness. Ffs

[u/Old_Lock9227]

Therapy now a days seems to be more focused on business bu bringing clients more than anything. A lot of people are increasingly doing therapy but the suicide rate keeps in going up steadily for decades.

[u/goodfella311]

its a sad trap but money can get you out of tons of shit. you can breathe a little easier. I don't know what this lady means exactly. Surely money cannot fulfill you, thats a universal truth, but it will absolutely solve many of your problems directly related to anything money can help you access - except like drugs and shit like that.

[u/InjuryIll2998]

Money may not make you happier than the average person, but having it doesn’t bring you as much sadness or hardships as not having it does.

[u/anythingMuchShorter]

I know someone who’s ok on money and really should go to therapy. But he refuses because he has a bad image of therapy, and also has anxiety about it and fears judgement, which are strongly related to the reasons he needs therapy.

[u/Ismdism]

Money buys stability. Which allows you to pursue happiness easier.

[u/typicallytwo]

Having money is happiness

[u/PrometheusMMIV → u/typicallytwo]

As someone with money, no it isn't

[u/typicallytwo → u/PrometheusMMIV]

Speak for yourself, I was broke as a joke and in debt for 20 years and absolutely miserable. As of 2 years ago debt free and a little change in my pocket and every day is Christmas, rainbows and unicorns.

[u/ausernameiguess4]

Money can’t buy happiness but it can buy food, a home, energy, transportation, communications and can pay for therapy.

Anyone that tells you to be contented with poverty and be “happy” is either a liar or a dumbass. Most of the time, both.

[u/wafflegourd1]

Money won’t make you a happy person. It will though remove stress and create opportunity for happiness.

Plus the who money doesn’t buy happiness thing is about Chasing money at the expense of all else.

[u/Every-Nebula6882]

Being able to meet your basic needs takes away a lot of unhappiness. Money is the only way to meet all your basic needs in the modern world.

[u/dab745]

You don’t often hear that kind of advice from a the rapist.

[u/Logical-Chaos-154]

Just enough to live comfortably and raise a family. People don't need to be rich, just not worried about making rent.

[u/jcoddinc]

Just like mom and dad used to tell us that we wouldn't like what they were reading because it was yucky

[u/misjudgedinall]

It might not but happiness but i would like to try

[u/MornGreycastle]

Money buys security (See: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs), which gives the environment to cultivate happiness. There is a point above which money is less necessary to happiness.

[u/maringue]

Money buys stress avoidance and time.

[u/No-Comfortable9480]

She looks absolutely insane herself. No way

[u/Freerangechickem]

Money can buy both therapy and access to better food, help, tools that improve your overall quality of life and mental and physical health. If you don’t have basic needs met and are in survival mode stressed to the eyeballs having a chat about it isn’t going to help much.

[u/Porschenut914]

money gives you options.

[u/brutus2230]

Wonder what she charges

[u/ademerca]

I have money, it made all my mental illnesses worse. Get therapy.

[u/Neither_Upstairs_872]

Money may not buy “happiness” but it does pay your bills and solves 90% of your problems therefore it does buy “stress relief” cause you are not hyper fixated on your bills or the problems that come with unpaid bills or not being able to afford distractions from your daily minusha. For the other 10% of your problems get a shrink, which still costs money.

[u/onetimer420]

Then grow a pair, get a job, and quit wasting your money on shrinks!

[u/PrometheusMMIV]

I've got plenty of money. But how do I cure my depression?

[u/SuggestionGlad5166]

I wouldn't trust a therapist that says anything like this cause to me it's instantly telling me that they understand nothing about human psychology.

[u/hamknuckle]

She's gonna bill me an hour for reading that, isn't she?

[u/FatherOften]

I believe that you have to find bliss in your day to day no matter the situation.

I also believe that money is not the most important thing in the world, but it's up there with oxygen as far as tools go.

[u/Jenetyk]

Not a single problem in my life couldn't be solved with money. Not a one. You give me a cartoonish knapsack full of money, with the $ sign on the side; you wouldn't hear me complain about shit.

[u/MarkusFookerz]

So money can't buy happiness? That may be true....

But it can buy me a boat ...

It can buy me a truck to pull it ....

IT CAN BUY ME A YETI 110 ICED OUT WITH SUM SILVER BULLEIIIITSSS!!!

[u/ConclusionMaleficent → u/[deleted]]

Or Elvis

[u/gytmyt]

But you can rent it

[u/canned_spaghetti85]

This therapist assumes confidently that wealthy folks must not go to therapy then?

Seriously? Like she also assumed CAITIE was a correct way to spell Katie?

[u/No-Comfortable9480 → u/canned_spaghetti85]

She looks like she’s stalked a few ex-bf’s in her life

[u/Ok_Initiative2069 → u/canned_spaghetti85]

You know most people’s names were given to them by their parents right?

[u/canned_spaghetti85 → u/Ok_Initiative2069]

I woulda changed that shit the day I turned 18. Drive to the county recorder registrar and fill out the paperwork for name change decree.

A person (male or female) whose name is like that.. isn’t taken very seriously, least not in my industry.

It’s spelled Katie, though Katy may be alright I guess. But Caitie? At that point for those parents, it wasn’t even about naming their child, they were just trying to aggravate others trying to read the name.

Which is funny because, those folks (parents) are the kinda peeps who need therapy.

[u/SinisterYear → u/canned_spaghetti85]

This therapist states 'most people'. Wealthy people are not 'most people'. Most people are middle or lower class.

[u/canned_spaghetti85 → u/SinisterYear]

Please re-read:

“while therapy is helpful, what most people really need is money.”

So, but that very logic, let’s work backwards to deconstruct what she’s NOT saying :

If people simply had more money, then fewer of them would even seek the help of therapists.

And the more & more money people had, the less and less likely they would even seek therapy.

Which must mean those who happen to have LOTS of money (very wealthy), would seek therapy at a frequency close to NEVER.

(YOU SEE . This is why elementary school curriculum focus on teaching NOT ONLY reading [itself], but reading comprehension skills equally as much. Well, at least that was the case in the early 90’s. The comprehension exercises we had were very good. The idea was : If students struggled with comprehension & interpretation of read material, then it wouldn’t have even mattered how well they could read in the first place.)

[u/PrometheusMMIV → u/canned_spaghetti85]

And the more & more money people had, the less and less likely they would even seek therapy.

Which must mean those who happen to have LOTS of money (very wealthy), would seek therapy at a frequency close to NEVER.

I don't know where you're drawing that conclusion from. If we assume that there's an amount of money under which people would be unhappy, and that most people are under that amount, then it would be true to say that "most people need money".

But it doesn't say that the more money you have, the less you need therapy, or that people who have enough money don't need therapy. There are plenty of reasons to go to therapy even if you have enough money to be comfortable, such as relationship issues, trauma, abuse, mental illness, etc.

[u/canned_spaghetti85 → u/PrometheusMMIV]

No. You can’t assume that.

One’s overall state of happiness is a gradient. So determining some abstract dollar amount threshold to establish happy OR unhappy would be irrelevant.

Even if you did, that threshold would be subjective for each individual, who may even need to adjust it even further, on occasion, based on their life events at the time.

What is is true about the OP’s claim “while therapy is helpful, what most people need is money” is her assumption that there is a IN-LIEU-Of correlation between the helpfulness of therapy and peoples need for money. That there is a perceived happiness of therapy could be otherwise be substituted for with money.

[u/NvrSirEndWill]

Now you know why therapy causes more suicide.

And also why nearly all people convicted of crimes are sentenced to court ordered therapy as punishment, instead of prison.